Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Morbi]

I know this discusion about taking every descision of Sakuria's as the right one was pages back but I wanted to add something. Remember that no-one is inflailable. Sakamoto, creator of Metroid itself, let story go ahead of gameplay in Other M. Even Miamoto has made bad decisions. Sticker Star's extreme meh-ness in a otherwise excellent series was his fault.

Do you perhaps mean, infallible?

I agree with your sentiment though, Sakurai does get a free pass to many as he is the creative director of the game they enjoy. However, that does not alter objective fact. He has made some bad decision and he will continue to do so. I just hope that he makes more good decisions than bad decisions.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Do you perhaps mean, infallible?

I agree with your sentiment though, Sakurai does get a free pass to many as he is the creative director of the game they enjoy. However, that does not alter objective fact. He has made some bad decision and he will continue to do so. I just hope that he makes more good decisions than bad decisions.

How the hell could my spellcheck not pick up on that? It wanted to change it to "inflaitable".

 

[Wii Twerk Trainer]

Wy must sakurai give so many hints to Ridley. Can't wait to drink the tasty tears of the Ridley haters when she's confirmed at e3.

Seriously I'm always a good sport but man when. Ridley is confirmed I'll make sure the Ridleys haters here from me all the time! Lol

 

[SevenGameSet]

Wy must sakurai give so many hints to Ridley. Can't wait to drink the tasty tears of the Ridley haters when she's confirmed at e3.

Seriously I'm always a good sport but man when. Ridley is confirmed I'll make sure the Ridleys haters here from me all the time! Lol

Yeah That sounds like something most people will do...after watching the trailer for the tenth time that'll probably just be me but whatever.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

I know this discusion about taking every descision of Sakuria's as the right one was pages back but I wanted to add something. Remember that no-one is inflailable. Sakamoto, creator of Metroid itself, let story go ahead of gameplay in Other M. Even Miamoto has made bad decisions. Sticker Star's extreme meh-ness in a otherwise excellent series was his fault.

I gotta say though, some of the music was EXCELLENT in Sticker Star and Other M. Namely Decalberg and Snifit or Whiffit, and from Other M the Ridley theme, Rhedogian theme, and Approaching Sector Zero.

Regarding Ridley, I know that Sakurai is indeed aware of Ridley's popularity "in the West," but I'm not entirely sure that he knows just how violently strong the support is for Ridley "in the West." We have people saying Ridley is guaranteed and not stepping down, at all. If Ridley isn't playable, can you say backlash/rage quitting life? Like maybe at Mass Effect 3 levels. Lol maybe Sakurai would have to make him DLC.

 

[Wii Twerk Trainer]

I know that Sakurai is indeed aware of Ridley's popularity "in the West," but I'm not entirely sure that he knows just how violently strong the support is for Ridley "in the West." We have people saying Ridley is guaranteed and not stepping down, at all. If Ridley isn't playable, can you say backlash/rage quitting life?

If Ridley isn't playable.... This will be the first time I spam angry letters to someone. Like no kidding I've never done this in my life but having no Ridley would annoy me too much to focus on life x(

 

[Morbi]

I gotta say though, some of the music was EXCELLENT in Sticker Star and Other M. Namely Decalberg and Snifit or Whiffit, and from Other M the Ridley theme, Rhedogian theme, and Approaching Sector Zero.

Regarding Ridley, I know that Sakurai is indeed aware of Ridley's popularity "in the West," but I'm not entirely sure that he knows just how violently strong the support is for Ridley "in the West." We have people saying Ridley is guaranteed and not stepping down, at all. If Ridley isn't playable, can you say backlash/rage quitting life? Like maybe at Mass Effect 3 levels. Lol maybe Sakurai would have to make him DLC.

I don't think that there would be a lot of backlash as many took the allusion to Ridley as a direct deconfirmation. So most of the Smash fans that aren't necessarily speculators have already taken the hit. And there was no backlash of any sort really.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

I suppose you are right. I guess it's the people who analyze shadows and create movesets and use words that don't exist (deconfirm) and speculate for hours on end on Internet forums that would probably be most upset, and who not reflect Smash fans as a whole (these "people" are us, by the way...you, me, everyone else on Smashboards, Gamefaqs, etc.).

 

[Morbi]

I suppose you are right. I guess it's the people who analyze shadows and create movesets and use words that don't exist (deconfirm) and speculate for hours on end on Internet forums that would probably be most upset, and who not reflect Smash fans as a whole (these "people" are us, by the way...you, me, everyone else on Smashboards, Gamefaqs, etc.).

