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Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

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I see it like this for finding the shadows size


And how most sizes are its a square 70% of the time

1 push the angle to a straight angle

2 push down a little because still streched out from that view

3 his aproximate size if you 3d square it up
 

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I dunno. Gamfacks sed Guko and Mustard Chef iz wey murr likely to be in smosh bras then roodley. hez 3 big.

I had to and I'm not even sorry.
You say that, and then you read on Gaf how Toadette is more iconic and deserving a spot than Ridley, not to mention a better moveset and Ridley is still too big tho.

No place is sacred.
 

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So this is what I think Sakurai was thinking during the development of each Smash game:

Melee: "Okay, so we REALLY need to show off how totally awesome the Gamecube's graphics are while not alienating our old fans. Oh! I know! We'll have a montage of the characters doing awesome things from their old games, but updated with these awesome graphics! Yeah! We'll have some Ice Climbing action from Ice Climber, Samus fighting that dragon boss from Metroid, an Ocarina of Time montage, Fox dogfighting that evil gray Fox, Ness dropping a PK Teleport, Pokemon group shot, Captain Falcon racing the Samurai..."

Brawl: "We need bosses for Subspace Emissary, so let's go back to see if we can pluck some giant, iconic characters from the abyss. Rayquaza's good, Petey's good, it not like anyone wants to play as them. Porky would make a good fighter, though that mech might be too big. Let's give him two forms to compensate. Ridley's appeared in a ton of Metroid games, but he's sorta like Petey or Gohma; he's a reoccurring boss, not really a major, consistent threat like Bowser or Ganondorf that constantly reminds the players of who he is. Then again, Metroid Prime gave him a ton of presence, so I guess players would be happy to see him as regular and Meta to represent the whole franchise. Unlike Wolf, he's sorta large, so players may not expect to play as such a character."

Wii U/3DS: "Other M wasn't that well received, but they gave that Space Dragon an even huger role than Metroid Prime! And thanks to Twitter and Miiverse, not only can I listen to fan requests of who they want more easily, but I can more easily screw with them! I'll foreshadow his playable status, just like what I did with Little Mac's Boxing Ring and Rosalina's Mario Galaxy stage and Greninja's Lumiose City!"
 

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Yeh, thinking back on it Metroid was a lot smaller in the 64 and Melee days than it is now. :p It was what. Metroid, Metroid II, and Super Metroid? Then we got like five new games and a remake by the time Brawl happened.
 
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Yea that would be right, but though the Prime games came out way before Brawl they still continued to use Super Metroids aspects

Pretty all asepcts of Samus' apperances in 64 and Melee were based on Super Metroid. If I recall reading right, Brawls version of Smash was still based on Super Metroid with some minor references to the prime series.

Heck even Ridley appearance in Brawl was based more on the Super Metroid version with Meta Ridley as a reference to the Prime games.
 
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Yeh, thinking back on it Metroid was a lot smaller in the 64 and Melee days than it is now. :p It was what. Metroid, Metroid II, and Super Metroid? Then we got like five new games and a remake by the time Brawl happened.
As I've said, Ridley was no more important than say, Vile from Mega Man X. Probably even less so, because at least Vile killed your best friend in-game.

If you knew nothing about a video game series, would you honest-to-god make a lackey to a bigger threat a representative of a series to oppose the protagonist? I'm shocked that Mother Brain hasn't had any sort of representation until now, not even a trophy.
 

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Yea that would be right, but though the Prime games came out way before Brawl they still continued to use Super Metroids aspects

Pretty all asepcts of Samus' apperances in 64 and Melee were based on Super Metroid. If I recall reading right, Brawls version of Smash was still based on Super Metroid with some minor references to the prime series.

Heck even Ridley appearance in Brawl was based more on the Super Metroid version with Meta Ridley as a reference to the Prime games.
That'd be true I think. Then in Brawl, Norfair was Super Metroid I think. The prime series meanwhile got Frigate Orpheon, Meta Ridley, and Samus having a Dark Suit palette swap. There was also a fusion suit palette swap, but. :\ Shrug.

EDIT: Yeah, Metroid just didn't get a whole lot. Which is weird. o_O

Though now we've got assists out the wazoo, possible playable Ridley, and we're liable to get some kind of Hunters stage.
 
