Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[OblivionWolf]

What I don't get is why some people are using the "he's not finished yet, so that's why he wasn't fully shown" excuse for Ridley not being properly shown in the direct. I mean it could be possible for him to not be complete if Ridley's playable (heck the Direct used some stock images from Brawl as place holders for character icons), but if he's meant to be a stage boss and the main attraction for the Pyrosphere as the Direct has implied, 9 months later after the first Pyrosphere PotD and he's still not done? You mean Sakurai and his team didn't put all the effort to finish him before making and showing a Final Destination version of Pyrosphere? I would've thought that the original stages would have higher priority than FD versions to get completed first ._.

Yeah people gotta realize we got a complete finished looking picture of Pyrosphere in a pic of the day 9 months ago. Its not like Sakurai made the stage and said "Hmmm lets add Ridley to it!"....If Ridley is a stage hazard he was being planned/worked on sense the beginning. There is just no freakin way he isn't done.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Yeah people gotta realize we got a complete finished looking picture of Pyrosphere in a pic of the day 9 months ago. Its not like Sakurai made the stage and said "Hmmm lets add Ridley to it!"....If Ridley is a stage hazard he was being planned/worked on sense the beginning. There is just no freakin way he isn't done.

Im with you on that, its not like sakurai will be like that about Ridley.

I mean the only way hes not complete is the animations, i think the body is ready just not the animations and moveset.

And sakurai did say at the direct "Please keep in mind that the game is still under development so gameplay footage you see could be changed overtime."

In other words incomplete is the only legit thing thet got, but how can a hazard take almost the whole development time to make 1 hazard.

(Am i saying correctly of what you mean?)

 

[majora_787]

Like I said, a big chunk of the "evidence" against Ridley being playable seems to rely on a surreal level of incompetence. (i.e., Sakurai, his team, and Namco being unable to finish a single stage hazard in over 6 months)

Like, somehow it is more likely that they can't make a stage hazard at least PRESENTABLE in half the time it took them to make SSB64 or Melee? Really?

 

[egaddmario]

It's because Sakurai's tease game too strong. He's better than most women in the singles market...

 

[samsparta21]

Thats one of the things I don't get. We got this for Yellow Devil and it was clear he was gonna be a stage hazard. Why not give us a shadow of him too? Why no teasing???

http://youtu.be/rUyoUfy5hGs?t=3m26s

Yellow Devil was teased in the first trailer like you just showed.

 

[egaddmario]

Yellow Devil was teased in the first trailer like you just showed.

But we saw Yellow Devil. We haven't seen Ridley.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Yellow Devil was teased in the first trailer like you just showed.

Yellow devil tease the full body was shown which equals a direct deconfirm because of his size.

Ridley tease shadow shown can't determine his size, (but Bowser and rosalina's shadow's streched out just like Ridley shadow equals almost as big as Ridley.) which equals inconclusive if boss hazard or not

 

[AustarusIV]

The pic of the day does not bode well for Ridley at all. My guess is that he's going to burst through the hole in the wall.

Those holes have been there since the beginning. It's highly likely that they're just there for decoration. They're even in the FD version of the stage, which would make no sense to include if Ridley comes in like that.

Ridley would probably just come flying up from the lava like he did in Other M to establish his presence.

 

[egaddmario]

Those holes have been there since the beginning. It's highly likely that they're just there for decoration. They're even in the FD version of the stage, which would make no sense to include if Ridley comes in like that.

Ridley would probably just come flying up from the lava like he did in Other M to establish his presence.

Woah, didn't notice the holes were there in the FD version too.

 

[Robertman2]

Does anyone have a GIF of Ridley's shadow from the Direct?

 

[AustarusIV]

...This pic of the day is turning into the spectacle over King Dedede's smash effect again, isn't it?

 

[OblivionWolf]

Does anyone have a GIF of Ridley's shadow from the Direct?

http://gfycat.com/SentimentalBronzeIndianrhinoceros#?speed=0.0625

 

[Robertman2]

http://gfycat.com/SentimentalBronzeIndianrhinoceros#?speed=0.0625

Thanks.

 

[OblivionWolf]

Im with you on that, its not like sakurai will be like that about Ridley.

I mean the only way hes not complete is the animations, i think the body is ready just not the animations and moveset.

And sakurai did say at the direct "Please keep in mind that the game is still under development so gameplay footage you see could be changed overtime."

