Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Dalek_Kolt]

Has anyone every made the Robot Ridley with legs and wing units finished? That would be a cool alt.

Not sure if it counts, but there's that Ridley Robot in Nintendo Land.

 

[Pacack]

Not sure if it counts, but there's that Ridley Robot in Nintendo Land.

Nah, I don't think that counts.

 

[Xhampi]

Or they just leave the megaman's stage to show boss gameplay and don't include pyrosphere simply because they won't put all stages we know. Maybe we won't have, for example, the zelda stage one. We cannot tell anything for sure.

Pyrosphere could be unavailable on the demo, some characters that we know as playable since forever aren't going to be playable in the demo after all.

Howewer, Sakurai just can't have miss that the west have been debating over Ridley's fate in the last 2 months more than ever, if he intended to discomfirm Ridley at the direct like some people claim, he must have seen that he failed at it since he wasn't as clear as the other disconfirmations have been so far, even worse it make some people who didn't even care for Ridley before have hopes for a playable Ridley.

And we do know that Sakurai hate giving false hope to the fans, so if Ridley is a boss, it's now or never to finish us off as the release of smash 3DS is getting closer and closer, not talking about Ridley's fate at E3 and not including the Pyrosphere in the demo will only add more fuel to the Ridley debate and give Ridley's fans more hope for a playable status, which is to avoid if he's only a boss.

 

[Zwzchow]

No other character could provide such an amount of fan appeasement while also generating the shock a legitimate unexpected like Wii Fit Trainer can.

Greninja maybe? He was met with surprise and was unexpected before his release and the reaction was rather positive from what I know

 

[majora_787]

Pyrosphere could be unavailable on the demo, some characters that we know as playable since forever aren't going to be playable in the demo after all..

Characters and stages are generally different situations in demos. But shrug.

 

[Snagrio]

Pyrosphere could be unavailable on the demo, some characters that we know as playable since forever aren't going to be playable in the demo after all.

Howewer, Sakurai just can't have miss that the west have been debating over Ridley's fate in the last 2 months more than ever, if he intended to discomfirm Ridley at the direct like some people claim, he must have seen that he failed at it since he wasn't as clear as the other disconfirmations have been so far, even worse it make some people who didn't even care for Ridley before have hopes for a playable Ridley.

And we do know that Sakurai hate giving false hope to the fans, so if Ridley is a boss, it's now or never to finish us off as the release of smash 3DS is getting closer and closer, not talking about Ridley's fate at E3 and not including the Pyrosphere in the demo will only add more fuel to the Ridley debate and give Ridley's fans more hope for a playable status, which is to avoid if he's only a boss.

There's no way Sakurai actually tried to deconfirm Ridley and just failed to get the message across. The man knows exactly what he's doing, in fact I'm willing to bet he planned Ridley's long cryptic buildup from the moment he choose the dragon for a roster slot.

The systematic way Ridley has been coasting about in the back of our minds like, well, a shadow, is unmistakably all part of the plan. Sure Sakurai is the definition of unpredictable, but nonetheless there are patterns that we can take note of, with the most important one for this situation being that every deconfirmed character so far was completely out of nowhere with no hinting about them before the fact.

 

[Lolo Lolo]

Plot twist; the shadow isn't Ridley.
The shadow is the Rhedogian.

-Similar tail tip as Ridley (more importantly, as the bit we see in the Smash Direct)
-Can fly, just like Ridley
-Is encountered in the Pyrosphere (though Sector 3, not the Geothermal Power Plant; despite this, Smash isn't necessarily canon and the corridor in the big hole looks kind of like Sector 3 anyway...)
-Has to be fought four fricking times before it's dead. And then two more show up in the post-credits game. So it's an "enemy of Samus' past" and a "trauma"

Now I want this so much .... SO I CAN KICK HIS F****** A** !!!!!!!!!!!
he was so damn difficult ....... AND YOU HAVE TO BEAT HIM A LOT OF TIME !!!!
fortunately you can kill the last 2 ones with power bombs

btw I don't think it was his shadow ...

