Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Reila]

Like I said, it's not because I dislike Pac-Man. It's because I hate the Sal leak. I'd be equally satisfied with a Palutena deconfirmation. While I don't dislike Pac-Man, I despise Palutena.

Well!

This may sound harsh, but if he is revealed as unplayable tomorrow, you're going to be disappointed regardless of how you feel. Hope springs eternal and all that.

Yeah, but I didn't choose to be "afraid", you know? It is involuntary.

 

[Phaazoid]

This is the point that I was getting at. Look at the information presented in the Direct to the ENTIRE audience.

The average Smash fan and the casual player who has a passing interest in Smash fan will have seen that part of the Direct and say, "Oh, I guess Ridley's a boss" for the former or "Oh we have to fight that Metroid dragon" in case of the latter. The average Ridley fan said "GODDAMN IT, A BOSS AGAIN?!" (that would be me). The majority of people are in those three groups. It's only a dozen or so rabid Ridley fans who interpret that to mean the exact OPPOSITE, spend huge amounts of time comparing shadows of various character under the Winter solstice sun in the southern hemisphere, invent perpetually flying game mechanics, invent a Ridley and "bigger" Ridley boss scenario, etc.

I really don't think Ridley is playable. Our most reliable leaks either don't have him listed as a playable character or state that he is a boss. I enjoy speculation and trying to work things out, but just try to keep things in perspective. Try to enjoy everything else that we get at E3.

First off, love your avi. Weezing is my #2 fav pkmn. I think I got off on the wrong foot with you before, what with me raving like a lunatic . I usually try not to take things too seriously, I'm not sure what got into me.

I think we agree on a lot of points. The only thing I would pick on here is you citing all the leaks, I don't believe any of them. I think it's a bunch of randoms, who may or may not have had lucky guesses into the actual roster, trying to get their stake at fame.

But, once again, none of us really know. I try to be a little more optimistic than you're being, but only time will tell .

Well!

xD can't please everyone, I guess. I have nothing specific against Palutena as a character, I just don't think Kid Icarus deserves a second rep. I would be just as happy seeing Palutena in as long as chorus men are out and sal is dead once and for all haha.

 

[Staarih]

What happened here? Seems like all optimism just vanished from this thread today.

Now that getting to know the fate of Ridley is (probably) SO close, we all just seem to go all crazy with our emotions. At least I, personally, have no idea what to feel right now haha. I don't want to get my hopes up but then again I sort of do...

 

[Saltwater Gem]

No reliable leak states he's a boss, the only reliable leak we actually have is Gematsu where he's absent from. Mind you I don't think he's playable either, just saying.

Whether I enjoy what they present at E3 or not depends entirely on what they present. I haven't been happy with quite a lot of choices Sakurai has made for this game, I'm not obliged to like whatever they show us, Ridley has no effect on any of that, whether he's confirmed or deconfirmed. If Pac-Man is shown I'm not going to be happy with it regardless, if K. Rool is shown I'm going to be happy regardless, if we get a new Metroid I'm going to be overly excited regardless.

Wasn't there a leak from a Brawl-era leaker that claimed Ridley was a boss? Not ChaosZero, the other guy...

I'm right there with you about Sakurai. If the leak is true and we're getting Mii, Pac-Man, Palutena, Chorus Men, and Chrom (so freaking blah), and NO new antagonists, combined with dragging out this Ridley thing and Wii Fit Trainer, I'm really going to be annoyed with Sakurai and the game in general. Giving the fans Mega Man and Little Mac doesn't mean we have to praise all the things we DID get in place of what we WANTED to get.

Sorry, I'm ranting, defying my own advice, AND getting ahead of things. Here's hoping he has an ace up his sleeve.

First off, love your avi. Weezing is my #2 fav pkmn. I think I got off on the wrong foot with you before, what with me raving like a lunatic . I usually try not to take things too seriously, I'm not sure what got into me.

I think we agree on a lot of points. The only thing I would pick on here is you citing all the leaks, I don't believe any of them. I think it's a bunch of randoms, who may or may not have had lucky guesses into the actual roster, trying to get their stake at fame.

