Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Reality_Ciak]

I'd like a Ridley/ Ganon(dorf) dual reveal (or Ridley and anyone else, or no one else) in August that is highly suggestive of more villains that will be secret characters, and maybe 1 or 2 villainous vets as PotD posts.

 

[AustarusIV]

In your guys opinions

Is Ridley on par with K. Rool?

You mean in terms of chances? I don't know. Ridley's 50-50 in terms of chances IMO, but K. Rool is really hard to say. Sure he has some more Japanese popularity, but Sakurai doesn't really care about the DK franchise from what I've seen in representation. While the Metroid franchise has been given stages that represent different areas from each game (no matter how watered down they may seem), the distinctive and memorable levels from each Donkey Kong game were tossed aside and, in their place, represented with generic jungle-themed stages with the main theme playing over and over.

I think it's a matter of whether Sakurai actually gives a damn about DK and thinks it deserves more than two reps, not because fans say he's popular and/or unique. All I can say is that I'm pessimistic about both their chances because of the Sal leak and the way the roster is going to be shaped into.

 

[RidleyKraid187]

In your guys opinions

Is Ridley on par with K. Rool?

Yes.

 

[ddd87]

In your guys opinions

Is Ridley on par with K. Rool?

On par in what?

Relevancy? I'd say Ridley is on a higher tier than K Rool. DK is a more successful series than Metroid, but K Rool's relevancy as a character took a dive after the N64 entry, while Ridley has only become more and more prominent in the games.The DK series has other playable and support characters who have been featured in the games and spinoffs, Dixie Cranky and even Funky have been playable characters, and I honestly think any of those could get a spot before K Rool. Metroid? Most of the characters are one-offs and die in the game they are introduced, or are very generic and irrelevant (like the hunters). Very few characters other than Samus are important to the series, there is Adam, Mother Brain, Kraid, Dark Samus, and... Well... Ridley is quite more important than all of those in the series.

 

[Kay kay]

I'm not going to go as deep into it, but I would be kind of awed to see Ridley as anything but a stage/boss. He is taller than Rosalina, who is pretty tall, bigger than bowser, who is pretty buff, and soars over Samus, who everyone seems to compare sizes to at first. He would be hard to imagine as playable. I, honestly, think he should just stay a boss, he fits better in that way.

Honestly.

 

[CrypticSpark]

Not sure if Kay Kay is a troll, or just can't get their head around the fact characters can get scaled up and down in Smash Bros.

 

[Kay kay]

Not sure if Kay Kay is a troll, or just can't get their head around the fact characters can get scaled up and down in Smash Bros.

I know that -_- but I just prefer him to stay in his place.

 

[Lolo Lolo]

why does this thread run so fast ?!
last time I was here it had 10/13 less pages ....
BTW I like the villins-trailer thing but it is quite impossible ... too many characters ...
but I think a trailer with only Ridley, KKR and Mewtwo (or at least Ridley & Mewtwo) is good

 

[Nietona]

Bigger than Bowser is debatable, provided you don't mean solely in Smash. Also, he doesn't soar over Samus in more or less any game except Brawl. Metroid Prime 3 nearly counts, but Omega Ridley happens.

And if you're going to pay attention to Brawl (where, mind you, he was sized up specifically to BE a boss, and if you don't believe me, I will repetitively play the Melee opening in front of your face) and not any other game in the entire franchise (be it Metroid or Smash), then you need to stop trying to argue.

Also, define "his place".

 

[Lolo Lolo]

I know that -_- but I just prefer him to stay in his place.

his place is a playable spot in the roster

 

[Kamiko]

I'm not going to go as deep into it, but I would be kind of awed to see Ridley as anything but a stage/boss. He is taller than Rosalina, who is pretty tall, bigger than bowser, who is pretty buff, and soars over Samus, who everyone seems to compare sizes to at first. He would be hard to imagine as playable. I, honestly, think he should just stay a boss, he fits better in that way.

Honestly.

