Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[OblivionWolf]

Zebesian, or Prime?

Zebesian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV5wmDhzgY8

 

[Deleted member]

I'd prefer Tingle or even freakin' Toad over Anthony.
I can understand Ridley not being in Melee, at the time, he wasn't more important than Mother Brain, however, his role has expanded ever since, only missing 3 games in the entire series, he is the most recurring and important than any other Metroid char after Samus, Smash is about representation, Anthony would represent the worst game in the entire series, while Ridley would represent 90% of Metroid and would be another Villain to the Roster, a pure villain, not someone like Wario or DDD that are rivals more than anything, besides, just like Ganondorf, it would be his first playable appearence, of the things everyone wants to do in Smash, is play with unplayable chars in the games they come from

 

[ultimatekoopa]

Anthony Higgs IS the most likely Metroid newcomer now. No contest.

Impa WAS extremely likely once Zelda showed her Phantom Slash on the main site. She's still the most likely Zelda newcomer though.

Guess Yellow Devil also could still get in...

HAHAHA, Anthony? Really? Kraid and Adam are way more likely than him and no, Ridley is yet to be shown, if you didn't spend your time coming to this thread to tell us to stop being desilusional when you are being one, then I can't nothing but laugh
Yes, Impa as extremely likely for a few seconds before he revealed Sheik and destroyed all Impa chances of being in, people were thinking it was toon zelda before the direct
The last thing I need is a desilusional person calling me desilusional, you can't even explain why is ridley getting special treatment compared to other disconfirmed characters, Anthony and Impa should already be happy if they manage to be get a trophy
All the other m content implies Anthony? And you call us desilusional? Does this mean that ghirahim is a lock in now? This didn't help any of the hunters in brawl despite we got prime content in the game
And lol, Ridley is not on par with Greninja? Rosalina? If according to you the main antagonists of the series isn't on par with them, then what makes you think a joke character is on par with them?

 

[BKupa666]

"Ridley is a full-blown Internet hype meme blown way out of hand."

"Let's add in Anthony Higgs instead. Remember him????? "

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Eh, they could make MB playable for all I care just as long as Ridley's in.

Pretty much the only character that I'm completely opposed to making it in is Adam. Anthony at least has camaraderie with Samus.

 

[AndreaAC]

xD As much as I love the Primes pirates....I think if we get one in the game (as an assist i think) they are going to be Zebesians.....

 

[DraginHikari]

Retro will likely complete a DKC: Returns triology before making another Metroid. Why kill their DKC-vibe? Mother Brain and Dark Samus are already ATs. Adam Malkovich is dead in the series, and likely won't be featured in another game, whilst Anthony easily could. He's thusfar the only potential reoccuring supporter character. And supporting cast is really missing in Metroid. Also: a supportive 'second banana' character always gets in Smash before the villain.

See: Luigi Jigglypuff Falco Diddy

Think the whole deal about Ridley is just a full blown-up internet hype thing that has gone wayyy out of hand. I mean, with the technologic advance between Smash 64 and Melee, yes sure one COULD HAVE slight hopes for Ridley after seeing him in the Melee trailer. But the fact that Melee couldn't even balance 'weirdly shapen characters' as, Bowser and Mewtwo would really give you hope for him in Brawl? Too many people thought so. Even too many people where ignorantly screaming that Ridley should be put in before anyone, this is before even the obvious needed characters as and where added. Even and supporters had way more to say in this matter than the overly-load Ridley fanbase.

The fact that got in should've satisfied the true Metroid fans. Seeing as Samus is literally the only 'character' Metroid has. Yes, tell me more about that manga and stuff... Doesn't matter much. Ridley serves it's role as boss, a beast that wants Samus's blood. Sure, there's a backstory, but what really do we see of that in the games? This is not similar at all to say, the situation Mewtwo is / was in. Mewtwo had tons of more content to draw personality from.

So really, unless Ridley starts to actually influence any sort of plot in Metroid, or better yet: starts to talk like he's supposed to be able to I wouldn't expect him in Smash. The fact Sakurai even references him so much should already have some of you being grateful. Two time boss status in Brawl is already a great sign of respect. And I feel so is him being a 'stage hazard' in PyroSphere. Why? A whole stage being 'given' to Ridley, and having to fight him (he's probably gonna be one of the hardest bosses in the game) isn't bad. Plus, Metroid got a few new ATs for more representation.