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Was Ridley that requested for Brawl ? Looking at the thread's side I wonder.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Was Ridley that requested for Brawl ? Looking at the thread's side I wonder.

Having been back during those crazy times, I can confirm that Ridley was pretty highly requested for Brawl, yes. I didn't think Ridley had a chance back then, but I figure he's got a solid shot this time.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Was Ridley that requested for Brawl ? Looking at the thread's side I wonder.

Gonna be honest, Ridley wasn't even in my mind as a playable character back in the Brawl days. So I felt no sense of betrayal or anything when Ridley was shown as a boss.

I'm basing my belief that Ridley is playable on how Sakurai is hiding his presence rather than just showing him when the time is right. If Sakurai can made a neutral-negative supporter a Space Pirate, something's up.

 

[Xhampi]

There's no way Sakurai actually tried to deconfirm Ridley and just failed to get the message across. The man knows exactly what he's doing, in fact I'm willing to bet he planned Ridley's long cryptic buildup from the moment he choose the dragon for a roster slot.

The systematic way Ridley has been coasting about in the back of our minds like, well, a shadow, is unmistakably all part of the plan. Sure Sakurai is the definition of unpredictable, but nonetheless there are patterns that we can take note of, with the most important one for this situation being that every deconfirmed character so far was completely out of nowhere with no hinting about them before the fact.

I never said that it was my opinion tough, even if I do admit that I thinked that it was the case for a few days after the direct.
I guess I just lacked a little faith in the guy who decided to put ZSS as the second Metroid rep and made Ridley a Dynablade rip-off in Brawl.

*insert a picture of Sakurai using the force to strangle me here*

 

[Lolo Lolo]

GUYS I'M DOING SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL ABOUT RIDLEY BUT I NEED YOUR HELP
I NEED SOME FUNNY AND EPIC RIDLEY'S GIFS
MAYBE SOME @AndreaAC 'S ONES TOO

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

GUYS I'M DOING SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL ABOUT RIDLEY BUT I NEED YOUR HELP
I NEED SOME FUNNY AND EPIC RIDLEY'S GIFS
MAYBE SOME @AndreaAC 'S ONES TOO

 

[Zuba Oki]

More randomness with Ridley and Roidley....
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Clones are technically related
Roidley needed Ridley's DNA is even exist

 

[majora_787]

Gonna be honest, Ridley wasn't even in my mind as a playable character back in the Brawl days. So I felt no sense of betrayal or anything when Ridley was shown as a boss.

I'm basing my belief that Ridley is playable on how Sakurai is hiding his presence rather than just showing him when the time is right. If Sakurai can made a neutral-negative supporter a Space Pirate, something's up.

I didn't consider it a betrayal myself. I mean some people thought Rdley was in the clouds and it was a sign for Ridley's playability or something, but I mean I just felt disappointed that they didn't make use of the potential that was there.

This time though, with the hype building and purposeful ambiguity and the refusal to close the "playable character" door, I would feel a little betrayed if Ridley weren't playable.

 

[False Sense]

There's no way Sakurai actually tried to deconfirm Ridley and just failed to get the message across. The man knows exactly what he's doing, in fact I'm willing to bet he planned Ridley's long cryptic buildup from the moment he choose the dragon for a roster slot.

The systematic way Ridley has been coasting about in the back of our minds like, well, a shadow, is unmistakably all part of the plan. Sure Sakurai is the definition of unpredictable, but nonetheless there are patterns that we can take note of, with the most important one for this situation being that every deconfirmed character so far was completely out of nowhere with no hinting about them before the fact.

I think today's reveal backs this argument even further; when Sakurai revealed the brand new Mario stage out of nowhere, he immediately mentioned that Kamek will completely transform the stage, even though we haven't seen Kamek himself (quite the casual de-confirmation, actually...). Ridley has still not been mentioned by name once, and we still don't know what really goes on in the Pyrosphere.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I think today's reveal backs this argument even further; when Sakurai revealed the brand new Mario stage out of nowhere, he immediately mentioned that Kamek will completely transform the stage, even though we haven't seen Kamek himself (quite the casual de-confirmation, actually...). Ridley has still not been mentioned by name once, and we still don't know what really goes on in the Pyrosphere.

