Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Xhampi]

I'm surprised people still argue about canon size and keeping the scale between characters from the same series when we have things like this in Smash 4 already :

 

[Deleted member]

Actually Little Mac was made taller in the Punch Out Wii reboot, so they're just matching his height to the new canon.

To be honest I don't think we need to find any Smash canon reason as to why character's sizes vary so much from their respective canons, it's a non-canon spin-off, it doesn't need an excuse to up Kirby and Olimar in size. Unless it's a character defining trait, as is the case with Kraid, they can be stretched and molded whatever way Sakurai pleases. Ridley himself is one of the smaller Metroid bosses anyways, so it's no problem for him.

imo the only character whose defining trait is size is Olimar, but you don't see me complaining that Olimar is too small.

 

[Neo Zero]

Ridley's twice Samus' height generally, rough area of 12 feet. Not much larger than Bowser or Ganondorf if larger than the former at all. And Bowser has been significantly larger. Canon excuses really don't matter. The important point is size is irrelevant here.

The issue is, we're able to see how much area RIdley's shadow and Bowser's shadow take up on the same stage under the same lighting, to scale. And if anything Ridley without wings might be slightly smaller than Bowser. It's hard to say. But they're ridiculously close. Meanwhile, you would need four Bowsers to equate for the size Yellow Devil brings out, which he brings to a smaller stage of which he takes up nearly a third. Ridley is a boss on... a wide open flat stage with platforms that he takes up maybe a tenth of? That's not great, especially given how slowly he was seen moving.

So the issue isn't "can Ridley be resized", because not only CAN he, but he HAS been. It's not "WILL he be resized", because he has been. It's not "SHOULD he be resized" because that's your opinion which doesn't hold much weight compared to Sakurai's on the matter. Same with ours really, but apparently he should because he has been.

The question is, was Ridley made to be a deliberately disappointing boss, and is Sakurai attempting to hype up a character with the possibility of being playable ONLY to deconfirm him to one of the biggest downgrades Smash Bros. has ever delivered?

Doctor Mario, Pichu, Young Link, Roy, Mewtwo, Ivysaur, Squirtle say hello.

 

[Deleted member]

Doctor Mario, Pichu, Young Link, Roy, Mewtwo, Ivysaur, Squirtle say hello.

At least they are playable, I wouldn't mind a cloned playable Ridley

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

Wouldn't it be kinda funny to see Samus grab and throw Ridley? Funny as in, look wrong? I mean, he's gargantuan enough to do that, and he does that in the games, but I'm not sure how it'd be with Samus returning the favor. Thoughts?

 

[AustarusIV]

Wouldn't it be kinda funny to see Samus grab and throw Ridley? Funny as in, look wrong? I mean, he's gargantuan enough to do that, and he does that in the games, but I'm not sure how it'd be with Samus returning the favor. Thoughts?

Pikachu and Olimar can already throw Ganondorf around like a rag doll. Your point?

 

[Neo Zero]

Wouldn't it be kinda funny to see Samus grab and throw Ridley? I mean, he's gargantuan enough to do that, and he does that in the games, but I'm not sure how it'd be with Samus returning the favor.

She probably could in Metroid if it was programmed in. It's not like we're talking about Kraid here.

 

[Deleted member]

Wouldn't it be kinda funny to see Samus grab and throw Ridley? Funny as in, look wrong? I mean, he's gargantuan enough to do that, and he does that in the games, but I'm not sure how it'd be with Samus returning the favor. Thoughts?

I guess "funny" is Olimar being able to grab Bowser

 

[Neo Zero]

Plus Yoshi can eat Bowser. Canon strength and ability really doesn't mean **** here.

 

[Xhampi]

Doctor Mario, Pichu, Young Link, Roy, Mewtwo, Ivysaur, Squirtle say hello.

Yet you didn't see Sakurai trying to hype us with their removal, here it's pretty much like : "Hey smash fans, remember that character you keep asking me to add as a playable character since melee ? Well I'm going to tease him as a boss but not completly disconfirming him so you can suffer a little more before I confirm him as a boss for good, enjoy !"