Sorry, had to get this off my chest. Don't get me wrong, supporting Ridley is fine, but watch the arrogance of the tone you guys are setting. It's getting far more blown up than it ever should've been. Doubt that anyone outside of the internet is so seriously hyped about Ridley, not without having been told about Ridley. And I guess that's where the main source of problems lie for playable Ridley.

Ridley shouldn't have been in Melee. If anything, characters like and would.
Ridley shouldn't have been in Brawl either. All newcomers outside of and deserved it more.
And even in this game, I feel Ridley just isn't on par with the likes of and (even if I myself don't quite like all these characters either)

Again, I mean no big disrespect, but again: I feel Ridley has been overhyped ever since the beginning 'support' of him started to emerge.

Ask yourself this, overly-proud supporters of the purple space dragon:

If it wasn't for this trailer:

Would you have supported Ridley in?

Honest answers please!

I think's it's far more of a complicated question in regards to why Ridley comes up so often in these converstations or why the debate is so intenstive compare to nearly all other character debates. Yes, the Melee trailer did start this particularly trend when the CGI trailer was misread as a confirmation of characters all around when that turned out not to be the case.

There a few other factors. Metroid regardless of being well known is a franchise of Nintendo is not the same type of sales performer as Mario series, Zelda, and the other big hitters. Though regardless of this the elements of Metroid are pretty well known to even those not familiar with the franchise, making Samus a recongized game symbol regardless of that level of performance.

Metroid not being one of those big hitters out there does have a core fanbase is quite devoted to the series and it's elements to a very impressive level. Which admittively I'm not directly apart of as the last Metroid game I completely fully was Super Metroid which is where Ridley stuck out as an entirely different character from the other bosses in the game. Which Is how I understand the character.

However, I believe the real cause of much of the Ridley debates comes less down to a character choice and more a hostile confirmations to those that think he should be playable to those that don't. With most other characters, I can say, 'I don't like Waluigi' or 'I don't like Pac-Man' on a invidiual basis without huge debates springing up around them . Even saying 'I think this character should be playable' doesn't created that kind of hostility. I am not even entirely sure what lite the fire underneth the issue but those that support Ridley and those that don't are far more prone to hostilities and animoisty then any other potential character brought up. These long and difficult debates I believe is why even after what we saw it will continue even after the situation with the direct. As there is a heck of alot of pride and feeling rolled up in this issue and whoever wins is probably going to end up gloating about it. I think that's the issue both sides are actually having with this continual debate over this one character.

The funny thing is most of the Ridley detractors have not given me any incidate that the hate or dislike the Metroid games as a whole or even Ridley himself. Most of it seems to be the fans conflicted on how Ridley should or should not be portrayed.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I got a 1 million dollar photo here

I found something

that's the most important picture right

I highlighted something in the next one

look at the one without the hightlight and

 

[OblivionWolf]

I got a 1 million dollar photo here

I found something

that's the most important picture right

I highlighted something in the next one

look at the one without the hightlight and

That the tail shadow is super tiny compared to the giant tailbone? Yes we all know that the tailbone is super zoomed in on making it seem huge when it really isn't.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I got a 1 million dollar photo here

I found something

that's the most important picture right

I highlighted something in the next one

look at the one without the hightlight and

That is one dinky boss.

Sakurai could have at least gone all out on his size.
/sarcasm

Pretty much the only thing that keeps the Boss confirmation afloat is that damn "Other boss character appearances" subtitle.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Retro will likely complete a DKC: Returns triology before making another Metroid. Why kill their DKC-vibe? Mother Brain and Dark Samus are already ATs. Adam Malkovich is dead in the series, and likely won't be featured in another game, whilst Anthony easily could. He's thusfar the only potential reoccuring supporter character. And supporting cast is really missing in Metroid. Also: a supportive 'second banana' character always gets in Smash before the villain.

See: Luigi Jigglypuff Falco Diddy

Think the whole deal about Ridley is just a full blown-up internet hype thing that has gone wayyy out of hand. I mean, with the technologic advance between Smash 64 and Melee, yes sure one COULD HAVE slight hopes for Ridley after seeing him in the Melee trailer. But the fact that Melee couldn't even balance 'weirdly shapen characters' as, Bowser and Mewtwo would really give you hope for him in Brawl? Too many people thought so. Even too many people where ignorantly screaming that Ridley should be put in before anyone, this is before even the obvious needed characters as and where added. Even and supporters had way more to say in this matter than the overly-load Ridley fanbase.

