Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Exegguter]

Shhh you Shhh.
No room for non believers in this thread.

I'm a believer man, but I'm covering myself for the ultimate dissapointment if it might happen

 

[samsparta21]

I still think that the whole fact that he was flying, and flying STEADY in the Direct, really makes it unlikely. There's no way a fighter would have a recovery that overpowered. Also, how did Sakurai control him so perfectly that he never moved vertically at all?

 

[Critzilean]

I'm gonna have this thread open during Direct just so I can vent my excitement as soon as he gets announced ^_^

 

[samsparta21]

I'm gonna have this thread open during Direct just so I can vent my excitement as soon as he gets announced ^_^

"As soon as he gets announced"
He won't be. Even if he's playable, he seems like the type of character to be unlockable, so he wouldn't be announced at E3.

 

[Reila]

I'm gonna have this thread open during Direct just so I can vent my excitement as soon as he gets announced ^_^

...Or your disappointment as soon as he gets disconfirmed. Seriously, you guys should prepare yourselves for both outcomes.

 

[Critzilean]

...Or your disappointment as soon as he gets disconfirmed. Seriously, you guys should prepare yourselves for both outcomes.

I am prepared for both, just being REALLY optimistic

 

[samsparta21]

I am prepared for both, just being REALLY optimistic

Bad things come of "expecting" him to be in.

 

[Oz37]

You know, I am of the same mind that we should be prepared for either outcome, but at the same time, there's no need to constantly rain on the optimistics' parade. If they are confident, let them enjoy it. We should probably stop treating them like children and chiding them for being hopeful.

For all of your sakes, I hope to see Ridley make his playable debut tomorrow... (and now I'm having trouble not bursting into "One Day More" from Les Miserables)

 

[Phaazoid]

There is a lot of depth behind those words RealTalk.

I love when I see RealTalk like propa Real talking one of the reasons I was upset when WarioFan left.

Annomuls is a good one too. Majora also

Thanks, I try xD

and @ samsparta21 , you're being super negative man. I'm not claiming to know if Ridley's playable or not but, have a little faith bro. The hype is getting to our heads.

 

[Reila]

I am not treating anyone as child, I am just giving an advice. I am also excited for Ridley's possible reveal, which means I will possibly be disappointed tomorrow.

 

[Critzilean]

For all of your sakes, I hope to see Ridley make his playable debut tomorrow... (and now I'm having trouble not bursting into "One Day More" from Les Miserables)

I've been singing "Tomorrow" from Annie for the past 20 minutes XD

 

[samsparta21]

Thanks, I try xD

and @ samsparta21 , you're being super negative man. I'm not claiming to know if Ridley's playable or not but, have a little faith bro. The hype is getting to our heads.

Not mine. There's a good chance he would be unlockable, like Ganondorf before him, so even if he's playable, an E3 reveal is unlikely. Further backed up by the fact that when Luigi was revealed, Sakurai specifically said he would have normally revealed Luigi after release.

 

[Phaazoid]

Not mine. There's a good chance he would be unlockable, so even if he's playable, an E3 reveal is unlikely.

Further backed up by the fact that when Luigi was revealed, Sakurai specifically said he would have normally revealed Luigi after release.

That is a good point. If you remember like a few months ago (idk if you were here or not) before the boss trailer thing I was telling people I expected Ridley to be a hidden character, and wouldn't be revealed at E3. Not sure what I believe now, the hype tendrils have invaded my hippocampus, and my memories are starting to corrupt.

 

[Oz37]

I am not treating anyone as child, I am just giving an advice. I am also excited for Ridley's possible reveal, which means I will possibly be disappointed tomorrow.

And to give advice is fine, but to continually come back and say, "Don't get your hopes up," again and again is not advising, it's haranguing. Honestly, I haven't paid too much attention to who's saying what, but the fact that I can scroll through each page of the thread and see people trying to bring others down from their excitement is enough to know that it's too much.

I'm not trying to be argumentative by any means, I'm just saying let them dream a little longer. Don't feel required to fill others with your own doubts. You've said your piece, now let it go... let it go... here I stand and here I'll stay... the cold never bothered me anyway... (this moment brought to you by Frozen)

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

And thats it the last update is not ridley related

He survived all the way to E3 tomorrow.

 

[Reila]

I dunno, not revealing the most expected newcomer in the west sounds like a dumb decision. Then again it is Nintendo we're talking about here.

 

[Exegguter]

...Or your disappointment as soon as he gets disconfirmed. Seriously, you guys should prepare yourselves for both outcomes.

