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[Seikend]

So I've started playing competitive gen 5.

Sup.

I'll probably be pestering you guys every now and then when I've got questions. Just playing friends atm until I've found a base for a team I'm happy with.

 

[Asdioh]

So I've started playing competitive gen 5.

Sup.

Welcome!

Not like I come here often at all or anything.

Anyway guyz I was looking at pokemon online's usage statistics for Dream World tier, and I looked at Hitmonlee and Azelf specifically because I use them on my team.
Azelf: http://91.121.73.228/Dream World/482.html the #2 set is exactly what I use
Hitmonlee: http://91.121.73.228/Dream World/106.html the #4 set is exactly what I use. Both under the "regular" section, not leads.

I just thought it was funny.

By the way, why does nobody use Safeguard? That move is BEAST.

 

[Wave⁂]

Most Pokemon prefer to run Rest, as it does basically the same thing. There are exceptions, like Calm Mind / Recover / Dragon Pulse / Refresh or Safeguard Latias in gen IV, which was known for being able to set up on Toxic Blissey.

The obvious reason is that you can just carry something like Reuniclus, Gliscor, Heatran, Breloom, Conkeldurr that can absorb status.

 

[Asdioh]

The obvious reason is that you can just carry something like Reuniclus, Gliscor, Heatran, Breloom, Conkeldurr that can absorb status.

That makes sense. I have a Zebstrika that absorbs Spore, leech seed, etc.

Still, using Safeguard and then setting up with my Scizor or Hitmonlee without fear of being burned or paralyzed is pretty awesome.

 

[Asdioh]

>playing pokemon online
>get an opponent named Mr Unknown who has like 3 spectators join because he was apparently number 1 on the ladder at some point
>he makes fun of my "trash" team
>he loses

 

[Blaziking17]

^That is what I call a good day for you, Asdioh!

Put his money where is mouth was, and his mouth failed him! smh*facepalm

 

[Wave⁂]

I hope you took a screenshot

 

[Seikend]

Asdiohhhh Why are you everywhere?

Any chance you could tell me who you are on PO as well so I can stalk watch you play?

Not confident enough to play anyone until I've found a team I liked so I spend most of my time watching games .__.;

 

[Asdioh]

"Asdioh"

watching me play isn't a good idea, as I make terrible teams on purpose.

idk, my "pro" opponents make fun of my bad teams, but they fail to realize that MY metagame is to build crappy teams designed to counter the popular OU pokemon. Like, he mostly made fun of Zebstrika because it sucks, but it has Sap Sipper and counters a lot of the popular grass types.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Zebstrika has Sap Sipper? o.0

 

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Grass types are popular?

 

[The Real Gamer]

Sure they are Grass types have Ferrothorn, Breloom... Jarooda....... Virizion.............. Venusaur...................... Tropius.................................. Do people still use Celebi?

Yeah never mind

 

[Asdioh]

http://91.121.73.228/Dream World/index.html #2 and #4 are grass types. Ferrothorn and Breloom, I see them allll the time. Zebstrika is not only immune to Spore/Leech seed/etc, but it gets +1 attack every time a grass type move hits it. It also learns Flame Charge which is super useful against Ferrothorn (and some of the other 4x fire weak pokemon, though not as often)

My thoughts on Zebstrika:
-it's cool.
-it's stats are ok... 116 base speed is awesome, 100 base attack is meh, defenses suck.
-it's abilities either grant it immunity to electric or grass, which is great.
-it's movepool suuuuucks.

It would be AMAZING if it could learn Swords Dance and/or Baton Pass. But yeah, it's alright.

 

[Firus]

Zebstrika has Sap Sipper? o.0

Yeah, its Dream World ability is Sap Sipper.

 

[Wave⁂]

http://91.121.73.228/Dream World/index.html #2 and #4 are grass types. Ferrothorn and Breloom, I see them allll the time. Zebstrika is not only immune to Spore/Leech seed/etc, but it gets +1 attack every time a grass type move hits it. It also learns Flame Charge which is super useful against Ferrothorn (and some of the other 4x fire weak pokemon, though not as often)

My thoughts on Zebstrika:
-it's cool.
-it's stats are ok... 116 base speed is awesome, 100 base attack is meh, defenses suck.
-it's abilities either grant it immunity to electric or grass, which is great.
-it's movepool suuuuucks.

It would be AMAZING if it could learn Swords Dance and/or Baton Pass. But yeah, it's alright.

Your post implied that there's more than one Grass-type. Unless Zebstrika is secretly also a Ghost-type, I don't see how it can handle Breloom. Flame Charge probably 2-3HKOs Ferrothorn, while you take a ton of recoil from Iron Barbs.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I wouldn't necessarily call Sap Sipper Zebtricka a legit answer for Breloom seeing as how it will still take a pretty nasty hit from a LO Mach Punch thanks to low defenses. Sap Sipper will definitely catch people off guard though.