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Are people still going on about 'Super Metroid Ridley' and how he has a "chance"?
 

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Are people still going on about 'Super Metroid Ridley' and how he has a "chance"?
It's just simply at this point only a full confirmation is going to stop the speculation. Even with what was said in the direct, because they did not completely show Ridley, the speculation will continue to accrue, even though I am still doubting the 'trolling' theory presented. That's simply how it is around here.
 

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I didn't expect this from the guy that considers Anthony and Impa likely
Anthony Higgs IS the most likely Metroid newcomer now. No contest.

Impa WAS extremely likely once Zelda showed her Phantom Slash on the main site. She's still the most likely Zelda newcomer though.

Guess Yellow Devil also could still get in...
 

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Anthony Higgs IS the most likely Metroid newcomer now. No contest.

Impa WAS extremely likely once Zelda showed her Phantom Slash on the main site. She's still the most likely Zelda newcomer though.

Guess Yellow Devil also could still get in...
:skull:Not funny that anothony higgs is more likely:troll:
 

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Is it possible to like. Open a wormhole through the internet and aggressively vomit into someone's eyes? Because I kind of feel like that's the appropriate response to a living breathing human being calling Anthony Higgs a better choice than ANY metroid character, let alone Ridley. Exaggerating? Maybe SLIGHTLY, but...

Also, Impa was never likely. The phantom in no way made Impa likely at any point.
 
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I don't see Anthony Higgs happening really. Honesty I don't know who else I'd suggest if Ridley is not in. It could very well be just Samus and ZSS again.
 

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Anthony Higgs IS the most likely Metroid newcomer now. No contest.

Impa WAS extremely likely once Zelda showed her Phantom Slash on the main site. She's still the most likely Zelda newcomer though.

Guess Yellow Devil also could still get in...
Seeing as Impa lost her ninja-ness in ALBW, her chances have sorta dropped in favor of the likes of Vaati, Classic Ganon, and (shudders) Tingle.

As awesome as Anthony is, if Sakurai is so blind to fan demand as to demote Ridley to Stage Hazard, then Adam Malkovich has a better chance than Anthony of making it in.
 

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I don't see Anthony Higgs happening really. Honesty I don't know who else I'd suggest if Ridley is not in. It could very well be just Samus and ZSS again.
All this Other M content and PyroSphere really leads me to believe it's Mysterious Black Man or nobody honestly.
 

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Well the most recurring characters after Mother Brain, Dark Samus, and Ridley are what. Kraid? Phantoon? Sylux might be in if a new Metroid game by Retro is in development soon. But that's low in the barrel to be digging. Even if all three of them have a way better chance than Anthony Higgs.

EDIT: Maybe a Ridley turd can be playable. Also more likely than Anthony, in all seriousness.
 
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Well the most recurring characters after Mother Brain, Dark Samus, and Ridley are what. Kraid? Phantoon? Sylux might be in if a new Metroid game by Retro is in development soon. But that's low in the barrel to be digging. Even if all three of them have a way better chance than Anthony Higgs.
Well, I've heard nothing of a new Metroid any time soon, so I'm hoping for either a Kraid or Nightmare boss stage in the inevitable 3DS Metroid stage.
 

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Ridley is all we need, and then I'd feel Metroid is "complete" when thinking about playable character representation in Smash, at least for the time being (and probably way on to the future). It isn't really that much to ask for, so make it happen Sakurai haha! Imagine if (or when?) it finally happens, all the debate, speculation and discussion, which can get extremely tiring at times, will come to an happy end. Here's hoping!
 

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All this Other M content and PyroSphere really leads me to believe it's Mysterious Black Man or nobody honestly.
Ridley: Main villain of the series, second most recurring character and has a heavy influence on the lore, not to mention a character with great movepool potential.
Higgs: Minor character, only recognized for his memetic phrases, only appeared in a single game, not many moveset options, him being arguably the only likable character in Other M might be his saving grace.

Anthony is CLEARLY the better option of the two. :rolleyes:
 
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Calling it right now: Diddy is going to quote all of these Anthony hate comments and reply them with an image of Higgs saying "YOU GOT NO STYLE!". :troll:
 
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I can't even fathom why people like Anthony. Is it the "Remembuh Me" meme? Because I played Other M and STILL barely remember him.
 

