Guide The way-too-long-for-anybody-to-actually-read Ness Guide!

[Wave⁂]

I just lately decided to implement more tilts in my Ness game.

I'm guessing A-A-A would have the same use as fair in some occasions, simply to get your opponent off your face.

Speaking of A-A-A, does anyone have any bright ideas about that? [/anticipates "no"]

 

[The_NZA]

Well...i just use it to create space, kinda like down tilt (except i dont use dtilt which is a bad habit). Also individual jabs are always a good idea to do now and hten as a reflex as you use them to counter strings of attacks your opponent does. When your opponents at a high percentage i think you can jab to DJC nair, or fair.
*EDIT*
Mistakenly thought you said ftilt instad of fair annoying. My bad

*End Edit*

Also the nice thing about the nuetral A combo is sometimes you can end it with a bat...especially against people who are sorta newbish.

 

[Wave⁂]

When'd he say that?

 

[N.OW]

Lol, i just watched the teams vid N.OW put up. Man, you are amazing. Especially the last Jiggz KO.

Thanks a lot!

Sage/Annoying dont forget to add these vids to the guide! They are really good trust me
vs Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JbDos0A7Fw

vs Ganon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DUM0qHbGHw

 

[The_NZA]

N. OW! You are SIIIIIIIICK. I love your movement especially. Tell me, do you throw in wavedashes into your dash dances cause it sometimes looks like you do a combination of hte two. Excellent excellent player. Although im surprised you didn't dair edgeguard as much against ganon.

 

[N.OW]

Yes, i usually always combine the two. I usually don't stand still if i want to stay in the same place i will just dash forward, wavedash back over and over.
Personally, i don't dair edgeguard much at all. I prefer to just bair everything instead, as it is faster and easier to hit with. Sometimes i will bat but mostly i just spam bair

 

[The_NZA]

aaah, i see. I need to practice the dash dance to the wavedash. I usually dash dance and right out of it just dahs attack, JC grab, and sometimes fair.

IF you can, please post more videos of you using ness. Your ness is really refined. Do you main ness or CF?

 

[N.OW]

I very much main ness, I just cant play against sheik so i use different chars for shieks usually. All my videos i have of ness are on page 10.

 

[The_NZA]

N.OW, from watching your fox Vid, just a suggestion that you prob already know in corneria...CC the guns, dont try to tech it. CC will almost always save you (it doesn't get you killed 99.999% of the time) and you dont run the risk of missing the tech.

 

[thesage]

You actually can be using psi magnet and hold down on the control sitck. It gives the same effect as cc'ing and prevents pikachu, pichu, and the ships from bothering you.

 

[N.OW]

wow thanks i did know about CC but not about psi magnet

 

[thesage]

I might make a short series of clips (15 secs. or so) about the gay things Ness can do on certain stages.

 

[thesage]

It's been two days now so I think I can post. I updated my section again. That is definetely not the final version and I'll make it flow better in my next update (mabye this friday). If I haven't put in some vids that you think I should post/ pm them NOW. I'm open to all vids right now, but I'll cut back to 2/3 per matchup, depending on the matchup/ quality of videos.

 

[KrulNess]

i suppose an apology is needed.....i have been gone for quite some time....

and yet, fantastic progress is always made....

tell me sage.....what section do you have part in.....and what is needed....because about a month ago i decided to chip in again and that lasted about a week...

so, whats new....how can more improvement be made??


(by the way *thesage*, i remember when you made your first post....yes, its been that long)

 

[Wave⁂]

You could help me with the move descriptions. They aren't very complete.

 

[KrulNess]

in which post??

 

[thesage]

The first one dummy. You could also write some character matchups. Any matchup I don't care.

Krul: You're in good habits. I really need to stop coming here. I need more practice.

I'm working on the matchups, general info, and the things a Ness noob should learn...

 

[KrulNess]

ive basically just been practicing like crazy....for the last couple of months


hense the reason that i havent been here



btw...sorry for stealing your post
and i'm starting on a luigi matchup description


and a good idea would be a section for noobs....

 

[thesage]

and a good idea would be a section for noobs....

I've gotten started on that one. Some help would be appreciated.

 

[KrulNess]

i've been working on a luigi matchup for ya...

i'll try and give it to you by the weekend...i just don't want it to be too long XD




EDIT: Alright, i got the matchup done.

Here's a draft of it:

luigi


Alright, so luigi is a real crazy one for all nesses of the world. First of all, notice the way that luigi walks, attacks, and even taunts. Its extremely fluid, and he has some very quick actions that take a while to get back into to position. It's interesting to pair such a floaty character like ness with luigi, because they are extremely contrasting.

I'll first consentrate on the attacks of luigi. I've noticed that the real ness killer is luigi's fair, the chop. Luigi's arm and hit box shoot out amazingly fast, which is what makes it difficult. The only attack while ness is in the air that can cope with that is nesses nair, but its hitbox is way more condensed then luigi's hitbox. Luigi almost always hits with this attack. Luigis second attack that is weird to get used to is his usmash. It seems simple enough, but it is difficult because luigi has the ability to continue sliding while he is attacking. This makes the timing to counter the attack very difficult. The majority of luigi's other attacks are simple to avoid when you need to. You should never be hit with luigi's dash attack with ness, its amazingly simple to avoid.

With any disadvantages against luigi, there are also some advantages. The easiest one to see is luigi's funky recovery. With pk thunder to pull them down and then the a jump off the edge to a neutral air or even a spike can help. Once he is out far enough, there is almost no way for him to het back. Of course, you can absorb luigi's fireballs when ever you have the chance.

