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I've 2 stocked azen/chu/PC/vidjogamer. Zelda DEFINITELY beats marth/ICs/falco/peach.
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the secret zelda strats discussionzone
- Thread starter Cosmo!
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I've 2 stocked azen/chu/PC/vidjogamer. Zelda DEFINITELY beats marth/ICs/falco/peach.
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This
I kept getting ***** by random shieldpokes, such bull****.
I think the matchup isn't bad for DK on Stadium, DL64, and FD though; much more even.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I still think DK just has to maintain the threat of punch. Light shield is crucial as well. And, of course, Zelda has trouble dealing with capable dash dancing, even in spite of DK's slow dash dance.
pockeystick
Smash Apprentice
I love Yoshi's story its my favorite
pockeystick
Smash Apprentice
How so I find Zelda's dash dance decent.
TheManaLord
Smash Hero
dins fire mixups
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zelda has a legit DD because she can kick out of it either direction on reaction. it's kind of like ganon's, which is also fairly underrated.
zelda's grab sucks, but not by a whole lot, you just can't shieldgrab much (and really, how many characters can?). as a dashgrab though it's surprisingly decent.
zelda's grab sucks, but not by a whole lot, you just can't shieldgrab much (and really, how many characters can?). as a dashgrab though it's surprisingly decent.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I need to go back and study Cosmo's videos seriously now.
GKInfinity
Smash Champion
Yeah same here. He definitely knows what he's doing.
I've been messing with a lot of things I never really bothered to learn before including wavedash out of shield and upsmash out of shield. i'm not really sure what situations are best for upsmash out of shield but so far i've sort of just used it while a character is directly over me after doing an aerial move. Wavedash out of shield seems pretty good for dealing with shield pressure but i haven't played against anyone recently and haven't really incorporated it yet.
Quick question though- How do you buffer a roll after wavelanding onto the stage? That's something else i've wanted to learn how to do
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Buffer the roll during the 4 frame landing lag.
Up-smash out of shield is pretty decent for dealing with space animal shield pressure.
Up-smash out of shield is pretty decent for dealing with space animal shield pressure.
GKInfinity
Smash Champion
oh ok I think I get it. Now to practice it...
Cosmo!
nerf zelda's dsmash
when you press R to waveland, keep holding R. hold the C stick the direction you want to roll. it's that easy.
rolling while you are standing at the ledge is a little predictable so be careful. don't go into autopilot
rolling while you are standing at the ledge is a little predictable so be careful. don't go into autopilot
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Do you guys ever dair/d-tilt -> u-tilt for the KO on floaties? It seems really good, since it works from ~90-130%. That u-tilt is sooo powerful.
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How do you even get hits with dtilt? That hit box is like doesn't exist above the ground
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Shield stab.
GKInfinity
Smash Champion
Yeah dtilt seems hard to hit with. I can almost never get it to shield stab either
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
dtilt is an amazing move
Cosmo!
nerf zelda's dsmash
dtilt is decent
it shield stabs a lot of characters often
doesn't work on some
sometimes ill get kills on defensive falcos by doing empty hop dtilt on their shield into dsmash then edgeguard, etc
it shield stabs a lot of characters often
doesn't work on some
sometimes ill get kills on defensive falcos by doing empty hop dtilt on their shield into dsmash then edgeguard, etc
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dtilt sucks. it's slow, weak, laggy, and leaves you open to ****. zelda dtilt is a great example of a "low tier move" and why low tiers have on average worse attacks than better characters. It's basically only worth using on characters with bad recoveries going for the ledge, and even then you'd be better off w/ a simple edge hog > ledge jump throw/bair them back off since it keeps them in a worse position than your dtilt ever could unless it's something like falco side B. even then falco can just choose not to respect your edge guard and side B straight at you and usually zelda can only react accordingly in a handful of ways.
don't use dtilt, it's bad. all of her tilts are bad honestly.
don't use dtilt, it's bad. all of her tilts are bad honestly.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
D-tilt to u-tilt on Jiggs at ~85% is still the greatest combo ever.
