The Unity Ruleset: Discussion

[SaveMeJebus]

You can drop through the platform...

you can get up tilted while on the platform.

@San, I want to see how this match can be won once DDD (or any other character) takes out the first stock or has a decent percent lead.

 

[hichez50]

RC may be gay but it is fine for competitive play. I don't know why japes is not on the stage list.

 

[Conviction]

You are really dense. Camp the left of the house. Car comes, DDD PS's the car, you drop through the platform and punish.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

You are really dense. Camp the left of the house. Car comes, DDD PS's the car, you drop through the platform and punish.

You don't have enough time.

 

[Conviction]

Yeah you do. Have you even seen the lag on the PS?

I'm done with Ultimate Theorycrafter 22. If you can actual bring up something that is not theorycraft, I'll be glad to respond.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Yeah you do. Have you even seen the lag on the PS?

I have. Have you seen how long it takes to get down from the house even when fast falling? What stops them from approaching you when you are waiting for the car to come?

 

[Conviction]

Them losing positional advantage. They are approaching, which was the whole point of waiting for the car. It isn't hard to FF and punish...


You have disgressed so far from your base of your argument Jebus. You have nothing to stand on.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Them losing positional advantage. They are approaching, which was the whole point of waiting for the car. It isn't hard to FF and punish...


You have disgressed so far from your base of your argument Jebus. You have nothing to stand on.

You can't punish with anything but a grab since he is shielding which means you have to land which means you are at disadvantage.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Aaaaand Jebus is moving to my ignore list. I'm facepalming so hard that I'm getting a headache reading his posts.

 

[Conviction]

@Niddo: LOL

@jebus: How are you at a disadvantage if he is stuck in lag?

 

[Judo777]

No no no you don't have to wait til the car comes. You attack BEFORE the car comes. Then you either hit D3 and BOTH get hit by the car or he gets away and you have successfully dislodged him. Or you get grabbed and the CAR hits both of you ending the grab.

 

[Conviction]

Well damn.

 

[Player-1]

if you PS d3's utilt you have plenty of time to drop down and aerial...especially if you PSC it.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

@Niddo: LOL

@jebus: How are you at a disadvantage if he is stuck in lag?

So you are telling me that this shield lag give you enough time to fast fall from the top of the left house and grab DDD before he can do anything?

 

[Conviction]

Yes I am. Are you telling me otherwise?

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Yes I am. Are you telling me otherwise?

You do know that you also have to turn around in order to grab because of the way that the roof top forces you to fast fall don't you?

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

omg jebus there is more than one platform that more than just your character can fall from and MUCH more characters have less options. you fail if you can't find a way to get to DDD, even more fail for not getting that there is such a thing as doing an autocancel aerial>follow up AFTER THE CAR

edit:
or as my character, just shoot arrows down at him and make him try and catch you with all those platforms for me to wing refresh on

 

[Judo777]

I'm gonna take an OS stance on this argument. Screw your theory bros. Go test it please. We already are.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

omg jebus there is more than one platform that more than just your character can fall from and MUCH more characters have less options. you fail if you can't find a way to get to DDD, even more fail for not getting that there is such a thing as doing an autocancel aerial>follow up AFTER THE CAR

not on shield. only grabs go through shield

@Judo, get testers that know how to kill out of a wall infinite.

 

[Conviction]

What house are you talking about? Not on the red one. FF AD into buffered turn around grab. or FF AC aerial into buffered turn around grab.

I'm with Judo, Ultimate Theorycrafter 22 is a bad game. Go test something instead of typing every single idea that comes to your head.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

everyone just give up on this guy, he knows nothing of spacing, buffering, or brawl

 

[Bizkit047]

@Bizkit: You would only be able to nado onto the boat. If you nado in the water, that's a LOT of lag. Also, in the water out there, MK has to rely on his crappy horizontal airspeed outside of glide and nado.

Yes, but the point was that MK's nado goes horizontally very fast. The opponent would have to immediately start chasing MK into the water the second he starts nadoing away, and if he goes close to the blast zone, the opponent has probably 0 chance of safely punishing him, while MK will be able to jump out of the water by then to punish the opponent that likely is in the water now.

I'll test it out when I get a chance, but I just see it as being problematic in tourney.

 

[Conviction]

Everyone should know how to kill out of wall infinite...LOL

Abraham is right though.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

What house are you talking about? Not on the red one. FF AD into buffered turn around grab. or FF AC aerial into buffered turn around grab.

I'm with Judo, Ultimate Theorycrafter 22 is a bad game. Go test something instead of typing every single idea that comes to your head.

I'm talking about the red one. You are at a disadvantage if you are standing on the drug store

 

[Conviction]

Press and hold down. You just reached DDD. Now press Z/R+A/L+A/custom button. You now grabbed DDD.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Press and hold down. You just reached DDD. Now press Z/R+A/L+A/custom button. You now grabbed DDD.

more like: Press and hold down. DDD has now gotten out shield lag. You have just reached DDD.

 

[Conviction]

More like actually play the game and you'll see it doesn't play out that way.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

more like fall down and buffering angel ring,

you are now eating DDD shield/hitting DDD/ setting up for more circle camping

(oh wait, you don't main pit, sucks to be you then)

edit:


forgot about that little guy

 

[san.]

Yes, but the point was that MK's nado goes horizontally very fast. The opponent would have to immediately start chasing MK into the water the second he starts nadoing away, and if he goes close to the blast zone, the opponent has probably 0 chance of safely punishing him, while MK will be able to jump out of the water by then to punish the opponent that likely is in the water now.

I'll test it out when I get a chance, but I just see it as being problematic in tourney.

Just look at how long it takes before you can do anything after falling into the water, and you'll see how crappy falling back in the water really is. Not to mention characters would be able to pressure MK offstage much easier anyways.

You have a set jump distance when jumping out of the water. It decreases every time you continuously jump in the water until you can barely get out 1 aerial. Only B moves that reach vertically have any worth, and that's really their ONLY option after a while, since aerials won't be very effective.

It's like 40-50 frames at least. A character falls into the water, dips down for a little bit, goes back up to gasp for breath, then a slight lag, THEN you can jump (and only jump) to another buffered input.

To achieve less lag, you have to skim the nado across the water before falling, and that's pretty inconceivable in that kind of situation.


MK is so slow in the air, only B moves will really reach anyone.

 

[Conviction]

It's okay Abraham. Jebus doesn't know some characters have projectiles.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

More like actually play the game and you'll see it doesn't play out that way.

You guys make it seem like I don't play and I haven't tested it


http://i51.tinypic.com/214y0w6.png

 

[Conviction]

Idc about your PR LOL

Doesn't prove a thing about your knowledge on the stage. Derp.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

oh your that jeebus. i met you at WGF4.

but still

ima seeing this come from this discussion

 

[Conviction]

Was he this dense IRL?

 

[SaveMeJebus]

I don't even really care if they legalize Onett. It seems like Diddy would be great on that stage (Banana wall infinites). I know what you guys are talking about and it wont work.

Also, I didn't go to WGF4

 

[Conviction]

Until that car comes...LOL

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

you didn't? **** i know the guy i met there said he was on the so-cal PR (and wasn't one of the bigger names) and i could have sworn it was you. maybe it was bardull

 

[SaveMeJebus]

Until that car comes...LOL

and I jump or shield and you eat an extra 30%. bananas are not as laggy as grabs

 

[Conviction]

or I just use the invinci. frames from a wake up :-/

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

okay this has gone on long enough. lets discuss something that matters because to my knowledge they are talking about japes and norfair and pirate ship for now and nothing else