jjvirus
Smash Champion
I couldn't submit that many votes :'(
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The [Shocking] Official R.O.B. Video Critique Thread
- Thread starter Shockdrake
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JCaesar
Smash Hero
I agree, but I want all the top pros that don't frequent the ROB boards there too. 5 votes was just not enough.
Landry
Smash Ace
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I wouldn't worry about it too much guys. With these first votes we'll pick the top 5/6ish panelists, but after that I'm planning on doing a wild card round to select the rest. If you guys (like me) think Shockdrake deserves to be there then wait it out for the wild card round and you'll be able to put him there.
Sudai
Stuff here
Mainly, we should take talk of the conference call back to the conference call thread. ; )
GwJ
Smash Hero
Shockdrake, I really appreciate your your critique. Also, I just Fullhop Fair because of Wifi. Doesn't happen in offline.
jjvirus
Smash Champion
Shockdrake, if you can, hold off on my critique. I just played a game thats more recent (duh) and I'd say is more up to date. So wait a lil plz? 
Unless you want to critique it, go for it.
Unless you want to critique it, go for it.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
Fullhop fair is useful. I didn't watch the vids but don't write it off like it's a horrid tactic.
It's more situational then like, laser spam
but it's a lot more useful then like, Side B .I love Fullhop Fair.
jjvirus
Smash Champion
This isn't the vid I was talking about, but it works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V6QKnXHUU0
JJvirus vs Kawaii Poyo (AIB Ladder Match MD to MD)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V6QKnXHUU0
JJvirus vs Kawaii Poyo (AIB Ladder Match MD to MD)
ZOM~B
Smash Journeyman
JJ, don't recover mid vs MK. Recover ultrahigh, or go really low next to the stage and come straight up. In the first situation you have to dodge his juggle game... and in the second you have to space an uair properly. But it's better than getting shuttle looped!
OH, and your defensive strategy on the ground seems to be almost solely spotdodge... shielding is your friend against MK. A good/offline MK will punish spotdodges and airdodges like nothing...
OH, and your defensive strategy on the ground seems to be almost solely spotdodge... shielding is your friend against MK. A good/offline MK will punish spotdodges and airdodges like nothing...
CJTHeroofTime
Smash Lord
That was a thoughtless action on my part...
Multihit dair? Is it multihit?
Yes. Will do.
I tried. 3rd jab didnt come out...
Most definitely. I fail at tilts sometimes.
And you still made a massive amount of tips... Thanks so much.
Just out of curiousity... How long do I have to wait before I can use this servise again? On Saturday M2K's going to the same tourney as me, and Imma mm him(itll probably cost me more than Id like to pay
lol) and I was going to record the matches. I understand if you'd like me to wait, as you are doing this all out of charity. But I figured maybe if I played a good mk, let alone the best MK, you would really be able to see where my flaws are at.Thanks again!
[SPOILERShockdrake for mod[/SPOILER]
Shockdrake
Smash Cadet
You can post a new one every 2-3 days, but it can anytime really. The restriction is in case there are too many.Just out of curiousity... How long do I have to wait before I can use this servise again? On Saturday M2K's going to the same tourney as me, and Imma mm him(itll probably cost me more than Id like to pay
If it's against M2K, you can post a new one in the next minute.
And jj, I'll look at that tonight. Check back tomorrow?
jjvirus
Smash Champion
Ok :D Thx ^_^
Shockdrake
Smash Cadet
The trip at 1:08: Against an MK, anything you do usually gets you hurt. You did the best thing possible here. A roll behind or getup would have been dsmashed. A getup attack wouldn't have reached. Roll away was the best choice, and you did it, but... it's still really bad, because MK can chase and do anything. He didn't though... so it was okay here. MK's trip-punish game is horribly good. That's why his dtilt is so horribly good. This paragraph doesn't really tell you anything except that if you trip and the MK is ready, you're in for more hurt, but the amount of hurt can change. In general, stay away from any choice that allows MK to dsmash. Your roll away here was, once again, good. Lesser of five million evils. And in your case, you got away with no damage because MK wasn't ready.