I am not sure if you are being sarcastic. I just use the word "deconfirm" as it is much easier to type out than "confirmed to not be playable." It is one of the only colloquialisms that I ever use.

 

[Jerry Applesauce]

Don't worry about it, it isn't a word, but I'm definitely not against using it in the context of posting on forums such as these. I guess it's appropriate given its widespread use and how it actually sounds like it could be a real word.

My exaggerated sarcasm can be hard to detect...I apologize for attempting to post like that on the Internet.

Down sarcasm hand.

 

[Zem-raj]

3 weeks tomorrow 'til e3 and the day we could know Ridley's fate.

All aboard the hype train.

 

[The King of Skulls]

Another day, another PoTD with no context of Ridley to speak of. Throw a bone, Sakurai, please.

Technically, deconfirm should be disconfirmed, but deconfirm should totally be a word. Dictionary people, make it a word. I mean, "selfie" and "twerk" are officially words in some dictionaries. Step your game up!

 

[majora_787]

Geeze. What's with all the angry snark that came out for seemingly no reason since I left. I know this is the Ridley thread and all, but still.

 

[Dark Phazon]

No, the Little Mac hind-sight bias doesn't really bother me. I have seen you vehemently supporting Mac, but nothing was objective at that point in time. The hind-sight bias circumstances that still bother me, to this day: Toon Link and Charizard. Toon Link because I was called delusional and incompetent despite providing a myriad of reasons for his inclusion, only to have everyone adamantly assert that he was obvious. Charizard, because everyone was okay with it, people actually think it is more ideal (contrary to what they thought when I introduced it using, again logic). The Rosalina one didn't bother me too much because I joined her supporting cast fairly late, I wasn't on board day 1 or anything like that. About a month before her reveal I was definitively supporting her.

Fine speech just plz be right about this last one plz then you can retire ow genie.

i cover your retirement fund

@Zem - too early for Hype train it should start in june.
june1st

 

[MrsAccount]

Wy must sakurai give so many hints to Ridley. Can't wait to drink the tasty tears of the Ridley haters when she's confirmed at e3.

Seriously I'm always a good sport but man when. Ridley is confirmed I'll make sure the Ridleys haters here from me all the time! Lol

You sound like a very unpleasant person.

There is not a single person who will be upset to tears when/if Ridley gets confirmed. There's not even "haters". For the most part, it's people going "eh" and moving on with their lives.

If Ridley isn't playable.... This will be the first time I spam angry letters to someone. Like no kidding I've never done this in my life but having no Ridley would annoy me too much to focus on life x(

Hatemail? Seriously? Sakurai is literally working through injury to give you a pleasant and balanced fighting game and you're going to go out of your way to make him feel bad about it, all because a cartoon dragon isn't making it in? If Ridley is all you care about in life, you may want to rethink your future.

 

[majora_787]

You sound like a very unpleasant person.

There is not a single person who will be upset to tears when/if Ridley gets confirmed. There's not even "haters". For the most part, it's people going "eh" and moving on with their lives.


Hatemail? Seriously? Sakurai is literally working through injury to give you a pleasant and balanced fighting game and you're going to go out of your way to make him feel bad about it, all because a cartoon dragon isn't making it in? If Ridley is all you care about in life, you may want to rethink your future.

1. If you think literally everyone on earth is neutral, that's factually wrong and I don't know what would actually lead you to think that.
2. I think you're seriously exaggerating. I also don't think you know what cartoons or video games are, because they're not interchangeable. Though really this isn't worth writing a letter over, and it's not like it would accomplish anything.
3. Neither is being unpleasant.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Wy must sakurai give so many hints to Ridley. Can't wait to drink the tasty tears of the Ridley haters when she's confirmed at e3.

Seriously I'm always a good sport but man when. Ridley is confirmed I'll make sure the Ridleys haters here from me all the time! Lol

Im right there with you, the evidence i found im 99% sure at this point

I figured out Rosalina's shadow, and Bowsers shadow, are almost as big as Ridleys shadowon the pyrosphere, because all of the other characters shadows on the pyrosphere are streched out just like Ridley's.

But reminding my self i could be wrong.