The thing with Ridley and the Pyrosphere reveal, is that should Ridley be a boss, he is a boss in a new thing Sakurai is doing. If he said, "Ridley appears as a boss on Pyrosphere" right away, that would spill the beans on Yellow Devil and anybody else.

That's my take on it. But I feel like not mentioning Ridley by name doesn't mean much.

 

[UltimateWario]

The thing with Ridley and the Pyrosphere reveal, is that should Ridley be a boss, he is a boss in a new thing Sakurai is doing. If he said, "Ridley appears as a boss on Pyrosphere" right away, that would spill the beans on Yellow Devil and anybody else.

That's my take on it. But I feel like not mentioning Ridley by name doesn't mean much.

"Ridley will break in and attack the fighters from time to time, just like Yellow Devil!"

-a few months later-

"Oh and you can also hit them back."

Stage bosses are the dumbest, most overhyped crap ever. They're stage hazards that you can hit. WOAH WHAT INNOVATION and they're ripping one directly from another fighting game.

 

[False Sense]

The thing with Ridley and the Pyrosphere reveal, is that should Ridley be a boss, he is a boss in a new thing Sakurai is doing. If he said, "Ridley appears as a boss on Pyrosphere" right away, that would spill the beans on Yellow Devil and anybody else.

That's my take on it. But I feel like not mentioning Ridley by name doesn't mean much.

On the other hand, Yellow Devil was shown off right away, and what it did (aside from exploding) was pretty clear. Also, if the Dark Emperor is a boss, than that makes two boss characters shown off immediately with their respective stages.

That's just my take on it, though. You have a fair point.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

On the other hand, Yellow Devil was shown off right away, and what it did (aside from exploding) was pretty clear. Also, if the Dark Emperor is a boss, than that makes two boss characters shown off immediately with their respective stages.

That's just my take on it, though. You have a fair point.

Speaking of which, I think the Dark Emperor was revealed before the actual stage. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[majora_787]

"Ridley will break in and attack the fighters from time to time, just like Yellow Devil!"

-a few months later-

"Oh and you can also hit them back."

Stage bosses are the dumbest, most overhyped crap ever. They're stage hazards that you can hit. WOAH WHAT INNOVATION and they're ripping one directly from another fighting game.

Basically how I feel about that entire situation right there. :\ It might happen, sure, but that doesn't mean I'm even remotely happy with that.

 

[AustarusIV]

The thing with Ridley and the Pyrosphere reveal, is that should Ridley be a boss, he is a boss in a new thing Sakurai is doing. If he said, "Ridley appears as a boss on Pyrosphere" right away, that would spill the beans on Yellow Devil and anybody else.

That's my take on it. But I feel like not mentioning Ridley by name doesn't mean much.

He doesn't need to say Ridley is a boss. All he just needed to do was show Ridley on the stage attacking the players, saying "Beware! This stage may seem calm, but Ridley will come in and attack the fighters when you least expect it." We didn't even know if Yellow Devil was a boss before the Direct, before then we assumed that it was just a simple stage hazard.

Stage bosses are really just glorified stage hazards, no matter how you look at it. The gimmick is that you can fight back and win, and not only that you can turn them off! What's the point of hyping them if they're not even vital to this game's enjoyment?

 

[UltimateWario]

At least if Ridley would've been deconfirmed alongside Pyrosphere's reveal, we wouldn't have this imminent hype trainwreck.

I would've preferred he was deconfirmed early rather than get **** on like we got with the Direct.

 

[Morbi]

At least if Ridley would've been deconfirmed alongside Pyrosphere's reveal, we wouldn't have this imminent hype trainwreck.

I would've preferred he was deconfirmed early rather than get **** on like we got with the Direct.

I believe that is how everyone feels. I also believe that Sakurai understands this.

