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Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

fuljak

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Ridley's shadow acts weird because the animations obviously aren't finished. His whole body stops completely at a certain point in the video with the exceptions of his wings, with his arms being stretched forward in a very weird manner. This is a very obvious sign of him being a work in progress, and being educated in 3D animation myself it was something I noticed the second I saw the shadow too. The wings are animated seperately from the main body, which is also common for winged creatures, Skyrim does it with its Dragons too iirc, and this is not something they'd do with a character as it'd lead to weird bugs and less control over the model, but it works much better for a scripted AI. It would also explain why he hasn't been shown since him being teased back in August, and also explains why he still wasn't shown full body despite being confirmed as a stage hazard.

You guys know how much I want Ridley, but it's a bit tiring to see the argument that his shadow acted weird when there's an explanation for it. Judging from the little we saw of him he'll also be more random than his Brawl counterpart, instead of flying idly in one spot and waiting to bust out an attack he'll likely fly around constantly, which is where splitting his model up in sections makes sense (in this case it seems to simply be split between the wings and the body.) The latter part is just speculation though.

The Ridley we saw isn't playable, that's one thing that's for certain.
The Ridley we saw IS playable due to the "unfinished" animations. I use quotes because the animations are in fact finished and it only looks "unfinished" because that's how all of the playable characters move. Due to the speed of the game, with people being able to pull off a multitude of moves in mere seconds, theres no room for smooth animation transitions. This makes it look "jerky," and specifically due to his tail's length, it would probably warp around.

Like i said earlier, anyone with experience in 3D modeling can see all of these things.
 

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Bowser was never a boss in Melee, however for Giga Bowser, that's a different story.But you know who WAS a boss in the Subspace Emissary? Ridley, twice.
Technically, it was Bowser and he were possibly talking about his role in Adventure Mode on (very?) easy-normal difficulty.
The Ridley we saw IS playable due to the "unfinished" animations. I use quotes because the animations are in fact finished and it only looks "unfinished" because that's how all of the playable characters move. Due to the speed of the game, with people being able to pull off a multitude of moves in mere seconds, theres no room for smooth animation transitions. This makes it look "jerky," and specifically due to his tail's length, it would probably warp around.

Like i said earlier, anyone with experience in 3D modeling can see all of these things.
I kinda agree with you, but there is also special "transition" animations in Brawl that help model to move from one pose to another between, for example, idle and walking animation. I know that because i saw them in animations file and i MAY be wrong...but still its worth of mentioning.
 
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Now, Now Children let's all keep a cool head.

If you think RIdley is playable or not is fine, but if you've come in this thread merely to tell Ridley supporters that they're "Lying to themselves" "In Denial" and "Delusional" then Would you Kindly Leave.

Because what you are doing is called "Bring an right rudy Arse" and not cool.
 

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Now, Now Children let's all keep a cool head.

If you think RIdley is playable or not is fine, but if you've come in this thread merely to tell Ridley supporters that they're "Lying to themselves" "In Denial" and "Delusional" then Would you Kindly Leave.

Because what you are doing is called "Bring an right rudy Arse" and not cool.
But, dear sir, didn't you get the memo? It's bloody impossible for anyone on the internet to not be a ass hat.
Sarcasm mode disengaged.
 

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I kinda agree with you, but there is also special "transition" animations in Brawl that help model to move from one pose to another between, for example, idle and walking animation. I know that because i saw them in animations file and i MAY be wrong...but still its worth of mentioning.
Player characters will still have transitions, but they are kept short and interruptable. In some cases they don't have any and the mesh will just merge into the next animation. Either way, you can see the shadow flipflop back and forth rapidly at the very last second of the clip, which a boss or stage hazard would never do ever.
 

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Now, Now Children let's all keep a cool head.

If you think RIdley is playable or not is fine, but if you've come in this thread merely to tell Ridley supporters that they're "Lying to themselves" "In Denial" and "Delusional" then Would you Kindly Leave.