.....

 

[Snagrio]

Doctor Mario, Pichu, Young Link, Roy, Mewtwo, Ivysaur, Squirtle say hello.

I...kinda have to agree on the first five. While Melee is praised to God-like proportions by the competitive scene, it has the worst roster in the series. Heck, Dr. Mario's trophies even point out how blatantly similar he is to Mario. Pichu had no business being there, Young Link easily could have had a unique moveset instead of copy/pasting adult Link, and Roy was literally a last minute advertisement. Then you got Mewtwo, the strongest of all Pokemon, ending up as one of the worst characters in the game.

However, Sakurai, besides some questionable choices for this game, has improved on his decisions when it comes to the roster, so hopefully Ridley won't have such a disappointing fate.

 

[Neo Zero]

Yet you didn't see Sakurai trying to hype us with their removal, here it's pretty much like : "Hey smash fans, remember that character you keep asking me to add as a playable character since melee ? Well I'm going to tease him as a boss but not completly disconfirming him so you can suffer a little more before I confirm him as a boss for good, enjoy !"

.....

Considering Sakurai reverse ages with his trolling, I can see why he does it.

 

[majora_787]

Ganondorf, the king of evil and resident demon king, is able to be thrown around by small children and animals. But Samus can't grab Ridley?

 

[Neo Zero]

Ganondorf, the king of evil and resident demon king, is able to be thrown around by small children and animals. But Samus can't grab Ridley?

Hey those kids are psychic, and animals have very disproportionate strength.

All this size and scaling talk makes me wonder how Big Ridley's Amiibo will be.

 

[Snagrio]

Wow, just fifty more pages of shenanigans to go. How the posts fly...

 

[Neo Zero]

Wow, just fifty more pages of shenanigans to go. How the posts fly...

When in doubt, start a size argument. You'll get at least 20 pages by the end of the day.

 

[AustarusIV]

Hey those kids are psychic, and animals have very disproportionate strength.

All this size and scaling talk makes me wonder how Big Ridley's Amiibo will be.

It will be as big as a small house.

But seriously, a Ridley amiibo would hype me more than anything else than this game has to offer.

 

[majora_787]

Hey those kids are psychic, and animals have very disproportionate strength.

All this size and scaling talk makes me wonder how Big Ridley's Amiibo will be.

That doesn't really account for much considering Ganondorf is generally one of the most canonically powerful Nintendo characters on any roster. Competition includes maybe Mewtwo, possibly Pit/Ike/Palutena/Rosalina. If Samus and Ridley fighting as usual is somehow wrong, then Ganondorf being toasted by small fry like that is RIDICULOUSLY wrong. I'm looking at you, Olimar / Star Fox team / Jigglyplorf.

 

[Neo Zero]

That doesn't really account for much considering Ganondorf is generally one of the most canonically powerful Nintendo characters on any roster. Competition includes maybe Mewtwo, possibly Pit/Ike/Palutena/Rosalina. If Samus and Ridley fighting as usual is somehow wrong, then Ganondorf being toasted by small fry like that is RIDICULOUSLY wrong. I'm looking at you, Olimar / Star Fox team / Jigglyplorf.

Jigglyplorf? Since when did Ganondorf and Jigglypuff do the fusion dance?

And oh god, the mental image.

 

[majora_787]

Jigglyplorf? Since when did Ganondorf and Jigglypuff do the fusion dance?

And oh god, the mental image.

More like Jiggly @Plorf , but I digress.

 

[Snagrio]

It will be as big as a small house.

But seriously, a Ridley amiibo would hype me more than anything else than this game has to offer.

Even more then playable Ridley himself?

 

[Deleted member]

Oh boy, just 50 pages to go, someone invite detractors

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

Ganondorf, the king of evil and resident demon king, is able to be thrown around by small children and animals. But Samus can't grab Ridley?