 

[Zem-raj]

Fine speech just plz be right about this last one plz then you can retire ow genie.

i cover your retirement fund

@Zem - too early for Hype train it should start in june.
june1st

okay :< *curls up in the corner and rocks back and forth until June 1st*

 

[The King of Skulls]

Im right there with you, the evidence i found im 99% sure at this point

I figured out Rosalina's shadow, and Bowsers shadow, are almost as big as Ridleys shadowon the pyrosphere, because all of the other characters shadows on the pyrosphere are streched out just like Ridley's.

But reminding my self i could be wrong.

99% is awfully high. I wish I could be nearly that confident. I just can't put that much faith in shadows.

 

[OblivionWolf]

Does anyone know if that's how Ridley even flies in Metroid games? At least in his Other M fight, the wings were much less active, with two quick flaps to keep himself up in the air. It didn't have the flutter we see in the shadow.

It's probably nothing at all, but it's another bit to throw on the pile.

Yeah here is the Other M fight.

http://youtu.be/wJW1KcaD80k?t=30m3s


And here is the gif. Reminds me more of classic Ridley flapping then Other M. His wings are at all times folded and never fully extends them out. Its a sign that Sakurai is trying to save space so Ridley's large wings don't clip alot and this will also give him a more retro feel (Which Sakurai does with every classic character). Thats just another thing that points to playable for me.....

(Can't find gifs of Super Metroid/Metroid Fusion but there pretty much the same)

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

99% is awfully high. I wish I could be nearly that confident. I just can't put that much faith in shadows.

Its more like I'm confident that ridley is playable

 

[Louie G.]

You know I just thought of something. What if shadows don't move at the same frames-per-second as the models do?

Somebody test this please.

 

[OblivionWolf]

Somebody test this please.

They seem to move fine if you ask me. Here is a good clip of them on Pilotwings.

http://youtu.be/QREyxpuYeGU?t=18s

 

[ChronoBound]

My biggest issue with Prime 2 is simply the whole "dark world" thing it did.t of.)

The dark world concept was actually suggested by Kensuke Tanabe, the story writer for A Link To The Past. Personally, I thought it was an interesting concept. It was definitely a pretty forboding place, and definitely fulfilled the objective of being a place where you didn't want to be, even as you gradually became powered up.

As for the rest of Prime 2's environments, Retro's direction with Aether was to create a more believable world (as opposed to standard video game environments like ice/fire/vegetation), albeit one that is dying and is going through a large scale conflict (or has gone through one).

I brought up the analogy of Prime 2 being Metroid's Majora's Mask before, but I did not elaborate on it. Its similar in the sense that they are the follow-up to the the most critically acclaimed game in the series (Ocarina of Time/Metroid Prime), and both released about two years after their predecessor.

In regards to the respective mythos of each of their series, both are oddballs. In Majora's Mask, the Triforce, Zelda, Ganon/Ganondorf, and the Master Sword are not part of the plot (Zelda does make a cameo via a flashback though), and the game takes place in an entirely new world, and basically has no impact on the history of Hyrule.

Prime 2 has the Space Pirates and Metroids taking a back seat in the game, with the Ing being the primary antagonist. It is also only one of three games in the series not to have Ridley in it. The ammo system and the alternate worlds concept also make the game stand out relative to the rest of the series, in addition to, the presence of a multiplayer mode (the only other game to feature this was Hunters).

When Majora's Mask was initially released, the game was bashed a lot for being "too different" compared to Ocarina of Time, and the difficulty of the game as wellwas used as a detraction point. Similar points were met with Prime 2's release.

With time though, Majora's Mask is now seen as among the strongest installments in the series. Prime 2, being a part of the far less popular Metroid series, has taken much longer for others to see the strengths of it relative to the rest of the Metroid series. At the very least though, more avid Metroid fans do see it now as the stronger (or better) sequel between Prime 2 and Prime 3. In terms of atmosphere, its definitely up there with Prime 1 and Super Metroid.

It is basically the 3D analog to Zero Mission. It is basically for the avid Metroid fan, at the detriment of other game players. This is why I see many people prefer Prime 3 and Fusion over Prime 2 and Zero Mission, despite the latter ones being better as actual Metroid games.

 

[The King of Skulls]

Its more like I'm confident that ridley is playable

Well, yeah, but a major detriment is that Ridley was teased to be a Stage Boss. While the work you did is certainly enough for me to keep The Dream alive, I think 99% is a wee much. The most I'd ever go is 73.256%. Little under 3/4, but enough so it's mostly positive, but enough to that dis-confirmation isn't as glaringly shocking.