Exactly what I'm thinking. It's a 50/50 bet

 

[Oz37]

I've been singing "Tomorrow" from Annie for the past 20 minutes XD

I feel like I should come in tomorrow when Ridley's fate is known to sing either "Do You Hear the People Sing?" or "Empty Chairs" depending on the outcome. For now, we'll prepare the flags and trumpets.

 

[Phaazoid]

I dunno, not revealing the most expected newcomer in the west sounds like a dumb decision. Then again it is Nintendo we're talking about here.

Yeah, I dunno. He just seemed like hidden character material to me. Until the hype got to me. Now I don't know anything.

 

[Dark Phazon]

What. When did people start doing it intentionally? I don't see it anywhere near often enough to imply that.

Hmmmm it's ok it seems to be a meme I have seen a few people use it on MiiVerse as well but I think it just sounds stupid.

I caught this idiot using it.

 

[Xhampi]

...Or your disappointment as soon as he gets disconfirmed. Seriously, you guys should prepare yourselves for both outcomes.

I'm one of the most sceptical Ridley believers here but yeah, I just can't prepare myself for a non-playable Ridley, my reaction after the direct is enough for me to see that even if I've been expecting a boss Ridley just as much than playable Ridley those last 2 months, I'm still going to get pissed, A LOT !

And there is nothing that I can do about it, no ammount of telling myself to calm down if Ridley is not playable have worked.

Ridley's fate is still what will make me either buy the games or not buy the games at all.

Those smash games might be the best games of their system but I have nothing to look forward to if Ridley isn't playable, the new characters just don't interest me, I don't like some changes made to the veterans, I don't care about the new stages and the music of those games will be released on youtube soon after the release anyway.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

ITS TIME FOR A REPOST

Part 1

Spoiler

Alright this is the biggest thing I have ever posted I really hope I did well

first off I like to thank lackadaisyalex for this it does almost all of the arguments' part's for me

but I will be doing some of the arguments anyway

now then

it all started with this

after the yellow devil Ridley gets shown

but this does not mean that Ridley is not playable and I will show you why and then the after this will be the best part

toon link survived despite his cameo appearance

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well first off most of us thought toon link was kicked because of this happening

he was a stage cameo instead of playable we all thought because of that he was doomed to come back.

"but..."
on 9/26 2013
http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/toon_link.html
Wait wait wait, but that's impossible he was a cameo before how did toon link survived. Well turns out sakurai had something prepared

Alfonzo is taking toon Links place when he is being played as

So what does this have to do with Ridley well it's this.

Well sakurai called this stage the pyrosphere.

but there's something that's plausible it's this

pyrosphere is NOT the correct name for where you fight Ridley
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Geothermal_Power_Plant
that's the correct name

pyrosphere is the name of the fire world in other m not the room. This may be a scrolling room some of the stages already confirmed and some of the past ones, For example this one

in this quote looks suspicious

Hmmm now that's suspicious.

Now where I'm going is this.

the Goyagma

and the Vorash

(This user of the videos is not me before you ask.)

They could be boss hazards and Ridley as well if this is a scrolling stage.

In other words the Goyagma, and Vorash, maybe bosses, but when Ridley, is being played as Ridley may be simply turned off

which brings the next thing

Both boss hazard and playable

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We know this is Ridley.

And could be a hazard, but it does not roll out playable if he was boss and here's why.

remember this fight on Kirby air ride city trial.

Yea he's a boss in city trial

'But look...'

Start at 2:19ish

That's playable Dedede also on city trial.

So Dedede is both playable, and a boss, on city trial.

So going back the stage thing that's how I think Ridley. Simply disable will work when he's in the arena if a scrolling stage.

OK next up is

Sakurai can have a change of heart

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Now what's this has to do with him well its this.

OK what he is saying is Ridley is impossible. But change of heart is very likely.

What it means he thought villager was not suitable for battle.

He had a change of heart obviously.
http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/villager.html

So, he made villager playable.

Now for exhibit B

He claimed that Namco would not get any special treatment. If he said that why did this get added to smash.

And these guys from galaga (which is made by Namco)

the S flag is a proud symbol of Namco and how charizard is holding it. It is probably going to be an assist trophy based item. That is nothing but retro Namco character that the S flag was in probably

And also not to mention this helps pac-man, and that's a Namco character. And, Sakurai probably knows that if he lets pac-man in as playable his game is going to make history

(worlds first game with Mario sonic mega man pac-man all playable in one game)

(I suppose another is the first time ever Ridley is playable in something that's not fan based game if confirmed playable)

and now for the big apple pie


HES WAY TOO BIG YOU FOOLS

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This is by far the worst argument in the history of these forms.

