Thoughts about death.

[Ninja Pirate]

Chickens and Humans: What's the Difference?

Well sure, the chicken is gone but I don't really think it's appropriate to compare humans to other animals for the reason that we are so incredibly different from all other species. I think it would make our existence utterly pointless and foolish if we are destined for the same end as a chicken.

I think that's ridiculous. Speaking from a scientific viewpoint, we are supposed to have come from whatever apes came from. We are data. Speaking religiously, though, humans are supposedly superior to other forms of life. >.> If you believe that, then a chicken is a pathetic tool, while we are the sons of god, right? We're BETTER. Look, the only reason we're better is pure chance. We just so happened to evolve to be better, and so we now dominate. We are no better than that chicken. We are stronger and smarter, but there is just the same possibility that chickens evolved to speak and become philosophers and such. We are better, only because we WERE luckier.

I like to think there are things in the world that simply cannot be explained, and that's reason enough not to believe in them. Possibly I will be reborn as bacteria with, of course, no knowledge of my former being. I don't know, but I can say this: The Matrix may as well be true.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I think that's ridiculous. Speaking from a scientific viewpoint, we are supposed to have come from whatever apes came from. We are data. Speaking religiously, though, humans are supposedly superior to other forms of life. >.> If you believe that, then a chicken is a pathetic tool, while we are the sons of god, right? We're BETTER. Look, the only reason we're better is pure chance. We just so happened to evolve to be better, and so we now dominate. We are no better than that chicken. We are stronger and smarter, but there is just the same possibility that chickens evolved to speak and become philosophers and such. We are better, only because we WERE luckier.

I like to think there are things in the world that simply cannot be explained, and that's reason enough not to believe in them. Possibly I will be reborn as bacteria with, of course, no knowledge of my former being. I don't know, but I can say this: The Matrix may as well be true.

I didn't know nonsensical catch phrases were scientific, must less amassed to become a scientific viewpoint. Comparing human DNA, enzymes, and protein sequences to data is an example of a crude analogy. It is not scientific, but a learning device to help you comprehend actual body processes.

A is B which is like C is entirely different from A is C. Example) We are supposed to inherit DNA which is like data transfer. VS We are supposed to be data.

 

[Mr.Freeman]

Meh, I just don't wanna die at an early age and try to make something of my life.

 

[mountain_tiger]

In a way, the fact that death exists can be considered comforting.

I mean, if you were made to live forever, then it would be impossible to escape from any irreversibly bad circumstances; you'd simply have to live through them. But since all organic matter has to decay, that means that if things go on a downwards spiral, then you have the last resort solution of suicide in order to escape.

Well, that's how I see it anyway. I imagine some of you will disagree.

 

[*JuriHan*]

Death? I don't fear it.

Revelation 21:4

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away"

 

[Ninja Pirate]

Um...What?

I didn't know nonsensical catch phrases were scientific, must less amassed to become a scientific viewpoint. Comparing human DNA, enzymes, and protein sequences to data is an example of a crude analogy. It is not scientific, but a learning device to help you comprehend actual body processes.

A is B which is like C is entirely different from A is C. Example) We are supposed to inherit DNA which is like data transfer. VS We are supposed to be data.

How does that relate at all to what I said? All I said was that the notion that humans are in themselves superior to chickens is ridiculous, and I admitted the possibility of something like a god; something that can't be explained. So, I'm lost as to what you said. Was that the goal, here? Please help a pre-teen understand. I'm being more philosophic than scientific, by the way.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I in no way intended this to end up in a religious debate, I also discourage it.

On another note, I feel disappointing of the fact that the members of SWF have to result in making new user accounts in order to get their point across. I wanted this to be an open discussion and hoped that no pressure would be on the posters, that they can voice their opinions without being afraid of their reputation being tarnished.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Religion has a significant influence on how we define and perceive death today. I believe that Morrie was religious or at least mentions religion in the book.

