The SURVIVOR series (Season 26 airs Feb. 13!)

[LivewiresXe]

That's weird because Ethan is the only castaway I know that was Jewish that was on the original All-star season. Is there someone I'm missing?

 

[Sariku]

That's weird because Ethan is the only castaway I know that was Jewish that was on the original All-star season. Is there someone I'm missing?

you took me wayyy too literally when I said jewish. I was using it as an insult, lol

 

[LivewiresXe]

Oh, well I WAS up till 3:30 last night, lol. And actually for the record, supposedly Rob C's jewish so, could've meant him.

 

[Sariku]

Oh, well I WAS up till 3:30 last night, lol. And actually for the record, supposedly Rob C's jewish so, could've meant him.

I love Rob. <3

 

[LivewiresXe]

And he sings too, haha.

 

[Sariku]

And he sings too, haha.

Why is he perfect. He needs to come back<3

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

The thing about the game is that the jury is 100% arbitrary in how it decides a winner. Some juries take everything super personally and demand some kind of social justice (the entire Vanuatu jury). Other juries respect and reward smart gameplay (much of the China jury). Other juries have other random criteria. It must be a pain trying to satisfy everyone's off-the-wall demands all while playing a good game so that you "deserve it".

I did not like Holly's approach to Fabio. Fabio did precisely what he needed to do: he was a massive target, so he won immunity to keep himself in the game. Yes, Holly/Brenda, winning immunity is part of the game. If there were no immunity challenges, well duh, Fabio would have played a different game. I don't like Holly's too-little-too-late attitude in the last tribal council.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Yeah, that kind of turned me off. It seemed like the Holly/Jane votes for Chase were kind of spiteful votes more to defy what they thought was an inevitable Fabio win, while Brenda figured she'd rather lose to someone she led around than someone she didn't really know and Alina went insane, lol.

Still though, the jury have ALWAYS been 100% free to decide how to determine who should get their vote and it's the finalists job as they go through the game to read how the jurors will react accordingly. That's why a lot of people will say that how good a player is, is based upon how well they're able to read how people will react and act accordingly, and why people stress the importance of the social aspect.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Still though, the jury have ALWAYS been 100% free to decide how to determine who should get their vote and it's the finalists job as they go through the game to read how the jurors will react accordingly. That's why a lot of people will say that how good a player is, is based upon how well they're able to read how people will react and act accordingly, and why people stress the importance of the social aspect.

Agreed. I wouldn't change the way jury works at all. It is indeed part of the game. I just think that most juries consist of whining babies. Much of the time, the votes are all about spiting someone rather than voting for someone who earned it. It seems that players can only really "unearn" it.

 

[tmw_redcell]

I agree that winning immunity counts as a viable strategy. If you can do it, you're invincible unless the game throws some kinda curveball (like not having an immunity challenge one week or something). Some players forget about it because they can't do it, but it's the most important thing and alliances are the fallback position you have to take. The final 3-person alliance wanted Fabio out, and they flat out couldn't do it and had to vote out one of their own instead. Maybe it's not "strategy" but instead "brute force" but eh I count it as a strategy.

 

[LivewiresXe]

People just look at it in the sense of "you can't bank on the challenges supporting your strengths" and rely on it. Like, to some, it's the relationships you make that you have to depend on, but to others, Immunity is the only certain thing to make you safe (now, if certain people would remember that...lol).

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

It is not a viable strategy to "plan" on winning the next X immunity challenges. I'm sure that is why the jury expressed distaste in Fabio's approach. However, this game is filled with situations where players have to take that "one way out". Most of the time, that entails backstabbing some close ally; it gets the player farther into the game, but it puts his/her position at risk due to tainting the jury. Fabio had no ally to backstab; his "one way out" was in winning immunity. He found the one way out and took it. What is so wrong with that?

I appreciate that the jury is digging deep and making the finalists defend their approaches to the game. It is largely what makes the jury so interesting: it is fundamentally impossible to satisfy all its members. Ultimately, whether they want to admit it or not, jury members manage to make it personal.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Sure you could say it's impossible to satisfy all the members but well...Earl and JT would disagree with you there, I'm sure.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Sure you could say it's impossible to satisfy all the members but well...Earl and JT would disagree with you there, I'm sure.

There is a difference between "satisfying the jury" and "scoring all the votes". I am well aware of the unanimous vote getters. I would just argue that they were fortunate enough to take incompetent opponents to the end. Players work hard to take despicable/useless players to the end to reduce the workload.

 

[LivewiresXe]

I don't know, I'd argue that Stephen wasn't incompetent and that well, anybody would've lost 7-0 to JT in the Final 2.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I don't know, I'd argue that Stephen wasn't incompetent and that well, anybody would've lost 7-0 to JT in the Final 2.

JT didn't have to really answer a single jury question. Stephen spent the entire session giving non-answers and explaining how the heck he even got there. Stephen did *nothing*. Stephen was neither strategic nor tactful. JT planted him there.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Well, it could be argued that Stephen was actually the brains behind the duo. This is evidenced by how a lot of people were surprised by how flip-floppy JT was in HvV and how he gave the HII to Russhole. Stephen himself even blogged about it and has said sometimes he had to keep JT grounded and that he'd have never let JT give the Idol away because it was too much of a risk. Of course, Stephen may have been behind a good amount of the dirty work, but JT made sure that Stephen was taking all the flak for the things that were made by just about everyone in the alliance.

Hell, look at it this way, a lot of the jury felt more like JT was an honourable warrior over Stephen since he didn't participate in voting for a number of them, as made an example with Coach and Brendan. Also, Coach credited JT with saving him from the'backstabbing Debbie' after she went and voted for Coach, which caused Debbie to feel he voted her out for being disloyal to her ally. There's a number of kind of subtle things with that kinda stuff, too.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Holy crap people other than Sakiru or Livewires are posting in this thread! *gasp*

Anyways, I just finished season 1. But my goodness Kelly did not deserve the treatment she got from Sue at the last TC. I felt really sorry for her she easily could have won.