For free for all battles with a luigi involved, not too much focus needs to be on the luigi, but perhaps on finding where he will be at any time. You see, luigi's playing style varies largely on how the luigi is playing, wheather he is offensive or defensive at the time. In a free for all, luigi's style dramaticly increases to just a melee to anyone near him. This can give a simple but large advantage to a ness, who can focus easily on luigi.


EDIT: I'll just stick to this post, so i dont waste any...read it really quick and tell me what i need to change.

 

[thesage]

I'll put it up. Toasty wrote some stuff on the Samus matchup as well.

Matchup descriptions I need:

Sheik
Peach
Marth
Jigglypuff
Fox
Falco
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game and Watch
Link
Mario
Pikachu
Captain Falcon
Doctor Mario
Young Link
Pichu
Zelda
Ganondorf
DK
Kirby
Yoshi
Bowser
Roy

 

[Wave⁂]

what, is that every character?

 

[thesage]

Not Luigi and Samus. I want other people's opinions and my own. That way it'll be a better guide. I wish more people helped me since this is really important.

 

[Wave⁂]

I wish more people helped me since move descriptions (could be more) important.

 

[KrulNess]

i'll write you one on peach tonight


and maybe fox and falco....


i'm having some friends over to play smash....and normally thats who they main...i might be able to write more

 

[thesage]

Up-smash info from Toasty in the OTHER guide...

 

[_clinton]

Sweet! my 2 very small guides were put into this huge guide made by many people (yes this is the first time I ever looked at this).

Well that makes me happy (I think)... so does anyone want to see a pic. of my Cat? Because she is so sweet!

 

[OnYourMark]

Well that makes me happy (I think)... so does anyone want to see a pic. of my Cat? Because she is so sweet!

I do!..........

 

[_clinton]

Cool go look at my profile picture!

 

[thesage]

Clinton, could you correct all the gremmar errors in your guide?

 

[Wave⁂]

LOL your cat kinda looks like my cat. _clinton, if you didn't notice, i kinda added a little note in the PSI Magnet guide. <3 corneria cannons.

 

[indie_dave]

I do!..........

@ OYM, you need to come to jose's this week, and i need to see your advanced pkt jutsu in action, if you have any under your belt that is.
i might be able to go, but after 8pm. they'll be there from 6-11. lemme know, you and i are prolly the only serious nessers in state. my ness is so neglected lately BOOOOO i'm feeling uninspired by not winning with him

 

[thesage]

BOOOOO i'm feeling uninspired by not winning with him

That's what get for maining Ness... *feels sudden urge of Ness pride* Come forth Ness mains and show the world the power of Ness!

*gets beaten by noob sheik then four-stocks noob sheik with his own noob shieik* ****nit!

 

[indie_dave]

omg really, so true ries:

alright i promise you guys, imma work on my ness.
but after finals, this summer. promise ^_^

 

[OnYourMark]

@ OYM, you need to come to jose's this week, and i need to see your advanced pkt jutsu in action, if you have any under your belt that is.
i might be able to go, but after 8pm. they'll be there from 6-11. lemme know, you and i are prolly the only serious nessers in state. my ness is so neglected lately BOOOOO i'm feeling uninspired by not winning with him

We'll see... I've always wanted to go, but it's just never happened =(

 

[indie_dave]

if you rly wanna go, lemme know. finals for this smstr are done next week for me, and i plan on going rglrly over summer and i wouldn't mind giving you a ride over and back. "5 times at jose's and you'll be suuuper good", to quote shoyo, one of the best foxes i've ever seen. ask gimpyfish, he used to play jose a lot ^_^

 

[_clinton]

Clinton, could you correct all the gremmar errors in your guide?

I Updated the PK fire guide a little...

 

[toasty]

Speaking of A-A-A, does anyone have any bright ideas about that? [/anticipates "no"]

Like NZA said, you can AAA-->Bat if 1) they're noobish and/or 2) the spacing is right...strangely, I've been able to pull this off on low-medium damage Marths. Do NOT try this on heavy characters who can recover from stun quickly...actually, in those cases dont even bother with the AAA combo. Ooh Samus, Marth, Fox, Sheik, Peach [and I'm going to guess Falco] at low damages will crouch-cancel into a grab/dtilt/dsmash...so it's best that if you want to try this, do it when they're slightly in the air. One neutral A can stop Sheik's dash attack as well =D

Oh man...on just about everyone else though? I say you master L-cancelling all of Ness's aerials and, as if it were a shine, do the AAA combo every time they block your aerial...it kills block grabbing and can set you up for nasty combos as well...this is godly in Ness dittos.
Follow up an AAA combo with a dash attack because, if they techroll backward, which they almost always do, [and if they don't have a very long roll], the last spark of your dash attack will catch them right as they come up. If for nothing else, use this in Ness dittos.

as for ftilt. Get really good at doing full wavedashes and learn to dash into them too...it'll make Ness beyond fast and it'll make it really hard for people to predict what you'll do [it's like when Luigi slides all over the place and then seemingly out of nowhere he's in your face with a f/u/dsmash or AAA combo of his own]...but yeah, get good at this and the second you get near them, ftilt, upward-ftilt is great too...esp against Falco's fat a$$

 

[Wave⁂]

I guess A-A-A could be useful if you happen to be right next to your opponent and want to get them first with an fast attack.

 

[thesage]

Are the uses for d-tilt and AAA different? The seem the same to me. I can't seem to combo at all with d-tilt despite the low ending lag and quick startup and lack of knockback. I guess it just doesn't have enough stun...