But, once again, none of us really know. I try to be a little more optimistic than you're being, but only time will tell .

Thanks! I probably should have kept things civil a little better for my first time in the thread.

I'm definitely a huge pessimist, no doubt about it (if the above rant wasn't a big enough clue). My hype crashed hard and I need E3 to be a second wind.

 

[Snagrio]

I can't speak for everyone, but I am just afraid of being disappointed again. I can't help but feel pessimistic about Rids.

Sounds reasonable enough I suppose. Everyone's keeping themselves in check because the worst outcome is very possibly less then 24 hours away.

As for me though, I'll keep my hopes up. Sure the chances are high that they'll get dashed, but given that one of my other favorites (Palutena, Shulk, K. Rool, and/or Mewtwo) might fare better, I can rely on them to keep my excitement up regardless of Ridley's fate.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

What happened here? Seems like all optimism just vanished from this thread today.

I guess even with all of our evidence the fact that he MAY still not be playable is a scary thought

Also he's not mentioned in some leaks but relying on leaks for information is like relying on the kind yet smelly man dressed in black in a back of a dark alleyway to give you candy.

It could be candy, or it could be a one way trip to getting your bone marrow slowly taken out of you for 23 million.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Maybe it's because I wasn't around when Ridley was disconfirmed for Brawl...

But is it just me, or is everyone artificially lowering their expectations beyond reason? All the size arguments, shadow comparisons, choppy shots, and months of buildup are blatantly pointing toward Ridley being a playable character while simultaneously teasing/calling back his Brawl role, but everyone is looking at the glass half-empty to the point of accusing Sakurai of incredible incompetence over Ridley actually being an actual fighter.

Maybe I missed something, what proof do we have that Ridley is a boss? Besides Ridley's shadow when Sakurai was talking about boss characters?

 

[Morbi]

Why do we fear disappointed? The negative atmosphere does not aid anyone, and it does not even necessarily attenuate the disappointment once it occurs. The game has Ridley, or it does not have Ridley. It is really simple, let us enjoy our time together and express enthusiasm for our character. Why wallow in self-pity?

 

[Reila]

xD can't please everyone, I guess. I have nothing specific against Palutena as a character, I just don't think Kid Icarus deserves a second rep. I would be just as happy seeing Palutena in as long as chorus men are out and sal is dead once and for all haha.

No problem. I am personally hoping Chrom is disconfirmed, not because FE doesn't deserve a third rep, but because Chrom is the epitome of a boring character. Plus, he isn't even the protagonist of the "game that saved the franchise". Let Robin be the new rep.

 

[Morbi]

Maybe it's because I wasn't around when Ridley was disconfirmed for Brawl...

But is it just me, or is everyone artificially lowering their expectations beyond reason? All the size arguments, shadow comparisons, choppy shots, and months of buildup are blatantly pointing toward Ridley being a playable character while simultaneously teasing/calling back his Brawl role, but everyone is looking at the glass half-empty to the point of accusing Sakurai of incredible incompetence over Ridley actually being an actual fighter.

Maybe I missed something, what proof do we have that Ridley is a boss? Besides Ridley's shadow when Sakurai was talking about boss characters?

Indeed. It is a defense mechanism, it honestly bothers me to an extent. Why come here and assert, "I do not think it is going to happen, I dunno he could be a boss, maybe we were wrong, I am just keeping my expectations low." No offense, but STFU. If you feel that way, maybe offer some optimism at the very least?

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Maybe it's because I wasn't around when Ridley was disconfirmed for Brawl...

But is it just me, or is everyone artificially lowering their expectations beyond reason? All the size arguments, shadow comparisons, choppy shots, and months of buildup are blatantly pointing toward Ridley being a playable character while simultaneously teasing/calling back his Brawl role, but everyone is looking at the glass half-empty to the point of accusing Sakurai of incredible incompetence over Ridley actually being an actual fighter.

Maybe I missed something, what proof do we have that Ridley is a boss? Besides Ridley's shadow when Sakurai was talking about boss characters?