Yeah here is the Other M fight.

http://youtu.be/wJW1KcaD80k?t=30m3s


And here is the gif. Reminds me more of classic Ridley flapping then Other M. His wings are at all times folded and never fully extends them out. Its a sign that Sakurai is trying to save space so Ridley's large wings don't clip alot and this will also give him a more retro feel (Which Sakurai does with every classic character). Thats just another thing that points to playable for me.....

(Can't find gifs of Super Metroid/Metroid Fusion but there pretty much the same)

It's amusing how tiny Ridley's wings are in some of the older games(and how Ridley-culously massive his claws are.) I hope the SSB4 Ridley, even if it turns out to be just a boss, incorporates all the elements that made Ridley great. Or at least, takes Other Ridley, give him Super Ridley's head, and make his color scheme less atrocious to look at, and it's all good.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Well, yeah, but a major detriment is that Ridley was teased to be a Stage Boss. While the work you did is certainly enough for me to keep The Dream alive, I think 99% is a wee much. The most I'd ever go is 73.256%. Little under 3/4, but enough so it's mostly positive, but enough to that dis-confirmation isn't as glaringly shocking.



It's amusing how tiny Ridley's wings are in some of the older games(and how Ridley-culously massive his claws are.) I hope the SSB4 Ridley, even if it turns out to be just a boss, incorporates all the elements that made Ridley great. Or at least, takes Other Ridley, give him Super Ridley's head, and make his color scheme less atrocious to look at, and it's all good.

The Other M design has been floating around for a good amount of time, I would be shocked if Sakurai DIDN'T take it upon himself to improve it to please the fans.

 

[ChronoBound]

I'm sorry, but I think we're either going to get Other M!Ridley playable, or no playable Ridley at all. Despite his intense popularity, Ridley is still just one of many Nintendo villains, and considering that Metroid is more or less represented by Other M in this game it makes sense for him to be based on his latest appearance.

I'll eat crow if we do end up getting a playable incarnation of Ridley that isn't Other M's.

Yep. The sad thing is that many people in this topic will continue to think "Sakurai is trolling them" even if we get a formal unveil for Stage Hazardley at E3.

The real problem will come when/if Sakurai is asked about why he turned Ridley into a stage hazard, and Sakurai's response is "I know about his popularity, but I thought he couldn't work as a fighter". At that point, the only way for Ridley to even have a fanbase for Smash 5 would be to prove that a competent playable Ridley could work, of which Project M is the main ticket.

 

[majora_787]

Honestly, the Punch-out stage was initially teased/presented as a Smash Bros. stage and people were 99% confident it was a punch-out stage anyway. Given the evidence I'm willing to be 99% sure myself.

 

[D-idara]

You sound like a very unpleasant person.

There is not a single person who will be upset to tears when/if Ridley gets confirmed. There's not even "haters". For the most part, it's people going "eh" and moving on with their lives.


Hatemail? Seriously? Sakurai is literally working through injury to give you a pleasant and balanced fighting game and you're going to go out of your way to make him feel bad about it, all because a cartoon dragon isn't making it in? If Ridley is all you care about in life, you may want to rethink your future.

There's no such thing as a 'pleasant' game without Ridley.

Yep. The sad thing is that many people in this topic will continue to think "Sakurai is trolling them" even if we get a formal unveil for Stage Hazardley at E3.

The real problem will come when/if Sakurai is asked about why he turned Ridley into a stage hazard, and Sakurai's response is "I know about his popularity, but I thought he couldn't work as a fighter". At that point, the only way for Ridley to even have a fanbase for Smash 5 would be to prove that a competent playable Ridley could work, of which Project M is the main ticket.

If Sakurai says that, he shouldn't be allowed to develop games anymore, just play them, but don't get his dirty hands on them, we need a developer that loves Ridley and understands why he should be a playable character.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Yea other m ridley is a lock for the playable one

But your giving up hope for alternate costumes for ridley already?

 

[MrsAccount]

1. If you think literally everyone on earth is neutral, that's factually wrong and I don't know what would actually lead you to think that.

I never stated this.

I do tend to notice many Ridley supporters seem to think there's this huge "2bigot" anti-Ridley movement, that other people care as much about "hating" the character as this thread does obsessively loving it. It's untrue, and frankly, kinda creepy.

2. I think you're seriously exaggerating. Though really this isn't worth writing a letter over, and it's not like it would accomplish anything.
3. Neither is being unpleasant.

Wait, am I the one exaggerating? How? For pointing out how writing hate-mail without thinking about it is a complete d*ck thing to do?