It's like a stomp to knee, because it kills.
But it's with tilts. Zelda's tilts.
It's like a stomp to knee, because it kills.
But it's with tilts. Zelda's tilts.
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I think Zelda's Stomp Knee is uthrow toe
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Nah. It's dair -> u-tilt.
Killing with a tilt is infinitely cooler than killing with one of the strongest aerials in the game.
Killing with a tilt is infinitely cooler than killing with one of the strongest aerials in the game.
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Subjective, I guess?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Nah, man. Universal truths are universal.
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The only universal truth is that there is no universal truth
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I got an A in philosophy.
Pretty much what I learned is that truth can be defined between multiple parties only to a degree relative to what they agree to accept as foundational truths.
Which basically leads to a circle. But whatever.
Pretty much what I learned is that truth can be defined between multiple parties only to a degree relative to what they agree to accept as foundational truths.
Which basically leads to a circle. But whatever.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
I can't figure out why Falcson is such a bad match-up for Zelda... it's not that bad at all.
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When you're in the air, you don't get back down (against an opponent that knows how to keep hitting you)
You might be playing Spoon's Falcon. My Zelda went even vs his Falcon. It's not nearly as good as his Fox
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
When you're in the air against Falcon, wiggle out and airdodge toward the ground in such a fashion that will make it hard for him to get to you in time to punish.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Spoon bairly comes to anything...
He's not good...
and I still don't really have problems vs Falcon...
I have a mm vs a Falcon this weekend so we'll see...
He's not good...
and I still don't really have problems vs Falcon...
I have a mm vs a Falcon this weekend so we'll see...
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Well timed SH bairs **** his nair.
Dash attack goes right under a lot of his SHFFLs if you space it right.
Don't be afraid to roll on reaction to his short hops.
F-smash if he's at a distance to put himself directly in front of you with a running SHFFL (on reaction if you can).
Avoid full jumping unnecessarily.
Make ample use of run away -> shield and be prepared to bair out of shield/up-smash out of shield depending on how he approaches.
Always be CCing at low percents, while moving constantly (wavedashing into CCs makes this easier). If you see him throw out a knee or stomp, just shield on reaction.
If you successfully CC his nair, uair, or weak knee, always d-smash, because it's the only thing fast enough to really hit him before he can escape.
If he does something laggier like raptor boost, feel free to grab or f-tilt him after the CC, since these generally lead to more damaging situations.
Dash attack goes right under a lot of his SHFFLs if you space it right.
Don't be afraid to roll on reaction to his short hops.
F-smash if he's at a distance to put himself directly in front of you with a running SHFFL (on reaction if you can).
Avoid full jumping unnecessarily.
Make ample use of run away -> shield and be prepared to bair out of shield/up-smash out of shield depending on how he approaches.
Always be CCing at low percents, while moving constantly (wavedashing into CCs makes this easier). If you see him throw out a knee or stomp, just shield on reaction.
If you successfully CC his nair, uair, or weak knee, always d-smash, because it's the only thing fast enough to really hit him before he can escape.
If he does something laggier like raptor boost, feel free to grab or f-tilt him after the CC, since these generally lead to more damaging situations.
GKInfinity
Smash Champion
Basically what ChivalRuse said^
Jab's actually pretty good against falcon too
If you play against a good falcon you'll realize why it's such a bad MU. I've 3 stocked falcon's that can make it out of pools at a decent sized tournament, but when you play against a really good falcon you can get completely shut down
Jab's actually pretty good against falcon too
If you play against a good falcon you'll realize why it's such a bad MU. I've 3 stocked falcon's that can make it out of pools at a decent sized tournament, but when you play against a really good falcon you can get completely shut down
Zone
Smash Champion
Dark hat money match my falcon with your Zelda.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
okay
I'll get right on that
I'll get right on that
Zone
Smash Champion
This may sound stupid but... has your name always been "hart" >.> I've always read it as hat. I feel stupid.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
yea bro
dark hart
always
'hart' is my middle name lol
dark hart
always
'hart' is my middle name lol
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
That was some great prose. 