I'm pretty sure MK fair zoning beats your fsmash. Both moves come out fast, but MK can weave in and out with fair, while you're stuck in the same spot. You'll get hit with his fair in your fsmash lag more often than you'll hit him. I'd recommend more of a reacting game. MK is the best char for punishing move lag. In the situations where you were fsmashing, the only moves that had any chance of hitting him were fsmash and ftilt. By react game, I mean not using any move, but perhaps ftilting him after he tries to zone with fair. MK fair = walk away slightly and ftilt.
Walk away is still one of the best things to do. ROB sucks in his shield. His OOS options are extremely limited. If you get caught in your shield, MK can hammer aerials at you and then follow up with ftilt or dtilt after his lagless landings. I think it happened to you a lot, and you spotdodge dsmash'd like crazy when it did. If you can walk away enough and avoid the attack altogether, you have all your options still open, especially ftilt. Personally, I think ftilt is the best thing in ROB's arsenal versus MK.
You use a ton of fsmash as spacing. But a lot of the time, MK was sitting in ftilt range.
An MK on the ledge = walk away and ftilt when he comes back up. If he comes up with tornado, shield or dash away as fast as you can > shield.
So many ROBs utilt and then keep utilting. Stop the utilt and you can almost always chain something onto it, whether the opponent is getting hit by the weak side hit or the main hitbox. Whenever I see a ROB land an utilt and not uair immediately, it almost always ends with a missed utilt > reset situation or ROB gets hit. Especially with the weak side hit, utilt > jab cancel > dtilt > ftilt/grab/fsmash is really good.
You had a lot of random moves out. You were trying to predict dashes or something, and so you fsmashed, or you were trying to ward off an aerial (?) so you SH/FH fair'd randomly. A lot of the damage MK put on you was done when you were stuck in random-move-lag.
I'll have to expand on this later. I think the above paragraphs are still a little jumbled. And I haven't addressed a lot of the video yet either.
jjvirus
Smash Champion
I camp with SH/Fairs (the random ones) am I not supposed to do that...?
Shockdrake
Smash Cadet
I'm pretty sure MK fair can hit your fair with his own (you extend a hitbox out). So it would only help if... 1) He jumps into you, or 2) He's trying to approach out of a dash. A weaving ftilt seems to be safer if you want to hold your ground. An fair camp seems to be safer only when you retreat it quite a bit so that it both covers MK's dash and avoids his fair. But then you lose ground. And you don't want to be pushed offstage versus an MK.
GwJ
Smash Hero
Shockdrake, actually on the subject of MK on the ledge, a better choice in some cases if MK 'nados up would be to walk away Fsmash, because ROB's FSmash hits through the nado. It depends on percentage. It could be an easy kill if MK does that.
Shockdrake
Smash Cadet
The only thing I don't like about that is it's not reliable. It's hard to time, and it's not always going to work unless you're perfect.
If your first instinct is to dash away when you see a tornado, you take no damage and either you get to punish the small lag afterwards or MK has to approach again. Either way, it's better than getting popped up and having your underside exposed. Dash away > shield also lets you shield with more strength if you're caught.
You can try fsmashing in these cases if you want, but I just think there are better options.
If your first instinct is to dash away when you see a tornado, you take no damage and either you get to punish the small lag afterwards or MK has to approach again. Either way, it's better than getting popped up and having your underside exposed. Dash away > shield also lets you shield with more strength if you're caught.
You can try fsmashing in these cases if you want, but I just think there are better options.
Deadweight
Smash Ace
Me vs Gmoney(Falco)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__pye_e2UJQ
Me vs Gmoney (Wario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpx8lE2GQCY&feature=channel
Heres two more...
I no so little about the matchups so any comments would be cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__pye_e2UJQ
Me vs Gmoney (Wario)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpx8lE2GQCY&feature=channel
Heres two more...
I no so little about the matchups so any comments would be cool
Shockdrake
Smash Cadet
Sorry... finals study week. I'll slip your critique in if I have time.
Deadweight
Smash Ace
No probs, i just had my last final today...T__T
Take ur time no rush ;d
jjvirus
Smash Champion
Wait...you finished with my critique? I thought you had more comments you wanted to say on it....o_o
Shockdrake
Smash Cadet
Yeah I'm not done with yours yet.