There was the one leak that said Ridley is a boss/stage hazard. I know people don't like to put too much faith in leaks, but this came from someone who had reliable information about Brawl.

 

[Phaazoid]

No problem. I am personally hoping Chrom is disconfirmed, not because FE doesn't deserve a third rep, but because Chrom is the epitome of a boring character

I don't want Chrom because I don't want 3 blue haired FE sword lords. Makes me hope for Robin, haha.

Perfect E3 reveal of 3 for me would be Robin/Ridley/Mewtwo

There'd be so much hype, and it'd clean up the metroid/fe/pkmn speculation so nicely

then I'd just have to cross my fingers for isaac and ray01 xD

 

[majora_787]

No problem. I am personally hoping Chrom is disconfirmed, not because FE doesn't deserve a third rep, but because Chrom is the epitome of a boring character. Plus, he isn't even the protagonist of the "game that saved the franchise". Let Robin be the new rep.

Except he is and Robin isn't actually a character so in a series where every single game is 99% actual characters and not 99% player-customized avatars which makes him really bad representation for the series, BUT that's not a Ridley thread issue.

Honestly, I WAS around for when Ridley was deconfirmed for Brawl, and the negativity still chafes my ass a bit. Especially when it dips into the Twilight Zone for its mindset. But what can you do, the Ridley fanbase's story is a tale of woe and misfortune.

EDIT: Yes, that's about it. That Sakurai mentioned boss characters while Ridley's shadow flew through the background, and Sakurai would never troll us. Especially not in the exact same direct where this happened.

 

[Snagrio]

Shoot, I hope Ridley is playable because if he isn't, Morbid will leave. I don't want her to leave!

 

[Reila]

Of course Robin is a character. But I will not discuss this with someone who thinks Metroid Fusion is a bad game.

I don't want Chrom because I don't want 3 blue haired FE sword lords. Makes me hope for Robin, haha.

Perfect E3 reveal of 3 for me would be Robin/Ridley/Mewtwo

There'd be so much hype, and it'd clean up the metroid/fe/pkmn speculation so nicely

then I'd just have to cross my fingers for isaac and ray01 xD

Yeah, that would be cool. A newcomer instead of Mewtwo would be even better, with Mewtwo being also revealed, of course. Something like Robin/Ridley/K. Rool, with Mewtwo as a returning veteran.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Indeed. It is a defense mechanism, it honestly bothers me to an extent. Why come here and assert, "I do not think it is going to happen, I dunno he could be a boss, maybe we were wrong, I am just keeping my expectations low." No offense, but STFU. If you feel that way, maybe offer some optimism at the very least?

Honestly, I feel like a fresh new recruit in an army of people who experienced WWII, Vietnam, and the Afghan wars simultaneously.

And our mission is simple escort mission, but everyone is bracing themselves for a literal war against the legions of hell and bemoaning the fact that they're not going to survive. And the entire mission, I'm just looking forward to dinner.

 

[Morbi]

If the inevitable happens and Ridley is not deconfirmed, so be it. It just was not meant to be; but for now, I am confident that that is not the case. I do not want to adhere to a self-fulfilling prophecy, so I am going to keep smiling in the event that he is a boss; because, at the very least, Ridley is in the game. That is more than most fan-bases can say about their characters.

 

[majora_787]

Of course Robin is a character. But I will not discuss this with someone who thinks Metroid Fusion is a bad game.

Yeah, that would be cool. A newcomer instead of Mewtwo would be even better, with Mewtwo being also revealed, of course. Something like Robin/Ridley/K. Rool, with Mewtwo as a returning veteran.

Well that's cute that you're going to discount people entirely because they disagree with you and/or don't like Fusion despite its flaws. This was a wonderful chat. Thanks.

 

[Reila]

Well that's cute that you're going to discount people entirely because they disagree with you and/or don't like Fusion despite its flaws. This was a wonderful chat. Thanks.

You're welcome.

And sorry if I bothered you with my pessimism, Morbid. I am still hoping for Ridley to be revealed tomorrow.

