Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

So, hello. I didn't wanted to intrude much since this thread is already enormous (no Ridley pun intended) but I' ll throw my thoughts here:
Right now, Im the only one in my community who thinks Ridley could still be playable. And the main reason I support him (besides being a fan of the big and bestial characters) is because I want to be part of the happening when Ridley gets announced and all the people who thought otherwise will go "Oh dear he is actually there. And Sakurai actually made him possible".
Because at this point, if Ridley ends like a stage boss. Then no bigger harm done, he is not in, we come back for Smash Bros. 5. But if he is in. Oh boy its gonna shake the internet.
Besides, at this point there must be some awareness of the Ridley fandom at the Sakurai Smash team. So it will be interesting to see how they will end up the mystery, they are surely waiting for the right moment to do so.

Not true a lot of people here think ridley is basicly confirmed

Im 1 of them in my head its a shoe in status right now

 

[JaidynReiman]

Not true a lot of people here think ridley is basicly confirmed

Im 1 of them in my head its a shoe in status right now

I don't think he's a shoe-in, but I'm about 90% positive he is a playable character. I have some doubts, but I'm pretty confident he's playable.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Not true a lot of people here think ridley is basicly confirmed

Im 1 of them in my head its a shoe in status right now

Figured I should have specified to "in my group of friends and family". Most of them either don't care for Ridley or think the shadow killed its possibilities. While I think that it was way too suspicious. I mean, its not like people don't know Ridley. Why tease us a shadow like its gonna be a big surprise that he was going to be a stage boss?. But surely you have talked tons about this already...
Ridley is in my 3 favorite character ideas that I saw first here in Smashboards; next to Krystal and K. Rool. If I wasn't lazy I would be putting some support banners on my sig.
The rest of the characters threads go for me "meh, but ok" but I don't really dislike any character in particular. Game is gonna be awesome either way.

 

[AustarusIV]

Not true a lot of people here think ridley is basicly confirmed

Im 1 of them in my head its a shoe in status right now

Eh, I have to disagree with you. Ever since the Smash Direct, a lot of people here are actually cautious about his current status, whether he's playable or a stage hazard. Every now and then, this thread goes from being optimistic to pessimistic, or vice versa.

Although I'm hoping for the best, I expect the roster for this game to consist of 48 characters (Brawl's roster minus Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur and Lucas, plus the Gematsu leak and Rosalina, and Mewtwo).

 

[Kamiko]

So I'm not against Ridley's inclusion in the roster, and I definitely dont believe the size argument is relevant, but my question to you Ridley fans is: What would Ridley bring that's original?
From what I've seen, he's pretty much a dragon with claws that can breathe out weird stuff. Hasn't that kind of already been done with Bowser and Charizard?

Ridley can bombard the stage with fire from the skies! Who else can do that?! Charizard is the only other that could've, but it didn't happen.

 

[Kenith]

Eh, I have to disagree with you. Ever since the Smash Direct, a lot of people here are actually cautious about his current status, whether he's playable or a stage hazard. Every now and then, this thread goes from being optimistic to pessimistic, or vice versa.

Although I'm hoping for the best, I expect the roster for this game to consist of 48 characters (Brawl's roster minus Snake, Squirtle, Ivysaur and Lucas, plus the Gematsu leak and Rosalina, and Mewtwo).

True, though there are some people who will take any small potential evidence as a subtle confirmation. I don't like it, but there's no point in stopping it.

Also, I expect no less than 50 characters. 50 is, after all, the golden number.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

There a video that shows that ridley in action?

Nope, it had only 1 animation working anyway and it was exactly same as his idle animation from MUGEN...but 2x smoother.

I'm not going to go as deep into it, but I would be kind of awed to see Ridley as anything but a stage/boss. He is taller than Rosalina, who is pretty tall, bigger than bowser, who is pretty buff, and soars over Samus, who everyone seems to compare sizes to at first. He would be hard to imagine as playable. I, honestly, think he should just stay a boss, he fits better in that way.

Honestly.

He is as big as Bowser usually is. I showed that already. So, if Bowser was scaled down, then Ridley can be too. Just not THAT model because of its proportions.
Metroid Prime 3 is the only time Ridley is a lot bigger than Samus (3x or 4x bigger than Samus), but gets retconned after Samus encounters him as Omega Ridley.

I Believe you are in the Wrong thread. Coming HERE saying Ridley should stay a boss is akin to walking into a lion den with sausages down your pants.