Pretty cool if you're into gimmicks I guess.

EDIT: Ninja'd

 

[Asdioh]

Your post implied that there's more than one Grass-type. Unless Zebstrika is secretly also a Ghost-type, I don't see how it can handle Breloom. Flame Charge probably 2-3HKOs Ferrothorn, while you take a ton of recoil from Iron Barbs.

What does the bolded mean?

Anyway, here's the thing. Using crappy pokemon is obviously a risk. If I switch in on Spore, I get +1 attack. If I have a Choice Band, a Return will 1hko Breloom. Even if Breloom mach punches, it won't 1hko me (without a crit)

If I switch in on Swords Dance Technician Breloom, I'm screwed. That rarely happens though.

If I switch in on Power Whip/Leech Seed from Ferrothorn, a Choice Band Flame Charge should probably 2hko it. It's obviously not a hard counter, and barely a check, but it's fun and works because of the surprise factor.

I'm currently testing out Flame Charge/Return/Wild Charge/Thunder Wave with Life Orb. My opponents often switch into Ground types (usually garchomp or gliscor -_-) when they see me, so if I use Flame Charge i'll be faster than a Scarfed Garchomp. Not that it really matters since Return will only take like 1/3 of its health.
Thunder Wave is fun, anyway.

I wouldn't necessarily call Sap Sipper Zebtricka a legit answer for Breloom seeing as how it will still take a pretty nasty hit from a LO Mach Punch thanks to low defenses. Sap Sipper will definitely catch people off guard though.

Pretty cool if you're into gimmicks I guess.

EDIT: Ninja'd

Yay gimmicks!

 

[Wave⁂]

Why Return? It provides literally no coverage. Are there no other options?

 

[IsmaR]

Double Kick, and uhh...Pursuit. You're better off running Overheat to get rid of bulky Grass/Steel types. Me First is situational, but cool for stuff trying to EQ you.

 

[Asdioh]

Double Kick, and uhh...Pursuit. You're better off running Overheat to get rid of bulky Grass/Steel types. Me First is situational, but cool for stuff trying to EQ you.

Yeah, I've had Double Kick but bleh. I haven't really tried Pursuit on Zebra, but I've never really seen a point in it. I tried Overheat a long time ago, but it's special attack, without STAB, is just too low to do anything. I actually never thought of Me First, and never fully understood it until I just looked it up now. That actually sounds reaaalllyy useful .....

Though I do have Flamethrower on my golem lead, lol. Destroys Forretresses xD

 

[IsmaR]

Pursuit seemed to fit the nature of a Choice'd mon, and could get some free KO's on fleeing things like a Grass type locked into/with no other moves to hit you with(like Sub-Seed Serperior). Overheat is using its meh 80 Sp. Atk, but with some investment it'll do more damage than even a boosted Flame Charge would ever do. At the least it'll be more useful than Flamethrower on a Golem, lol.

If nothing else, run Volt Change with the Life Orb set, or Quick Attack to finish off weakened stuff. Spreading status would be more useful on things like Thundurus.

 

[Asdioh]

Hmm. Wild Charge, Volt Switch, Quick Attack, Overheat?

What kind of EVs am I looking at? Thinking Naive nature (+speed, -special defense) would be best.

edit: just saw you said "or" quick attack. So Return instead of QA? Or Me First for maximum trolling?
I'll try stuff out.

I don't understand why it can learn Flame Charge/Overheat, but not Sunny day
..but apparently it can learn rain dance. :|

 

[Wave⁂]

Quick Attack sucks, Zebstrika's already got a beastly Speed stat. Also, again, **** coverage. Overheat / Flame Charge is pretty much necessary to deal with Ferrothorn. Me First is an interesting idea, I guess, but you'll probably end up Earthquaking a lot of Gliscors.

 

[IsmaR]

GF is still convinced the ultimate goal of all Electric types is to set up Rain Dance+Thunder spam, hence an eel/sea lamprey based Pokemon not getting any other water attack. Yet gets Flamethrower. :l

And basically mix and match to suit your team's needs. If you need a revenge killer, Choice Band/Sap Sipper/Quick Attack+Pursuit+Volt Switch make sense, to get in, do damage, and/or predict/quickly get out. Jolly is good enough for that set unless you're more concerned with your power output, in which case Adamant works.

A mixed sweeper would go better with Naive, up to you whether to do as much damage or take out specific threats(Return vs Overheat), or set up(switch into Grass/use Flame Charge, etc.). Me First is up in the air, gets screwed over by priority/things that resists whatever you throw out(Flygon using EQ for example), but could mindgame the **** out of something like Excadrill, save it holding an Air Balloon.