Precisely what I'm trying to say!

Anyways, I'm done debating for the day, as I can't really hammer many more points into my argument and I will soon be busy with my daily things. I guess I lost this one, although I stand firm in my standing, and I still have my reasons to disagree with the notion of Ridley being playable, but I have gained a newfound understanding of why people want Ridley and don't want him to be a boss. Thanks for the argument everyone, it was my pleasure, I love arguing by the way, and this was far better than my first Ridley argument I had here. Probably won't come back for another one, but thank you all (not being sarcastic here, I promise). This was probably pretty entertaining to the lurkers here by the way.

 

[Neo Zero]

@ Jerry Applesauce Remember, if you think Ridley is big, we've always had bigger.

 

[majora_787]

Oh boy, just 50 pages to go, someone invite detractors

One sec, I've got Gameforks on speed dial.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

@ Neo Zero But that's a boss and Final Smash! Don't provoke me into assertive mode man!

 

[Neo Zero]

@ Neo Zero But that's a boss and Final Smash! Don't provoke me into assertive mode man!

Who also obeys all Smash Physics unlike bosses such as Master Hand and the Yellow Devil.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Precisely what I'm trying to say!

Anyways, I'm done debating for the day, as I can't really hammer many more points into my argument and I will soon be busy with my daily things. I guess I lost this one, although I stand firm in my standing, and I still have my reasons to disagree with the notion of Ridley being playable, but I have gained a newfound understanding of why people want Ridley and don't want him to be a boss. Thanks for the argument everyone, it was my pleasure, I love arguing by the way, and this was far better than my first Ridley argument I had here. Probably won't come back for another one, but thank you all (not being sarcastic here, I promise). This was probably pretty entertaining to the lurkers here by the way.

I'm just happy you were so reasonable about it all. We don't have to agree of course, but discussing things in a proper manner is what's important. Most people who come here to argue against us seem to think that disagreeing with people make them your enemies (some people around here do that too tbh), so it's such a nice breath of fresh air when someone like you come in and give us questions to answer in a respectful manner. Discussing can be fun and insightful, and I think both parts can get a little perspective from these kind of chats.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Jigglyplorf? Since when did Ganondorf and Jigglypuff do the fusion dance?

And oh god, the mental image.

I imagine it would look something like this:

It would be wearing Ganondorf's clothes but I'm too lazy to photoshop that.

 

[AustarusIV]

Even more then playable Ridley himself?

Okay, you have a point there. But still, I would buy a Ridley amiibo even if it didn't do anything.

 

[Neo Zero]

I imagine it would look something like this:

It would be wearing Ganondorf's clothes but I'm too lazy to photoshop that.

I actually imagined it as a bigger Jigglypuff with a cape and Ganondorf's face.

 

[Snagrio]

Precisely what I'm trying to say!

Anyways, I'm done debating for the day, as I can't really hammer many more points into my argument and I will soon be busy with my daily things. I guess I lost this one, although I stand firm in my standing, and I still have my reasons to disagree with the notion of Ridley being playable, but I have gained a newfound understanding of why people want Ridley and don't want him to be a boss. Thanks for the argument everyone, it was my pleasure, I love arguing by the way, and this was far better than my first Ridley argument I had here. Probably won't come back for another one, but thank you all (not being sarcastic here, I promise). This was probably pretty entertaining to the lurkers here by the way.

It's strangely satisfying to have a civilized argument here. You stood your ground, yet still saw our side of things. I tip my shades to you, one Smashboarder to another.

And yes that last line is a parody to Rango.

 

[majora_787]

I'm just happy you were so reasonable about it all. We don't have to agree of course, but discussing things in a proper manner is what's important. Most people who come here to argue against us seem to think that disagreeing with people make them your enemies (some people around here do that too tbh), so it's such a nice breath of fresh air when someone like you come in and give us questions to answer in a respectful manner. Discussing can be fun and insightful, and I think both parts can get a little perspective from these kind of chats.