No, its like going into Ridley`s lair without Varia and Gravity suit, then insulting Ridley and his mom...or just going into Ridley`s lair.

@ AndreaAC , i finished your references and something else.

And welcome, Banjo, hope you will be here. Just remember that it is dangerous to go alone. Take thi- oh, wait, we ran out of those things...

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

True, though there are some people who will take any small potential evidence as a subtle confirmation. I don't like it, but there's no point in stopping it.

Also, I expect no less than 50 characters. 50 is, after all, the golden number.

Not to mention sakurai said 50 might be when he hits the brakes in his opinion. (He said 50 is enough characters for the whole series.)

 

[FyrianFate]

The issue is I think you're using too broad of a definition of 'unique' from what Sakurai means. Just about EVERYONE punches or kicks things, or uses a sword. Even new and original characters. The fact of the matter is Ridley has the opportunity to utilize what's been done with Charizard or Bowser in a different way, being an air-based character with most likely a different kind of fire projectile from what we're used to, air grabs, tail stabs...

Basically the opposite to Little Mac, who is unique despite his entire moveset literally being composed of the most generic and non-unique action in fighting game history.

You have a completely valid point, though it might be hard to capture Ridley's essence in a restricted moveset.


On the other hand, I actually found something against Ridley. In the direct, it's clear that we see Ridley's shadow, and its a very visible silouette. However, looking at gameplay videos, specifically Greninja's side special, I noticed that his shadow was simply a round circle of shadow. Since stage bosses require less animation than an all around fighter, they could easily add clear shadows, while it'd be much more work for a playable character. Do you think this is a valid argument? And has anyone looked at the Yellow Devil's shadow?

 

[AndreaAC]

Nope, it had only 1 animation working anyway and it was exactly same as his idle animation from MUGEN...but 2x smoother.

He is as big as Bowser usually is. I showed that already. So, if Bowser was scaled down, then Ridley can be too. Just not THAT model because of its proportions.
Metroid Prime 3 is the only time Ridley is a lot bigger than Samus (3x or 4x bigger than Samus), but gets retconned after Samus encounters him as Omega Ridley.

No, its like going into Ridley`s lair without Varia and Gravity suit, then insulting Ridley and his mom...or just going into Ridley`s lair.

@ AndreaAC , i finished your references and something else.

And welcome, Banjo, hope you will be here. Just remember that it is dangerous to go alone. Take thi- oh, wait, we ran out of those things...

wheee! thank you thank you! I will give you a virtual hug....!

 

[Nietona]

You have a completely valid point, though it might be hard to capture Ridley's essence in a restricted moveset.


On the other hand, I actually found something against Ridley. In the direct, it's clear that we see Ridley's shadow, and its a very visible silouette. However, looking at gameplay videos, specifically Greninja's side special, I noticed that his shadow was simply a round circle of shadow. Since stage bosses require less animation than an all around fighter, they could easily add clear shadows, while it'd be much more work for a playable character. Do you think this is a valid argument? And has anyone looked at the Yellow Devil's shadow?

Wouldn't something like that have been noticed when people measured Ridley's shadow up against Bowser's?


About Ridley's playability... my belief that he's playable isn't set in stone. The way I see it, most people here are most likely hoping he's playable, but I don't think anyone except for a small minority think he's 100% confirmed. There's evidence against him and evidence for him. People are more likely to fluctuate. At least, I do, anyway. I go through phases of "he's probably not playable, judging by the Direct" and "there's enough evidence. He's probably playable!". As for everyone else, may be making a hasty generalisation, durr.

I think most people accept that there's more of a 50/50 chance.

 

[ppbto]

Not to mention sakurai said 50 might be when he hits the brakes in his opinion. (He said 50 is enough characters for the whole series.)

Really? source?
I think that a 50 character roster is ideal.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

However, looking at gameplay videos, specifically Greninja's side special, I noticed that his shadow was simply a round circle of shadow. Since stage bosses require less animation than an all around fighter, they could easily add clear shadows, while it'd be much more work for a playable character. Do you think this is a valid argument? And has anyone looked at the Yellow Devil's shadow?

Lookie here:

 

[Kamiko]

You have a completely valid point, though it might be hard to capture Ridley's essence in a restricted moveset.


On the other hand, I actually found something against Ridley. In the direct, it's clear that we see Ridley's shadow, and its a very visible silouette. However, looking at gameplay videos, specifically Greninja's side special, I noticed that his shadow was simply a round circle of shadow. Since stage bosses require less animation than an all around fighter, they could easily add clear shadows, while it'd be much more work for a playable character. Do you think this is a valid argument? And has anyone looked at the Yellow Devil's shadow?