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Retro will likely complete a DKC: Returns triology before making another Metroid. Why kill their DKC-vibe? Mother Brain and Dark Samus are already ATs. Adam Malkovich is dead in the series, and likely won't be featured in another game, whilst Anthony easily could. He's thusfar the only potential reoccuring supporter character. And supporting cast is really missing in Metroid. Also: a supportive 'second banana' character always gets in Smash before the villain.

See: Luigi :luigi64: Jigglypuff :jigglypuff64: Falco :falcomelee: Diddy :diddy:

Think the whole deal about Ridley is just a full blown-up internet hype thing that has gone wayyy out of hand. I mean, with the technologic advance between Smash 64 and Melee, yes sure one COULD HAVE slight hopes for Ridley after seeing him in the Melee trailer. But the fact that Melee couldn't even balance 'weirdly shapen characters' as, Bowser and Mewtwo would really give you hope for him in Brawl? Too many people thought so. Even too many people where ignorantly screaming that Ridley should be put in before anyone, this is before even the obvious needed characters as :warioc: :diddy: :dedede: :metaknight: and :pit: where added. Even :ike: :olimar: and :pt: supporters had way more to say in this matter than the overly-load Ridley fanbase.

The fact that :zerosuitsamus: got in should've satisfied the true Metroid fans. Seeing as Samus is literally the only 'character' Metroid has. Yes, tell me more about that manga and stuff... Doesn't matter much. Ridley serves it's role as boss, a beast that wants Samus's blood. Sure, there's a backstory, but what really do we see of that in the games? This is not similar at all to say, the situation Mewtwo is / was in. Mewtwo had tons of more content to draw personality from.

So really, unless Ridley starts to actually influence any sort of plot in Metroid, or better yet: starts to talk like he's supposed to be able to I wouldn't expect him in Smash. The fact Sakurai even references him so much should already have some of you being grateful. Two time boss status in Brawl is already a great sign of respect. And I feel so is him being a 'stage hazard' in PyroSphere. Why? A whole stage being 'given' to Ridley, and having to fight him (he's probably gonna be one of the hardest bosses in the game) isn't bad. Plus, Metroid got a few new ATs for more representation.

Sorry, had to get this off my chest. Don't get me wrong, supporting Ridley is fine, but watch the arrogance of the tone you guys are setting. It's getting far more blown up than it ever should've been. Doubt that anyone outside of the internet is so seriously hyped about Ridley, not without having been told about Ridley. And I guess that's where the main source of problems lie for playable Ridley.

Ridley shouldn't have been in Melee. If anything, characters like :dedede::diddy: and :warioc: would.
Ridley shouldn't have been in Brawl either. All newcomers outside of :snake::sonic::ivysaur: and :rob: deserved it more.
And even in this game, I feel Ridley just isn't on par with the likes of :4megaman::4littlemac::4villager::4greninja::rosalina:and :4wiifit: (even if I myself don't quite like all these characters either)

Again, I mean no big disrespect, but again: I feel Ridley has been overhyped ever since the beginning 'support' of him started to emerge.

Ask yourself this, overly-proud supporters of the purple space dragon:

If it wasn't for this trailer:


Would you have supported Ridley in?

Honest answers please!
 

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I can't even fathom why people like Anthony. Is it the "Remembuh Me" meme? Because I played Other M and STILL barely remember him.
Besides Adam, can you tell me the names and personalities of the GF Troopers that you're supposed to be protecting and befriending?

Even the Deleter subplot gets no proper resolution, and even if they showed who he was, would you have honestly cared if he was anyone besides Adam and Anthony?

Plus, he's a better comrade-in-arms than Adam was, saving Samus from Ridley and the GF without shooting her in the back or restricting her in any way.
 

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Speaking of alternative Metroid newcomers..... I'd take Rundas or Noxus, preferably the former.

Anthony is nothing more than a meme honestly, the charm and importance of the character extends to the one scene when you meet him, I mean he doesnt have anything that makes him special besides that big gun of his I guess. Honestly, if he of all people makes it in this game, over any other possible Metroid character (except maybe Adam) Im going to be extremely dissapointed in Sakurai.
 

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Speaking of alternative Metroid newcomers..... I'd take Rundas or Noxus, preferably the former.