Because what you are doing is called "Bring an right rudy Arse" and not cool.
There is also mysterious, but very annoying species known as "The Trolls". We are doing what we can to further research them to create weapon capable of blasting their brain out of the skull with maximal damage and range. Unfortunately, we failed to create such weapon, but we still work on it.
Player characters will still have transitions, but they are kept short and interruptable. In some cases they don't have any and the mesh will just merge into the next animation. Either way, you can see the shadow flipflop back and forth rapidly at the very last second of the clip, which a boss or stage hazard would never do ever.
They always were short (2 frames only). But i agree that he jerked around during his "flight animationu!"/jumps in a way boss wouldn`t do (even CRAZY HAND has nothing like that).
Those animations aren`t used before/after attacks as far as i know and isn`t used for "hurt" animations.
 
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There is also mysterious, but very annoying species known as "The Trolls". We are doing what we can to further research them to create weapon capable of blasting their brain out of the skull with maximal damage and range. Unfortunately, we failed to create such weapon, but we still work on it.
Here's a hint.

Logic. :yoshi2:
 

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Here's a hint.

Logic. :yoshi2:
Thanks for this hint, fellow Space Pirate (you are an space pirate, right?). We will try to use it and, if it will fail, we will either use blunt force or fire. Our Research Team will be exited to see the results of this experiment.
 
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Again I look at the"trauma of Samus" and Ridley's shadow as tease to deliberately create debate and discussion. Why, I can't say for sure obviously. But I still don't buy the unfinished Ridley portion of the argument. His model could have been complete or near complete and all Sakurai could have shown was an imagine and be done with it. Yet we were still just given a shadow and still no name at all.

Sakurai talks about creating characters from the ground up but we know that is barely even a half truth. So many assets are ported from previous Smash titles, if all we were given was a choppy flight path of Ridley's shadow one might think that the assets from Brawl's Ridley might have carried over even just a little bit for that "confirmation." Even the character pictures seen during the direct used the old render for Diddy.

I will counter myself though and say that If like Skyward sword where it seems that assets were ported directly from the source it's self, If this Ridley came from Other M I wouldn't be totally surprised since that Ridley had some awkward flying animations, especially compared to Brawl or even this one.
 

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I will counter myself though and say that If like Skyward sword where it seems that assets were ported directly from the source it's self, If this Ridley came from Other M I wouldn't be totally surprised since that Ridley had some awkward flying animations, especially compared to Brawl or even this one.
But they still were smooth enough and his body barely moved and was positioned verticaly. So, thats not true.
 

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Thanks for this hint, fellow Space Pirate (you are an space pirate, right?). We will try to use it and, if it will fail, we will either use blunt force or fire. Our Research Team will be exited to see the results of this experiment.
Actually, I don't mind Ridley being in Smash 4. He's just a video game character. lol

I just came to have some fun.
 

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The Ridley we saw IS playable due to the "unfinished" animations. I use quotes because the animations are in fact finished and it only looks "unfinished" because that's how all of the playable characters move. Due to the speed of the game, with people being able to pull off a multitude of moves in mere seconds, theres no room for smooth animation transitions. This makes it look "jerky," and specifically due to his tail's length, it would probably warp around.

Like i said earlier, anyone with experience in 3D modeling can see all of these things.
Emm... No. Seriously, I'd be incredibly worried about this game if the characters' bodies just randomly enter a dead state. The animations are not jerky in the traditional playable character way, they're jerky in the way that they're not polished in the slightest. Like I said earlier, as someone with experience in 3D modeling I can easily see this is the case, and anybody else with such an education behind their back should also see this.

C'mon guys, I've got 10 years of support and thousands of pro-Ridley posts on my back, Ridley is my favorite video game character of all-time, you know how much I wish Ridley was a playable character, but there's a certain point where these argument just reach too far and I've gotta resort to logic. I've seen arguments that reach this far before, I made them myself when Ridley was deconfirmed for Brawl, so the only reason I made the comment to begin with was to warn you not make the same mistake and end up extremely dissapointed when the logical thing proves true. I'm not saying to stop supporting Ridley, but these arguments just makes us look desperate, which we in all honesty are at this point, we're hanging on the most thin thread of all character support bases.

If Ridley will be playable at all in this game, it'll be the classic Ridley, that's the only way the whole situation would make sense. Other Ridley is a boss, simple as that, all signs point to that, and that alone.
 
