Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

My guess of the tournament at E3 pyropshere will be a stage if ridley is revealed before then

And quoting the post abpve notice how thr yellow blobs switching sides involves no jerking yellow devil is not jerking unlike the shadow

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Ridley's shadow acts weird because the animations obviously aren't finished. His whole body stops completely at a certain point in the video with the exceptions of his wings, with his arms being stretched forward in a very weird manner. This is a very obvious sign of him being a work in progress, and being educated in 3D animation myself it was something I noticed the second I saw the shadow too. The wings are animated seperately from the main body, which is also common for winged creatures, Skyrim does it with its Dragons too iirc, and this is not something they'd do with a character as it'd lead to weird bugs and less control over the model, but it works much better for a scripted AI. It would also explain why he hasn't been shown since him being teased back in August, and also explains why he still wasn't shown full body despite being confirmed as a stage hazard.

You guys know how much I want Ridley, but it's a bit tiring to see the argument that his shadow acted weird when there's an explanation for it. Judging from the little we saw of him he'll also be more random than his Brawl counterpart, instead of flying idly in one spot and waiting to bust out an attack he'll likely fly around constantly, which is where splitting his model up in sections makes sense (in this case it seems to simply be split between the wings and the body.) The latter part is just speculation though.

The Ridley we saw isn't playable, that's one thing that's for certain.

 

[DraginHikari]

The Shadow's behaviour is very mysterious or odd....For a stage hazard, Ridley doesn't seem too aggressive....Not exactly what you expect from an AI...
...also I did notice that Ridley did what seems to be a backjump before the screen went black...or is he retreating after Pikachu attacked him offscreen?

I also mentioned that the Shadow's true size could be distorted by light and view angle...

Well that's pretty vague really as we don't know exactly what Ridley would do as a boss or how exactly he is suppose to behave at this point. It also could be they just had him fly over that way for dramatic effect during the direct and he could actually do more during his appearance. It could be the AI for the boss is incomplete or wasn't ready to be shown. Or it could even be that he's doing something differently then we'd expect. All if it is pretty much up in the air until we have a confimration one way or the other.

To be honest there is something that has been bothering me about the arugment as well. People mention how Ridley wasn't addressed by name but at the same time it's not like he mentioned any other bosses besides the Yellow Devil. I could understand if they mentioned a couple of other bosses then showed Ridley and not mentioned him. In this case though they only showed the yellow devil and then used Ridley shadowy apperance as a reference point for other bosses. I mean I'm aware of Sakurai dropping hints and trolls here and there but this seems a little strange even for Sakurai.

I understand that Ridley as a boss doesn't necessarily discount him due to the whole Toon Link situation but I'm pretty sure the boss of Pyrosphere is going to happen either way.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Ridley's shadow acts weird because the animations obviously aren't finished. His whole body stops completely at a certain point in the video with the exceptions of his wings, with his arms being stretched forward in a very weird manner. This is a very obvious sign of him being a work in progress, and being educated in 3D animation myself it was something I noticed the second I saw the shadow too. The wings are animated seperately from the main body, which is also common for winged creatures, Skyrim does it with its Dragons too iirc, and this is not something they'd do with a character as it'd lead to weird bugs and less control over the model, but it works much better for a scripted AI. It would also explain why he hasn't been shown since him being teased back in August, and also explains why he still wasn't shown full body despite being confirmed as a stage hazard.

You guys know how much I want Ridley, but it's a bit tiring to see the argument that his shadow acted weird when there's an explanation for it. Judging from the little we saw of him he'll also be more random than his Brawl counterpart, instead of flying idly in one spot and waiting to bust out an attack he'll likely fly around constantly, which is where splitting his model up in sections makes sense (in this case it seems to simply be split between the wings and the body.) The latter part is just speculation though.

The Ridley we saw isn't playable, that's one thing that's for certain.

Even if his wings are separate and he is a boss, a lot of clipping will occur just like if it would be on a playable character. Having them animate and just having them like in brawl would be easier and would require less time to work on. About the fact that he is unfinished i have no doubts. And i can make a lot of animations with everything other than wings stopping before animation ends if you want.

