Those 16 Dummy slots, do you think they're getting filled?

[EricTheGamerman]

I'm not counting on another full 10 characters post Fighter's Pass, but I do think we'll get at least another 5, and after that it comes down to just how much further Sakurai wants to keep going and if Nintendo is still giving him the proper budget to do it.

But I really, really hope we get another 10 fighters by the end of Ultimate's life cycle.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I actually think his KoF XIV red jacket is slightly more likely because of the hat being there, plus the fact that it's a more recent redesign... but you never know, some alts have slightly different animations, so I can definitely see him getting an alt either way.

Well Garou: Mark of the Wolves is a fan favorite so I could see them using that version fo Terry with a slightly different voice.
Hopefully more different than Ike's

 

[toonito]

Last I heard, one was filled by Piranha Plant. And one by each character since.


1. Piranha plant
2. Joker
3. Hero
4. Banjo and Kazooie
5. Terry
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Could be less but I think this is the max amount of characters we'll see for Ultimate. I'd be surprised if we got 90 characters let alone 100.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

After today's Sakurai column? I feel like we're getting a good amount still. Not sure exactly HOW many, but a good number.

 

[Pallex]

Sakurai be like "**** it! Let's go straight to 100."

Then add Wonder Red from Wonderful 101 as the 101 character.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I see.
I'm almost certain Terry's going to get an alt based off his leather jacket design so that's another one down if so.

I think it's more likely we could get female Terry as a alt.

 

[Firox]

On the topic of echoes, I think Sans is a decent indication that Sakurai would sooner make Mii costumes than make echoes for DLC.

 

[ramon_zer0]

Only thing I'll say about getting 2 more full seasons of content (which in turns means Smash Ultimate is gonna be supported for about 2022, so roughly 3-4 years) is that while it sounds appealing and has the evidence to back it up, it's still worth it to err on the side of caution lest disappointment becomes the prevailing feeling next year if Sakurai decides that the next two fighters post-Pass are how they end it.

Hopefully, Nintendo can keep a lid on characters and such because compared to other fighting games and even Smash 4 before it, this class of newcomers got really unlucky with reveals:

Spoiler

• : Safe.
• : Part of the accurate 4chan leak from E3 2018.
• : Was also part of the 4chan E3 leak, and supported by Vergeben.
• : Leaked by Vergeben, and the Galaga Medley was accidentally renamed "Bloody Tears / Monster Dance" the day before his reveal.
• : Safe.
• : Safe.
• : Safe.
• : Safe, although IIRC there were some Loz18 rumors around him at the time.
• : Leaked by Vergeben.
• : Leaked by Vergeben. Also, this.
• : Leaked by Vergeben.
• : Safe, although I recall some stuff about how he was "leaked" beforehand; wouldn't have guessed it based on the reactions to nearly everyone who watched that Direct.
• : Safe. Thank God.
• : Aside from the 5channel stuff that accurately predicted Granblue Fantasy VS (reminder that it didn't actually end up being completely true), the biggest leak towards them was the "Yuusha" name found alongside Plant/"Packun" and Joker/"Jack".
• : Leaked by a ResetERA inside with a proven record.
• Terry: SNK copyright confirmed the company's presence, Vergeben and Sabi helped confirmed the character.

 

[StormC]

After today's Sakurai column? I feel like we're getting a good amount still. Not sure exactly HOW many, but a good number.

Yeah, I agree after reading the column. I think there is a reasonable chance all slots get filled. Even with unique newcomers.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Only thing I'll say about getting 2 more full seasons of content (which in turns means Smash Ultimate is gonna be supported for about 2022, so roughly 3-4 years) is that while it sounds appealing and has the evidence to back it up, it's still worth it to err on the side of caution lest disappointment becomes the prevailing feeling next year if Sakurai decides that the next two fighters post-Pass are how they end it.

Hopefully, Nintendo can keep a lid on characters and such because compared to other fighting games and even Smash 4 before it, this class of newcomers got really unlucky with reveals:

Spoiler

• : Safe.
• : Part of the accurate 4chan leak from E3 2018.
• : Was also part of the 4chan E3 leak, and supported by Vergeben.
• : Leaked by Vergeben, and the Galaga Medley was accidentally renamed "Bloody Tears / Monster Dance" the day before his reveal.
• : Safe.
• : Safe.
• : Safe.
• : Safe, although IIRC there were some Loz18 rumors around him at the time.
• : Leaked by Vergeben.
• : Leaked by Vergeben. Also, this.
• : Leaked by Vergeben.
• : Safe, although I recall some stuff about how he was "leaked" beforehand; wouldn't have guessed it based on the reactions to nearly everyone who watched that Direct.
• : Safe. Thank God.
• : Aside from the 5channel stuff that accurately predicted Granblue Fantasy VS (reminder that it didn't actually end up being completely true), the biggest leak towards them was the "Yuusha" name found alongside Plant/"Packun" and Joker/"Jack".
• : Leaked by a ResetERA inside with a proven record.
• Terry: SNK copyright confirmed the company's presence, Vergeben and Sabi helped confirmed the character.