 

[RidleyDX]

Hello guys one more day hopefully, to stop me from going crazy in anticipation I'am playing zero mission for the first time! This game is a time burner. And I initially missed the charge shot

 

[DustyPumpkin]

 

[majora_787]

Hello guys one more day hopefully, to stop me from going crazy in anticipation I'am playing zero mission for the first time! This game is a time burner. And I initially missed the charge shot

I still need to get around to Zero Mission. Ridley demands I face his green-scaled origin appearance.

 

[Morbi]

Shoot, I hope Ridley is playable because if he isn't, Morbid will leave. I don't want her to leave!

I did not even realize that anyone cared, half the reason I even did it was to incite confidence in everyone else. I stand by that decision.

 

[Reila]

I need to finish this game some day.

 

[Phaazoid]

Of course Robin is a character. But I will not discuss this with someone who thinks Metroid Fusion is a bad game.

Yeah, that would be cool. A newcomer instead of Mewtwo would be even better, with Mewtwo being also revealed, of course. Something like Robin/Ridley/K. Rool, with Mewtwo as a returning veteran.

I mean, while I would definitely enjoy that more, I don't see them showing off more than 3 new characters, and even though Mewtwo is technically a vet, I can't see them not giving him the newcomer treatment, a little trailer and everything. I'm trying to manage my expectations here, if I start wishing for that much awesome I'm gonna be sad no matter what gets announced haha

Lets start with Ridley, and manage expectations from there xD

Honestly, I feel like a fresh new recruit in an army of people who experienced WWII, Vietnam, and the Afghan wars simultaneously.

And our mission is simple escort mission, but everyone is bracing themselves for a literal war against the legions of hell and bemoaning the fact that they're not going to survive. And the entire mission, I'm just looking forward to dinner.

don't forget WWI. those trenches were awful .

you can sign me up for dinner though

 

[Morbi]

You're welcome.

And sorry if I bothered you with my pessimism, Morbid. I am still hoping for Ridley to be revealed tomorrow.

No, it was not you, it was just the collective nature of the emotion. I understand that we are approaching the biggest event of the year and all of our time here will be for naught; however, that is not the case. I am glad that I got to spend so much time with Ridley fans that stuck around after the Direct. Ridley fans that did not need cookie cutter arguments to refute some of the most incompetent character detractors around. In the end, that is more important than a character in a video-game. I heard horrible things about this thread, but once I "joined" I realized that they were not true. There is no reason to act the way they "want" us to act.

 

[Reila]

I mean, while I would definitely enjoy that more, I don't see them showing off more than 3 new characters, and even though Mewtwo is technically a vet, I can't see them not giving him the newcomer treatment, a little trailer and everything. I'm trying to manage my expectations here, if I start wishing for that much awesome I'm gonna be sad no matter what gets announced haha

Lets start with Ridley, and manage expectations from there xD

I think if Mewtwo is back, it will not get a trailer exclusively for it. I can see it being the Charizard for a newcomer's trailer, which is a treatment most veterans didn't have the pleasure to get. I am not the biggest fan of Mewtwo, but I am supporter solely for the fact it is one of the most requested characters, plus I want to see Mega Mewtwo (Y) in Smash.

 

[AustarusIV]

Hello guys one more day hopefully, to stop me from going crazy in anticipation I'am playing zero mission for the first time! This game is a time burner. And I initially missed the charge shot

I'm going to fight NES Ridley in anticipation for tomorrow. He, Ridley-X, Other M Ridley, and Zero Mission Ridley are the only Ridleys left that I still have yet to encounter.

 

[Phaazoid]

I think if Mewtwo is back, it will not get a trailer exclusively for it. I can see it being the Charizard for a newcomer's trailer, which is a treatment most veterans didn't have the pleasure to get. I am not the biggest fan of Mewtwo, but I am supporter solely for the fact it is one of the most requested characters, plus I want to see Mega Mewtwo (Y) in Smash.

I could see it happening like Charizard, except for the fact that there aren't really any more Pokemon for him to be announced with. You could do it with another villain, maybe, though. Like Ganondorf, but he doesn't merit a trailer, either...