Also I'm not a mult account if the reference was made to me.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Just to say, most debates that end up about Religion become argumentum ad infinitum. Non-believers and Believers will argue non-stop over the existence of God. There is no way to prove that God exists, however, the ones that aim to prove that he doesn't exist end up relating to the Big Bang and scientific hypotheses, of which have not been fully proven and are merely human concepts.

But alas, humans will continue.


Wait, someone's going to point something out in my post that's apparently wrong and then they're going to waste time making a tl;dr post about how I'm wrong. Durrr. That's what has happened previously.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Just to say, most debates that end up about Religion become argumentum ad infinitum. Non-believers and Believers will argue non-stop over the existence of God. There is no way to prove that God exists, however, the ones that aim to prove that he doesn't exist end up relating to the Big Bang and scientific hypotheses, of which have not been fully proven and are merely human concepts. But alas, humans will continue.

I know that in Kentucky there is a Creation Museum that attempts to scientifically explain Biblical references. How successful it is, well, that's another question entirely. But at least they are trying to find scientific reference to document the Holy Scripture. As per history of Christianity it primarily survived by absorbing pagan religions. In a perverted sense, perhaps science is the pagan "religion" that Christianity cannot completely absorb into it's teachings.

In Genesis chapter 1 verse 20 it explains that the first living creatures were sea creatures. Many scientific theories suggest that most organisms evolved from ancient sea creatures due to the lack of an ozone layer to protect animals from UV light. Therefore water was used to deflect UV rays. There are many other references in the Koran and other religious documents that show incredible amount of insight if people honestly approached it with an open mind. Then again this could also be me cherry picking certain facts that fit in line with science. I just think it's cool though when literature connects.

 

[mountain_tiger]

Regardless of whether or not you're religious, death shouldn't be feared.

If god does exist, most religions involve some sort of heaven/nirvana etc., and thus you'll spend forever in eternal bliss. If these religions are correct and a benevolent god exists, then everyone would be reconciled into heaven because said god loves people and wants them to be happen.

On the other hand, if god doesn't exist, nothing bad happens, since you can't feel or see or hear or think anything. Atheists tend to fear death more than theists, since there's that small niggling doubt that if they're wrong, they'll go to hell (which IMO would be completely contrary to the idea of a loving god but w/e)

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I in no way intended this to end up in a religious debate, I also discourage it.

On another note, I feel disappointing of the fact that the members of SWF have to result in making new user accounts in order to get their point across. I wanted this to be an open discussion and hoped that no pressure would be on the posters, that they can voice their opinions without being afraid of their reputation being tarnished.

Holy Hypocrisy Batman! The Double-Standard At It's Finest!

Wait, someone's going to point something out in my post that's apparently wrong and then they're going to waste time making a tl;dr post about how I'm wrong. Durrr. That's what has happened previously.

Ignorance Is Bliss!

Hey look snarky kid who clearly wants to be a sarcastic asswipe by dishing out 1:1 personal drama in unrelated threads. If you're going to cry like a little *****, you're more than welcome to make a new blog about how horrible of a person I am for expecting you to read my posts. Especially when you had the gall to criticize SOMETHING YOU DID NOT READ. DURRR?

I don't know how many times you want me to enumerate this but I am so sorry that you are so stupid. Maybe if you got a proper education you would be able to read other people's opinions besides people who completely agree with you in less than 500 words. If you want to discuss your inability to read well-thought out posts, you can personally message me. But I doubt that you will follow my advice as you have so clearly demonstrated that you pretty much have not developed a theory of mind that most homosapiens have had since we were cro-magnons.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I said I discourage it because religion is a sensitive subject and threads are ussually closed due to posters over-reacting and then result to flaming/trolling.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

I said I discourage it because religion is a sensitive subject and threads are ussually closed due to posters over-reacting and then result to flaming/trolling.

This. Oh the internet...

Stupity is eternal.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

Regardless of whether or not you're religious, death shouldn't be feared.

If god does exist, most religions involve some sort of heaven/nirvana etc., and thus you'll spend forever in eternal bliss. If these religions are correct and a benevolent god exists, then everyone would be reconciled into heaven because said god loves people and wants them to be happen.