Please stop using Brawl as an example for how Ridley usually appears. That goes for everyone.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Please stop using Brawl as an example for how Ridley usually appears. That goes for everyone.

This is why it's such a bad thing when playable candidates end up as bosses. Just imagine Smash 5's speculation scene if K. Rool is a boss for this game, people are going to be rough on him.

 

[Malkior7]

More of my ridley photoshop ventures

 

[Kay kay]

Guys, I'm only saying that I would prefer him a boss, and only a boss, in any game, not just Brawl; and i'm pretty sure i am not the only one who thinks so.

And so if I am?

These are just my feelings.

I never said you had to agree.

 

[Lolo Lolo]

More of my ridley photoshop ventures

unfortunately many people hate Ridley

 

[TheWozny]

This isn't that bad, but Samus is almost Ridley's height. And he's still big, and that tail and part of his wings could cause some hurtbox confusion. And...he just doesn't look right. Can't explain it, he just doesn't. Maybe it's him flying idly with his tail on the ground. I don't know. He's a too-big boi.

Anyways, I'll end with that. Goodnight, all, nice arguing with you guys. I probably won't provoke another big discussion again (although I said that a few days ago) but anyways, good night, and day, and next day, night, etc. to you all. Thanks again for the discussion.

Are you really using a fan-made model as proof? That's like me drawing a picture of Link, putting him in a brawl mod, and someone saying, "Hey, he looks awful, he can't be in Smash." If you really think actual developers would make something as horrific as that Ridley Model (It is horrible imo but It's fan-made so I like the effort) you have not played a lot of games my friend.

 

[WayfaringElf]

Guys, I'm only saying that I would prefer him a boss, and only a boss, in any game, not just Brawl; and i'm pretty sure i am not the only one who thinks so.

And so if I am?

These are just my feelings.

I never said you had to agree.

Well, this is the Ridley support thread, where we support Ridley. It's also the splounge.

 

[Lolo Lolo]

Guys, I'm only saying that I would prefer him a boss, and only a boss, in any game, not just Brawl; and i'm pretty sure i am not the only one who thinks so.

And so if I am?

These are just my feelings.

I never said you had to agree.

I understood your point.
just ... don't use Ridley's images from his Brawl boss battle because it is NOT his real canon size (which is only twice Samus).
after too many rude detractors those images hurt.

 

[Staarih]

Guys, I'm only saying that I would prefer him a boss, and only a boss, in any game, not just Brawl; and i'm pretty sure i am not the only one who thinks so.

And so if I am?

These are just my feelings.

I never said you had to agree.

We appreciate your opinion (or at least I do) but I think you'd know what kind of reactions saying something like that will cause in a Ridley _support_ thread. It'll be all "defend Ridley"-mode whether you actually ask for a debate or not haha!

 

[RidleyKraid187]

Guys, I'm only saying that I would prefer him a boss, and only a boss, in any game, not just Brawl; and i'm pretty sure i am not the only one who thinks so.

And so if I am?

These are just my feelings.

I never said you had to agree.

I Believe you are in the Wrong thread. Coming HERE saying Ridley should stay a boss is akin to walking into a lion den with sausages down your pants.

 

[Nietona]

Guys, I'm only saying that I would prefer him a boss, and only a boss, in any game, not just Brawl; and i'm pretty sure i am not the only one who thinks so.

And so if I am?

These are just my feelings.

I never said you had to agree.

Did you think it'd elicit a positive reaction, especially when you appeared to be falling back on the size argument that everyone worth their salt knows isn't true? Feel free to have your opinion and no-one can stop you from doing so (nor would we particularly want to) because no-one's going to stop you, nor will we mind that you want this.

Let's also not remember that you didn't just say that. Your first argument in this thread was "did you forget this picture? he's too big to be playable". It's OUR opinion that he would be better playable. You can't try to put us down and then get all defensive when we argue back.

 

[TheWozny]

Anybody else want a pet Ridley now?