The fact that got in should've satisfied the true Metroid fans. Seeing as Samus is literally the only 'character' Metroid has. Yes, tell me more about that manga and stuff... Doesn't matter much. Ridley serves it's role as boss, a beast that wants Samus's blood. Sure, there's a backstory, but what really do we see of that in the games? This is not similar at all to say, the situation Mewtwo is / was in. Mewtwo had tons of more content to draw personality from.

So really, unless Ridley starts to actually influence any sort of plot in Metroid, or better yet: starts to talk like he's supposed to be able to I wouldn't expect him in Smash. The fact Sakurai even references him so much should already have some of you being grateful. Two time boss status in Brawl is already a great sign of respect. And I feel so is him being a 'stage hazard' in PyroSphere. Why? A whole stage being 'given' to Ridley, and having to fight him (he's probably gonna be one of the hardest bosses in the game) isn't bad. Plus, Metroid got a few new ATs for more representation.

Sorry, had to get this off my chest. Don't get me wrong, supporting Ridley is fine, but watch the arrogance of the tone you guys are setting. It's getting far more blown up than it ever should've been. Doubt that anyone outside of the internet is so seriously hyped about Ridley, not without having been told about Ridley. And I guess that's where the main source of problems lie for playable Ridley.

Ridley shouldn't have been in Melee. If anything, characters like and would.
Ridley shouldn't have been in Brawl either. All newcomers outside of and deserved it more.
And even in this game, I feel Ridley just isn't on par with the likes of and (even if I myself don't quite like all these characters either)

Again, I mean no big disrespect, but again: I feel Ridley has been overhyped ever since the beginning 'support' of him started to emerge.

Ask yourself this, overly-proud supporters of the purple space dragon:

If it wasn't for this trailer:

Would you have supported Ridley in?

Honest answers please!

How would something that can be seen either when you complete game well enough or when something is f***ed up and you have to mostly hide and run THAT IS ALSO AVAILABLE FROM THE START satisfy true Metroid fans? ZSS appears = you have completed game fast enough/RUN! And Ridley doesn`t talks because he may get super missile into his mouth and he is f***ing busy dealing with Samus. He tried it once - it was succesful attempt. He tried it once again - got so heavily injured that he couldn`t fight anymore and barely survived, most likely out of pure hatred. And ROB, Snake and WFT deserving more than him sounds like b-s. ROB was forgotten thing that nearly no one would even imagine joining Brawl roster as an enemy and playable character. Snake was 3rd party character and he isn`t even suitable for such game for few reasons you may not know. WFT was unexpected too and no one even thought she will appear somehow in SSB. And Ridley`s Brawl boss battles felt nothing like Ridley boss battles in Metroid games - he didn`t even used fireballs during Ridley battle and didn`t used kinetic breath weapon during Meta Ridley battle. Former example is worst out of what they did wrong with him. And we do see something more personal than any of those enemies, but you may not understand it unless you know what is what - he stole Baby Metroid, which eventually led to his death, he attempted to kill her and only her even if there was someone tastier around during Other M, he attacks her before his 1st boss battle in Corruption instead of joining his comrades in something he really enjoys (mindlessly killing inferiour creatures like humans and just destruction, maybe he likes it even more than Kefka...yet another reference not all of you may understand...), etc. And i supported him since i first saw him and thought it was a bada$$ pterosaur that fights that bada$$ guy in bulky armor called Samus Aran. And i then started to read about him in wiki and realized that he was even more bada$$ and that Samus is a girl. So, i would support him even if he would not appear in SSB and Melee in any way. I started to think he deserved more than for example Jigglypuff after i acknowledged that he isn`t a playable character.

is basically 'meme: the character'. Why would his comical character be something that would be a disadvantage for Anthony?

Captain Falcon became memetic only after SSB. Anthony shoudn`t get in before Rundas who is pretty big and had more personality in my opinion and was more important that Anthony even through he appeared for less than 30 minutes. He saved Samus TWICE, first time from those space pirates` things then from falling to death with Ridley. And he was kinda coooooool. Being memetic doesn`t gives someone disadvantage since its something that is granted by fandom and random guys in internet.

All this Other M content and PyroSphere really leads me to believe it's Mysterious Black Man or nobody honestly.

