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Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

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Another comparison:


On the left I tried to make an estimate of how big Bowser's shadow would be by comparing it to Fox's from another screenshot. Ridley is only slightly taller than Bowser here, although he's hunched over so technically he should be even bigger than that.
Yeah I actually expect Ridley to always be hunching that way he can be big without actually taking up lots of height room. I see him standing on all fours just like Donkey Kong and how he does in Other M.

DK would be just as tall as Bowser if standing straight up.

http://smashbros-miiverse.com/images/daily/luigi-screen-7.jpg
 
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Does...

Ridley go backward at the end of the clip?
 

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This is a more accurate comparison of Mother Brain and Ridley:



Looks pretty big there, but have in mind most of that size is taken up by his wings.
So he'd be this big?
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(I used Ridley's Melee trophy for reference, and edited it because it was ****ing ugly)

AKA SchAlternate's first halfassed attempt at making a leak.
 

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So he'd be this big?
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(I used Ridley's Melee trophy for reference, and edited it because it was ****ing ugly)

AKA SchAlternate's first halfassed attempt at making a leak.
I mean the wings jump out at me and make me think too big, but then I really look at it and realize it's actually quite a decent size. I guess that's coming from you using the trophy model, or something.
 

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So he'd be this big?
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(I used Ridley's Melee trophy for reference, and edited it because it was ****ing ugly)

AKA SchAlternate's first halfassed attempt at making a leak.
That's actually a pretty good size one would expect Ridley to be at, as a playable dude. Also, the editing is quite nice.
 

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I have one question though.

The shadow itself had wings with distinct pointed tips on the end, long arms, and a blade-tipped tail. That would make it Other M Ridley, right?

But with all the stuff going on about his movements in the video, if he IS playable, would that mean he has his Other M appearance? Or did they give him a new appearance JUST for Smash?
 

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I have one question though.

The shadow itself had wings with distinct pointed tips on the end, long arms, and a blade-tipped tail. That would make it Other M Ridley, right?

But with all the stuff going on about his movements in the video, if he IS playable, would that mean he has his Other M appearance? Or did they give him a new appearance JUST for Smash?
The tail and wings can be seen as Other M Ridley's, but the limbs are too chicken-bone to really be from Roidley's.
 

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So basically, something that wouldn't be done for a boss meant to be faithful to an existing game. Aww yiss.
Not necessarily.

It's near impossible to tell everything from a shadow. Especially one as....odd as this one.
 

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Hey peeps. Do me a favor.

I don't have good editing someware but...

Could someone compare the tip of the tail to the tip's shadow?
 

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Many say that the Roidley version of Smash looks less bulky....I think I know how that happened...

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Random sketchy thingy.....
 

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Many say that the Roidley version of Smash looks less bulky....I think I know how that happened...

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Random sketchy thingy.....
Nice Avatar, very spiffy.

Anyhow, I think that Roidley is going to be the default costume, but like Link and Samus, different elements across all incarnations will be somehow implemented, resulting in a satisfactory character model.
 

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I have one question though.

The shadow itself had wings with distinct pointed tips on the end, long arms, and a blade-tipped tail. That would make it Other M Ridley, right?

But with all the stuff going on about his movements in the video, if he IS playable, would that mean he has his Other M appearance? Or did they give him a new appearance JUST for Smash?
Yes

And

Theres no avoiding other m ridley design pause the video at the right point you get the arm spikes from other m ridley (oh his disgusting duck bill as well only looks good froma side view not a front view)

But good news i would not be suprised at all if super metroid ridley was a alternate costume (from wireframe mac and male wii fit trainer)

Ps welcome to smashboards
 
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Nice Avatar, very spiffy.

Anyhow, I think that Roidley is going to be the default costume, but like Link and Samus, different elements across all incarnations will be somehow implemented, resulting in a satisfactory character model.
:3 Thank you! I just fell in love with that kind of silly face Shining Armor had when Spike jumped on his back.

:/ I hope the design of Rids/Roid comes decent enough....But oh well, it's Sakurai decision...
 
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Hey peeps. Do me a favor.

I don't have good editing someware but...

Could someone compare the tip of the tail to the tip's shadow?
I may have completely misunderstood, but...
Like this or the other way around?

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But, I must warn you, "don't put any stock in this [shadow] hogwash." This isn't reliable. Who knows to what degree the lighting is messing with proportions. The first and third remain pretty consistent in size while the second gets a little elongated, but that's all I can say.
 

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I may have completely misunderstood, but...
Like this or the other way around?


But, I must warn you, "don't put any stock in this [shadow] hogwash." This isn't reliable. Who knows to what degree the lighting is messing with proportions. The first and third remain pretty consistent in size while the second gets a little elongated, but that's all I can say.
Yeah. That's what I want.

Hm....

That looks really small...

Why is the shadow that small when the tip of his tail is actually huge?
 

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So... in the potential scenario where Ridley is officially disconfirmed...

What would your reaction be?

Me? Well, I'd be VERY dissapointed with Sakurai, but I'd pretty much maintain my cool anyway, especially if the rest of the roster pretty much makes up for it.

Ah, who am I kidding, I'll go like this:
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I'm sure some of you will too. :p
 

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I am pretty sure the tip of the tail only looks huge because of the camera and where it is. I am convinced that the location and angle of the camera was pretty deliberate for more than a few reasons.
 

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Why is the shadow that small when the tip of his tail is actually huge?
I think it's because of the camera angle and being zoomed in and Ridley being in the air and all that mumbo-jumbo. It feels like it's put together in a very clever manner as in to fool us, but I may be imagining things haha!
 