On the other hand, if god doesn't exist, nothing bad happens, since you can't feel or see or hear or think anything. Atheists tend to fear death more than theists, since there's that small niggling doubt that if they're wrong, they'll go to hell (which IMO would be completely contrary to the idea of a loving god but w/e)

What do you mean? If a person hates or purposely completely ignores you I wouldn't say you HAVE to love them or you can't be a loving person...but maybe that's just me. Why should God love everybody? Especially people who don't give a crap or are even blatently go against him? I guess God can't have common sense. lol <.<;

At the person that said Christiantity assimilates pagan cultures and religions, most of that nonsense was undertaken byt the roman catholic faith. Which just about every denomination aside from that one does not consider as part of the Christian faith. >.>;

I'm going to regret writing this I just know it..

 

[mountain_tiger]

What do you mean? If a person hates or purposely completely ignores you I wouldn't say you HAVE to love them or you can't be a loving person...but maybe that's just me. Why should God love everybody? Especially people who don't give a crap or are even blatently go against him? I guess God can't have common sense. lol <.<;

I'm not sure how it works in Sikhism, Hinduism, Islam etc., but God as portrayed in Christianity is allegedly omnibenevolent. This would mean that God holds an unlimited amount of unconditional love for all creatures, regardless of what bad things the may have done or are doing.

If you loved someone unconditionally, you'd want them to go to heaven (eternal bliss) rather than hell (eternal torture). Thus, if God is real, death is something to look forward to rather than to fear. If he isn't real... then nothing good happens, but nothing bad happens either.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

I'm not sure how it works in Sikhism, Hinduism, Islam etc., but God as portrayed in Christianity is allegedly omnibenevolent. This would mean that God holds an unlimited amount of unconditional love for all creatures, regardless of what bad things the may have done or are doing.

If you loved someone unconditionally, you'd want them to go to heaven (eternal bliss) rather than hell (eternal torture). Thus, if God is real, death is something to look forward to rather than to fear. If he isn't real... then nothing good happens, but nothing bad happens either.

Um no he's not. This really is hard to debate because Christianity is the most screwed up religion in terms of unity.

Your first first paragraph is conditionally false. It depends on what part of christianity you're looking at.
I don't believe He is. It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that he loves everyone. It doesn't say He died for everyone it says He died for His people. You don't think He's taking Satan and all his angels back too..do you? lol

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Holy Hypocrisy Batman! The Double-Standard At It's Finest!



Ignorance Is Bliss!

Hey look snarky kid who clearly wants to be a sarcastic asswipe by dishing out 1:1 personal drama in unrelated threads. If you're going to cry like a little *****, you're more than welcome to make a new blog about how horrible of a person I am for expecting you to read my posts. Especially when you had the gall to criticize SOMETHING YOU DID NOT READ. DURRR?

I don't know how many times you want me to enumerate this but I am so sorry that you are so stupid. Maybe if you got a proper education you would be able to read other people's opinions besides people who completely agree with you in less than 500 words. If you want to discuss your inability to read well-thought out posts, you can personally message me. But I doubt that you will follow my advice as you have so clearly demonstrated that you pretty much have not developed a theory of mind that most homosapiens have had since we were cro-magnons.

My first successful attempt. I are success.

Wow, calling me names really show you have an education, am I correct?

 

[Fatmanonice]

I think fear of death largely stems from people's own egos. In a sense, they have a hard time imagining reality without themselves in it. "How will people go on if I'm not there?" It's a selfish view all in all and I think it largely neglects the capabilities and coping skills that other people have. It's attaching an enormous amount of signifance to your own life simply because you're alive without realising the ultimate irony that your uniqueness stems from your mind which is in turn basically a giant patch work of thoughts and ideas inspired by the people you interacted with (whether through media or in real life) through life. In the grand scheme of time and space, we are nothing and I don't think you really "grow up" as a person until you've reached this conclusion.

