NOTE: THIS IS UNRELATED TO THE MK BAN DISCUSSION.
I've been involved in a lot of discussions regarding stages. I am strongly of the opinion that Green Greens is a viable counterpick, and feel there is a lot of misinformation on the stage. Players who know the stage rarely if ever get gimped by it at random, and the bombs don't do that much damage. More importantly, it's possibly the only viable MK counterpick in the game (20% damage from bombs matters more to him, and the short sides and ceilings removes his recovery advantage, so he dies fast).
Now, once I demolish everyone's arguments regarding "random bomb kills" (which don't happen to players who know how the stage works), the most common argument I get is that Dedede can infinite people on the stage.
And this is where I am hopelessly confused.
Why would you ban the stage *just* because Dedede can infinite there? In the case of stages like Corneria, maybe I can see it, because a lot of characters can infinite with dtilt. But on Greens, characters' dtilts destroy the blocks unless spaced ridiculously well (requiring your opponent to be ridiculously stupid), so the dtilt infinites don't work, and if you're worried you can just destroy the blocks (they don't replenish if you only destroy the ones on the bottom).
Literally the entire viable argument for banning Green Greens is based around "It lets Dedede infinite people". Except...why would we ban this stage for this reason?
My opinion: It seems that people have a stigma against banning characters and techniques. Banning a technique seems like a stifle against the metagame, and thus uncompetitive- the result is that everyone would rather ban a bunch of stages just because of Dedede's infinite, instead of just banning the infinite. It's the same thing, except banning the stages hurts other characters outside of Dedede as well (Greens is great for characters with poor recovery, especially with the ability to kill off the top).
My argument:
Green Greens should not be banned on account of the Dedede infinite. If the Dedede infinite is legal, then Greens should be legal. If you don't want the infinite, ban the infinite, and not the stage.
I've been involved in a lot of discussions regarding stages. I am strongly of the opinion that Green Greens is a viable counterpick, and feel there is a lot of misinformation on the stage. Players who know the stage rarely if ever get gimped by it at random, and the bombs don't do that much damage. More importantly, it's possibly the only viable MK counterpick in the game (20% damage from bombs matters more to him, and the short sides and ceilings removes his recovery advantage, so he dies fast).
Now, once I demolish everyone's arguments regarding "random bomb kills" (which don't happen to players who know how the stage works), the most common argument I get is that Dedede can infinite people on the stage.
And this is where I am hopelessly confused.
Why would you ban the stage *just* because Dedede can infinite there? In the case of stages like Corneria, maybe I can see it, because a lot of characters can infinite with dtilt. But on Greens, characters' dtilts destroy the blocks unless spaced ridiculously well (requiring your opponent to be ridiculously stupid), so the dtilt infinites don't work, and if you're worried you can just destroy the blocks (they don't replenish if you only destroy the ones on the bottom).
Literally the entire viable argument for banning Green Greens is based around "It lets Dedede infinite people". Except...why would we ban this stage for this reason?
My opinion: It seems that people have a stigma against banning characters and techniques. Banning a technique seems like a stifle against the metagame, and thus uncompetitive- the result is that everyone would rather ban a bunch of stages just because of Dedede's infinite, instead of just banning the infinite. It's the same thing, except banning the stages hurts other characters outside of Dedede as well (Greens is great for characters with poor recovery, especially with the ability to kill off the top).
My argument:
Green Greens should not be banned on account of the Dedede infinite. If the Dedede infinite is legal, then Greens should be legal. If you don't want the infinite, ban the infinite, and not the stage.
Corneria is not a camp stage... you use that stage for quick kills. The extremely low blast zones makes this a quick match. WHY would anyone ban this stage is beyond me.