 

[Exegguter]

They're going to selectively remove SOME stage hazards from some stages but leave OTHER stage hazards intact?

That just sounds extremely unnecessary and bizarre and I seriously don't think that's about to happen.

There's a difference between stage hazards and bosses. Bosses weren't playable in the brawldemo. So if ridley isnt shown on pyrosphere it doesnt automatically mean he's playable. When you defeat a boss the stage is cleared; it's different with a hazard.

I don't get why people are even considering ridley to be a stage hazard? There's NO WAY he'd be a stage hazard. He's a boss at least. Yellow devil isnt a boss IMO. Because when you beat him the fight still continues. A boss is someone you beat and you move on; it's the prime subject of a level.

Saying ridley will be stage hazard is the same thing as saying master hand will be a stage hazard.

 

[UltimateWario]

I don't get why people are even considering ridley to be a stage hazard? There's NO WAY he'd be a stage hazard. He's a boss at least..

Bosses and Stage Hazards are the same thing in this game. You can just kill one of them while the other is invulnerable or something that happens to the stage itself.

Bosses ARE Stage Hazards.

 

[Snagrio]

I'm still wondering why it's Ridley that's getting this amount of trolling/hyping treatment. I guess Palutena does too, but she doesn't even compare to Ridley's case; heck the main reason her speculation got so big was because of that leak about her.

I mean I can see universally wanted characters like Mewtwo or K. Rool, but Ridley, famous though he is, is still mostly popular in the West. I don't know, maybe Sakurai just wanted to screw around with him for the heck of it.

 

[Morbi]

There's a difference between stage hazards and bosses. Bosses weren't playable in the brawldemo. So if ridley isnt shown on pyrosphere it doesnt automatically mean he's playable. When you defeat a boss the stage is cleared; it's different with a hazard.

I don't get why people are even considering ridley to be a stage hazard? There's NO WAY he'd be a stage hazard. He's a boss at least. Yellow devil isnt a boss IMO. Because when you beat him the fight still continues. A boss is someone you beat and you move on; it's the prime subject of a level.

Saying ridley will be stage hazard is the same thing as saying master hand will be a stage hazard.

Stage hazards and boss characters are synonymous in my humble opinion. There is a difference, but the difference is negligible. You are just arguing semantics (I am hypocritical).

 

[majora_787]

There's a difference between stage hazards and bosses. Bosses weren't playable in the brawldemo. So if ridley isnt shown on pyrosphere it doesnt automatically mean he's playable. When you defeat a boss the stage is cleared; it's different with a hazard.

I don't get why people are even considering ridley to be a stage hazard? There's NO WAY he'd be a stage hazard. He's a boss at least. Yellow devil isnt a boss IMO. Because when you beat him the fight still continues. A boss is someone you beat and you move on; it's the prime subject of a level.

Saying ridley will be stage hazard is the same thing as saying master hand will be a stage hazard.

You know why bosses weren't in the brawl demo? Because they appeared in the middle of the Subspace Emissary story mode, which wasn't available in the demo. Bosses are hazards you can destroy for perks. They appear on normal stages in versus matches. They're not the same as SSE bosses.

Yellow Devil is a boss and a hazard. There is a reason some people call them boss hazards.

MASTER HAND is a boss because he is the final boss of a game mode, and not some smartass who shows up in the middle of a versus match. You're sitting here comparing apples, oranges, and space dragons.

 

[Exegguter]

Bosses and Stage Hazards are the same thing in this game. You can just kill one of them while the other is invulnerable or something that happens to the stage itself.

Bosses ARE Stage Hazards.

So like Kamek is a boss? And the metal hand on halberd and bombs are bosses as well? And master hand is a stage hazard? (he'll deff. be in)

I really think that's weird. If it's true, that's ****ed up lol.