In other words incomplete is the only legit thing thet got, but how can a hazard take almost the whole development time to make 1 hazard.

(Am i saying correctly of what you mean?)

Im not just saying the character model. If he is just a simple boss like Yellow Devil with like 4 moves or so. I think EVERYTHING would be done including the animations and attacks.

Only way he wouldn't be finished is if they started working on him then randomly stopped working on him for months on end lol.

I think you and I both think the animations look choppy cuz he is playable and not a hazard at all.

 

[DraginHikari]

Like I said, a big chunk of the "evidence" against Ridley being playable seems to rely on a surreal level of incompetence. (i.e., Sakurai, his team, and Namco being unable to finish a single stage hazard in over 6 months)

Like, somehow it is more likely that they can't make a stage hazard at least PRESENTABLE in half the time it took them to make SSB64 or Melee? Really?

There is penetly of evidence going against Ridley besides the 'unfinished' model theory. It's just most of the other evidence is not a fun or enjoyable thought to think about for most of those here.

 

[samsparta21]

Yellow devil tease the full body was shown which equals a direct deconfirm because of his size.

Ridley tease shadow shown can't determine his size, (but Bowser and rosalina's shadow's streched out just like Ridley shadow equals almost as big as Ridley.) which equals inconclusive if boss hazard or not

He's still pretty big, and also he is flying which basically confirms him as a hazard since a regular playable character wouldn't be flying, at least for that long and how steady he is.

Another thing going against Ridley is that a character like him would be a newcomer. Sakurai doesn't show newcomers until they're revealed, but we've seen him already as a shadow, and Sakurai wouldn't show him at all if he was a character, until a reveal trailer.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

He's still pretty big, and also he is flying which basically confirms him as a hazard since a regular playable character wouldn't be flying, at least for that long and how steady he is.

Another thing going against Ridley is that a character like him would be a newcomer. Sakurai doesn't show newcomers until they're revealed, but we've seen him already as a shadow, and Sakurai wouldn't show him at all if he was a character, until a reveal trailer.

For the big part my caculations is just a few hairs taller than bowser like 5 hairs for rosalina 3 hairs.

Plus your not juding his size because of the wings are you? Plus thats camera is really zoomed in.

And for the second part, you mean to hype a character like the kermlings on smash run (king k rool). Or meta knights ship. Or to trick us into thinking that trophy is plautena and yet the pesudo version.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Im not just saying the character model. If he is just a simple boss like Yellow Devil with like 4 moves or so. I think EVERYTHING would be done including the animations and attacks.

Only way he wouldn't be finished is if they started working on him then randomly stopped working on him for months on end lol.

I think you and I both think the animations look choppy cuz he is playable and not a hazard at all.

OK that make sense too

By the way if i can get a tutorial on how to make a gif i can get a Charizard x wing flapping animation, and a brawl ridley wings
flapping, then compare to the shadow.

 

[OblivionWolf]

He's still pretty big, and also he is flying which basically confirms him as a hazard since a regular playable character wouldn't be flying, at least for that long and how steady he is.

Another thing going against Ridley is that a character like him would be a newcomer. Sakurai doesn't show newcomers until they're revealed, but we've seen him already as a shadow, and Sakurai wouldn't show him at all if he was a character, until a reveal trailer.

You literally just lied. He isn't big and that is proven and he didn't show Ridley. Fine Ridley's shadow deconfirmed playable!

"New game? With new characters with unique abilities???? Preposterous!!!!!!!!!" - You

 

[samsparta21]

For the big part my caculations is just a few hairs taller than bowser like 5 hairs for rosalina 3 hairs.

Plus your not juding his size because of the wings are you? Plus thats camera is really zoomed in.

And for the second part, you mean to hype a character like the kermlings on smash run (king k rool). Or meta knights ship. Or to trick us into thinking that trophy is plautena and yet the pesudo version.

You literally just lied. He isn't big and that is proven and he didn't show Ridley. Fine Ridley's shadow deconfirmed playable!

"New game? With new characters with unique abilities???? Preposterous!!!!!!!!!" - You

I'll just go over the arguments I've seen for Ridley's inclusion.
1. Sakurai is being ambiguous as opposed to revealing it directly
While I agree it's strange, it would be unprofessional of Sakurai to tease him for one purpose and reveal him for another. Since there are people who, since the Direct, like the idea of Ridley being a hazard on Pyrosphere, those people would be disappointed if he was not, and I doubt Sakurai wants that.