I always wanted a pet Yoshi Ridley would have to be an outside pet. I thought of something else involving the pallet swaps; since Boxing ring has two versions of itself, what else could Pyrosphere be that would be a cool stage pallet swap? If they decided on it, what do you guys think would work?

 

[Malkior7]

Foound this on Miiverse it's so true!

 

[Deleted member]

Has the splounge drawing already been drawn? I jump some pages, so I would like for you to keep me updated
Also, I would like to mention something, there is no such a thing as "Ridley's spot is as a boss", if you think that's because being playable would take away his power, look at Bowser, in 64, if you throw him out of the arena, he would come back, in Sunshine, he's huge, in Galaxy, he's even more huge, in 3D world he can climb a freakin' gigantic build and destroy its walls like it's nothing, Smash took away all those awesome things that make Bowser "Bowser"
Look at Ganondorf too, people don't complain about he loosing his swords, magic and trident, it's because he's a fu***** clone, if he wasn't no one would complain.
The things that makes Ridley "Ridley", is his inteligence and merciless personality, it isn't difficult to translate this into Smash, a competitive player would be just as unpredictable as Ridley is in Metroid, put some powerful K.O. moves and BAM you have Ridley
tl;dr they took more of Bowser's and Ganondorf's characteristics than they would need to take from Ridley

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Foound this on Miiverse it's so true!

So wait, Ridley's an owl?
That explains...

Spoiler

nothing at all.

 

[Kamiko]

I always wanted a pet Yoshi Ridley would have to be an outside pet. I thought of something else involving the pallet swaps; since Boxing ring has two versions of itself, what else could Pyrosphere be that would be a cool stage pallet swap? If they decided on it, what do you guys think would work?

Pyrosphere with the lights out is really the only thing that would work. It would be really nice if we got that though.

 

[FyrianFate]

So I'm not against Ridley's inclusion in the roster, and I definitely dont believe the size argument is relevant, but my question to you Ridley fans is: What would Ridley bring that's original?
From what I've seen, he's pretty much a dragon with claws that can breathe out weird stuff. Hasn't that kind of already been done with Bowser and Charizard?

 

[WayfaringElf]

Guys, this little man needs backup on miiverse, he's being toobigoted. https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADMUKl0PW7YQg

 

[Lolo Lolo]

So I'm not against Ridley's inclusion in the roster, and I definitely dont believe the size argument is relevant, but my question to you Ridley fans is: What would Ridley bring that's original?
From what I've seen, he's pretty much a dragon with claws that can breathe out weird stuff. Hasn't that kind of already been done with Bowser and Charizard?

trust me
he isn't as Bowser or Charizard
also remember that everyone (me too) belived that Rosalina was going to be a Peach's clone

 

[CrypticSpark]

When I think of Smash Bros. I think of it as a game that uses some of the most ionic characters from the Nintendo universe (including some 3rd party). Mario, Kirby, Link and Samus. So what's as iconic and what helps make a good hero? A good villain.

Mario has Bowser, Link has Ganndorf, and Samus has Ridley. I do enjoy Ridley as a boss in the the metroid games, but I find it even more fun to play as the villain, and apart from spin off's like Mario kart/golf, how many times do you have the chance to play as the villain? If you would rather fight Ridley as a boss you can only do the fight in Brawl, or if Ridley is playable in Smash 4, set him to a AI. There's also the chance Ridley could be a stage hazard and playable similar to Toon Link, who is playable and appears on the spirit tracks stage if no one uses him.

 

[AbioFlesh]

Am I the only one here tired of everyone making conclusions before the game even comes out? I mean really, how come people KNOW Ridley's role in the game, how he is going to play or how he will look like in the game? And how do they know what is possible or not?

Jeez, these people don't give the skills of the game designers enough credit.

 

[TheWozny]

I think one of the most annoying arguments is that Ridley can fly forever so he'd be OP. Not like we have Meta Knight, Charizard, Kirby, and even Ganondorf (look at his OoT battle, he floats the ENTIRE time). Also Dedede.

