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The Schoolgirl Famicom Detective, Ayumi Tachibana for Smash Switch (Famicom Detective Club Remakes Coming to the Switch)

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The story we’ve heard was in one of his columns sakurai said he considered her for melee but decided to her out because she was Japan only

And then added Marth
Hey, has anyone check the DLC Speculation thread? According to someone there, an old document from the year 2000 reveals that Ayumi was in consideration to be playable in SMASH 64!
I guess he had an easier time going through with Marth, since Western-style medieval fantasy had more inherent universal appeal than metropolitan Japan. Though it's likely that thinking up a moveset for him clicked way faster.

That being said, this is news to me, what's the post in question?
 
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I guess he had an easier time going through with Marth, since Western-style medieval fantasy had more inherent universal appeal than metropolitan Japan. Though it's likely that thinking up a moveset for him clicked way faster.
That is possible. Though you would think the fact that he considered her would mean he had an idea for her. It was a very ironic thing to say
 
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It would be really cool that if this Game sells well enough and does well critically, Nintendo decided to keep making games in the series.

Visual novels are quite popular nowadays between Danganronpa, Ace Attorney and Sakura Wars so It could potentially manage to hit a market.
 

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It would be really cool that if this Game sells well enough and does well critically, Nintendo decided to keep making games in the series.

Visual novels are quite popular nowadays between Danganronpa, Ace Attorney and Sakura Wars so It could potentially manage to hit a market.
I would LOVE for Nintendo to make this their own little dedicated mystery franchise. I do love me some Ace Attorney but it's Capcom's thing, Nintendo could put their own Nintendo-spin on it and make something special
 

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I guess he had an easier time going through with Marth, since Western-style medieval fantasy had more inherent universal appeal than metropolitan Japan. Though it's likely that thinking up a moveset for him clicked way faster.

That being said, this is news to me, what's the post in question?

In the event you happen to speak Japanese, there's the video of it. SourceGaming translates his comment as: “Well, I was thinking about it during the Melee days, Famicon Detective Club…Ayumi even has her own Trophy in that game. But in the end, there’s no way she’d work overseas, so…but I do like Famicon Detective Club.”

"Prince with sword" is definitely a more universally understood concept then "Japanese schoolgirl who solves mysteries" for sure... Like, she could have a fun moveset and I'm sure Sakurai had a rough idea, but I can't imagine an Ayumi moveset would seem normal or logical without any context.
 

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I guess he had an easier time going through with Marth, since Western-style medieval fantasy had more inherent universal appeal than metropolitan Japan. Though it's likely that thinking up a moveset for him clicked way faster.

That being said, this is news to me, what's the post in question?
Yeah, Rumor has it despite Smash supposedly being the reason Nintendo brought FE over to the west it was actually Lord of the Rings, which was HUGE in 2003, that convinced Nintendo to take a chance on FE seeing as they wanted to cash in on the popularity of LOTR and FE is kinda sorta Lord of the RIngish if you squint really, really, really hard.

Another tidbit is that Marth and Roy were planned to be cut out of the NA edition of melee, it was actually some technicians from NOA who convinced them to keep Marth and Roy in the game because they thought they were fun fighters.

Hopefully Persona, Shenmue and other recent successful Japan oriented games/anime will convince nintendo people are more open minded to the Japanese aesthetic these days.

ALSO, to change the topic. I just found out they are keeping the same voice actress for Ayumi they used in the 1997 version of FDC.
 
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ALSO, to change the topic. I just found out they are keeping the same voice actress for Ayumi they used in the 1997 version of FDC.
That's pretty good. In general, characters voiced in Japanese media rarely have their VAs changed, so it's nice to see consistency kept for such a little-known character.


In the event you happen to speak Japanese, there's the video of it. SourceGaming translates his comment as: “Well, I was thinking about it during the Melee days, Famicon Detective Club…Ayumi even has her own Trophy in that game. But in the end, there’s no way she’d work overseas, so…but I do like Famicon Detective Club.”