Yeah it's a really bad sign when someone agreeably disagreeing on the internet makes you really uncomfortable because in all your time using the internet it's one of the least common things ever.

EDIT: Plorf should clearly use that abomination as his avatar. Definitely.

 

[AustarusIV]

Precisely what I'm trying to say!

Anyways, I'm done debating for the day, as I can't really hammer many more points into my argument and I will soon be busy with my daily things. I guess I lost this one, although I stand firm in my standing, and I still have my reasons to disagree with the notion of Ridley being playable, but I have gained a newfound understanding of why people want Ridley and don't want him to be a boss. Thanks for the argument everyone, it was my pleasure, I love arguing by the way, and this was far better than my first Ridley argument I had here. Probably won't come back for another one, but thank you all (not being sarcastic here, I promise). This was probably pretty entertaining to the lurkers here by the way.

Sorry if I sounded harsh earlier. I've had to deal with bigoted detractors for 10+ years and it left me with a harsh attitude towards those who think supporting "a big ugly boss" was the worst thing imaginable. I don't mind if you don't support Ridley, and I won't force my beliefs upon you.

If you ever have a change of heart, I would be happy to accept you into the fold. But if not, that's all right with me.

 

[Neo Zero]

This is what happened to the last place that disagreed with Ridley

You think this scene is bad, you should see him when he lands on a Hotel in Monopoly.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Either way, that cutscene at beginning demonstrates alot of Ridleys personality to me, I built my headcanon of that and apparently its farely accurate to his manga appearance.

If it's any facial expression at all, I'd see the look on his face as more of a sneer than a smile, but that's me.

You forgot Captain N Ridley.

Seeing Captain N Ridley and Kraid side by side, I'm not sure which of them is worse.

At least the Ridley looks remotely like a dragon, although a very very stupid and fat one and still an abomination, but the Kraid is just... a staff wielding troll? No reptilian features at all... Megaman was also turned green in the cartoon, among other things.

*applies brain bleach to it all, and to the earlier Ridley and Andross body comparison*

 

[TitanTeaTime]

I actually imagined it as a bigger Jigglypuff with a cape and Ganondorf's face.

Ok yeah, that is a more amusing mental image I have to admit.

 

[Neo Zero]

If it's any facial expression at all, I'd see the look on his face as more of a sneer than a smile, but that's me.


Seeing Captain N Ridley and Kraid side by side, I'm not sure which of them is worse.

At least the Ridley looks remotely like a dragon, although a very very stupid and fat one and still an abomination, but the Kraid is just... a staff wielding troll? No reptilian features at all... Captain N also turned Megaman green, among other things.

*applies brain bleach to it all, and to the earlier Ridley and Andross body comparison*

They look like rejected designs for Bebop and Rocksteady tbqh

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I...kinda have to agree on the first five. While Melee is praised to God-like proportions by the competitive scene, it has the worst roster in the series. Heck, Dr. Mario's trophies even point out how blatantly similar he is to Mario. Pichu had no business being there, Young Link easily could have had a unique moveset instead of copy/pasting adult Link, and Roy was literally a last minute advertisement. Then you got Mewtwo, the strongest of all Pokemon, ending up as one of the worst characters in the game.

However, Sakurai, besides some questionable choices for this game, has improved on his decisions when it comes to the roster, so hopefully Ridley won't have such a disappointing fate.

That does explain why the almighty Mewtwo probably didn't make it in Brawl.

Though I'm not sure if he has it better or worse than Ganondorf...

 

[Nietona]

Wow, that Jerry Applesauce bloke was probably the politest detractor I've ever seen.

I think the biggest argument I would say we have for his inclusion as playable right now is the choppy animation, to be honest. Shadow analysis is pretty accurate, but it's shaky enough that I personally wouldn't use it as evidence.

A Ridley Amiibo couldn't be made. It'd take up the same space as your average yearly Christmas tree, and that's if you were lucky.