2. Ridley is much smaller
Can you picture a character of Brawldley's size being a stage hazard? He'd swallow up half the stage, and push everyone around. He looks like he is slightly bigger than Dark Lord on Find Mii stage now, who is also a stage hazard. Also both fly around.

The only chance I see of him being playable, as I've said before, is that the original SM Ridley would be playable, which is unlikely but possible. The Other M Ridley would remain a stage hazard. This is the outcome I hope for, but again it's up to Sakurai, since he did say before that it would be "impossible" to add him. (Don't start on the Villager, I know)

 

[Zem-raj]

Without a shadow of a doubt, E3 should be make or break for our great commander, Ridley.

(hue hue hue)

 

[Shinru202]

The (visible) Differences between the Normal and FD versions of the Pyrosphere are:

1. The Lava
Lava has been a common stage hazard in the Smash Bros Metroid Stages...
Being turned off in the FD Pyrosphere could hint that Lava could function as a potential hazard.

2. Purple Tubes
Those Purple Tubes under the Stage Platform look different between both versions of the Pyrosphere....
I got a feeling that those things are not just decorations....

Spoiler

I got a feeling that the Pyrosphere Stage has more than meets the eye...

 

[AustarusIV]

Sakurai's been tiptoeing around Ridley's presence for so long, I wouldn't even be surprised he remained completely ambiguous on the situation at E3.

 

[Lolo Lolo]

I noticed another strange thing in that shadow ...
Ridley grabs Pikachu with his feet ... like he did in Super Metroid ... but in Metroid Other M he did NOT do that at all ...
If he's only a boss so why give him a fan-favourite move which did NOT appear in the last games (especially it did NOT appear in the game where the model comes from) ?
And I think that if Ridley's going to be Little Mac's opposite he's going to have an air grab (after all DK can kidnap people and Snake can make them fall asleep)

 

[OblivionWolf]

I'll just go over the arguments I've seen for Ridley's inclusion.
1. Sakurai is being ambiguous as opposed to revealing it directly
While I agree it's strange, it would be unprofessional of Sakurai to tease him for one purpose and reveal him for another. Since there are people who, since the Direct, like the idea of Ridley being a hazard on Pyrosphere, those people would be disappointed if he was not, and I doubt Sakurai wants that.

2. Ridley is much smaller
Can you picture a character of Brawldley's size being a stage hazard? He'd swallow up half the stage, and push everyone around. He looks like he is slightly bigger than Dark Lord on Find Mii stage now, who is also a stage hazard.

The only chance I see of him being playable, as I've said before, is that the original SM Ridley would be playable, which is unlikely but possible.

Its also unprofessional to lie to us and say Zero Suit Samus is deconfirmed and don't give me the "Wellll he told us right away he was kidding!" garbage.

.....Also c'mon nobody wants Ridley to be a stage hazard. Nobody is excited for that.

 

[samsparta21]

Its also unprofessional to lie to us and say Zero Suit Samus is deconfirmed and don't give me the "Wellll he told us right away he was kidding!" garbage.

.....Also c'mon nobody wants Ridley to be a stage hazard. Nobody is excited for that.

He let us think Zamus was disconfirmed for literally one second. Ridley has been going on for two months, longer if you count the first daily pic where he hinted Ridley. Two months is unprofessional, one second is just a joke. Besides, for that one second he let us believe that Zamus had NO purpose in the game, which is not teasing, while for this two months he is having us believe that Ridley is a stage hazard, which IS a purpose, so that is why it isn't unprofessional to troll Zamus. And you can't speak for everyone and say no one wants Ridley as a stage boss.

 

[AustarusIV]

What would the reactions be if we got footage of yet another Ridley shadow, but this time it has moves that alternate between seemingly boss-like patterns, and attacks that look like they have human input in them? With no context at all.

 

[Luigi#1]

He let us think Zamus was disconfirmed for literally one second. Ridley has been going on for two months, longer if you count the first daily pic where he hinted Ridley. Two months is unprofessional, one second is just a joke. Besides, for that one second he let us believe that Zamus had NO purpose in the game, which is not teasing, while for this two months he is having us believe that Ridley is a stage hazard, which IS a purpose, so that is why it isn't unprofessional to troll Zamus. And you can't speak for everyone and say no one wants Ridley as a stage boss.

That's...a pretty fair point.