 

[rhan]

I'm not afraid of death of myself. But now I realise that I'm afraid.... of how death impacts others connected to the deceased....

 

[mountain_tiger]

Um no he's not. This really is hard to debate because Christianity is the most screwed up religion in terms of unity.

Your first first paragraph is conditionally false. It depends on what part of christianity you're looking at.
I don't believe He is. It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that he loves everyone. It doesn't say He died for everyone it says He died for His people. You don't think He's taking Satan and all his angels back too..do you? lol

I'm not a Christian myself, but I'm pretty sure that one of its fundamental aspects is that of 'unlimited forgiveness'. This means that God would always forgive people for their sins, including Satan and his angels. He also supposedly made a perfect world, which was corrupted by humans sinning (or something like that). Why would he make a perfect world for creatures that he did not love? To quote 1 John 4:8 -

Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

 

[ranmaru]

Its hard for me to imagine a Heaven or Hell, because I do not really know if it really is there. I am catholic, but I haven't been to church for a while. Either way, once I die, I don't know what will happen. Will I be swimming in a lake of nothingness? Buried under emptyness? Will I be able to move on? Or will I just be nothing and... just POOF.

Death is one of the things you probaly shouldn't think of deeply, and try to live life to the fullest. I live in the NOW, because naturally one should think of how to go by in the present. Not all have the chance to plan out the future and have it follow exactly how you planned.

Death is scary, but you must simply accept it. (I don't know why, but you must) I do not want to die, because there are many things I have not done, that I want to do. But it can happen. Even if you do plan the future, you cannot avoid accidents, mistakes, etc. Surprise! Someone just hit your car! So you should try to live in the present, and plan the future at the same time. Maybe. Maybe I'm just spewwing nonsense in every direction, so be it.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

I'm not a Christian myself, but I'm pretty sure that one of its fundamental aspects is that of 'unlimited forgiveness'. This means that God would always forgive people for their sins, including Satan and his angels. He also supposedly made a perfect world, which was corrupted by humans sinning (or something like that). Why would he make a perfect world for creatures that he did not love? To quote 1 John 4:8 -

It also says "Ask and you shall recieve" You don't ask for it then you're not getting it. How can you argue something if you don't know? =/

 

[Falconv1.0]

I wish I could be christian sometimes, I really do, because they have certainty about what's going to happen, non religious folk like me do not get that peace of mind.

 

[dashdancedan]

I wish I could be christian sometimes, I really do, because they have certainty about what's going to happen, non religious folk like me do not get that piece of mind.

Not all religious folk are certain about what happens after doubt. That's what they choose to believe...but... Alternately, non religious folk (speaking from my point of view) live trying to make the most of their life, and are not as concerned with what happens after death. Of course, there are a good number of people who are bothered by the idea that they don't know what happens after death...but that's not me. I'm going to live my life and learn as much as I can, and then look back and say I spent my time wisely. Maybe on my deathbed, will I consider what happens after I die.

Don't worry about what happens when you die, worry about what's happening as you live. (just my 2 cents to someone who isn't religious)

And to say that either actually getting peace of mind is a very presumptuous and dare I say ignorant statement. I'd suggest for you to reconsider posting before you sum up the thoughts and troubles of billions of people.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Their books tells them pretty much every freaking detail you'd really need to know related to death, I don't claim to know all their thoughts, but I do claim that I know that if they believe in what they preach, they believe they'll be going to Heaven because they were good people and everything up there is super awesome to the max.

 

[§witch]

I'm pretty much content in thinking that after we die there's nothing at all.

 

[highfive]

I wish I could be christian sometimes, I really do, because they have certainty about what's going to happen, non religious folk like me do not get that peace of mind.

Watch Discovery Channel. All will be revealed.

 

[Mardyke]

My attitude to death has changed in recent months. I see it as an end, but in a different perspective - someone's death does not mean 'They cannot live any more, I will never see them again', it now means 'They have lived, and may they be proud of what they have done, I am honoured to have met them'.