Greninja has a regular shadow like everyone else. Are you thinking of Shadow Sneak maybe?

Edit: Wait yeah, you were. So yeah, that's just Shadow Sneak.

 

[Hong]

Ridley fans have the best avatars.

 

[AustarusIV]

Ridley fans have the best avatars.

Do you want to join in?

 

[ppbto]

Why there're so many detractors lately?

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

Are you really using a fan-made model as proof? That's like me drawing a picture of Link, putting him in a brawl mod, and someone saying, "Hey, he looks awful, he can't be in Smash." If you really think actual developers would make something as horrific as that Ridley Model (It is horrible imo but It's fan-made so I like the effort) you have not played a lot of games my friend.

Are you really using that post as an example of me proposing an argument? That's like me, in conversation with someone, going off on a small tangent about food, when most of the time we were talking about sports, and have someone walk by and say we were talking about food the entire time. If you really think I was using that post as proof for my argument and not as a reply to @ ppbto in regards to him saying he has seen better mods, you have not read a lot of posts my friend.

Don't put words in my mouth big boi!

 

[Nietona]

Why there're so many detractors lately?

They all secretly want to help us get to page 1000 as soon as possible.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Ridley fans have the best avatars.

Completly agree with that.

Before i will post your references, @ AndreaAC , i will post that:

Ridley: "Remember, failed attempt at cloning, NEVER TOUCH MY LAPTOP! Understood?"
Roidley: "...Understood. By the way, why do you have folder called 'Rosal-"
Ridley: "SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..."
Roidley`s line can be replaced with:
Roidley: "Okay...by the way, i was reading your mail and saw one certain message. So, you are a playable character in Super Sm-"

Instert your own lines if you want.

 

[Hong]

Do you want to join in?

Son, I've been supporting Ridley for over a decade.

I just don't feel the need to regular a topic about it, much like I have longed for Palutena for over six years before she appeared, but I didn't frequent her SSB4 thread, either. Not like I think I am too good or something. I am merely desensitized to Ridley's appearance at this point. I no longer care. After Brawl, I have simply accepted Sakurai's intentions. No hard feelings, of course. I totally respect what he is doing with the roster. I just want him to produce a fun game this time.

I'm not a believer. That said, if Ridley does show up, that's great.

 

[FyrianFate]

Greninja has a regular shadow like everyone else. Are you thinking of Shadow Sneak maybe?
Edit: Wait yeah, you were. So yeah, that's just Shadow Sneak.

Oh god I'm so sorry. I feel so dumb right now.

Why there're so many detractors lately?

Really didn't mean to be a detractor, I just wanted to bring new evidence to the table, (and failed at that). I'm not a detractor as I have neither a strong liking or dislike towards Ridley, I'd have to wait to see him in Smash.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Really? source?
I think that a 50 character roster is ideal.

Simple its back when he mention about characters will be cut.

Back on july 2nd 2012

 

[majora_787]

Ridley fans have the best avatars.

And I am the primary example of that, clearly.

 

[AustarusIV]

Son, I've been supporting Ridley for over a decade.

I just don't feel the need to regular a topic about it, much like I have longed for Palutena for over six years before she appeared, but I didn't frequent her SSB4 thread, either. Not like I think I am too good or something. I am merely desensitized to Ridley's appearance at this point. I no longer care. After Brawl, I have simply accepted Sakurai's intentions. No hard feelings, of course. I totally respect what he is doing with the roster. I just want him to produce a fun game this time.

I'm not a believer. That said, if Ridley does show up, that's great.

I've been supporting Ridley for over a decade as well.

I was only having fun with you, but I completely understand what you said.

 

[Hong]

And I am the primary example of that, clearly.

Even when they are not sporting a ridiculous Ridley headswap.

I always approve of Nephenee. May not be Ridley, but she's still a beast in her own right.

 

[Ridles the Space Pirate]

I've kinda run out of things to say in this thread. I'm still cheering for Ridley though, so I'll just go back to being a wall flower in the corner. *walks away*

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Ridley fans have the best avatars.

That includes me too, right?
right?
anybody

 

[Sigran101]

Hey, srry guys, but the metoid fanfic is gona have to wait. I underestimated how i would feel after surgery. Looks like I won't be doing much for a while bt watching tv and getting pumped full of jeello. Might not be posting here for a few days. Sorry!