"Prince with sword" is definitely a more universally understood concept then "Japanese schoolgirl who solves mysteries" for sure... Like, she could have a fun moveset and I'm sure Sakurai had a rough idea, but I can't imagine an Ayumi moveset would seem normal or logical without any context.
Yeah, not nearly as simple as "paste the moveset that was going to be in my old pre-Smash concept :ultfalcon:", though I do kinda like AngstyGuy's own take on it for humorous reasons.



Funny how this was drawn two years before Brawl introduced FS.

It would be really cool that if this Game sells well enough and does well critically, Nintendo decided to keep making games in the series.

Visual novels are quite popular nowadays between Danganronpa, Ace Attorney and Sakura Wars so It could potentially manage to hit a market.
It already helps that Mages is lauded in the VN community, so this would be simpler than pulling an Operation Rainfall. It's just a shame that Jinguji Saburo/Jake Hunter hasn't caught on very much.
 

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In the event you happen to speak Japanese, there's the video of it. SourceGaming translates his comment as: “Well, I was thinking about it during the Melee days, Famicon Detective Club…Ayumi even has her own Trophy in that game. But in the end, there’s no way she’d work overseas, so…but I do like Famicon Detective Club.”

"Prince with sword" is definitely a more universally understood concept then "Japanese schoolgirl who solves mysteries" for sure... Like, she could have a fun moveset and I'm sure Sakurai had a rough idea, but I can't imagine an Ayumi moveset would seem normal or logical without any context.
I could think of one:
Intro: Ayumi runs onto the stage and catches her breath

Stance/Idle 1: Ayumi stands with her briefcase in hand.
Idle 2: Ayumi nervously looks over her shoulder
Idle 3: Ayumi brushes her left leg

Notable Palette Swaps:
  • Ayumi Tachibana (default)
  • Diskun (orange/yellow)
  • Takamaru (red/white)
  • Tamagon (green/yellow)
  • Sukapon (pink)
  • Classic Marth (cyan/purple)
  • Civilian Ayumi (alternate costume)
  • FDC protagonist (alt. blue)
Walk: Ayumi walks slowly and nervously
Dash: Ayumi runs delicately while keeping her suitcase in one hand
Damage: Ayumi puts a hand to her mouth, gasping in shock
Jump: Ayumi jumps somewhat low both times.
Crouch: Ayumi looks down, observing the ground

Normal Attacks
Jab: Ayumi slaps the opponent twice (4%)
Forward+A: Ayumi weakly kicks the opponent (3%)
Down+A: Ayumi briefly kicks along the ground (4%)
Up+A: Ayumi does an upward backhand slap (5%)

Aerial Attacks
Air+A: Ayumi swings her suit case in a full circle (7%)
Air Forward+A: Ayumi briefly flickers her flashlight (7%)
Air Back + A: Ayumi swings her suitcase backwards (9%)
Air Up+A: Ayumi briefly opens then retracts her umbrella (8%)
Air Down+A: Ayumi kicks opponents below her (6%)

Dash Attack: Ayumi trips on the ground (5%)
Edge Attack: Ayumi slams her suitcase onto the ground (6%)
Get-Up Attack: Ayumi turns on her flashlight and gets up (5%)

Smash Attacks
Forward+A: Ayumi swings her suitcase with force (17%)
Up+A: Ayumi opens her umbrella (18%)
Down+A: Ayumi shines a burning light along the ground (15%)

Grab Game
Grab: Ayumi grabs the opponent with her open hand
Pummel: Ayumi backhands the opponent with her suit case (2%)
Forwards+Throw: Ayumi pushes the opponent (8%)
Down+Throw: Ayumi pushes the opponent to the ground (8%)
Back+Throw: Ayumi runs past the opponent as she pushes them by (7%)
Up+Throw: Ayumi uppercuts the opponent with her suitcase (10%)