I also don't think you know what cartoons or video games are, because they're not interchangeable.

It's a cartoon dragon in the sense of being dumb entertainment.

 

[DraginHikari]

There's no such thing as a 'pleasant' game without Ridley.

If Sakurai says that, he shouldn't be allowed to develop games anymore, just play them, but don't get his dirty hands on them, we need a developer that loves Ridley and understands why he should be a playable character.

I must heavily disagree. Your basing the entire merit of someone's work based on one character inclusion, saying that you don't agree with the opinion is okay and fine, there are alot of things Sakurai says and does which is silly and I don't agree with either. It's another thing to declare that someone in the industry should never develop a game again because you disgree with their opinion, your basically saying someone should be fired from their job for that reason, which is silly at best.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

I'm definitely in the "He won't be playable" camp, just to officially pick a side.

It's way more fun to put people down who were absolutely so positive their favorite/beloved character would get in when he doesn't, rather than the the people who didn't think he'd make it should he end up being playable.

Jokes aside, I'm open to the idea of him being in, but like I said before...I just don't think it's going to happen, to the dismay of many I'm sure, but I just don't see it.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I'm definitely in the "He won't be playable" camp, just to officially pick a side.

So am I.

 

[D-idara]

I never stated this.

I do tend to notice many Ridley supporters seem to think there's this huge "2bigot" anti-Ridley movement, that other people care as much about "hating" the character as this thread does obsessively loving it. It's untrue, and frankly, kinda creepy.


Wait, am I the one exaggerating? How? For pointing out how writing hate-mail without thinking about it is a complete d*ck thing to do?


It's a cartoon dragon in the sense of being dumb entertainment.

Videogames are dumb entertainment? This feels a little insulting...

It's way more fun to put people down who were absolutely so positive their favorite/beloved character would get in when he doesn't, rather than the the people who didn't think he'd make it should he end up being playable.

Cruel, despicable and terrible. I've said it before and I'll say it again, celebrating someone else's misery IS DISGUSTING.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I don't GET people who derive pleasure from seeing others disappointed that their favorite character didn't get in.

So some people you dislike are sad that their favorite character didn't get in. Bravo, a potential character with lots of potential didn't get in, and you will never get to experiment with a potential new fighter. But on the flipside, you can rub salt in the wounds of some people who just wanted to play as these guys!

Now if you excuse me, I need to go on over to the Waluigi, Samurai Goroh, and Wonder Red thread to assert my superiority by telling them how stupid they must feel for DARING to want to play as those characters.

 

[D-idara]

I must heavily disagree. Your basing the entire merit of someone's work based on one character inclusion, saying that you don't agree with the opinion is okay and fine, there are alot of things Sakurai says and does which is silly and I don't agree with either. It's another thing to declare that someone in the industry should never develop a game again because you disgree with their opinion, your basically saying someone should be fired from their job for that reason, which is silly at best.

Someone who doesn't do their job correctly gets fired. Dissapointing millions of fans with deconfirmations like Wonder Red and possibly Ridley counts as being terrible at your job because you're slapping your customers in the face.

 

[majora_787]

I'm assuming they weren't serious about literally being here JUST to antagonize people for supporting a character in their support thread and using basic critical thinking. Simmer down guys.

 

[MrsAccount]

Videogames are dumb entertainment? This feels a little insulting...

Especially in this case, it totally is. Don't act as if Smash Bros is a dead serious artistic insight into the psyche of a hurt author. It's a fan-service fighting game and nothing more.

Cruel, despicable and terrible. I've said it before and I'll say it again, celebrating someone else's misery IS DISGUSTING.

Now if you excuse me, I need to go on over to the Waluigi, Samurai Goroh, and Wonder Red thread to assert my superiority by telling them how stupid they must feel for DARING to want to play as those characters.

He was joking.

Someone who doesn't do their job correctly gets fired. Dissapointing millions of fans with deconfirmations like Wonder Red and possibly Ridley counts as being terrible at your job because you're slapping your customers in the face.

You don't understand job conditions, do you?

 

[IsmaR]

I'm definitely in the "He won't be playable" camp, just to officially pick a side.

It's way more fun to put people down who were absolutely so positive their favorite/beloved character would get in when he doesn't, rather than the the people who didn't think he'd make it should he end up being playable.

Jokes aside, I'm open to the idea of him being in, but like I said before...I just don't think it's going to happen, to the dismay of many I'm sure, but I just don't see it.

I appreciate your honesty.