Anthony is nothing more than a meme honestly, the charm and importance of the character extends to the one scene when you meet him, I mean he doesnt have anything that makes him special besides that big gun of his I guess. Honestly, if he of all people makes it in this game, over any other possible Metroid character (except maybe Adam) Im going to be extremely dissapointed in Sakurai.
:falcon: is basically 'meme: the character'. Why would his comical character be something that would be a disadvantage for Anthony?
 

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Retro will likely complete a DKC: Returns triology before making another Metroid. Why kill their DKC-vibe? Mother Brain and Dark Samus are already ATs. Adam Malkovich is dead in the series, and likely won't be featured in another game, whilst Anthony easily could. He's thusfar the only potential reoccuring supporter character. And supporting cast is really missing in Metroid. Also: a supportive 'second banana' character always gets in Smash before the villain.

See: Luigi :luigi64: Jigglypuff :jigglypuff64: Falco :falcomelee: Diddy :diddy:

Think the whole deal about Ridley is just a full blown-up internet hype thing that has gone wayyy out of hand. I mean, with the technologic advance between Smash 64 and Melee, yes sure one COULD HAVE slight hopes for Ridley after seeing him in the Melee trailer. But the fact that Melee couldn't even balance 'weirdly shapen characters' as, Bowser and Mewtwo would really give you hope for him in Brawl? Too many people thought so. Even too many people where ignorantly screaming that Ridley should be put in before anyone, this is before even the obvious needed characters as :warioc: :diddy: :dedede: :metaknight: and :pit: where added. Even :ike: :olimar: and :pt: supporters had way more to say in this matter than the overly-load Ridley fanbase.

The fact that :zerosuitsamus: got in should've satisfied the true Metroid fans. Seeing as Samus is literally the only 'character' Metroid has. Yes, tell me more about that manga and stuff... Doesn't matter much. Ridley serves it's role as boss, a beast that wants Samus's blood. Sure, there's a backstory, but what really do we see of that in the games? This is not similar at all to say, the situation Mewtwo is / was in. Mewtwo had tons of more content to draw personality from.

So really, unless Ridley starts to actually influence any sort of plot in Metroid, or better yet: starts to talk like he's supposed to be able to I wouldn't expect him in Smash. The fact Sakurai even references him so much should already have some of you being grateful. Two time boss status in Brawl is already a great sign of respect. And I feel so is him being a 'stage hazard' in PyroSphere. Why? A whole stage being 'given' to Ridley, and having to fight him (he's probably gonna be one of the hardest bosses in the game) isn't bad. Plus, Metroid got a few new ATs for more representation.

Sorry, had to get this off my chest. Don't get me wrong, supporting Ridley is fine, but watch the arrogance of the tone you guys are setting. It's getting far more blown up than it ever should've been. Doubt that anyone outside of the internet is so seriously hyped about Ridley, not without having been told about Ridley. And I guess that's where the main source of problems lie for playable Ridley.

Ridley shouldn't have been in Melee. If anything, characters like :dedede::diddy: and :warioc: would.
Ridley shouldn't have been in Brawl either. All newcomers outside of :snake::sonic::ivysaur: and :rob: deserved it more.
And even in this game, I feel Ridley just isn't on par with the likes of :4megaman::4littlemac::4villager::4greninja::rosalina:and :4wiifit: (even if I myself don't quite like all these characters either)

Again, I mean no big disrespect, but again: I feel Ridley has been overhyped ever since the beginning 'support' of him started to emerge.

Ask yourself this, overly-proud supporters of the purple space dragon:

If it wasn't for this trailer:


Would you have supported Ridley in?

Honest answers please!
euh… I won't answer to all of your concern but only your point about the trailer (would be too long to type all when other people would more than willing to do so).

Nope really, I even wonder if I knew that ridley was there (at the time I played melee, I knew nothing about metroid). So, why I support him? 2 things, his importance and his uniqueness potential. Also, it shouldn't matter that who have been told or not I never heard of game and watch before does that mean I wouldn't like it? Really, there's some characters that needs to be presented to players when ready for them to enjoy. Unfortunately, that's the case of ridley here but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be there because of that.

My two cent take this as you will.
 