 

[OblivionWolf]

He let us think Zamus was disconfirmed for literally one second. Ridley has been going on for two months, longer if you count the first daily pic where he hinted Ridley. Two months is unprofessional, one second is just a joke. And you can't speak for everyone and say no one wants Ridley as a stage boss.

...Oh then I must apologize to the whole 2 people jumping for joy over a stage hazard. **** the thousands upon thousands of Smash fans who wanted that character playable.

 

[Xhampi]

I noticed another strange thing in that shadow ...
Ridley grabs Pikachu with his feet ... like he did in Super Metroid ... but in Metroid Other M he did NOT do that at all ...
If he's only a boss so why give him a fan-favourite move which did NOT appear in the last games (especially it did NOT appear in the game where the model comes from) ?
And I think that if Ridley's going to be Little Mac's opposite he's going to have an air grab (after all DK can kidnap people and Snake can make them fall asleep)

I won't be surprised if Boss Roidley get some of Ridley's moves, remember that Ridley in Brawl was mostly a Dynablade rip off and Meta Ridley used regular fireballs instead of his kinetic beam or meson bombs.

But yeah if Ridley/Roidley is playable I do hope that he get several moves from his previous appearances and not just Other M/Super Metroid attacks =)

 

[samsparta21]

...Oh then I must apologize to the whole 2 people jumping for joy over a stage hazard. **** the thousands upon thousands of Smash fans who wanted that character playable.

Sakurai's already said it's "probably impossible". I know he's changed his opinion sometimes, but you can't just say everything he has said about Brawl holds with a grain of salt now. He wanted to include Ridley as best he could. That's why he appears as a boss twice in Brawl.

 

[OblivionWolf]

Sakurai's already said it's "probably impossible". I know he's changed his opinion sometimes, but you can't just say everything he has said about Brawl holds with a grain of salt now. He wanted to include Ridley as best he could. That's why he appears as a boss twice in Brawl.

Nintendo Power: "There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration?"

Sakurai: "I think that would probably be pretty impossible. [Laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be all right? [Laughs]"

He said its impossible then right after that said it was possible.....We didn't learn anything from this lol.

 

[samsparta21]

Nintendo Power: "There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration?"

Sakurai: "I think that would probably be pretty impossible. [Laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that be all right? [Laughs]"

He said its impossible then right after that said it was possible.....We didn't learn anything from this lol.

Might have been phrased a bit better in Japanese.

 

[egaddmario]

Sakurai's already said it's "probably impossible". I know he's changed his opinion sometimes, but you can't just say everything he has said about Brawl holds with a grain of salt now. He wanted to include Ridley as best he could. That's why he appears as a boss twice in Brawl.

He also said things are a lot different than when Brawl was out. I know i'm taking that quote out of context, as he said it during the online portion of the direct, but i don't see why it wouldn't apply here. A lot has changed- his view on the villager is one. Who says Ridley can't be the same?

 

[samsparta21]

He also said things are a lot different than when Brawl was out. I know i'm taking that quote out of context, as he said it during the online portion of the direct, but i don't see why it wouldn't apply here. A lot has changed- his view on the villager is one. Who says Ridley can't be the same?

If his viewpoint on Ridley has changed, I still doubt he won't be a stage hazard. SM Ridley being playable fixes the problem, but it's only a hope.

 

[Luigi#1]

Might have been phrased a bit better in Japanese.

Don't even I know your joking but don't even.
AAAND you just took that out of your comment.

 

[samsparta21]

Don't even I know your joking but don't even

I can't even
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ruJBKFrRCk

Yeahh I figured I probably shouldn't say that even as a joke lol

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Sakurai's already said it's "probably impossible". I know he's changed his opinion sometimes, but you can't just say everything he has said about Brawl holds with a grain of salt now. He wanted to include Ridley as best he could. That's why he appears as a boss twice in Brawl.

Wrong again

Sakurai can have a change of heart.

For 1 he thought villager was impossible as well and yet hes playable in the 4th one.

And no sepcial benefits for namco then why the **** did he let the S flag and the galaga aliens in?

 

[samsparta21]

Wrong again

Sakurai can have a change of heart.

For 1 he thought villager was impossible as well and yet hes playable in the 4th one.

And no sepcial benefits for namco then why the **** did he let the S flag and the galaga aliens in?

Isn't that what I just said. "I know he's changed his opinion sometimes"

My point is you can't just take everything Sakurai said with a grain of salt.

 

[Robertman2]

Seriously, I bet Sakurai could make a moveset for just about anyone.