EVERYBODY HAS BEN HUGE AND SHRUKEN AND PLAYABLES HAVE BEN SMALLER THAN THEY HAVE BEN NOT PLAYABLE

Let's start with Bowser.

Oh he was this once.

WROOOONG

They did it twice. (Unless the left is fan based ofcoarse.) and that's not the only time he was huge.

So he resize's Bowser All of the time in stuff. (Without any magical stuff he grab's .)

but when playable.

He's smaller.

And this is with a bunch of other character's with shrinkage or growth.

"King k rool"

"Boss"

He's even bigger in this.

But playable.

WTF a toad is half his height.

"Petey pirhana"

But playable.

Luigi is almost as tall as him.

And here's my favorite

"Quenn bee"

"Boss"

But playable

FROM TITAN SIZE TO A TOAD 3/4 HER SIZE WHAT?!?!?!?!

in other words characters get shrunken when playable

And this one i give credit too @SchAlternate

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This is ridley possible biggest size and its still very close to playable, and this proves that ridley's size in that shadow footage is smaller than the super metroid but pretty dang close.

and ofcoarse this kills it
http://nintendoeverything.com/super-smash-bros-for-3ds-screenshot-21914/
the quote of this is
This dog is huge… Wait, no, the playable characters are small. The Smash Bros. series doesn’t always stay true to scale

ok that kills the argument CYA
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link to part 2
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-ridley-for-super-smash-brothers-for-wii-u-3ds-thread.324284/page-637#post-16728288

 

[Exegguter]

And thats it the last update is not ridley related

He survived all the way to E3 tomorrow.

There's still tomorrow. Isabelle got confirmed on the day if the direct as well.

Not that they would disconfirm him in a potd tomorrow, but still..

 

[Reila]

I'm one of the most sceptical Ridley believers here but yeah, I just can't prepare myself for a non-playable Ridley, my reaction after the direct is enough for me to see that even if I've been expecting a boss Ridley just as much than playable Ridley those last 2 months, I'm still going to get pissed, A LOT !

And there is nothing that I can do about it, no ammount of telling myself to calm down if Ridley is not playable have worked.

Ridley's fate is still what will make me either buy the games or not buy the games at all.

Those smash games might be the best games of their system but I have nothing to look forward to if Ridley isn't playable, the new characters just don't interest me, I don't like some changes made to the veterans, I don't care about the new stages and the music of those games will be released on youtube soon after the release anyway.

I agree partially with your sentiment. While I am certainly excited by some stuff in the new game, Ridley is the thing that matters the most for me. I will probably pick the game with or without playable Ridley, but if he is just a boss again, I will hardly bother buying the game day one. Well, unless they announce another character I want almost as much as Ridley, but that is also unlikely to happen.

 

[Deleted member]

Hmmmm it's ok it seems to be a meme I have seen a few people use it on MiiVerse as well but I think it just sounds stupid.

I caught this idiot using it.

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...I feel like it's more than a coincidence that this user's name is Phazon as well...
Did you stage this yourself?

 

[Exegguter]

I agree partially with your sentiment. While I am certainly excited by some stuff in the new game, Ridley is the thing that matters the most for me. I will probably pick the game with or without playable Ridley, but if he is just a boss again, I will hardly bother buying the game day one. Well, unless they announce another character I want almost as much as Ridley, but that is also unlikely to happen.

I always agree with you yo XDDD

This roster sucks ass!!! I'm feeling no one (except male wft, but I'm not hyped for him..). I really hope they'll come with something good tomorrow or it won't be a pre-order for me till I see the final roster...

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Part 2 shadow analyze

Part 2 of the shadow analysis: Before we start, I would like to address one more thing out of Part 1:

HE DECONFIRMED RIDLEY!

Spoiler

When the footage was shown in the Yellow Devil section, he never mentioned Ridley as another boss; He only heavily implied so.

He also deconfirms characters without beating around the bush, as with Waluigi, Ashley, Dillon, Wonder Red...

Sakurai:
"We didn’t introduce ALL of the Assist Trophies in the Smash Bros. Direct. Here’s Dillon from Dillon’s Rolling Western!! He may rival Sonic in the art of rolling.
This is his trophy. He may be an animal, and his buckles are definitely on the adorable side, but there’s no denying he looks cool!! His Assist Trophy can even do things like a quick charge."