To add to this list, Joker got datamined before his reveal, and we didn't know because those who datamined him didn't want to reveal it (and also to be fair they didn't guess Jack was him).

Piranha Plant was leaked by several minor sources, but obviously nobody paid them attention. Vergeben also claimed he had known about it but didn't say anything because nobody would have believed him.

Bottom line, they really need to get their **** together about leaks.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

To add to this list, Joker got datamined before his reveal, and we didn't know because those who datamined him didn't want to reveal it (and also to be fair they didn't guess Jack was him).

Piranha Plant was leaked by several minor sources, but obviously nobody paid them attention. Vergeben also claimed he had known about it but didn't say anything because nobody would have believed him.

Bottom line, they really need to get their **** together about leaks.

What are the odds that Harada will step in? He's got anti-leak measures for Bamco fighters.

 

[GoodGrief741]

What are the odds that Harada will step in? He's got anti-leak measures for Bamco fighters.

One would expect him to already have stepped in given how Bamco developed the game, though maybe resources were diverted to other games like Tekken and Soul Calibur (FighterZ got them leaks too).

Takeaway is at least if there was a Bamco rep it probably wouldn't leak.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

One would expect him to already have stepped in given how Bamco developed the game, though maybe resources were diverted to other games like Tekken and Soul Calibur (FighterZ got them leaks too).

Takeaway is at least if there was a Bamco rep it probably wouldn't leak.

My hunch is that whoever the Bamco character is (if there is one), they could be someone so unbelievable that people would assume they're leakbait.

As for FighterZ, Verge can't leak that one correctly, ironically enough. At least for season 1.

 

[3BitSaurus]

My hunch is that whoever the Bamco character is (if there is one), they could be someone so unbelievable that people would assume they're leakbait.

As for FighterZ, Verge can't leak that one correctly, ironically enough. At least for season 1.

So you're saying Klonoa has a chance.

I actually think that a Bamco character is very likely for the next "wave". Not because of arbitrary quotas, but because they have a lot to work with, just like Capcom. That, and most companies left over for DLC are relatively low-profile, so Namco is admittedly a "safer" bet.

Actually, I wonder how the release schedule will be in case we do get 10 more characters...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So you're saying Klonoa has a chance.

I actually think that a Bamco character is very likely for the next "wave". Not because of arbitrary quotas, but because they have a lot to work with, just like Capcom. That, and most companies left over for DLC are relatively low-profile, so Namco is admittedly a "safer" bet.

Actually, I wonder how the release schedule will be in case we do get 10 more characters...

It doesn't hurt that there doesn't seem to be too many "obvious" choices for Bamco characters, seeing as Tekken and Tales are both in real danger of having the Mii costume treatment again (especially the former, given that Ishizuka's untimely death may have Heihachi set aside for now). The only question is if they are ready and willing to go past , who was a special request by Miyamoto.

For next year, I suppose we could have 6 like we got last year and this one.

 

[ramon_zer0]

I actually think that a Bamco character is very likely for the next "wave". Not because of arbitrary quotas, but because they have a lot to work with, just like Capcom.

Tekken, Soulcalibur, Xenosaga, Tales, Dark Souls - Namco doesn't have any shortage of characters to pick from, so I guess it's on Sakurai if he himself thinks that he can make a movelist that can accurately reflect said company or series well.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

I think it's more likely we could get female Terry as a alt.

Wouldn't this make the "female character from fighting game" leak true if it happens?

Anyway, I think all the slots will be filled too, and I think they won't do another fighter pass but release the remaining characters separately like they did with Piranha Plant.
I hope they will put some first party characters in, especially the "missing spirits", but that sentence about "new worlds" makes me think that probably even the additional characters will come from third party companies or at least from unrepresented series.

 

[SvartWolf]

Tekken, Soulcalibur, Xenosaga, Tales, Dark Souls - Namco doesn't have any shortage of characters to pick from, so I guess it's on Sakurai if he himself thinks that he can make a movelist that can accurately reflect said company or series well.