Special Moves
B : Flashlight
; Ayumi shines her flashlight in a medium area (10%), briefly stunning opponents in range
B + Forwards : Solar Rays; Ayumi uses her magnifying glass to create a ray of sun (8%). The attack’s power is increased by 7% damage for a single hit when used on stages that take place in the daytime.
B + Up : Umbrella; Ayumi nervously opens her umbrella and floats in a single direction without stopping, only slowing down when the control stick is tilted in the opposite direction
B + Down : Inspect; Ayumi inspects the ground with her magnifying glass; there’s a 50/50 chance of Ayumi picking up an item

Final Smash: Case Closed; Ayumi glares at up to 3 opponents. Any caught in her vision are taken into a cutscene emulating FDC on the Famicom, where Ayumi declares the opponent(s) the perpetrator(s). The attack is increased by 5% if the opponent(s) is holding an item.

Gimmick: N/A


Taunts
1: Ayumi gasps in shock
2: Ayumi looks over both of her shoulder
1+2: Ayumi struggles to lift her suitcase

Winposes
1: Ayumi slowly walks towards the camera
2: Ayumi, her back turned to the camera, looks at it and, startled, gasps in shock
3: Ayumi turns on a flashlight and points it towards her name on the victory screen

Applause: Ayumi quietly claps
Icon: A magnifying glass
Boxing Ring Title: Schoolgirl Detective
Star K.O.: Ayumi pushes down on her skirt and screams for her life
Victory Music: https://youtu.be/9h7FyuIRC4A
Kirby Hat: Ayumi’s hair
 

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Hey, has anyone check the DLC Speculation thread? According to someone there, an old document from the year 2000 reveals that Ayumi was in consideration to be playable in SMASH 64!
If Ayumi made it into Smash 64, not only would Famicom Detective Club have been treated with acknowledgement, awareness and respect by the west years ago but she would be a all time fan favorite among Smash fans as she would have been part of the original cast with the Original 12. If only that happened back then.
 

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Yeah, not nearly as simple as "paste the moveset that was going to be in my old pre-Smash concept :ultfalcon:", though I do kinda like AngstyGuy's own take on it for humorous reasons.



Funny how this was drawn two years before Brawl introduced FS.
That "case closed" victory screen(?) is very Final-Smash-esque haha. I like the adjustable neutral special; that's a cool controller gimmick.

I could think of one:
That's a cool moveset! The briefcase taunt seems potentially funny.

Though, to be clear, I wasn't trying to say that I don't think an Ayumi moveset wouldn't be possible or wouldn't be cool. I was saying that the 2001-era western Nintendo community would probably be very confused by Ayumi relative to the amount of confusion over Marth/Roy. Sword-prince is much more familar to western media tropes then trick-moveset-detective-schoolgirl, especially as you couldn't exactly communicate the detective part on the select screen. So I get why Sakurai's reaction at the time would be "Yeah, uh, that isn't going to work" even if he let Marth/Roy in...
 

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In the event you happen to speak Japanese, there's the video of it. SourceGaming translates his comment as: “Well, I was thinking about it during the Melee days, Famicon Detective Club…Ayumi even has her own Trophy in that game. But in the end, there’s no way she’d work overseas, so…but I do like Famicon Detective Club.”

"Prince with sword" is definitely a more universally understood concept then "Japanese schoolgirl who solves mysteries" for sure... Like, she could have a fun moveset and I'm sure Sakurai had a rough idea, but I can't imagine an Ayumi moveset would seem normal or logical without any context.
This is Sakurai were talking about. Don't underestimate his ability to come up with creative move sets. If he can come up with one for characters like, Duck Hunt, ROB and Piranha Plant, he can come up with one for Ayumi. And the fact that he was considering her for Melee shows that he must have already had somewhat of an idea for one.

Moveset is the least of our worries.
 
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This is Sakurai were talking about. Don't underestimate his ability to come up with creative move sets. If he can come up with one for characters like, Duck Hunt, ROB and Piranha Plant, he can come up with one for Ayumi. And the fact that he was considering her for Melee shows that he must have already had somewhat of an idea for one.