 

[WayfaringElf]

Am I the only one here tired of everyone making conclusions before the game even comes out? I mean really, how come people KNOW how Ridley's role in the game, how he is going to play or how he will look like in the game?And how do they know what is possible or not?

Jeez, these people don't give the skills of the game designers enough credit.

Amen brother!

 

[Kenith]

I know this an is old topic, but I think Ridley is way more deserving than King K Rool.

 

[CrypticSpark]

Am I the only one here tired of everyone making conclusions before the game even comes out? I mean really, how come people KNOW Ridley's role in the game, how he is going to play or how he will look like in the game? And how do they know what is possible or not?

Jeez, these people don't give the skills of the game designers enough credit.

If they can pull off what they did with Pac-Man, I wouldn't be surprised of they could make the death star a playable character

Though jokes aside, people just have a habit of ignoring things they don't like or conflict with their view(s), a character they don't like is OP and will apparently stay like that, because it's not like they clearly stated in the Invitational they were still working on balance and Samus wasn't broken

 

[Snagrio]

Zzz... Zzz...

Ugh, uh what? Oh, uh size argument cycle or something like that...

Zzz... Zzz...

 

[Deleted member]

If they can pull off what they did with Pac-Man, I wouldn't be surprised of they could make the death star a playable character

They already made the Death Star playable; it's called Meta Knight!

 

[majora_787]

So I'm not against Ridley's inclusion in the roster, and I definitely dont believe the size argument is relevant, but my question to you Ridley fans is: What would Ridley bring that's original?
From what I've seen, he's pretty much a dragon with claws that can breathe out weird stuff. Hasn't that kind of already been done with Bowser and Charizard?

The issue is I think you're using too broad of a definition of 'unique' from what Sakurai means. Just about EVERYONE punches or kicks things, or uses a sword. Even new and original characters. The fact of the matter is Ridley has the opportunity to utilize what's been done with Charizard or Bowser in a different way, being an air-based character with most likely a different kind of fire projectile from what we're used to, air grabs, tail stabs...

Basically the opposite to Little Mac, who is unique despite his entire moveset literally being composed of the most generic and non-unique action in fighting game history.

 

[Deleted member]

Guys, I'm only saying that I would prefer him a boss, and only a boss, in any game, not just Brawl; and i'm pretty sure i am not the only one who thinks so.

And so if I am?

These are just my feelings.

I never said you had to agree.

And as others have said, we never said you had to waltz into this thread telling us that you want Ridley as a boss and nothing else and that you think that Ridley is too big and can't be changed whatsoever. This is something that we've beaten past the point of death, so telling us again that you don't agree with our beliefs does nothing, as we've dealt with such sentiment countless times before. You don't see me walking into other character support threads and droning on about how "X character should be a boss or doesn't belong in the game, look at these pictures from past games, he clearly doesn't fit because of these" so why did you feel the need to do it to us?

Has the splounge drawing already been drawn? I jump some pages, so I would like for you to keep me updated.

@AndreaAC is currently in the early planning of the drawing, she is only thinking about the layout of the picture as of right now.

I will be sure to keep posting updates on the status and progress of the Group Picture as I hear them from @AndreaAC so do not worry. She may also choose to release status updates herself, but again, one of us will keep everyone here informed on the progress regardless.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

So, hello. I didn't wanted to intrude much since this thread is already enormous (no Ridley pun intended) but I' ll throw my thoughts here:
Right now, Im the only one in my community who thinks Ridley could still be playable. And the main reason I support him (besides being a fan of the big and bestial characters) is because I want to be part of the happening when Ridley gets announced and all the people who thought otherwise will go "Oh dear he is actually there. And Sakurai actually made him possible".
Because at this point, if Ridley ends like a stage boss. Then no bigger harm done, he is not in, we come back for Smash Bros. 5. But if he is in. Oh boy its gonna shake the internet.
Besides, at this point there must be some awareness of the Ridley fandom at the Sakurai Smash team. So it will be interesting to see how they will end up the mystery, they are surely waiting for the right moment to do so.