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So... in the potential scenario where Ridley is officially disconfirmed...

What would your reaction be?

Me? Well, I'd be VERY dissapointed with Sakurai, but I'd pretty much maintain my cool anyway, especially if the rest of the roster pretty much makes up for it.

Ah, who am I kidding, I'll go like this:
I'm sure some of you will too. :p
:/ Yeah, I would be enraged for AWHILE because of Sakurai's incompetence on Ridley and I would go looking for him and kill him ask him in the MOST polite way, why he did that again.....

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Yeah, that will do, no need for the Tomahawk...
 
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I feel like even if the Ridley in that picture is gigantic, Sakurai definitely wouldn't be above using a super mushroom to make him larger than normal.

I mean like... That definitely seems like something he'd do.

I've never even played a Metroid game besides the one on the DS (Metroid Prime Hunters) and even I have to say that there is no excuse for Ridley missing out on another Smash Bros game.

Every time I look back at this thread, he either "looks really small" or "looks gigantic" so I don't even know. He's probably like playable or summin' like that. :yoshi64:
 

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I am pretty sure everything here is deliberate to just make it impossible to tell whether he's a boss or a playable character by looking at him. I mean just looking at the footage without actually analyzing it makes him look gigantic, but then you realize

He's not nearly as much bigger than Pikachu as you would think he should, and he is a lot closer to Bowser than you would think he should be without his wingspan. And even if we can't tell definitively, it all just seems kind of... strange? And I mean the only reason we analyze it is because Sakurai deliberately created an openly ambiguous situation to begin with.
 

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OM Ridley and the original Ridley are and at the same time aren't the same character in the literal sense. Link and Toon Link have the same situation; besides the name both are technically the same person in a different incarnation (Young Link drives this home even further).

So with two Links fighting each other I don't see how two Ridleys (one playable, one hazard) flying around at the same time is a problem.
Just to let you know, the Links from different games are usually different people. Exceptions include the OoT and Majora's Mask Link, which are the same person.
 

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I am pretty sure everything here is deliberate to just make it impossible to tell whether he's a boss or a playable character by looking at him. I mean just looking at the footage without actually analyzing it makes him look gigantic, but then you realize

He's not nearly as much bigger than Pikachu as you would think he should, and he is a lot closer to Bowser than you would think he should be without his wingspan. And even if we can't tell definitively, it all just seems kind of... strange? And I mean the only reason we analyze it is because Sakurai deliberately created an openly ambiguous situation to begin with.
The thing that really grabs me is that Sakurai deliberately doesn't deconfirm OR confirm Ridley, in spite of the fact that we know several bosses are going to be in the game. Why dangle the carrot like that? My guess is that he's got more to show us that involves Ridley. Like a playable one.

As I've said in a previous topic, normally I'd just consider it Sakurai trolling hard as he always does, but the fact that he does it in the same Direct to other CLEARLY popular requests (Palutena, King K. Rool, and Ridley specifically), just kinda makes me think. Sakurai's a huge troll and he's got a strange sense of humor, but I don't think he'd be so cruel as to dangle carrots and then snatch them away, y'know?

The whole Melee Ridley thing not withstanding, of course.
 
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:/ Yeah, I would be enraged because of Sakurai's incompetence on Ridley and I would go looking for him and kill him.....literally

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I love to use the Assassins...they are the perfect example of what i wish i could to to him....if he deconfirms him again...
What an atrocious comment. It's reportable. Please choose your words more carefully.
 

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The same could be said about Ridley and his clone from Other M.
Yeahhh.... We'll see if he wants to use Ridley's clone. Or Meta Ridley. It comes down to whether or not Sakurai finds it acceptable to tone down Ridley a dozen notches in order to turn him into a fair, playable character rather than a boss which would require almost no toning down.
 

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I feel like the Ridley in Melee incident wasn't deliberate at the time and was more like accidental trolling. NOW though, it can't really be called an accident 13 years and two games later.
 

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Yeahhh.... We'll see if he wants to use Ridley's clone. Or Meta Ridley. It comes down to whether or not Sakurai finds it acceptable to tone down Ridley a dozen notches in order to turn him into a fair, playable character rather than a boss which would require almost no toning down.
Well, see, that's where we run into a problem. As a developer, yes, it's easy to just make Ridley a boss (see Subspace Emissary). As a businessman, however, you WANT the game to sell, especially the Wii U version. The Wii U version of Smash 4 is a risky investment because this is a game that Nintendo wants to move consoles. It doesn't have the benefit of being a novelty like the 3DS version.

How do you move your software AND your hardware? Listen to the fans.

We're already scraping the bottom of the barrel for playable characters, and that was after Brawl started doing it, so much so that Sakurai's already gone back on something he said back in Brawl's development days (see Villager). So now we're looking at this potentially occurring twice. Being the eccentric game developer that Sakurai is served him well the first three games. Now we're talking about a game that the fate of a whole console is partially hanging onto. Now is kind of a bad time for Sakurai to be putting in Wii Fit Trainers, Villagers and Chorus Men, but now's a REALLY good time for Ridleys, King K. Rools, Palutenas and Chroms. Y'know, characters people were actually asking for. Little Mac and Greninja were good first steps, but it's looking bleak so far.

That's how you sell a crossover fighter that's essentially a love letter to fans. Cater to the fans. Never minding that should be your goal from the get go, but there's only so many silly off-the-wall character concepts and clones/semi-clones you can put into your series before you have to step back and ask yourself why Melee and Brawl had hilariously disappointing rosters.

tl;dr: If you want to sell your crossover game, it's time to listen to the fans finally.
 
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