I feel so slow. Sorry.
I feel so slow. Sorry.
CJTHeroofTime
Smash Lord
Why did this get un-stickied?
As for the M2K vid, Im not gonna upload it cuz I gave him my word I would only use it for personal reference. **** my morals. Although I do have a Peach match from that same day that I will upload eventually...
ipitydatfu
Smash Master
noessss. oh wells
GwJ
Smash Hero
I can't stand how M2K doesn't let others upload videos of him playing...
JCaesar
Smash Hero
Meh, who cares? Does everyone really wanna see an MK ****** random people that badly? Soooo boring...
GwJ
Smash Hero
Off topic, but JCaes, how does MK fare in Brawl+? Is he still super-****?
Sudai
Stuff here
We have the thread directory now and though I feel this thread is important, I don't feel it's so important that it should be one of the first things people see when they come in.
JCaesar
Smash Hero
He's been nerfed heavily, but he's still arguably the best in the game, but certainly not as stupid powerful as he was in vBrawl, and he actually has some bad matchups now.
I still hate him...
Deadweight
Smash Ace
Did shockdrake Die :O
GwJ
Smash Hero
Not by accident, I can say. I killed him.
Shockdrake
Smash Cadet
Lol, I'm in the middle of finals weeks.
I'm just checking the board every now and then when I'm taking breaks to see if any new ROB techs were discovered. And then I log back off.
Deadweight
Smash Ace
Bump in hopes that shocks finals are over :O
ZOM~B
Smash Journeyman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJFpFGe1654
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d-3YdQabQE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bceneFHdJYM
Seeing as these are my only recent videos, I'd like a critique if you get a chance.
Hope finals went well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d-3YdQabQE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bceneFHdJYM
Seeing as these are my only recent videos, I'd like a critique if you get a chance.
Hope finals went well.
Deadweight
Smash Ace
ill give a bit of advice, (If no one minds 
)
When your recovering at or above stage level, you seem to like fastfalling a nair hoping that the awkward hit box will keep them off of you. If the MK has had any RoB experience, they can catch the enormous lag on nair and punish. It happened a few times in videos 1 and 3, just something to think about Any other matchup and you'd be ok but MK can punish you off stage like no one else
)When your recovering at or above stage level, you seem to like fastfalling a nair hoping that the awkward hit box will keep them off of you. If the MK has had any RoB experience, they can catch the enormous lag on nair and punish. It happened a few times in videos 1 and 3, just something to think about
Any other matchup and you'd be ok but MK can punish you off stage like no one else
ZOM~B
Smash Journeyman
True, but if you let him get close he can just force an airdodge and punish that... to me with MK it seems more like lose lose than anything else...ill give a bit of advice, (If no one minds
When your recovering at or above stage level, you seem to like fastfalling a nair hoping that the awkward hit box will keep them off of you. If the MK has had any RoB experience, they can catch the enormous lag on nair and punish. It happened a few times in videos 1 and 3, just something to think about
Deadweight
Smash Ace
This is why you recover reallllly high above the stage out of his reach or Reallly low with an uair
Mix it up
stingers
Smash Obsessed
with MK, you want to recover high. if that's not an option, then press your luck and recover from directly understage. but, ONLY uair when you see him approaching you. uairing early just gets you daired. uairing late also gets you daired. but our uair outranges his dair so as long as you time it right, you're good.
edit: beat by deadweight x_x **** you!
edit: beat by deadweight x_x **** you!
ZOM~B
Smash Journeyman
I think you guys have only watched the first vid? :x I do a much better job recovering in the second two. Yoshi's is so small I've started to ban it against MKs. Can't go under the stage... they can chase you anywhere, giant platform stops landings... I really hate it in the matchup.
GwJ
Smash Hero
I always recover low against MK's. I don't mean kinda low, I'm mean low enough that I'm in the magnifying glass of the blast-zone so that I can Uair my way back up to the ledge, and every time I make it back. There might be videos from my tourney last weekend to show this.