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Actually, I don't mind Ridley being in Smash 4. He's just a video game character. lol

I just came to have some fun.
Then we will just call you a more-or-less helpful messager/whatever.
If Ridley will be playable at all in this game, it'll be the classic Ridley, that's the only way the whole situation would make sense. Other Ridley is a boss, simple as that, all signs point to that, and that alone.
Actually, im against theory of 2 Ridleys because it makes even less sense than that Ridley at direct was a playable character, but i wouldn`t mind having this kind of things happening.
And SSBB Ridley`s death animation has him stop after some time and that can be seen if he was KOed while high in the air.
 
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Emm... No. Seriously, I'd be incredibly worried about this game if the characters' bodies just randomly enter a dead state. They're not jerky in the traditional playable character way, they're jerky in the way that they're not polished in the slightest. Like I said earlier, as someone with experience in 3D modeling I can easily see this is the case, and anybody else with such an education behind their back should also see this.

C'mon guys, I've got 10 years of support and thousands of pro-Ridley posts on my back, you know how much I wish Ridley was a playable character, but there's a certain point where these argument just reach too far and I've gotta resort to logic. I've seen arguments that reach this far before, I made them myself when Ridley was deconfirmed for Brawl, so the only reason I made the comment to begin with was to warn you not make the same mistake and end up extremely dissapointed when the logical thing proves true. I'm not saying to stop supporting Ridley, but these arguments just makes us look desperate, which we in all honesty are at this point, we're hanging on the most thin thread of all character support bases.

If Ridley will be playable at all in this game, it'll be the classic Ridley, that's the only way the whole situation would make sense. Other Ridley is a boss, simple as that, all signs point to that, and that alone.
On one hand, I appreciate your logical approach and the fact you make valid points. I also like that, since canonically Other Ridley and Super Ridley can appear on the same plane of existence, it may be possible that Super Ridley will be a playable character.

On the other hand, I doubt Sakurai would do that. It just seems kind of un-characteristic.

On the other other hand, Sakurai loves to troll, and he's got us right where we wants us.
 

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Actually, im against theory of 2 Ridleys because it makes even less sense than that Ridley at direct was a playable character, but i wouldn`t mind having this kind of things happening.
It makes sense in the fact that the Other M Ridley is a clone of the original, meaning he's an entirely seperate entity, no different from all the different Snakes in Metal Gear Solid, thus they can easily co-exist. Now personally I'm not holding out much hope for this at all, but it's what would make sense at this point.

On one hand, I appreciate your logical approach and the fact you make valid points. I also like that, since canonically Other Ridley and Super Ridley can appear on the same plane of existence, it may be possible that Super Ridley will be a playable character.

On the other hand, I doubt Sakurai would do that. It just seems kind of un-characteristic.

On the other other hand, Sakurai loves to troll, and he's got us right where we wants us.
I don't think we're in the position to judge Sakurai's character, he has constantly proven that we're nutjobs for trying, more so than ever with Smash 4's speculation period. Sakurai has had us right where he wants us since August 20th 2013, now whether he wants to pay our patience off remains to be seen. It's been beneficial to the game's hype either way.
 
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If Ridley is confirmed how big would be the "I was wrong thread"?
I think it will either be TOO BIG to be left unnoticed or TOO SMALL to be created.
It makes sense in the fact that the Other M Ridley is a clone of the original, meaning he's an entirely seperate entity, no different from all the different Snakes in Metal Gear Solid, thus they can easily co-exist. Now personally I'm not holding out much hope for this at all, but it's what would make sense at this point.
It just sounds kinda perfect...and that is something that doesn`t exists in this universe. Having redesigned classic Ridley would be THE BEST outcome of this situation.
 

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I don't think we're in the position to judge Sakurai's character, he has constantly proven that we're nutjobs for trying, more so than ever with Smash 4's speculation period. Sakurai has had us right where he wants us since August 20th 2013, now whether he wants to pay our patience off remains to be seen. It's been beneficial to the game's hype either way.
I guess we'll know at E3. Time cannot tick fast enough.
 

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It just sounds kinda perfect...and that is something that doesn`t exists in this universe. Having redesigned classic Ridley would be THE BEST outcome of this situation.
Indeed, and that's why I'm not banking on it honestly. If it proves to be the case, I think we should all get together and give Sakurai a ****ing medal, not only for being a fan-pleaser, but also for being the biggest troll in video game history.
 