I choose door number 3 called "Ridley or nobody else" then. Unless Sylux will be revealed to be Samus` father and one who mind-controlled Ridley to kill and kill and kill again and meet with Rosalina join SSB4, then nobody else.
...I used "And" a lot of times...i just can`t think of anything else other than "Also" instead of "And".
Added later: also, i started to like him mostly because how he looked since i really like reptiles. Thats why i like dinosaurs and Godzilla monsters (mostly reptilian ones). But now this isn`t the only reason i like them since im older now than when i first saw Ridlz....not a lot older, just 4 years older...but thats enough for me to gain information on things and cut it out in my brain...

 

[AustarusIV]

If I were given the choice of choosing Anthony or Adam as the next Metroid newcomer over having no Metroid newcomer at all, I would still just leave it at having just Samus over those two. I'm mostly just coming here in this thread because of my fondness for Metroid and the fans that I've been talking to.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

That the tail shadow is super tiny compared to the giant tailbone? Yes we all know that the tailbone is super zoomed in on making it seem huge when it really isn't.

I know I just wanted to show that a shadow version of the talon on that shot was in there as well

the key is I think I know where ridley was idle in that shot

 

[Deleted member]

One of the things that makes me like Ridley even more is the fact that his battle is 3x harder than both MB battles in Super Metroid, I tried, like, 5 times before beating him and I even had to use that free-energy refill thing

 

[OblivionWolf]

I know I just wanted to show that a shadow version of the talon on that shot was in there as well

Good now find out how many Ridley shadow talons can fit into the center heptagon!!! Just kdding.

 

[Diddy Kong]

How would something that can be seen either when you complete game well enough or when something is f***ed up and you have to mostly hide and run THAT IS ALSO AVAILABLE FROM THE START satisfy true Metroid fans? ZSS appears = you have completed game fast enough/RUN!.

Which is the main source of challenge in all Metroid games till now. Don't forget she's also playable in Zero Mission. And more games since then. Her being actually playable means she is more viable as a playable character in Smash Bros. It's just that easy.

And Ridley doesn`t talks because he may get super missile into his mouth and he is f***ing busy dealing with Samus. He tried it once - it was succesful attempt. He tried it once again - got so heavily injured that he couldn`t fight anymore and barely survived, most likely out of pure hatred.

When did this happen?

And ROB, Snake and WFT deserving more than him sounds like b-s. ROB was forgotten thing that nearly no one would even imagine joining Brawl roster as an enemy and playable character. Snake was 3rd party character and he isn`t even suitable for such game for few reasons you may not know. WFT was unexpected too and no one even thought she will appear somehow in SSB.

R.O.B saved the gaming industry. Wii Fit is one of the best selling games for Wii and Wii U. With Metroid already having 2 characters, it's natural these characters get in before Ridley.

I didn't include Snake as a character more deserving than Ridley btw.

And Ridley`s Brawl boss battles felt nothing like Ridley boss battles in Metroid games - he didn`t even used fireballs during Ridley battle and didn`t used kinetic breath weapon during Meta Ridley battle. Former example is worst out of what they did wrong with him. And we do see something more personal than any of those enemies, but you may not understand it unless you know what is what - he stole Baby Metroid, which eventually led to his death, he attempted to kill her and only her even if there was someone tastier around during Other M, he attacks her before his 1st boss battle in Corruption instead of joining his comrades in something he really enjoys, etc. And i supported him since i first saw him and thought it was a bada$$ pterosaur that fights that bada$$ guy in bulky armor called Samus Aran. And i then started to read about him in wiki and realized that he was even more bada$$ and that Samus is a girl. So, i would support him even if he would not appear in SSB and Melee in any way.

All bosses in Brawl where a cakewalk. Think Rayquaza can so easily be defeated by Jigglypuff, Pikachu, Ivysaur and Squirtle? Hell, even Lucario and Charizard are way out of it's leaque.

Calling Samus a 'bada$$ guy' though...

 

[Lolo Lolo]

Ridley shouldn't have been in Melee. If anything, characters like and would.

Ok you're right about this

Ridley shouldn't have been in Brawl either. All newcomers outside of and deserved it more.

I hope you're joking ...
Ridley was way too important than :
1- a generic 3rd party character who has a very small history with the big N
2- another 3rd party character who was a very big Nintendo's nemesis
3- a generic not so popular second evolution Pokemon ... so why not Fraxure as a playable character ?
4- a toy .... yes ROB is important to Nintendo but Ridley is better

And even in this game, I feel Ridley just isn't on par with the likes of and (even if I myself don't quite like all these characters either)

Ok ... Megaman, Little Mac and Villager have to be playable (and maybe also the WFT)
but Ridley is A LOT more important than Greninja and Rosalina

If it wasn't for this trailer:

Would you have supported Ridley in?

