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[Dutch Raikuna]

That opening is one of my favorites. At first I wasn't a fan of Kanbe but after a few episodes, I started loving them, then I started loving Kato.... then I started be a simp for both

Now midway through episode 4 and man is Kanbe really being a fish out of water here. Title of it is perfect: "Nothing Makes A Man so Adventurous as an Empty Pocket". A mostly true fact.

Spoiler: mild no way hom spoiler that was literally in marketing

They showed you five villains in marketing. It was stupid for people to thing that a sinister six movie would not only not be called a sinister six movie, but that it would also hide the last member.

Thats not how marketing works. If it was a sinister six film, it would have been labeled as such.

To be fair I do agree with Snake here on a rare moment.

. I haven't watched it yet but know a few spoilers. The whole five villains and not six is pretty annoying and you say it would be called a sinister six film isn't the best counterargument.

Things throughout marketing over the years have been hidden as such so it wouldn't be a complete no for a curveball to thrown out of nowhere.

 

[Pokelego999]

I'm way more salty about Archeops then Pheromosa really.

Yeah, it sucks. I'm fine with Defeatist, but my boy could do with some slight buffs (Funny to say stating its a 567 Base Stat total mon)

 

[TheMightyP]

Nwh: It was never meant to be a Sinister 6 film because it was a tribute to Spider-Mans extensive cinematic history. There's only 5 non MCU Spiderman Films. If we got an Amazing Spiderman 3, then yeah, it'd be a Sinister 6 film, but that never happened. That's not the fault of NWH, that's more of the fault on Sony and their mishandling of Spidey in the past.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Nwh: It was never meant to be a Sinister 6 film because it was a tribute to Spider-Mans extensive cinematic history. There's only 5 non MCU Spiderman Films. If we got an Amazing Spiderman 3, then yeah, it'd be a Sinister 6 film, but that never happened. That's not the fault of NWH, that's more of the fault on Sony and their mishandling of Spidey in the past.

Yeah but some of those films had more than one villain

 

[MooMew64]

yo

Game Pass is cool

 

[Pokelego999]

Yeah but some of those films had more than one villain

I mean, the only ones not included was Venom from the third movie and I guess technically Harry if you want to have two Green Goblins.

Unless I'm forgetting someone.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I mean, the only ones not included was Venom from the third movie and I guess technically Harry if you want to have two Green Goblins.

Unless I'm forgetting someone.

Rhino

 

[Pokelego999]

Rhino

Wait Rhino was in the films?

 

[TheMightyP]

Yeah but some of those films had more than one villain

Even if they grabbed the other villians, then we'd still be lacking a Sinister 6 because we'd have 3 Green Goblins and 2 Venoms in addition to what we already have, and trust, nobody wants Spider-Man 3's venom to return

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Can I just say that I really appreciate this thread going out of its way to not spoil NWH for people? If this was any other part of the internet I probably wouldn’t’ve made it an hour without having the secrets spilled.

 

[TheMightyP]

Wait Rhino was in the films?

For like 3 minutes. He barely counts lmao.

Edit:And it was a throwaway scene at the end

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Seeing all these spoiler tabs and trying not to open them feels like walking around a bunch of landmines rn

Btw, make sure to label your spoiler tabs,so people don't accidentally open it unknowingly

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Seeing all these spoiler tabs feels like walking around a sea of landmines rn

Feels like reading an SCP document.

 

[TheMightyP]

Seeing all these spoiler tabs feels like walking around a bunch of landmines rn

im in your walls
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run
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im in your walls

 

[Z25]

I don't care if that's what the source material is like. All I care about is if I enjoy the movie or not. If I read the comic I'd be complaining about the comic.

And I don't care about your're marketing point. How do you make a Spider-Man movie with FIVE villains when he has an iconic group named the Sinister SIX!?! What idiot doesn't see that plan and go "hey, maybe we should throw one in here and make it a Sinister Six movie?". I don't care if my expectations were wrong or not. That's a stupid argument to make because it's just such a stupid blunder to make on the creative side.

Basically both your points amount to invalidating my issues with, not even the film because I haven't seen it, with the concept and plot summery of the film, because I'm thinking the wrong things about it. And that is just incredibly aggravating and non constructive.

Now midway through episode 4 and man is Kanbe really being a fish out of water here. Title of it is perfect: "Nothing Makes A Man so Adventurous as an Empty Pocket". A mostly true fact.



To be fair I do agree with Snake here on a rare moment.

. I haven't watched it yet but know a few spoilers. The whole five villains and not six is pretty annoying and you say it would be called a sinister six film isn't the best counterargument.

Things throughout marketing over the years have been hidden as such so it wouldn't be a complete no for a curveball to thrown out of nowhere.