Edit: Or ninja'd, pretty much. So how 'bout them social...things?

 

[Asdioh]

Quick Attack sucks, Zebstrika's already got a beastly Speed stat. Also, again, **** coverage. Overheat / Flame Charge is pretty much necessary to deal with Ferrothorn. Me First is an interesting idea, I guess, but you'll probably end up Earthquaking a lot of Gliscors.

Well I'm obviously not gonna use it against gliscor

GF is still convinced the ultimate goal of all Electric types is to set up Rain Dance+Thunder spam, hence an eel/sea lamprey based Pokemon not getting any other water attack. Yet gets Flamethrower. :l

haha.

And basically mix and match to suit your team's needs. If you need a revenge killer, Choice Band/Sap Sipper/Quick Attack+Pursuit+Volt Switch make sense, to get in, do damage, and/or predict/quickly get out. Jolly is good enough for that set unless you're more concerned with your power output, in which case Adamant works.

A mixed sweeper would go better with Naive, up to you whether to do as much damage or take out specific threats(Return vs Overheat), or set up(switch into Grass/use Flame Charge, etc.). Me First is up in the air, gets screwed over by priority/things that resists whatever you throw out(Flygon using EQ for example), but could mindgame the **** out of something like Excadrill, save it holding an Air Balloon.

Edit: Or ninja'd, pretty much. So how 'bout them social...things?

I already have a Hitmonlee with Mach Punch and a Scizor with BP, so I should be alright with priority.

What freaks me out is that I NEVER see Zebstrika used by my opponents. But after talking to you guys about it... I just played TWO people that use it o_O

So far, Volt Switch is doing pretty well. It actually did a good chunk of damage to a guy's random Aggron.


Let's say I want to set up Light Screen and Safeguard with a pokemon. Who should I use? I tried Azelf, and it works fairly well, though it's fragile. I'm testing out Uxie, and it works alright, though it's slow. Anyone else you think I should try? Cresselia?

And yeah, using Bulk Up with Hitmonlee behind a light screen + safeguard is hella fun.

Speaking of Hitmonlee... Adamant nature, with max speed and attack. Unburden. Fight Gem. Bulk Up/HJK/Mach Punch... and the last move is a filler, and hard to decide. I've tried Stone Edge/Rock Slide, and Blaze kick. I switched to BK because my opponents sometimes bring in that Golurk guy. Then as soon as I switched to BK, I remembered that Mr. Pringles (the water/ghost thing) exists. What do? Pursuit would be nice, but it's too weak against stuff that isn't switching out.


edit: Zebra just Earthquaked a nidoqueen, aww yeahh

 

[Wave⁂]

Hitmonlee can't win. Without a strong Dark- or Ghost-type move, he'll always be walled by something. Have you considered Fling? Or dropping Mach Punch? Definitely go with Rock-type coverage, though.

 

[Asdioh]

Or Foresight? :mistyface:

But man Hitmonlee is so much cooler than Conkelderp. The best part is that nobody expects him to use Bulk Up, because his defense sucks and stuff. When people see hitmonlee, they think fake out + normal gem. They'll often switch in a ghost. This is when I use Bulk Up. Keep in mind I'm usually doing this behind a light screen and/or safeguard so they can't burn me, and with Hitmonlee's high SpD, special attacks do crap damage. If he uses a +1 Fight Gem Hi Jump Kick, that 1hkos... practically anything lol.

 

[Spire]

Whoa Asdioh is in here.

What's up dude.

 

[Asdioh]

Not much. I only play pokemon online when I'm bored.... which is often. So I have a lot of experience, just with crappy teams lol

 

[Wave⁂]

RNG your teams for the lulz

 

[Asdioh]

I did that once. I got

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

Man the PC is so dead compared to like a year ago O_O. Where'd everyone go...

 

[JOE!]

I killed them with my opinions that made them ragequit

 

[Wrath`]

Man the PC is so dead compared to like a year ago O_O. Where'd everyone go...

Well it is summer and well after the leaving of many, eh maybe a magical new group of people will appear?

 

[Wave⁂]

Many people interested in Pokemon or this sub-forum anymore, that's about it.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Missing an "aren't".

 

[Wave⁂]

bluh **** my life

 

[Firus]

Many people interested in Pokemon or this sub-forum anymore, that's about it.

Yeah, something like that.

People are always filtering in and out here though, I'm sure some new activity will pick up here even if the regulars have all become busy with other things.

 

[flyinfilipino]

I'm sure all the old regulars are still lurking around.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

bluh **** my life

We're Asian, so whatevs.