Moveset is the least of our worries.
I'm not concerned about an Ayumi moveset at all. Heck, I would say that a VN investigation character is my most-wanted broad concept for a Smash character, as I think there's a lot of potential there!

My point was that an Ayumi moveset wouldn't be instantly comprehensible without knowing that she's a Detective from a mystery visual novel, so I don't think it was that unreasonable for 1999-era Sakurai to reject the concept as not working in the west.

Modernly, with visual novels in general being more popular, Famicom Detective in particular being localized, and the internet allowing people to research who characters are themselves instead of just hoping Nintendo Power explains them... Yeah, Ayumi's fine.
 

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That's pretty good. In general, characters voiced in Japanese media rarely have their VAs changed, so it's nice to see consistency kept for such a little-known character.


Yeah, not nearly as simple as "paste the moveset that was going to be in my old pre-Smash concept :ultfalcon:", though I do kinda like AngstyGuy's own take on it for humorous reasons.



Funny how this was drawn two years before Brawl introduced FS.



It already helps that Mages is lauded in the VN community, so this would be simpler than pulling an Operation Rainfall. It's just a shame that Jinguji Saburo/Jake Hunter hasn't caught on very much.
Yeah, Come to think of it your right. Characters are Intrinsically linked to their Voice actors in Japan. I heard that Pretty much when an actor dies the character dies.

However, I could be wrong but IIRC Sailor Moon characters had their Japanese VA changed in some of the more recent Sailor Moon shows.

But to be fair it is kind of a thing in the west in regards to certain characters. I know alot of people wouldn't go see Solo because Han Solo wasn't played by Harrison Ford even though Harrison is almost 80! and alot of people were turned off by the fact that the Genie in Disney's remake of Alladin wasn't going to be played by Robin Williams even though he's dead!
 
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Cing was a company known for the another code and hotel dusk games, Nintendo’s other two visual novel series. Which like FDC only had two games each. Had cing not gone bankrupt they said they had planned to carry on the series but alas the last we saw of them were spirits in ultimate

Such a shame...I wish they could at least rerelease the Hotel Dusk and Another Code games somehow...I really want to play Another Code R since the US never got it.
In my opinion it was the best if the pair and it really cemented my desire to see Ashley in smash. Sadly I doubt it’ll ever happen. Maybe if ayumi gets in she pay homage to all three series like with DHD
 

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That is possible. Though you would think the fact that he considered her would mean he had an idea for her. It was a very ironic thing to say
late to th is discussion but....yeah i'm almost positive it was just ease of making a moveset. Melee was a bit rushed, and the movesets for most characters weren't near as "out there" as they were starting with brawl and especially 4. A sword user moveset is pretty easy to implement for really any game. Even when all he had to go off of were like...two nes animations for marth with his normal hit and critical hit one.
 
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Cing was a company known for the another code and hotel dusk games, Nintendo’s other two visual novel series. Which like FDC only had two games each. Had cing not gone bankrupt they said they had planned to carry on the series but alas the last we saw of them were spirits in ultimate



In my opinion it was the best if the pair and it really cemented my desire to see Ashley in smash. Sadly I doubt it’ll ever happen. Maybe if ayumi gets in she pay homage to all three series like with DHD
Got really curious and decided to check a few videos about Hotel Dusk.

From first visual impressions, I really dig the artstyle the game has (fits the whole detective theme) and as a Nintendo DS Game It feels like a Game I would get the hold of really easily.

Not bad at all, I will try to at least emulate these games and give them a really good shot!
 

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thinking about ayumi would in a way be another robin, pyra/mythra scenario, cause shes not actually the protagonist
I see it more as more of a Pikachu/Pokemon Trainer scenario. Yes, technically she's not the "Main Playable Character" but she's the face of the series like Pikachu. The MC of FDC is more of a plain player insert character like pokemon trainer(or atleast in the earlier games). While Characters like Robin, Byleth, Corrin, Link, Villager, inkling etc. are technically player avatar's they also can be fully detached from the player to be full characters on their own.