Nwh: It was never meant to be a Sinister 6 film because it was a tribute to Spider-Mans extensive cinematic history. There's only 5 non MCU Spiderman Films. If we got an Amazing Spiderman 3, then yeah, it'd be a Sinister 6 film, but that never happened. That's not the fault of NWH, that's more of the fault on Sony and their mishandling of Spidey in the past.

Spoiler: no way home full movie plot

let’s not forget that they literally didn’t even advertise this as a villains film the first trailer. It was marketed as a multiverse film with cameos here and there form villains. They weren’t even implied to be teaming up.

Hell they don’t even team up in the film. They all show up to the final fight at random ass times. They weren’t working as a team.Doc Oct wasn’t even a villain in this something they made abundantly clear. Especially with the curing the villains plot.


It may seem stupid, but Sony literally wouldn’t hide the sinister six. People really must not have watched the Andrew Garfield films, where there was like no sinister six setup and then Sony said

“here’s six villains, half of which don’t even exist in this universe, but we want you to know the sinister six are coming!”

So I still don’t get how the marketing comes across as a sinister six film. The only Fight scene we saw in trailers was the bridge and a glimpse at the Statue of Liberty.

Also snake, your literally judging something you haven’t seen, so you can’t say I’m invalidating your points, when you can’t invalidate mine. This movie is literally ripped straight from the biggest and most notable spiderman stories.

The villains themselves literally didn’t even market it as a sinister six film, they said they each got a new story which is why they came back, since it added more depth to their characters. The film literally became about curing them. Which fits perfectly with the character and story they were adapting.

If they were going to be a sinister six, you can bet everything that they wouldn’t stop shoving that fact
Down our throats. They love spoiling everything in the marketing. The only reason they didn’t this time was because Feige stepped in.

When it comes to The general issues you mentioned with spiderman. His life always ****ing sucks, because he has to sacrifice everything for the greater good. So your issues should be with marvel comics, not the handling of the villains.This movie sets to adapt the source material to heart, something a lot of fans wanted. You are totally free to dislike this take on the film and character, but you can’t ignore that it’s directly inspired by source material.

 

[Megadoomer]

So I’m other words, you’ve never read a spiderman comic before?

Also about that last part:

Spoiler: mild no way hom spoiler that was literally in marketing

They showed you five villains in marketing. It was stupid for people to thing that a sinister six movie would not only not be called a sinister six movie, but that it would also hide the last member.

Thats not how marketing works. If it was a sinister six film, it would have been labeled as such.

Regarding the part in spoiler tags, I'm reminded of this page from the Superior Foes of Spider-Man:

Spoiler

Therefore, the secret sixth member of the Sinister Six is Dormammu!

(maybe there were plans to make Tom Hardy's Venom the sixth member, but there wasn't enough time (or it was already tough to fit five villains in as it is) and they only appeared in a mid-credits scene? It would be understandable why the character would be left out of the advertising if they wound up having a bigger role than what they actually got in the movie, considering that it's meant to be a mid-credits plot twist in Venom: Let There Be Carnage, which was fairly recent)

Also, marketing can be weird some times - they left Superman out of the marketing for the Justice League movie until it released, even though pretty much everyone knew that Superman was going to be in it.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Wait Rhino was in the films?

Amazing Spider-Man 2

 

[Z25]

Regarding the part in spoiler tags, I'm reminded of this page from the Superior Foes of Spider-Man:

Spoiler

Therefore, the secret sixth member of the Sinister Six is Dormammu!

(maybe there were plans to make Tom Hardy's Venom the sixth member, but there wasn't enough time (or it was already tough to fit five villains in as it is) and they only appeared in a mid-credits scene? It would be understandable why the character would be left out of the advertising even if they wound up having a bigger role than what they actually got in the movie, considering that it's meant to be a mid-credits plot twist in Venom: Let There Be Carnage, which was fairly recent)

Spoiler

Venom is possible, but at the same time, I think he would be a solo film. Venom did numbers at the box office, they could easily milk a Tom hardy film for big bucks.

Plus Tom hardy said he filmed both those scenes on the set of no way home.So I thinking teasing a venom Tom hardy meeting for down the line and setting the symboite up may have been the plan all along.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I dont like the Venom scene, feels like some serious blueballs.

 

[TheMightyP]

This is a movie that exists

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Spoiler: no way home full movie plot

let’s not forget that they literally didn’t even advertise this as a villains film the first trailer. It was marketed as a multiverse film with cameos here and there form villains. They weren’t even implied to be teaming up.

Hell they don’t even team up in the film. They all show up to the final fight at random ass times. They weren’t working as a team.Doc Oct wasn’t even a villain in this something they made abundantly clear. Especially with the curing the villains plot.


It may seem stupid, but Sony literally wouldn’t hide the sinister six. People really must not have watched the Andrew Garfield films, where there was like no sinister six setup and then Sony said

“here’s six villains, half of which don’t even exist in this universe, but we want you to know the sinister six are coming!”