Honest answers please!

SSBB was my first SSB game so this is my first time supporting a character and I want Ridley playable thanks Oasis and his first post in this thread (before 2011 I was a toobigot)
I saw that trailer after reading this thread so I support him because I love the Metroid series (Metroid Zero Mission was my first videogame) and because Oasis convinced me about his moveset and his relevance and etc.....

Now I have a question for you
If someone started supporting Ridley after watching that trailer ... why have you some problems with them ?

I hope you all understood me ... English isn't my first language

 

[Snagrio]

If I may input a different conversation, I really don't think Ridley has to worry about the PotD anymore. Sakurai obviously is keeping him hidden for hyping purposes, hazard or not. So it wouldn't make any sense to just dump the news on a regular day after the copious amount of teasing Sakurai has done involving the dragon.

And like others have said, no other boss in the game has been kept this secretive which begs the question as to why Ridley is getting such attention, or "lack" thereof; couple that with Ridley's apparent diminutive size here, and everything just starts adding up.

 

[OblivionWolf]

Ok you're right about this



I hope you're joking ...
Ridley was way too important than :
1- a generic 3rd party character who has a very small history with the big N
2- another 3rd party character who was a very big Nintendo's nemesis
3- a generic not so popular second evolution Pokemon ... so why not Fraxure as a playable character ?
4- a toy .... yes ROB is important to Nintendo but Ridley is better



Ok ... Megaman, Little Mac and Villager have to be playable (and maybe also the WFT)
but Ridley is A LOT more important than Greninja and Rosalina



SSBB was my first SSB game so this is my first time supporting a character and I want Ridley playable thanks Oasis and his first post in this thread (before 2011 I was a toobigot)
I saw that trailer after reading this thread so I support him because I love the Metroid series (Metroid Zero Mission was my first videogame) and because Oasis convinced me about his moveset and his relevance and etc.....

Now I have a question for you
If someone started supporting Ridley after watching that trailer ... why have you some problems with them ?

I hope you all understood me ... English isn't my first language

"Please someone agree with my unpopular opinion!" - Diddy Kong

I don't think he even knows what he is talking about. He has done no research. Just let him be.

 

[Deleted member]

Ok you're right about this



I hope you're joking ...
Ridley was way too important than :
1- a generic 3rd party character who has a very small history with the big N
2- another 3rd party character who was a very big Nintendo's nemesis
3- a generic not so popular second evolution Pokemon ... so why not Fraxure as a playable character ?
4- a toy .... yes ROB is important to Nintendo but Ridley is better



Ok ... Megaman, Little Mac and Villager have to be playable (and maybe also the WFT)
but Ridley is A LOT more important than Greninja and Rosalina



SSBB was my first SSB game so this is my first time supporting a character and I want Ridley playable thanks Oasis and his first post in this thread (before 2011 I was a toobigot)
I saw that trailer after reading this thread so I support him because I love the Metroid series (Metroid Zero Mission was my first videogame) and because Oasis convinced me about his moveset and his relevance and etc.....

Now I have a question for you
If someone started supporting Ridley after watching that trailer ... why have you some problems with them ?

I hope you all understood me ... English isn't my first language

See, toobigots can change their opinions too, they just need to play a Metroid game with him(guessing all of them have only played Hunters and Echoes), you and I are proof that people accept defeat, most of the toobigots are those who can't accept that they are wrong and just care about being right, today, I salute you Space Pirate, we are proof that those arguments make sense and that Ridley is and always will be "too big" on his importance to be left out

 

[BaganSmashBros]

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xD As much as I love the Primes pirates....I think if we get one in the game (as an assist i think) they are going to be Zebesians.....

But they were FUNNY! Just try to read data logs of the only sane pirates without thinking that Science Team has vapour for brains. And Zebesians from Other M would be nice, i agree, but i would prefer them to be common enemies unless its NINJA SPACE PIRATES, then AT for the win.

Which is the main source of challenge in all Metroid games till now. Don't forget she's also playable in Zero Mission. And more games since then. Her being actually playable means she is more viable as a playable character in Smash Bros. It's just that easy.

When did this happen?

R.O.B saved the gaming industry. Wii Fit is one of the best selling games for Wii and Wii U. With Metroid already having 2 characters, it's natural these characters get in before Ridley.

I didn't include Snake as a character more deserving than Ridley btw.