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Retro will likely complete a DKC: Returns triology before making another Metroid. Why kill their DKC-vibe? Mother Brain and Dark Samus are already ATs. Adam Malkovich is dead in the series, and likely won't be featured in another game, whilst Anthony easily could. He's thusfar the only potential reoccuring supporter character. And supporting cast is really missing in Metroid. Also: a supportive 'second banana' character always gets in Smash before the villain.

See: Luigi :luigi64: Jigglypuff :jigglypuff64: Falco :falcomelee: Diddy :diddy:

Think the whole deal about Ridley is just a full blown-up internet hype thing that has gone wayyy out of hand. I mean, with the technologic advance between Smash 64 and Melee, yes sure one COULD HAVE slight hopes for Ridley after seeing him in the Melee trailer. But the fact that Melee couldn't even balance 'weirdly shapen characters' as, Bowser and Mewtwo would really give you hope for him in Brawl? Too many people thought so. Even too many people where ignorantly screaming that Ridley should be put in before anyone, this is before even the obvious needed characters as :warioc: :diddy: :dedede: :metaknight: and :pit: where added. Even :ike: :olimar: and :pt: supporters had way more to say in this matter than the overly-load Ridley fanbase.

The fact that :zerosuitsamus: got in should've satisfied the true Metroid fans. Seeing as Samus is literally the only 'character' Metroid has. Yes, tell me more about that manga and stuff... Doesn't matter much. Ridley serves it's role as boss, a beast that wants Samus's blood. Sure, there's a backstory, but what really do we see of that in the games? This is not similar at all to say, the situation Mewtwo is / was in. Mewtwo had tons of more content to draw personality from.

So really, unless Ridley starts to actually influence any sort of plot in Metroid, or better yet: starts to talk like he's supposed to be able to I wouldn't expect him in Smash. The fact Sakurai even references him so much should already have some of you being grateful. Two time boss status in Brawl is already a great sign of respect. And I feel so is him being a 'stage hazard' in PyroSphere. Why? A whole stage being 'given' to Ridley, and having to fight him (he's probably gonna be one of the hardest bosses in the game) isn't bad. Plus, Metroid got a few new ATs for more representation.

Sorry, had to get this off my chest. Don't get me wrong, supporting Ridley is fine, but watch the arrogance of the tone you guys are setting. It's getting far more blown up than it ever should've been. Doubt that anyone outside of the internet is so seriously hyped about Ridley, not without having been told about Ridley. And I guess that's where the main source of problems lie for playable Ridley.

Ridley shouldn't have been in Melee. If anything, characters like :dedede::diddy: and :warioc: would.
Ridley shouldn't have been in Brawl either. All newcomers outside of :snake::sonic::ivysaur: and :rob: deserved it more.
And even in this game, I feel Ridley just isn't on par with the likes of :4megaman::4littlemac::4villager::4greninja::rosalina:and :4wiifit: (even if I myself don't quite like all these characters either)

Again, I mean no big disrespect, but again: I feel Ridley has been overhyped ever since the beginning 'support' of him started to emerge.

Ask yourself this, overly-proud supporters of the purple space dragon:

If it wasn't for this trailer:


Would you have supported Ridley in?

Honest answers please!
Metroid. Prime.

Meta Ridley is not only inadvertently responsible for the entire Metroid Prime Trilogy, but he has a constant presence throughout the game. Samus chases him to Tallon IV, his shadow crosses the Phendrana Drifts, and they have their big showdown in the Artifact Temple.

He appears again in Metroid Prime 3 twice, the first time as a homage to the Gandalf/Balrog fight, the second time as a Leviathan Guardian.

But let's suppose Sakurai decides Prime is a mere sub-series, that reduces Ridley's importance, right?

...Except that hunting Ridley down in Other M is one of the major Subplots in the game! And as stupid as Samus's PTSD was, they acknowledged that Ridley means more to Samus than "That one reoccurring boss fight".
 
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I'll take a generic Space Pirate over Anthony Higgs. There atleast somewhat memorable.

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:falcon: is basically 'meme: the character'. Why would his comical character be something that would be a disadvantage for Anthony?
Well, thats because:

A) He became a meme THANKS to being in Smash bros, as opposed to being picked for Smash because he was a meme

B) Thats literally all Anthony has going for him. That one joke. Why would you even.
 
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