I think that with dark souls it wouldnt represent directly at bandai namco, but at from software, similary like joker is more of an atlus character or bayo is more of a platinium games character, even if both of them are technically sega characters.

Plus i believe that from software self publish the dark souls games in japan.

Still, who says that from software haven't earned a little rep? :3

 

[GoodGrief741]

I think that with dark souls it wouldnt represent directly at bandai namco, but at from software, similary like joker is more of an atlus character or bayo is more of a platinium games character, even if both of them are technically sega characters.

Plus i believe that from software self publish the dark souls games in japan.

Still, who says that from software haven't earned a little rep? :3

FromSoft self-publishes the Souls games in Japan but Bandai Namco owns the IP so they might not even have to be involved.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I think it's more likely we could get female Terry as a alt.

Not so sure about that, people were rather mixed on that game, and the concept of Terry being in there as a girl in the first place.

I know at least I'd much more prefer his Garou alt as his alt costume if he gets one.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

It doesn't hurt that there doesn't seem to be too many "obvious" choices for Bamco characters, seeing as Tekken and Tales are both in real danger of having the Mii costume treatment again (especially the former, given that Ishizuka's untimely death may have Heihachi set aside for now). The only question is if they are ready and willing to go past , who was a special request by Miyamoto.

For next year, I suppose we could have 6 like we got last year and this one.

Soul Calibur, Dark Souls, Xenosaga, Katamari Damacy, Namco still would have plenty more IPs they could work with to put in Smash.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Soul Calibur, Dark Souls, Xenosaga, Katamari Damacy, Namco still would have plenty more IPs they could work with to put in Smash.

Yes, but I won't rule out Sakurai going for someone that's not obvious at first glance. Like Gil from Tower of Druaga, or something like that.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Well the Gil Mii costume from 4 is still MIA along with the Akira, Jacky, Geno and Heihatchi ones.

Akira's already an assist but maaaaybe....

 

[Spatman]

I'm honestly really not sure. Maybe if one set is Echo Fighters. 3+ years of post-launch support would be crazy, but I also thought more DLC past the Fighters Pass would be a pipe dream.

One thing is I don't know if Nintendo wants the cumulative DLC to cost more than the game itself. The full Smash Ultimate experience costing ~$140 (including Piranha Plant) seems crazy. But again. I thought we would only get one season, so clearly what I speculate doesn't mean much.

I'm very curious how this will shake out. For the first time in forever, Smash speculation feels truly open.

usually when a game has more season pass, the older season passes receive a definitive full of price and/or are discounted very often. I mean, I know that we're talking about Nintendo, but as you said having total price of season passes exceeding the price of vanilla game is a terrible commercial move.

Btw, for people who keeps on saying Funky should be an echo of DK: I disagree. The most prominent feature of Funky is being, well, funky. So, something largely different from the original material (DK). In order to keep this core difference, Funky couldn't have the same moveset of DK. Some similarities of course, but also many differences.
And yes, I know that the same could be said about Daisy. But the fact is that Daisy is a largely popular character, who many people wanted in in a way or in the other. Funky doesn't enjoy the same popularity and recognizability, so I believe that he could be add to the roster only to bring something new to the table (not necessarily in terms of crazy gameplay mechanics, but overall in terms of personality in comparison to DK). I tend to exclude a Funky echo, we don't "need" him like we needed Daisy (and I'm a person who absolutely loves Funky and never really liked Daisy, lol)

 

[Ben Holt]

Here is my Echo Fighters list:

/Metal Sonic
/Medusa
/Funky Kong
/Dixie Kong (She could be a Echo, but that would be such a waste of potential for a character of her caliber.)
/Dry Bowser
/Demise
/Black Shadow
/Black Knight
/Galacta Knight
/Ms. Pac-Man
/Proto Man
/Octolings
/Ninten
/Kasumi
/Impa
/Boshi
/Hilda

Don't you DARE make Impa a Sheik echo.

But also, yes. I think the 10 dummy slots will be filled, if not exceeded.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Well the Gil Mii costume from 4 is still MIA along with the Akira, Jacky, Geno and Heihatchi ones.

Akira's already an assist but maaaaybe....

And Lloyd.

 

[3BitSaurus]

So, something interesting now that 6.0 has released: the unstacked character select screen now has physical space for about 11 slots (FP5 + 10). That's the same number as we got from the initial WoL datamine. Could be just a coincidence and a datamine would be way more reliable than this, but I thought I'd share either way.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thum...DLC.jpeg/400px-SSBU_Character_Select_DLC.jpeg

Interestingly, the same number roughly applies to the Squad Strike CSS (2 on each side of the Miis, then move everything up and add one more row of 7).

https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thum...px-SSBU_Character_Select_Squad_Strike_DLC.jpg

Apologies for the bad image quality, couldn't find better ones since it's only been out for a few days.