All bosses in Brawl where a cakewalk. Think Rayquaza can so easily be defeated by Jigglypuff, Pikachu, Ivysaur and Squirtle? Hell, even Lucario and Charizard are way out of it's leaque.

Calling Samus a 'bada$$ guy' though...

She is still Samus and you will most likely want to finish her part of the game (especially in Other M, since you MUST do it as fast as possible) as fast as possible. Being playable means nothing in SSB since we already got unplayable characters like WFT, ROB, Ganondorf and everyone from LoZ who isn`t Zelda or Link, etc.

In more-or-less canonical manga, he triggered her PTSD first time, then he got blasted into oblivion for that. But he survived long enough to get cybernetic replacements.

And everyone then forgot about him other than extremely nerdy guys. Wasn`t Mario (and DK) one who saved the gaming industry and Nintendo?

Oh, sorry, didn`t noticed "outside of" part...sorry for that.

Noooooo, but neither Feral Chaos should be defeated in a single minute...oh...right...But Ridley lacked something as iconic as pogo-stick tail attack and Screw Attack - fireballs.

Yeah, now i laugh about that...eh...no, really, she doesn`t looks like a human in this armor. I was only 8 years or even younger when i saw "him" first time. And i thought that its possible to collect those "bananas" (yellow arrows actually) in Nitros Oxide`s stage from Crash Team Racing to unlock him. I was young and kinda naive.

 

[AustarusIV]

I wonder if Sakurai anticipated the fact that fans would be analyzing every little detail of Ridley's position for the next few months.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ok you're right about this

Glad you've seen my point. Ridley supporters however acted like they where their character should have been in Brawl and should be shown at the very first moment.

I hope you're joking ...
Ridley was way too important than :
1- a generic 3rd party character who has a very small history with the big N
2- another 3rd party character who was a very big Nintendo's nemesis
3- a generic not so popular second evolution Pokemon ... so why not Fraxure as a playable character ?
4- a toy .... yes ROB is important to Nintendo but Ridley is better

Am not joking, but you are misinterpretending this. I said all of Brawl's newcomers outside of those 4 are more important than Ridley. I will even take back the thing about R.O.B. however, because R.O.B. saved the whole gaming industry back in the day.

Ok ... Megaman, Little Mac and Villager have to be playable (and maybe also the WFT)
but Ridley is A LOT more important than Greninja and Rosalina

Rosalina is from the critically acclaimed Mario Galaxy games. And she has had a lot of personality. She has also appeared as playable in a ton of games since her first role.

Greninja is from a series with a LOT of potential fighters. He's basically the most famous and popular starter from the X / Y games. Guess that counts for something. A Pokémon just doesn't rise that fast in popularity without reason. Take note: I am not justifying Greninja either, as I never liked his inclusion. But there's some vallue to his inclusion... I guess.

SSBB was my first SSB game so this is my first time supporting a character and I want Ridley playable thanks Oasis and his first post in this thread (before 2011 I was a toobigot)
I saw that trailer after reading this thread so I support him because I love the Metroid series (Metroid Zero Mission was my first videogame) and because Oasis convinced me about his moveset and his relevance and etc.....

I was once a Ridley supporter to. And supported him on the basis of how well the Smash development team has 'matured' in creating moveset. In a way, having them add Ridley would seem like the ultimate challenge. And was interessted if Sakurai actually cares about the fanbase. However, think that Sakurai would satisfy most fans if he'd add Mewtwo and King K.Rool. Mewtwo, K.Rool, Little Mac and MegaMan would satisfy most of the 'hardcore' fans I feel.

Now I have a question for you
If someone started supporting Ridley after watching that trailer ... why have you some problems with them ?

I have no problem with it. Sure, seeing Ridley in a Smash enviorment would raise his want in the game. That's just how it goes. However, most people where SUSPECTING Ridley to already be IN the game when they saw him. And felt extremely cheated on when he wasn't, despite it just being a trailer. It has been a blown up issue ever since. So guess that my issue is mostly with these individuals that felt 'cheated on' or 'betrayed' that Ridley wasn't in Melee back in the day, and they are still mad about it. While there was nothing towards hinting playable Ridley in the first place! If anything, Wolf fans should've been angry. Cause Wolf was in that trailer to, but Falco got in in the end.

I hope you all understood me ... English isn't my first language

Same here! English is also my second language. I had no problem understanding you. Remember, practise makes perfect!