Btw yes ridley was THAT requested in brawl. He was the most requested after dedede (with diddy kong(confirmed), geno and ike(confirmed):
http://smashboards.com/threads/characters-on-sakurais-poll.71872/

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Edit: I really disagree with you guys man lol. I do believe ridley's chance of getting in smash is high and I really hope so. But I don't think that he will be a stage hazard and I don't think that if he's not shown on pyrosphere it automatically means he's in (although it will boost his chances)

 

[majora_787]

Kamek may not be a boss. Kamek may simply appear as a background character. Background characters and bosses are two different things.

- Bosses in 64 and Melee were nothing more than either altered versions of playable characters, OR Master Hand, who is the final boss of Classic mode. He's a boss, but not a stage hazard because he doesn't wander in during vs matches.

- Bosses in Brawl were all attached to single player story or classic modes and had nothing to do with vs mode.

- Bosses in SSB4 are obviously made to function differently. They operate by a slightly different standard, appearing on stages and attacking the players while they are able to be attacked and destroyed for some sort of benefit. The closest thing we had to this was Birdo in Melee. That is the ONLY character we have had in the series who is comparable to the SSB4 concept of bosses as it has been presented.

Kamek isn't a boss if Kamek doesn't attack the players and isn't able to be defeated for some benefit. Kamek is most likely a background character because all Kamek does is alter the stage and doesn't attack and cannot be attacked.

The cannon claw whatever on the Halberd isn't a boss because it sits in the background and attacks but can't be defeated in any way whatsoever for any benefit.

The distinction is weird but it's there and it's pretty clear.

EDIT: Basically you have to ask yourself some questions. And the answers can overlap.

1. Does the character appear in vs mode matches on a particular stage? If yes, they're a stage hazard. If no, they're not a stage hazard.
2. Does the character attack, and can it be attack and defeated for direct benefit? If yes to both, it's a boss. If no to either half, it's not a boss.

There's nothing here that makes it impossible for the two to overlap.

 

[Exegguter]

Kamek may not be a boss. Kamek may simply appear as a background character. Background characters and bosses are two different things.

- Bosses in 64 and Melee were nothing more than either altered versions of playable characters, OR Master Hand, who is the final boss of Classic mode. He's a boss, but not a stage hazard because he doesn't wander in during vs matches.

- Bosses in Brawl were all attached to single player story or classic modes and had nothing to do with vs mode.

- Bosses in SSB4 are obviously made to function differently. They operate by a slightly different standard, appearing on stages and attacking the players while they are able to be attacked and destroyed for some sort of benefit. The closest thing we had to this was Birdo in Melee. That is the ONLY character we have had in the series who is comparable to the SSB4 concept of bosses as it has been presented.

Kamek isn't a boss if Kamek doesn't attack the players and isn't able to be defeated for some benefit. Kamek is most likely a background character because all Kamek does is alter the stage and doesn't attack and cannot be attacked.

The cannon claw whatever on the Halberd isn't a boss because it sits in the background and attacks but can't be defeated in any way whatsoever for any benefit.

The distinction is weird but it's there and it's pretty clear.

Damn, that (boss)system is gross. I hope it's not true or you'll never see me playing normal stages lol.

When someone says 'stage hazard' I think about birdo in melee, the witches in gerudo valley, the fish on the summit etc.
When someone says boss, I think about master/crazy hand, petey, rayquaza, giga bowser, metal mario, fighting polygon team etc.

IF ridley's not playable I really hope he will at least be the last row..

 

[majora_787]

Damn, that (boss)system is gross. I hope it's not true or you'll never see me playing normal stages lol.

When someone says 'stage hazard' I think about birdo in melee, the witches in gerudo valley, the fish on the summit etc.
When someone says boss, I think about master/crazy hand, petey, rayquaza, giga bowser, metal mario, fighting polygon team etc.

IF ridley's not playable I really hope he will at least be the last row..

Birdo actually qualifies as a boss, and Twinrova MAY be a boss. The fish isn't.

Boss hazards are a lot stranger than single player bosses to be sure since we don't usually have them like this. But really if Ridley isn't playable, that's what we can expect. A Bowser-sized, slow-moving Ridley on a very large stage swooping into your vs matches and ripping off DoA Dimensions.