Sakurai:
"The Wonderful 100!! We also made trophies of some of the other Wonderful Ones."

There's a precedence of deconfirming characters directly. Ridley was not directly deconfirmed, so his chances still remain high.

Anyhow, onto the second part.

HE'S HUGE!

Spoiler

Yeah, about that...

Okay, yeah, it DOES looks huge, but his shadow doesn't cover the central platform with the little pegs there.

Why is that relevant? Well, look at this picture.

His shadow is not as big as the center platform, which means he is smaller than he lets on.

Plus, his wings give off the illusion that his body is enormous.

But if we take some measurements...

We can see that his wingspan far exceeds his body.

And if we exclude the wings of the shadow picture above:

Wow, that's so much smaller.

And another thing:

the shadow does stretch out at points, so its an illusion to make Ridley much larger than he appears to be:

Not only is the shadow much larger, but the bottom is really stretched.

HE'S A BOSS CHARACTER, NOT A PLAYABLE CHARACTER!

Spoiler

Possible, but the exact quote was:
"Boss characters makes appearances in other stages, not just this one."

Why say boss characters?

I mean, these guys are/were bosses in their own games at some point, and they're characters.

Yes, even good ol' DK. So we can't rule out vague diction.

Another point against him being a boss: Did you notice Pikachu actually escapes Ridley?

Now this was a few moments before Ridley started flying again.

Spoiler

So how did Pikachu escape without any struggle? He was definitely not struggling.
According to the wiki on grabs, if your damage is at 0%, you can escape without struggle in about six seconds.

But the absolute weirdest sign is that just before the footage fade out, he may have jumped.
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Compare with Brawl Ridley(s). Their movement is so smooth and well-telegraphed, much like most bosses in other games.

Compare with shadow footage Ridley. His movement is so jerky, much like how every character throughout the Smash Bros. series moves.

For all we know, that quote could mean anything.

SIZE COMPARION

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Alright, let's start with the most important thing in my opinion: his hand and tail.

Pictured: Ridley's hand.

Pictured: Ridley's tail. (Estimated)

Because these shadows are on a wall, the only thing that can distort it is a zoom in effect on the picture. But since the shadows mostly stay true to the size of the characters, these are at least 80% accurate to actual size, in my opinion.

And it took me a while, but I found a another character shadow on the pillar, Donkey Kong.

At 2:29, look at the pillar, slow down the video, and don't blink.

That's my estimate, but I'm probably off on the fill in, so keep that in mind.

Ridley's tail is no where near Donkey Kong's height. It is most likely only 1/2 ish of Donkey Kong's height.

and his hand is only 1/6 of Donkey Kong's height.

Onto the hand!

Picture A: Ridley's size in Other M.

Picture B: angel glory's resized Ridley holding Samus.

Judging by the hand picture, if we increase the size of the hand shadow by a few knuckles, doing so would most likely yield Ridley's size from Picture B.
As for his tail, it's most likely this size:

Left: This is the size of Ridley's tail in Other M as compared to Samus.

Right: This is the estimated size of Ridley's tail in Sm4sh as compared to Pikachu.

Credit to @Dalek_Kolt for this

Assuming the blob above is Pikachu, roughly six Ridley tails can fit inside Pikachu.
Therefore, Ridley's range of sizes are these, hardly boss-sized.

Ridley's largest size:

Ridley's smallest size:

Size comparison with Bigley and Smalley:

Bonus Yellow Devil comparison.

Next up his head:

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his head is right there and my estimates are correct by his head size and kirbys shadow (which will be a little lower on this post)
is 2/3 or 1/2 ridleys head

And now the best part of them all: Body comparisons!

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Okay, I gathered a few pictures of as many character's shadows as possible. (If you want to help me with this part, you can find me some full shadow pictures of other characters that aren't being covered by other obstructing/obscuring objects.)

As I mentioned earlier, Ridley's wings make him look a lot bigger, so for estimation purposes, I excluded the wings for size comparison. Also keep in mind that these aren't 100% perfect.

Heeeeeere we go

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Charizard

Source:

at 2:01

Kirby

Source:

Go to 1:25
(Don't blink and you will see it. This took me many attempts to get this one.)

Zero Suit Samus (And by extension, Samus)

Source:
http://smashbros-miiverse.com/
you will see it under the correct categorys

Greninja

(this one was Really tough)

See Charizard for the source, and go to 1:38.