So I still don’t get how the marketing comes across as a sinister six film. The only Fight scene we saw in trailers was the bridge and a glimpse at the Statue of Liberty.

Also snake, your literally judging something you haven’t seen, so you can’t say I’m invalidating your points, when you can’t invalidate mine. This movie is literally ripped straight from the biggest and most notable spiderman stories.

The villains themselves literally didn’t even market it as a sinister six film, they said they each got a new story which is why they came back, since it added more depth to their characters. The film literally became about curing them. Which fits perfectly with the character and story they were adapting.

If they were going to be a sinister six, you can bet everything that they wouldn’t stop shoving that fact
Down our throats. They love spoiling everything in the marketing. The only reason they didn’t this time was because Feige stepped in.

When it comes to The general issues you mentioned with spiderman. His life always ****ing sucks, because he has to sacrifice everything for the greater good. So your issues should be with marvel comics, not the handling of the villains.This movie sets to adapt the source material to heart, something a lot of fans wanted. You are totally free to dislike this take on the film and character, but you can’t ignore that it’s directly inspired by source material.

Which is why, in my original post, i said "I read the plot summary and was like "oh yeah, I don't like Marvel".
The Sinister Six thing was supposed to be a joke complaint. But honestly since it's blown up. You're really gonna sit here and tell me that we're all supposed to see a trailer for a spider-man movie with 5 villains in it and not make the connection to the sinister six? Like... people have brains. They use them. And i'm not gonna blame people for using their brains. I'm gonna blame the people who somehow made that trailer and didn't think people would be mislead. We are not stupid for seeing five Spider-Man villains and thinking of the Sinister Six. The people making the movie should have thought of that.
And if that's what always happens in Spider-Man stories then I am justified in not liking him or Marvel comics. Sacrifice is one thing but if he's constantly giving his all for the greater good and rewarded with nothing but jack and **** and suffering then IMO that is not a satisfying or compelling story to read. I don't care if it's comic accurate. I wouldn't like it in the comics. I wouldn't like it in the films. And it's why, again, at the top I said, "I read the plot summary and was like "oh yeah, I don't like Marvel". I don't care if it's directly inspired by the source material! If you make a turd sandwich you don't get shielded from criticism of it because you followed the recipe! It's an over-exaggerated analogy. Obviously spider-man isn't a turd sandwich. But I'm trying to make a point. I don't want to watch a movie where that happens. I'm not going to watch a movie where that happens. It's not a fun or interesting or enjoyable thing to watch happen in a movie. I don't have to be in a car crash to know it's an unpleasant experience.

Also, who cares if it's big and notable. I'm fairly plugged into comic discourse and from what I can gather most people hate One More Day. So why would you adapt it, even in spirit?

Overall I'm just tired of Marvel. I'm not gonna watch any of their ****ing movies. I won't read their ****ing comics. I won't play their ****ing games or watch their ****ing shows. I'm sick of it and I'm done with it.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

You know it just occured to me that they really should have waited a few more months to release this movie so that it landed on the 20th anniversary of the first theatrical Spiderman film.

 

[TheMightyP]

All these essays bruh I just like Spider-Man.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

I like Spider-Man and his rouges.

Spidey PS4 was one of the biggest surprises of a game I've ever played. I've only seen a Marvel film once before in the cinema. I like crossovers.

That is reason enough for me.

This is a movie that exists
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Just a reminder that Disney made this spin-off for.............reasons:

 

[Lamperouge]

Just finished watching Venom: Let There Be Carnage.

I wouldn't call it a "good" movie by any stretch but I had a lot of fun watching it, mostly because of the amusing banter between Eddie and Venom. Carnage felt hella weak, though. Should've saved him for when Spider-Man was available and canned the love interest.

btw Venom and Eddie is best romance of 2021

 

[Hadokeyblade]

All these essays bruh I just like Spider-Man.

The general public who dont actually care about the Marvel universe at large be like.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Finished 8-Bit Christmas

Very good I must say. Pretty funny too.