I don't know how fleshed out the MC of FDC is but from what research I've done he doesn't even have a default name(atleast in the original games they might have changed that for the remakes) and if he's anything like most other Visual Novel MC's he's probably just a generic stand in for the player. So I can't really see sakurai choosing him over Ayumi. Especially since he's a male only character unlike Byleth, Robin, Corrin etc who have female options.
 

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I see it more as more of a Pikachu/Pokemon Trainer scenario. Yes, technically she's not the "Main Playable Character" but she's the face of the series like Pikachu. The MC of FDC is more of a plain player insert character like pokemon trainer(or atleast in the earlier games). While Characters like Robin, Byleth, Corrin, Link, Villager, inkling etc. are technically player avatar's they also can be fully detached from the player to be full characters on their own.

I don't know how fleshed out the MC of FDC is but from what research I've done he doesn't even have a default name(atleast in the original games they might have changed that for the remakes) and if he's anything like most other Visual Novel MC's he's probably just a generic stand in for the player. So I can't really see sakurai choosing him over Ayumi. Especially since he's a male only character unlike Byleth, Robin, Corrin etc who have female options.
Villager, inklings and Pokemon trainer feel like characters you can perceive as yourself but the rest of them have far too much story
 
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I take it you’ve played them?
I have played The Girl Who Stands Behind, yes. You isn't a non-character, but at the same time he's a conduit to be ordered around by the boss and move from place to place. He doesn't really have much dialogue or even a proper face. I could see him showing up in Ayumi's moveset along with other important characters in the game such as Hitomi.
 

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I have played The Girl Who Stands Behind, yes. You isn't a non-character, but at the same time he's a conduit to be ordered around by the boss and move from place to place. He doesn't really have much dialogue or even a proper face. I could see him showing up in Ayumi's moveset along with other important characters in the game such as Hitomi.
I got ya. Though that style of story telling does annoy me at times (I’m looking at you XCX) but still I’m looking forward to playing it
 

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Flyboy Flyboy do you have any suggestion for people who will play The Girl Who Stands Behind for the first time?

Does the Game for example happen to be one of those which has varios different endings?
No, it's pretty straightforward and linear. It's all about investigating, talking to the characters, presenting the right evidence, and working through the story.
 

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I think You/the amnesiac assistant detective could be included as Ayumi's alt, if nothing else. I'd hardly see Sak leaving him out.

By the way, Alternate Jake Hunter is currently available for a discount at the e-shop, so for anyone wanting to dip their toes into the mystery genre, now's the time.

Yeah, Come to think of it your right. Characters are Intrinsically linked to their Voice actors in Japan. I heard that Pretty much when an actor dies the character dies.

However, I could be wrong but IIRC Sailor Moon characters had their Japanese VA changed in some of the more recent Sailor Moon shows.

But to be fair it is kind of a thing in the west in regards to certain characters. I know alot of people wouldn't go see Solo because Han Solo wasn't played by Harrison Ford even though Harrison is almost 80! and alot of people were turned off by the fact that the Genie in Disney's remake of Alladin wasn't going to be played by Robin Williams even though he's dead!
The one oddest case I can think of is Cutie Honey having her VA changed in every animated incarnation. Though I realized that it kind of fits with the character's nature.

But yeah, that's also a fair point. A lot of people were reluctant about Alan Young being replaced for his role as Scrooge McDuck in the Ducktales reboot, even though he was already pushing in the 90s for Remastered and then died sometime afterwards.
 

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SHE"S VIABLE NOW LET'S GOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since her game is getting Localized, legit the Title I'm most hyped for from Nintendo at the moment.
The localization of the Famicom Detective Club remakes was the only thing I was really hyped for in that Direct. It saved the Direct for me.
 
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