 

[Kind Dedede]

Is it too late to support the Ridley poop for playable character?

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Is it too late to support the Ridley poop for playable character?

Yes since it already was confirmed that everything he eats gets fully assimilated and restores his body slowly.
And im kinda happy that Rosalina got in just because its a better choice than something like Toad. This isn`t the only reasons of course - she deserved it.

 

[Kind Dedede]

Toad could make a decent fighter if given the proper move set as well as a decent trailer showcasing it to help the nay sayers how well executed it could be. Then again, that can be said about anybody. I laughed at the villager but after seeing him action I'm more open to his inclusion.

Back onto Ridley, I've been rooting for him since the Melee days since I did enjoy him from Super Metroid. That cover art always lingered with me as a kid and loved his battle from the game. He seemed like a shoe in after watching that quick shot in the trailer but alas was rejected. After going back and looking at it, wish they would go full SM Ridley (:

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Toad could make a decent fighter if given the proper move set as well as a decent trailer showcasing it to help the nay sayers how well executed it could be. Then again, that can be said about anybody. I laughed at the villager but after seeing him action I'm more open to his inclusion.

Back onto Ridley, I've been rooting for him since the Melee days since I did enjoy him from Super Metroid. That cover art always lingered with me as a kid and loved his battle from the game. He seemed like a shoe in after watching that quick shot in the trailer but alas was rejected. After going back and looking at it, wish they would go full SM Ridley (:

But Rosalina is still better and more unique.

Yeah, unfortunately, he was unimportant during Melee.

 

[Kind Dedede]

But Rosalina is still better and more unique.

Yeah, unfortunately, he was unimportant during Melee.

Agreed but wouldn't play him down so much as people do. He is very important to the franchise after all.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

well this is probably where I think ridley was stand in my opinion

 

[Lolo Lolo]

See, toobigots can change their opinions too, they just need to play a Metroid game with him(guessing all of them have only played Hunters and Echoes), you and I are proof that people accept defeat, most of the toobigots are those who can't accept that they are wrong and just care about being right, today, I salute you Space Pirate, we are proof that those arguments make sense and that Ridley is and always will be "too big" on his importance to be left out

Thank You :D
we are normal people because we see when we are wrong and when we are right ... not like shokio or ultra
PS I salute you too

Am not joking, but you are misinterpretending this. I said all of Brawl's newcomers outside of those 4 are more important than Ridley. I will even take back the thing about R.O.B. however, because R.O.B. saved the whole gaming industry back in the day.

Sorry I didn't Understood that frase but I still think that Ridley is as important as characters like Wario, Ganondorf and Metaknight
and I think that Ridley is more important than characters like Ike, Jigglypuff and Wolf

Rosalina is from the critically acclaimed Mario Galaxy games. And she has had a lot of personality. She has also appeared as playable in a ton of games since her first role.

Greninja is from a series with a LOT of potential fighters. He's basically the most famous and popular starter from the X / Y games. Guess that counts for something. A Pokémon just doesn't rise that fast in popularity without reason. Take note: I am not justifying Greninja either, as I never liked his inclusion. But there's some vallue to his inclusion... I guess.

Rosalina is NOT very important ... she appeared only in few games (spin-off aren't important) and her first playable appearance is in Super Mario 3D World ... then she became playable in many other games (SSB, Mario Golf, Mario Kart etc...)
And Ridley has a very big personality too ... and I don't think "personality" is a big point to make a playable character COUGHmrgame&watchCOUGHrobCOUGHwiifittrainerCOUGH
and I think Waluigi/Bowser Junior/Paper Mario/Toad are better Super Mario newcomers

About Greninja ... same thing I told about Ivysaur ...
and Meowth/Mewtwo/Blaziken are better Pokemon newcomers

I was once a Ridley supporter to. And supported him on the basis of how well the Smash development team has 'matured' in creating moveset. In a way, having them add Ridley would seem like the ultimate challenge. And was interessted if Sakurai actually cares about the fanbase. However, think that Sakurai would satisfy most fans if he'd add Mewtwo and King K.Rool. Mewtwo, K.Rool, Little Mac and MegaMan would satisfy most of the 'hardcore' fans I feel.

Ridley is the most wanted character for SSB and he DESERVES to be playable before everyone else
and I don't think Ridley's supporters will be happy if he isn't playable and a lot of toobigots come and treat you as garbage

Same here! English is also my second language. I had no problem understanding you. Remember, practise makes perfect!