EDIT: Oh yeah, onto season 2

 

[LivewiresXe]

So what did you think of the season as a whole, TRG? Totally different, huh?

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Anyways, I just finished season 1. But my goodness Kelly did not deserve the treatment she got from Sue at the last TC. I felt really sorry for her she easily could have won.

This ironically ties in nicely to the discussion we are having right now. The jury has its own emotional constipation that finalists have to deal with.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Yeah. Also, fun fact, but Sue's speech actually turned Colleen and Gervase to vote for Kelly. Going into the Final TC, Rich was looking to win 6-1 (since apparently Greg and Sean were always going to vote Rich) and they changed that over.

 

[Sariku]

Finishing episode one of the Amazon. Knowing who places high in the season, it's ****ing crazy how many confessionals you see people like Heidi and Jenna get. And the Magic 8 Ball is complete genius. Also, Rob's comment made me fall on the floor laughing. "Heidi is so hot, she could put Viagra out of business."

 

[LivewiresXe]

Oh there's plenty of good stuff, and that's not including Rob to come. Rob C alone has tons of greatness though. And actually the first Tribal Council actually features a pretty funny burning by Probst, too.

 

[Sariku]

Listening to Rob C.'s call in episode of his podcast, it definitely make me confident that all the rumors that haven't been confirmed yet about Redemption Island are true. Anyways.

Probst did have a great outburst, x]. You can tell how much he has evolved as a host, comparing it to all the later seasons. I think he does a much better job now, even if others say he probes a bit too much. ...Get it, probes? Probst?

>_>;

 

[LivewiresXe]

Yeah, I got it. Oh, and now I'm NOT going to check out that podcast, by the way, lol.

And I dunno, I say he was at his best around seasons 7-10, personally.

 

[Sariku]

Well, I only say that because he said he had a huge reveal courtesy of CBS. Some of the people that called in was like, "In case you're wondering, they already pretty much confirmed 'you know what' because of all the talk about past survivor's and ****." Rob and Nicole kinda stuttered and was like, "Have they said anything..?" blah blah blah and was trying to figure out what was going on. But all of their dancing around the topic just kinda... yeah...

 

[LivewiresXe]

So, I asked for an explanation of what was said now, huh?


And either way, that doesn't really say or confirm/deny anything, lol.

 

[Sariku]

Calm down, Livey, :/ Anyways.
This cast seems really boring so far though, :/

 

[LivewiresXe]

You should know by now that isn't me getting worked up.

And I hope it's more like Nicaragua or Gabon's cast. Those were both pretty good.

 

[Sariku]

My bad, when I said this cast, I meant Amazon, x]

 

[LivewiresXe]

The Amazon cast actually has a lot of good characters. Rob, Jenna, Heidi, Matt, Alex, Deena, and Roger are all pretty good. Hell, even Butch has his moments. There's also an amazing Matt bit later on that you'll love. I won't spoil it (no matter how many times you ask), but it's absolutely awesome and semi-legendary in its own right.

 

[Sariku]

I won't ask you to spoil something if I'm gonna watch the season, x]
And alright, I'll keep drudging though. I bet it'll pick up at the merge.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Yeah, it'll pick up, don't you worry. It's kind of odd in that the dynamics of things are either exactly what you'd expect, or entirely different from what you'd expect. It depends what you were well, expecting to happen going into it, there's really no middle ground, lol.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I refuse to believe the rumors that Boston Rob and Russell are returning for season 22.

 

[LivewiresXe]

You mean because if that were true then there's only a .0000000001% chance that CBS WOULDN'T have Russell go on about it for 10 minutes?

 

[Sariku]

Oh mah gawdddd, I'm freakin' loving Rob in this, x] I'm only on episode 3 since I took a break to play BB:CS, but he is like, the funniest guy I think I've ever heard. This challenge is absolutely amazing, and all the talk about the girls, x]]]] Hooooooly ****.

Also, I added you on MSN Messenger if you use it, Livey. I'd love some tips at CS if you're willing to help me out, haha. I'd go to the thread, but I don't want to get involved with CSII while I'm trying to transfer from CT to CSI, x]

 

[LivewiresXe]

Yeah, I noticed you added me. And It's weird with CS1. Knowing all the awesome changes that're coming for CS2 (maining who I do) has oddly made me semi-less inclined to play, but we'll see.

 

[Mota]

I somewhat enjoyed this season of Survivor. After Marty and Brenda left, I didn't really care anymore. But seeing Fabio win 3 immunities in a row when I didn't believe he could, and him being the underdog, I just couldn't help but root for him considering the other people left.

Sash was made out to be a massive villain and a terrible person, when really it's how people play the game.

Next season's 'twist' looks interesting enough, more emphases on social game?
Never know if someone you back-stabbed might return haha

 

[Sariku]

I wonder if they'll join in to make the final five in Redemption Island. No matter how many spoilers I look for for S22, Redemption Island, I can't find that out. And btw, just to Livey, Missyae is spoiling again, :D I don't know where she got the info, or if she's had it for the past few months, but she is spoiling over Twitter. All she is doing is giving Castaways names though.

TRG: Do you still want the castaways that were spoiled to be in teh season? No placements or bootlists or anything, but a picture or two about them and their name? If no one else wants them, I can just PM them to you.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Well, actually for what it's worth, Missyae said he had the cast before he got busted. So obviously he's going to say what he has, we're just not going to be getting anything in the way of new information anymore.