 

[Z25]

Which is why, in my original post, i said "I read the plot summary and was like "oh yeah, I don't like Marvel".
The Sinister Six thing was supposed to be a joke complaint. But honestly since it's blown up. You're really gonna sit here and tell me that we're all supposed to see a trailer for a spider-man movie with 5 villains in it and not make the connection to the sinister six? Like... people have brains. They use them. And i'm not gonna blame people for using their brains. I'm gonna blame the people who somehow made that trailer and didn't think people would be mislead. We are not stupid for seeing five Spider-Man villains and thinking of the Sinister Six. The people making the movie should have thought of that.
And if that's what always happens in Spider-Man stories then I am justified in not liking him or Marvel comics. Sacrifice is one thing but if he's constantly giving his all for the greater good and rewarded with nothing but jack and **** and suffering then IMO that is not a satisfying or compelling story to read. I don't care if it's comic accurate. I wouldn't like it in the comics. I wouldn't like it in the films. And it's why, again, at the top I said, "I read the plot summary and was like "oh yeah, I don't like Marvel". I don't care if it's directly inspired by the source material! If you make a turd sandwich you don't get shielded from criticism of it because you followed the recipe! It's an over-exaggerated analogy. Obviously spider-man isn't a turd sandwich. But I'm trying to make a point. I don't want to watch a movie where that happens. I'm not going to watch a movie where that happens. It's not a fun or interesting or enjoyable thing to watch happen in a movie. I don't have to be in a car crash to know it's an unpleasant experience.

Also, who cares if it's big and notable. I'm fairly plugged into comic discourse and from what I can gather most people hate One More Day. So why would you adapt it, even in spirit?

Overall I'm just tired of Marvel. I'm not gonna watch any of their ****ing movies. I won't read their ****ing comics. I won't play their ****ing games or watch their ****ing shows. I'm sick of it and I'm done with it.

Spoiler: no way home big plot spoilers

Maybe that’s a fair point on the five, but there were genuine debates that they didn’t have six members in this film. Which were also fair points.

It’s like Mephisto in wandavision. Everyone was like “omg he has to be in this” a bunch of things pointed to him being in it and then it wasn’t him in the show at all.

Marvel fans should know that despite how things may seem and the stories the choose to adapt; there will always be differences, and we can’t just assume things are going to happen. So I personally went into this film knowing it was likely not a sinister six film and that because it’s Sony, Venom was absolutely in the post credits because no outlet reported on him or a sixth villain actually being cast in this.

If a bunch of actors leak from sources like deadline or variety, and they don’t list so and so actor or character as being in something, they likely won’t be. So when they only had five villains noted, it was imo obvious that’s all we were getting.

As for one more day, yes it’s decisive, but it’s not even the biggest inspiration here. They pulled from the classic struggles of Peter, such as being poor as ****, despite helping the avengers from time to time; killing aunt may, because it’s obligatory that at one point or another Peter basically loses everyone, dealing with his identity unwilling being out there, but in a similar vein to civil war(comics), Peter still carrying on the legacy of those he cares about while remaining someone who can rely on his own skills. Even when it comes to making homemade suits, rather then a billionaire giving him one. All of these are major traits that the character never had in the mcu.

So many fans complained about this and repeatedly asked Sony to make these changes. So now they finally are and a majority of the fanbase are excited to see him go through what a real spiderman should go through.

 

[MooMew64]

Noipoi

the king gathers info on foes that would threaten his kingdom

 

[TheMightyP]

The general public who dont actually care about the Marvel universe at large be like.

A.K.A. normal people with a good life

 

[MooMew64]

A.K.A. normal people with a good life

what r those

 

[TheMightyP]

what r those

Rumors have it that deleting your Smashboards account makes you experience that. I gotta test it out someday.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I think tonight will be a self care night

anxiety be getting me messed up so I need that

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

A.K.A. normal people with a good life

You wanna go bro? I may not be normal but at least I'm somewhat intelligent..............I think.

Messing by the way. Think we are cool with each other.

The general public who dont actually care about the Marvel universe at large be like.

People just want to see the "things, excitement and explosions!". All of this debate is for people like us who don't have much of social IRL lives..........or so they say.

 

[TheMightyP]

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You wanna go bro? I may not be normal but at least I'm somewhat intelligent..............I think.

Intlelligent people don't make Smashboards accounts.

Don't question the irony.

 

[MooMew64]

Intlelligent people don't make Smashboards accounts.

can confirm, i have an account here

 

[skylanders fan]

Spoiler: No way home spoiler

I know everyone was so excited about all the villains and the other spiderman showing up but can we talk about how Matt Murdock is back in the MCU. I’m super excited to see what they do with him if he gets another show or shows up in stuff like she hulk

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

Intlelligent people don't make Smashboards accounts.

Don't question the irony.

Intelligent people would rather make/use a Smashboards account than a Facebook account. Therefore we are slightly more intelligent than FB users.

Actual intelligent people would communicate via carrier pigeon, smoke signals and yodelling.

Then you have the rich ******* who got all of his friends to meet IRL across the world but is too introverted to make an announcement. Then the one who he thought was a she was a he judging by the pfp and is now having an existential crisis.

 

[MooMew64]

Actual intelligent people would communicate via carrier pigeon, smoke signals and yodelling.

wait maybe i am intelligent, this is how i communicate with my cats

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

wait maybe i am intelligent, this is how i communicate with my cats

FINALLY! Someone else who uses carrier pigeon!

I thought I was alone!