Thank you

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Rosalina is NOT very important ... she appeared only in few games (spin-off aren't important) and her first playable appearance is in Super Mario 3D World ... then she became playable in many other games (SSB, Mario Golf, Mario Kart etc...)

Sure she is! ... Or so Nintendo wants you to think. They've been stuffing Rosalina down our throats for ages now. I'm 100% convinced at this point that anyone rooting for Rosalina's inclusion in Smash before her inclusion were bandwagoners of Nintendo's subliminal Rosalina propaganda. Why else would Rosalina get into spinoffs over more deserving characters? Hell, we've even got Baby Rosalina now in Mario Kart 8. That's hilarious.

Anyway, caught up on three or four pages of Ridley goodness, which took ages to do.

 

[Luigi#1]

At least he's not using the long dead too big argument.

 

[SomewhatMystia]

That is one dinky boss.

Sakurai could have at least gone all out on his size.
/sarcasm

Pretty much the only thing that keeps the Boss confirmation afloat is that damn "Other boss character appearances" subtitle.

My guess is that was Sakurai either being clever with his phrasing (technically, Ridley is a boss character...) or it was a mostly unrelated clip/subtitle relation. We don't even know if Pyrosphere has a boss at this point because, if I'm not mistaken, there's evidence pointing to the lava flow being the hazard (note how it isn't flowing in the FD version of the level). In either case, Sakurai wouldn't be lying about it. We will be seeing more Boss Characters (Dark Lord in Find Mii, for instance) and, assuming Ridley is playable, we'll be seeing more 'boss characters' in the sense of 'characters who are (usually) bosses'.

tl;dr - I just think it's Sakurai being clever with his wording.

 

[Snagrio]

Sure she is! ... Or so Nintendo wants you to think. They've been stuffing Rosalina down our throats for ages now. I'm 100% convinced at this point that anyone rooting for Rosalina's inclusion in Smash before her inclusion were bandwagoners of Nintendo's subliminal Rosalina propaganda. Why else would Rosalina get into spinoffs over more deserving characters? Hell, we've even got Baby Rosalina now in Mario Kart 8. That's hilarious.

Anyway, caught up on three or four pages of Ridley goodness, which took ages to do.

I'll sooner take Baby Rosalina over Pink Gold Peach. Seriously Nintendo, there's plenty of perfectly fine existing Mario characters, stop making up stupid stuff like this.

But off topic things aside, I can agree that in the past Ridley wasn't nearly as well known, but the way it is now his status clearly pertains to a position higher then a mere boss/hazard.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Sure she is! ... Or so Nintendo wants you to think. They've been stuffing Rosalina down our throats for ages now. I'm 100% convinced at this point that anyone rooting for Rosalina's inclusion in Smash before her inclusion were bandwagoners of Nintendo's subliminal Rosalina propaganda. Why else would Rosalina get into spinoffs over more deserving characters? Hell, we've even got Baby Rosalina now in Mario Kart 8. That's hilarious.

Anyway, caught up on three or four pages of Ridley goodness, which took ages to do.

Well, SOMEONE had to somehow represent Galaxy. My only regret is that Waluigi was once again relegated to Assist Trophy status when he's basically the face of the Mario sports spinoffs.

And the Luma mechanic does look interesting, so I have no complaints.

And wow, we've been talking a lot about Greninja and Anthony and not-Ridley.

 

[Staarih]

I love Rosalina as a character, but to say that she's more important than Ridley is quite farfetched. Well, maybe when looking at total game sales, but when observing the two individual franchises (Mario and Metroid in this case) they have some sort of "hierarchy" of their own, at least in my eyes, where Ridley is definitely somewhere at the top while Rosalina falls short behind other Mario-characters.

 

[Luigi#1]

I think if Sakurai is hyping up for Ridley, that is rather mean. Yeah, he makes the game, yeah he can do what he wants, but it would still be mean to rub it in so much. I really hope he's trolling.

 

[Kalimdori]

Hello! New Ridley supporter here! Ish. Have been waiting to post until I fully caught up on the thread, but based on the pace it seems to be growing that will probably never happen.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Well, SOMEONE had to somehow represent Galaxy. My only regret is that Waluigi was once again relegated to Assist Trophy status when he's basically the face of the Mario sports spinoffs.

 

[Snagrio]

Hello! New Ridley supporter here! Ish. Have been waiting to post until I fully caught up on the thread, but based on the pace it seems to be growing that will probably never happen.

Welcome to the space pirate crew!