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If Sakurai willed it, Ridley could be a unique character. I have 100% faith in that.



I'd prefer to be "optimistic about his chances" rather than in denial. It's not a cardinal sin to want a character in, is it?
You might want to prepare yourself for disappointment because chances are looking towards Ridley not being playable. Hell, it's been looking like that he won't be playable ever since the Pyrosphere PotD and the Direct was very clear on that. I wanna be optimistic about King Hyrule's chances of being playable, but that's not gonna happen even when he is more influential in the Zelda universe than the Skull Kid who really shouldn't be given a lot of credit due to Majora's Mask. It's the same thing with Ridley unfortunately.
 
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Indeed, and that's why I'm not banking on it honestly. If it proves to be the case, I think we should all get together and give Sakurai a ****ing medal, not only for being a fan-pleaser, but also for being the biggest troll in video game history.
he should get the latter regardless
 

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You might want to prepare yourself for disappointment because chances are looking towards Ridley not being playable. Hell, it's been looking like that he won't be playable ever since the Pyrosphere PotD and the Direct was very clear on that. I wanna be optimistic about King Hyrule's chances of being playable, but that's not gonna happen even when he is more influential in the Zelda universe than the Skull Kid who really shouldn't be given a lot of credit due to Majora's Mask. It's the same thing with Ridley unfortunately.
I'm fully aware odds are leaning to Ridley being a boss. I stated before that there's around a 40-60/30-70(something a long those figures) that Ridley will be playable, but I'd rather have some hope than none. Ridley's been one of those characters I've always wanted to play as, and while I'm doubtful, it's a possibility.
 

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You might want to prepare yourself for disappointment because chances are looking towards Ridley not being playable. Hell, it's been looking like that he won't be playable ever since the Pyrosphere PotD and the Direct was very clear on that. I wanna be optimistic about King Hyrule's chances of being playable, but that's not gonna happen even when he is more influential in the Zelda universe than the Skull Kid who really shouldn't be given a lot of credit due to Majora's Mask. It's the same thing with Ridley unfortunately.
 

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Now, Now Children let's all keep a cool head.

If you think RIdley is playable or not is fine, but if you've come in this thread merely to tell Ridley supporters that they're "Lying to themselves" "In Denial" and "Delusional" then Would you Kindly Leave.

Because what you are doing is called "Bring an right rudy Arse" and not cool.
I wish but the people saying we are in denial are the ones in denial and they don't bother listening to are side

By the way bowser is a boss on melee giga bowser and bowser are the same thing besides giga bowser got upgraded to playable by smash ball
 

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I'm fully aware odds are leaning to Ridley being a boss. I stated before that there's around a 40-60/30-70(something a long those figures) that Ridley will be playable, but I'd rather have some hope than none. Ridley's been one of those characters I've always wanted to play as, and while I'm doubtful, it's a possibility.
I'm just saying that it might not be a good idea to set yourself up for disappointment. If it happens, then you'll be much more excited expecting him to be out than trying to hold out false hopes for him. That's a big if though. Ridley is awesome even though he'd get running for his money against Charizard. :006: It's just that he doesn't really fit in a Smash Bros. environment as a playable character because of everything that is Ridley from his size to his ability to fight being too much or too little for such an environment. Being optimistic about chances for a character that has something between slim and nil isn't really healthy, but that's just how I see it though. Just passing friendly advice.
 

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I wish but the people saying we are in denial are the ones in denial and they don't bother listening to are side

By the way bowser is a boss on melee giga bowser and bowser are the same thing besides giga bowser got upgraded to playable by smash ball
True story, there are two sides to the Ridley argument now:

"Thesre is no way Ridley will be playable now or ever in the future. It is literally objectively impossible based off the nebulous information we have now." These are the "rational thinkers" of the community.

"Ridley could be playable, could be a boss. We will see at E3 or when the game comes out soon after what happens." These are the "delusional fanboys" of the community.

That's definitely how that works. Yep.
 