...You mean that's NOT what you wanted?

 

[Staarih]

I'm not a fan of this new "stage boss" thing either. I guess it could work as a one-time gimmick with the Yellow Devil, but to make it a "thing" (and to possibly connect Ridley to such thing!!) just seems weird. We'll see how it plays out.

 

[Exegguter]

Birdo actually qualifies as a boss, and Twinrova MAY be a boss. The fish isn't.

Boss hazards are a lot stranger than single player bosses to be sure since we don't usually have them like this. But really if Ridley isn't playable, that's what we can expect. A Bowser-sized, slow-moving Ridley on a very large stage swooping into your vs matches and ripping off DoA Dimensions.

...You mean that's NOT what you wanted?

Yeah its deff. NOT what I wanted. I got obsessed with this dragon since the direct and he's not even my favourite metroid character XD (Kanden is).

I don't know man I feel like it would be dead *** wrong if he will get disconfirmed and be a stage gimmick/boss/hazard/whatever. Like someone eating your secret food from the fridge...

 

[Deleted member]

Birdo actually qualifies as a boss, and Twinrova MAY be a boss. The fish isn't.

Boss hazards are a lot stranger than single player bosses to be sure since we don't usually have them like this. But really if Ridley isn't playable, that's what we can expect. A Bowser-sized, slow-moving Ridley on a very large stage swooping into your vs matches and ripping off DoA Dimensions.

...You mean that's NOT what you wanted?

Why I can like this one time only? It could be that Sakurai is hyping a boss as a "new concept", but a Bowser-sized slow moving boss on a medium sized stage, just, isn't possible at all, if it was the case, I would start to wonder how Sakurai makes his decisions

 

[majora_787]

See what I mean, I acknowledge the possibility that Ridley might be a boss hazard. But really if he is, from what we know now it's just shaping up to be either great for Ridley being a playable character, or a really big step down as a boss from his TWO boss encounters in Brawl.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I'm still wondering why it's Ridley that's getting this amount of trolling/hyping treatment. I guess Palutena does too, but she doesn't even compare to Ridley's case; heck the main reason her speculation got so big was because of that leak about her.

I mean I can see universally wanted characters like Mewtwo or K. Rool, but Ridley, famous though he is, is still mostly popular in the West. I don't know, maybe Sakurai just wanted to screw around with him for the heck of it.

Probably because Ridley is by far the most discussed character when it comes to Smash. K. Rool and Mewtwo are pretty much universally loved, and the people that don't like them don't make a big fuzz about it because there's not any big counter-arguments to them. Ridley on the other hand has the size "issue", and that's made for 8 years of heated discussions by this point (only really started with Brawl from my experience.)

So of course when Nate Bihldorff (or whoever else might do it this time around) comes back with a status report to Sakurai after digging in the Smash community he'll report about how insane we still are for Ridley, and that's where evil schemes begin popping up in Sakurai's head. It's just an extra bonus for his evil mind that Ridley was in the exact same situation last game, and Sakurai likely heard the exact same things back then.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

This boss mechanic could be a way to put smash boss again maybe ? Exclusive to Wiiu of course.

 

[Snagrio]

Probably because Ridley is by far the most discussed character when it comes to Smash. K. Rool and Mewtwo are pretty much universally loved, and the people that don't like them don't make a big fuzz about it because there's not any big counter-arguments to them. Ridley on the other hand has the size "issue", and that's made for 8 years of heated discussions by this point (only really started with Brawl from my experience.)

So of course when Nate Bihldorff (or whoever else might do it this time around) comes back with a status report to Sakurai after digging in the Smash community he'll report about how insane we still are for Ridley, and that's where evil schemes begin popping up in Sakurai's head. It's just an extra bonus for his evil mind that Ridley was in the exact same situation last game, and Sakurai likely heard the exact same things back then.

So to put it simply, Sakurai is aware of the Ridley controversy and, especially this time around, loves to throw fuel in the fire for it.

That definitely sounds like something he'd do...