(With a keen eye, you can see Greninja's shadow)

Rosalina
(This is by far the most useful for arguments, because Rosalina and Bowser are almost the exact same height.)

(yes I know because of how she is its the best I can do)

Rosalina is almost as large as Ridley's whole body!

Source:

Go to 2:18.

(but if you guys/girls not commenced by this see if you can get me a better Rosalina shadow)

Ok Bowser is next

The Next picture is where the shadow is.
(picture by @ majora_787 )

So, with this now without a further ado. Here is the pin points.

Blue, & Green, = shadow positions.

Red, & Yellow, = Approximate measurement of the shadow over here.

Hehehe look at that "Bowsers shadow is almost as big as Ridleys."

Source:
http://smashbros-miiverse.com/
you will see it under the correct categorys

And going back to Rosalina's shadow.

Like I Said Rosalina, & Bowser Are Almost the same Height

and now the best for last

I did Mother Brain, but I did Ridley's shadow points instead.

(The green dot is on the other size because that's his foot. And since Pikachu is on the other side, I need to use his other foot for reference.)

Wait a Second Ridley shadow is smaller than mother brains

look at these

Ridley has always been bigger than Mother Brain, (Well, except for the NES, but Zero Mission retconned that) so why is Mother Brain's shadow now bigger than Ridley's?

well that's what I got you want more you can help for finding more shadows of other characters or better pictures or mention anything I missed I will post it for a part 3 (sectioned missed arguments)

so what are you thoughts

link to part 1
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...ii-u-3ds-thread.324284/page-636#post-16727842]

Ridley fate will be tomorrow.

 

[samsparta21]

Y'know there's still a chance that nothing Ridley-related will surface tomorrow. If that's the case the Pyrosphere at Smash Fest should clear things up.

 

[Zem-raj]

Y'know there's still a chance that nothing Ridley-related will surface tomorrow. If that's the case the Pyrosphere at Smash Fest should clear things up.

If nothing Ridley related is shown during the Direct or during the tournament, you can be sure that at least someone will ask about Ridley in the SSB4 conference round table meeting. If Ridley isn't shown at E3 at all or mentioned (or even Sakurai avoids the subject), and isn't even in the demo, then something's up...

 

[majora_787]

I don't have much preparing to do. I've had to try *RIDICULOUSLY* hard to be optimistic about Ridley. If he gets deconfirmed I'll just be tired more than anything.

EDIT: You know, we still don't really know how much Sakurai even cares about showing hidden characters this time. He seems to not care too much.

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

I still think that the whole fact that he was flying, and flying STEADY in the Direct, really makes it unlikely. There's no way a fighter would have a recovery that overpowered. Also, how did Sakurai control him so perfectly that he never moved vertically at all?

He fell at one point and then jumped, he DID NOT. Fly steadily.

 

[majora_787]

He fell at one point and then jumped, he DID NOT. Fall steadily.

Hey, maybe Bossley can't fly and has to jump on the paltforms so he can float around like Peach for short periods of time Isn't that a great system to use on a boss and not a playable character

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

Y'know there's still a chance that nothing Ridley-related will surface tomorrow. If that's the case the Pyrosphere at Smash Fest should clear things up.

There's also a chance that no newcomers could be shown. There's also a chance no vets could be shown. There's also a chance no new items will be shown.

Hey, maybe Bossley can't fly and has to jump on the paltforms so he can float around like Peach for short periods of time Isn't that a great system to use on a boss and not a playable character

Oh, yes, totally. Brilliant, if I do say so myself.

 

[Reila]

There's also a chance that no newcomers could be shown.

But that is so unlikely. Sooooooooooooo unlikely.

 

[Shagadelic_Baby]

But that is so unlikely. Sooooooooooooo unlikely.

thats the point

 

[majora_787]

But that is so unlikely. Sooooooooooooo unlikely.

EDIT: Nevermind. I've been awake for 20 minutes. My sarcasm detector isn't on yet.

 

[Reila]

EDIT: Nevermind. I've been awake for 20 minutes. My sarcasm detector isn't on yet.

On other hand, I barely slept this night. So yeah...

 

[Kind Dedede]

Figured I'd pop back in here and give one last shout out for my hope of Ridleys inclusion. Really hoping he makes it this time, one can hope.

 

[Shinru202]

My reaction:

Spoiler

 

[majora_787]

Guys. Star Fox and F-Zero get a new game in a crossover racing game with Metroid. Imagine it.