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True story, there are two sides to the Ridley argument now:

"Thesre is no way Ridley will be playable now or ever in the future. It is literally objectively impossible based off the nebulous information we have now." These are the "rational thinkers" of the community.

"Ridley could be playable, could be a boss. We will see at E3 or when the game comes out soon after what happens." These are the "delusional fanboys" of the community.

That's definitely how that works. Yep.
So if i supported Wii Fit Trainer Pre E3 2013 i would be a delusional fanboy because i have the unpopular opnion?
That's how these guys think right?

Hmmmm.....
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True story, there are two sides to the Ridley argument now:

"Thesre is no way Ridley will be playable now or ever in the future. It is literally objectively impossible based off the nebulous information we have now." These are the "rational thinkers" of the community.

"Ridley could be playable, could be a boss. We will see at E3 or when the game comes out soon after what happens." These are the "delusional fanboys" of the community.

That's definitely how that works. Yep.
Of course vague implications are concrete proof that Ridley will never be playable! We've been wrong this whole time! Anarchy!

I'm just saying that it might not be a good idea to set yourself up for disappointment. If it happens, then you'll be much more excited expecting him to be out than trying to hold out false hopes for him. That's a big if though. Ridley is awesome even though he'd get running for his money against Charizard. :006: It's just that he doesn't really fit in a Smash Bros. environment as a playable character because of everything that is Ridley from his size to his ability to fight being too much or too little for such an environment. Being optimistic about chances for a character that has something between slim and nil isn't really healthy, but that's just how I see it though. Just passing friendly advice.
If Ridley isn't in, I'll be upset, but I have new-Bowser, solo-zard, Yoshi, and ninja-frog(and possibly King K. Rool if he's revealed) to fall back on. The Reptile Crew(and random frog) will live on.
 
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It's just that he doesn't really fit in a Smash Bros. environment as a playable character because of everything that is Ridley from his size to his ability to fight being too much or too little for such an environment.
*sigh*
As it has mentioned before, the wings can be put in other planes, so his hit-box isn't a problem
Keep in mind that this is a fan mod, Sakurai, his team and Namco could do way better
I also found a full fight
Now, tell me, if fans can do it, why Sakurai can't?
 

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Yes there is. Was it not stated plainly enough when Sakurai talked about bosses, talked about bosses behing hazards then said other bosses will appear while Ridley's shadow was shown?


You people are so heavily in denial. I hope the "I told you so!" from everyone burns your very souls. :wario:
Oh for god's sake.

I wouldn't be here right now if Saks just plain up said "Ridley's a boss" like he did Waluigi and Phosphora and all the victims of the Assist Trophy massacre.

Why wouldn't he say Ridley's name? Why the shadow? Why the ambiguity? Why the lack of any information about the Pyrosphere beyond looking pretty?

And don't feed me the "His model wasn't finished" theory, is it really that time-consuming to model Ridley when they already HAVE a model from Other M?
 
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My Ridley art project has finally started. I only went about ten seconds into it though, and I only have an hour per week to work on it, so yeah, don't expect anything art-related from me for a good while.

As for writing, well I honestly couldn't tell you. I tend to have random bursts of motivation to write, so who knows when more Ridley X Rosalina stuff will appear from yours truly.
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A little off-topic, but, I was watching a Other M playtrough(it's like watching a movie!), then:
>watching part 2
>"Samus won't use the bombs or missiles without Adam's permission"
Goddamn, already started bad!
>"The blue dots show where the items are"
Screw this s***
 

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A little off-topic, but, I was watching a Other M playtrough(it's like watching a movie!), then:
>watching part 2
>"Samus won't use the bombs or missiles without Adam's permission"
Goddamn, already started bad!
>"The blue dots show where the items are"
Screw this s***
My friend offered to burn me the game for free i said keep your discs dont waste em.
 
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My friend offered to burn me the game for free i said keep your discs dont waste em.
I like how they touch more on Samus past, but this thing should have been a movie, except the part of this f******* emotional Samus that can't take care of herself
 

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Heyyy did you say Rad?
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@ Snagrio Snagrio i will be outside the book store bro when you publish that story!
I laughed way harder at that than I should've, even though I've seen it before on the previous page.

That reminds me that I need to convert my pencil sketch of Ridley versus Bowser to a computer image.
 
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