I just hope that death is faced without regrets, for that is a luxury worth striving for.

 

[bleyva]

death seems pretty sweet when youre a 21 year old whos life consists of little more than playing brawl and ****ing with legos all day.

THE SUNLIGHT, IT BURNS

 

[Kmar]

I think the fear of death is most fundamentally tied to the anxiety associated with the unknown. We cannot easily imagine what it must be like to have no thoughts, because in doing so we are thinking.

Also, human rationality requires an ordering to time that has no ends. This is why we have trouble conceptualizing the Big Bang Theory because we may be thinking, "and what happened before that?" I think that we cannot easily rationalize the idea of a permanent end (death) for the same reason.

On a side note, I personally believe that it's irrational to consider what happens to me after death, because after death this "me" to which I am referring would no longer exist. It doesn't even make sense to say "nothing happens to me" because there is no "me" in the first place.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

I think the fear of death is most fundamentally tied to the anxiety associated with the unknown. We cannot easily imagine what it must be like to have no thoughts, because in doing so we are thinking.

Also, human rationality requires an ordering to time that has no ends. This is why we have trouble conceptualizing the Big Bang Theory because we may be thinking, "and what happened before that?" I think that we cannot easily rationalize the idea of a permanent end (death) for the same reason.

On a side note, I personally believe that it's irrational to consider what happens to me after death, because after death this "me" to which I am referring would no longer exist. It doesn't even make sense to say "nothing happens to me" because there is no "me" in the first place.

*Restrains from posting religion stuff*

Good point, like ur avatar btw

 

[Kmar]

Haha, thanks. I'm really amused by Nintendo characters + the grotesque.

 

[Heartz♥]

People die when they are killed. That's a part of a life, and we only have one. Which is exactly why we must make the most of it, and possibly leave a mark in the world. Sephiroth says: "I will never be a memory". He meant that is not only what he wanted to be when he died.


This is what makes life so precious, so of course people will fight to salvage their own and their loved ones. Everyone is afraid of dying, but living the life that you have keeps our mind off of it. So it keeps us balanced to prevent us from being paranoid all the time.

 

[GreenKirby]

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I've had a few things on my mind lately and some of them spark from reading the novel Tuesdays with Morrie. If you would allow me I would like to ask SWF about death.

People die everyday, and we hear about it all the time. If these are true why are we so scared of dieing ourselves?

Why is it so hard to handle the death of others?

We will all die someday and it might even be today. Are we prepared for that?

Compare to how many times you hear about people dying a slow, painful or tragic death compared to a peaceful death.

That's why.

 

[Professor :3]

People die when they are killed.

No ****...

 

[Espy Rose]

I'm not going to say that I'm afraid of death, because I honestly feel like I'm not.
However, I AM afraid of being murdered, or violently dying.

Is there any point to where being afraid of death, and being afraid of being murdered/violently killed are synonymous?

 

[Sucumbio]

Is there any point to where being afraid of death, and being afraid of being murdered/violently killed are synonymous?

The victims of 9/11 say hi.

Actually, just about anyone that is suddenly faced with the realization that they'll be dead soon, and that the death itself will be violent and/or technically their murder, could feel simultaneously afraid to die, and afraid of the circumstances under which they perish.

 

[Espy Rose]

Okay, it makes sense in the way that you put it.

What are your thoughts on the possibility of such an occurrence, that is, the simultaneous fear of death and circumstances of, being anything but sudden?

 

[jivegamer]

What do I need to prepare for? When I'm dead I'll have absolutely no more worries anyways. After I die I'll have no time at all for regrets since my consciousness will be gone, so there's no point in worrying.

This is why I think of death as a relief sometimes. No more garbage or suffering to take. Just an eternity of blissful non-cognizance. The problem, and my fear, isn't in being dead, it's in dying. There's just...no good way to die and it's so scary to think of it. I also want my relatives to be okay too so...it's just hard to think about. I think that I hold on to agnosticism as a way of thinking life is grander than it is: Maybe there's something more to it...but probably not