Edit: sorry about my speling. I'm a bit wonky from anesthesia.

 

[majora_787]

Well, if Ridley doesn't make it into SSB4, he could end up in Hyrule Warriors. If they can make *AGITHA* a playable character they can make Ridley happen. /slightexaggeration

 

[Ridles the Space Pirate]

Well, if Ridley doesn't make it into SSB4, he could end up in Hyrule Warriors. If they can make *AGITHA* a playable character they can make Ridley happen. /slightexaggeration

Wasn't there a rumor or something that pit and Samus were going to be guest characters in Hyrule warriors?

 

[majora_787]

Wasn't there a rumor or something that pit and Samus were going to be guest characters in Hyrule warriors?

I have no idea. I bet Ridley started that rumor as a backup plan for Smash Bros.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Wasn't there a rumor or something that pit and Samus were going to be guest characters in Hyrule warriors?

That rumor was debunked as soon as we got the first bit of actual information on Hyrule Warriors since it listed a ton of other things, including the fact that the cast of characters would be all-new except for Link, Zelda, Impa, and Ganondorf and that there would be voice acting. I really don't think we'll get guest characters in the game.

Not that this has anything to do with Ridley.

 

[ddd87]

So I'm not against Ridley's inclusion in the roster, and I definitely dont believe the size argument is relevant, but my question to you Ridley fans is: What would Ridley bring that's original?
From what I've seen, he's pretty much a dragon with claws that can breathe out weird stuff. Hasn't that kind of already been done with Bowser and Charizard?

It would be a good idea to know about the characters and their many incarnations before shuting down them. Because going with only a quick look can work with all newcomers.
What would Megaman add? He shoots and jumps, Samus already does that. What would either of the Miis add? There are other characters with swords, cannons, and punches. What can Rosalina add? There are other princesses in the game. What coulld Little Mac do? He only has 5 punches in his game.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

That rumor was debunked as soon as we got the first bit of actual information on Hyrule Warriors since it listed a ton of other things, including the fact that the cast of characters would be all-new except for Link, Zelda, Impa, and Ganondorf and that there would be voice acting. I really don't think we'll get guest characters in the game.

I gotta disagree, I wouldn't be surprised to see guest characters. Also, what do you mean by all-new? There's a few characters that are original to the game, but so far it's mostly been established Zelda characters confirmed.

 

[egaddmario]

I gotta disagree, I wouldn't be surprised to see guest characters. Also, what do you mean by all-new? There's a few characters that are original to the game, but so far it's mostly been established Zelda characters confirmed.

Yeah, we got Agitha the bug girl from TP confirmed, how is she original?

 

[JaidynReiman]

The fact that people generalize things so much like this is completely ridiculous. You can't just take a generalized assumption and say that a character won't bring anything new. Ridley would be completely original, I picture him as the opposite of Little Mac; **** on the ground, great in the air. Ridley has to be slow, though, otherwise he'd be completely OP. And considering his appearance in the footage, even long before we realize he jumps... yeah.

I gotta disagree, I wouldn't be surprised to see guest characters. Also, what do you mean by all-new? There's a few characters that are original to the game, but so far it's mostly been established Zelda characters confirmed.

In other words, the original leak stated that except for the core cast, the ENTIRE cast was brand new, NO OTHER returning characters whatsoever. Currently, we've only got about 1-2 brand new characters, and both of them are arguable. Cia and Valga are based on OOT bosses, and Lana is quite likely short for Lanayru, and others have remarked how they think she might actually be Nayru in the past or some version of Nayru... I think its obvious where this is going, ultimately meaning that the only real new character is Wizro (and even he appears to be very similar in design to the Poe Collector from OOT).

That's a far cry from "an entirely new cast." I could see a cameo in the form of Ridley, perhaps, or some other nods, but not actual guest characters.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Yeah, we got Agitha the bug girl from TP confirmed, how is she original?

Well, there is the character Lana who we really don't know anything about other than their name. There's also the villains, Cia Valga and Wizro. So those are original, though Valga and Wizro are based off existing enemies.
EDIT:

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I have been thinking. Should Ridley have Samus' original victory jingle or should Ridley get his own original victory jingle?

 

[TitanTeaTime]

I have been thinking. Should Ridley have Samus' original victory jingle or should Ridley get his own original victory jingle?

I'd say some kind of remix of his own theme, like how Rosalina has a remix of SMG music.