EDIT: Images broke, so I'm using the links instead.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So, something interesting now that 6.0 has released: the unstacked character select screen now has physical space for about 11 slots (FP5 + 10). That's the same number as we got from the initial WoL datamine. Could be just a coincidence and a datamine would be way more reliable than this, but I thought I'd share either way.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thum...DLC.jpeg/400px-SSBU_Character_Select_DLC.jpeg

Interestingly, the same number roughly applies to the Squad Strike CSS (2 on each side of the Miis, then move everything up and add one more row of 7).

https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thum...px-SSBU_Character_Select_Squad_Strike_DLC.jpg

Apologies for the bad image quality, couldn't find better ones since it's only been out for a few days.

EDIT: Images broke, so I'm using the links instead.

Interesting.

 

[Perkilator]

Well, if we really are getting 10 more fighters after the Pass, and a TH character is on of them, here are the characters I support:

1. Byleth Eisner (Support thread here)
2. Claude von Riegan (Support thread here)

 

[Guybrush20X6]

If Sakurai is willing to got for the the full 16 characters ... let's see

*Along with the initial game's 6 newcomers and 4 echos that would be 26 newcomers total, even more than Smash 4 with the Miis counted separately.
*If all of them are new universes, that would completely obliterate the most series added to a game with the original game's 10 (Even if DK and Yoshi are pushing it) overshadowed by 15.
* Be the longest Nintendo has supported any project with DLC.

Exciting times.

 

[GoodGrief741]

If Sakurai is willing to got for the the full 16 characters ... let's see

*Along with the initial game's 6 newcomers and 4 echos that would be 26 newcomers total, even more than Smash 4 with the Miis counted separately.
*If all of them are new universes, that would completely obliterate the most series added to a game with the original game's 10 (Even if DK and Yoshi are pushing it) overshadowed by 15.
* Be the longest Nintendo has supported any project with DLC.

Exciting times.

And all of it sold separately...

Not sure if exciting's the word.

 

[Wrathful_Scythe]

And all of it sold separately...

Not sure if exciting's the word.

Of course opinions will differ but if you don't want to buy it, you don't have to in most cases. In my opinion, its always nice to see a game I enjoy getting more and more content over the years. So yeah, exciting is the right word for some of us.

 

[NintenRob]

So, something interesting now that 6.0 has released: the unstacked character select screen now has physical space for about 11 slots (FP5 + 10). That's the same number as we got from the initial WoL datamine. Could be just a coincidence and a datamine would be way more reliable than this, but I thought I'd share either way.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thum...DLC.jpeg/400px-SSBU_Character_Select_DLC.jpeg

Interestingly, the same number roughly applies to the Squad Strike CSS (2 on each side of the Miis, then move everything up and add one more row of 7).

https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thum...px-SSBU_Character_Select_Squad_Strike_DLC.jpg

Apologies for the bad image quality, couldn't find better ones since it's only been out for a few days.

EDIT: Images broke, so I'm using the links instead.

Wasn't this the case with Banjo too? I don't think this is new.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Wasn't this the case with Banjo too? I don't think this is new.

I think there were some very light changes... I could be wrong, though.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

And all of it sold separately...

Not sure if exciting's the word.

Oh my wallet is screaming but it knows it's powerless.

Though by the end of it all, Nintendo could release a definitive edition for $100 and it would end up being a comparative bargain.

 

[NintenRob]

So they're doing 6 character fighter pass, the math doesn't quite add up for it unfortunately


......



OR DOES IT?

if they add four stand alone echo fighters to the game. Then we would get a fully squared out roster, even if you stack the echo fighters.

It's perfect!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

they did say FPV2 was the last pass most likely, but with 6 characters in it, the other four are still unknown.
They could do one of these things:
A. Four of the fighters in this pass will be bundled with Echoes for free (Echoes of characters IN FPV2 only)
B. They do the echoes as Individual DLC like Piranha Plant; they won’t come with a stage or music (or maybe a few music tracks but still no stage)
C. Part of A and part of B (B would apply best to base roster echoes like Black Shadow for Captain Falcon; or Pass 1 echoes like Kasumi for Joker)
D. (Unlikely) free patched in echoes for any characters in any order. If Kasumi falls under this though, you’d have to own Joker first.

And then E. individual DLC but they’re NOT ECHOES. they can still come with music but no stage and are all from already repped series. Picks include Bandana Dee, a Gen 8, and others.