So the only logical answer would be to have him be the Charizard in Ridley's reveal trailer. No that, that would hype me.

 

[Reila]

I could see it happening like Charizard, except for the fact that there aren't really any more Pokemon for him to be announced with. You could do it with another villain, maybe, though. Like Ganondorf, but he doesn't merit a trailer, either...

So the only logical answer would be to have him be the Charizard in Ridley's reveal trailer. No that, that would hype me.

It could share a trailer with Ridley and K. Rool , because why not?

Though it doesn't need to share the trailer with a Pokémon or villain, technically Mewtwo can appear in whoever's announcement trailer.

Or maybe it will just get its own trailer, like you suggested.

 

[JohnathanACE]

I could see it happening like Charizard, except for the fact that there aren't really any more Pokemon for him to be announced with. You could do it with another villain, maybe, though. Like Ganondorf, but he doesn't merit a trailer, either...

So the only logical answer would be to have him be the Charizard in Ridley's reveal trailer. No that, that would hype me.

Ganondorf could get his own trailer if he's completely been revamped so I think a trailer with him and Mewtwo facing off is quite possible.

 

[AndreaAC]

I have my hopes on Ridley's reveal, but if for one reason he's not playable, I will have my poor heart broken....the same way it happened with Little Mac and Greninja since I was specting Ridley...It is now or never.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Personally I;d like Ridley's Reveal Trailer to hav him fight against K.Rool or Tetra or Captain Syrup
Basically a Pirate Battle cause that would be awesome

 

[majora_787]

I have my hopes on Ridley's reveal, but if for one reason he's not playable, I will have my poor heart broken....the same way it happened with Little Mac and Greninja since I was specting Ridley...It is now or never.

Our waifu will be playable Andrea don't worry. :'c (Hehe I had to. I'm sorry)

Honestly I'm totally done making bets on E3. I just want to see what happens tomorrow. It'll be a long and crazy day.

 

[Morbi]

I have my hopes on Ridley's reveal, but if for one reason he's not playable, I will have my poor heart broken....the same way it happened with Little Mac and Greninja since I was specting Ridley...It is now or never.

Never say never. Ridley is not the kind of guy (space dragon) to give up, and neither should we! If he is not in the game, no doubt there will be some discontent, but it is not over until Smash is cancelled.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Is the general consensus in here that if he isn't revealed tomorrow, he's not playable?

If I were you guys, I would honestly hope for the best, but expect the worst to happen. Simply so that it doesn't hurt as hard if he isn't playable, but it's that much more sweet when he IS playable.

That might just be me though. . Good luck tomorrow guys!

 

[JohnathanACE]

Is the general consensus in here that if he isn't revealed tomorrow, he's not playable?

That really depends if he's shown on Pyro Sphere, if thats the case then no I don't think he'll be playable.

 

[Phaazoid]

It could share a trailer with Ridley and K. Rool , because why not?

Though it doesn't need to share the trailer with a Pokémon or villain, technically Mewtwo can appear in whoever's announcement trailer.

Or maybe it will just get its own trailer, like you suggested.

Just throw an all villains trailer together, haha. That'd be an E3 to remember.

Is the general consensus in here that if he isn't revealed tomorrow, he's not playable?

If I were you guys, I would honestly hope for the best, but expect the worst to happen. Simply so that it doesn't hurt as hard if he isn't playable, but it's that much more sweet when he IS playable.

That might just be me though. . Good luck tomorrow guys!

idk man. If they don't show him at all, isn't that even more of a tease? It's really hard to tell at this point. we'll have to wait and see.

 

[False Sense]

Is the general consensus in here that if he isn't revealed tomorrow, he's not playable?

That kind of depends, I think. If he's confirmed as a boss tomorrow, he's probably out of the picture, I think. However, if E3 goes by and we still don't hear or see anything about stage hazard Ridley/Pyrosphere, that might suggest they're hiding something about that stage.

 

[majora_787]

I'm saying that if he isn't shown on Tuesday OR Wednesday and the demo shows him as a boss then I consider him not playable. Any other outcome and I'm holding out.