 

[ultimatekoopa]

Why would Sakurai show the pyrosphere without the main attraction finished? And I don't understand how they would have not finished ridley's model yet, the stage was shown 8 months ago and it had been used in all newcomers trailers and in a lot of PoD, not even sherlock holmes would be able to solve this whole mystery of the pyrosphere

 

[DraginHikari]

Why would Sakurai show the pyrosphere without the main attraction finished? And I don't understand how they would have not finished ridley's model yet, the stage was shown 8 months ago and it had been used in all newcomers trailers and in a lot of PoD, not even sherlock holmes would be able to solve this whole mystery of the pyrosphere

This is actually pretty simple, it's been shown that on the Megaman stage the yellow devil is not always presense on the stage. They didn't need the boss ready to show the basics of the stage off in trailers and other pictures.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Even if his wings are separate and he is a boss, a lot of clipping will occur just like if it would be on a playable character. Having them animate and just having them like in brawl would be easier and would require less time to work on. About the fact that he is unfinished i have no doubts. And i can make a lot of animations with everything other than wings stopping before animation ends if you want.

With the wings being animated seperately they only need to make one or two routines of flapping, unlike if they animated the wings uniquely for each animation. It saves a ton of work and is a lot easier, and is exactly why the technique is so popular in the industry, it's literally a money saver, especially if Ridley is a boss who's constantly in motion.

Clipping will occur regardless, that's simply the nature of Smash Bros. It's no different from Zelda's dress or Dedede's coat clipping. Clipping isn't really a problem though, it's not something people notice very often in motion.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

With the wings being animated seperately they only need to make one or two routines of flapping, unlike if they animated the wings uniquely for each animation. It saves a ton of work and is a lot easier, and is exactly why the technique is so popular in the industry, it's literally a money saver, especially if Ridley is a boss who's constantly in motion.

Clipping will occur regardless, that's simply the nature of Smash Bros. It's no different from Zelda's dress or Dedede's coat clipping. Clipping isn't really a problem though, it's not something people notice very often in motion.

Since such way of animating wings is "automatic" and uncontrollable, it will occur too many times to not notice it. Like each 3rd flap. Maybe not at this rate, but still very often. Its like "sprite flickering", but more frustrating and in 3d in my opinion. Manualy animating them would look a lot better.

 

[AndreaAC]

*snickers*

So, how about either an infant miniaturized Ridley or Little Birdie (don't really care which) and Baby Rosalina? Since the latter's a thing now too...

DAMN, the request was TOO ADORABLE.....!

Quick sketch as always....

xD I did not draw Little Birdie because that thing I would only eat it with violence like if I was eating a KFC....

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Would stop guys theres no way to conclude ridley we saw is a hazard or not

And for a counter arguement of your theory on jerking because not finished

Tell that to all playable characters jerking alot and if ridley is incomplete can you explain his tail tip showing it looks finished to me due too close up it looks like it is not finished but in reality i could be

No theres no way to conclude either if ridley is finished or not

 

[Staarih]

If Ridley is to be a playable character, you'd think his model would be finished by now as he would have to appear on the 3DS too which comes out pretty soon. So to see people think this "shadow" isn't finished yet (I wouldn't know as I don't have that sort of technical knowledge) would imply that this particular shadow is indeed of a stage hazard instead of playable character. But that still wouldn't rule out anything, I guess.

 

[DraginHikari]

Whether the model is finished or not is not really the point. Much of the argument with Ridley at this point is a debate over evidence that was presented in the direct with the various theories with people trying to to shift the arguement to one point or another. The only reason the unfinished argument even comes up is because it's a counterargument to the point of the shadow not behaving as they would expect a stage hazard to do leading to the idea that he's playable which doesn't really work for the same reason your saying here in regards to him being a hazard.

 

[Deleted member]

This is actually pretty simple, it's been shown that on the Megaman stage the yellow devil is not always presense on the stage. They didn't need the boss ready to show the basics of the stage off in trailers and other pictures.

Yellow Devil appeared in the first trailer, on a PotD some weeks later, another pic later on and finally on the Direct, they had the Yellow Devil ready since they showed the stage, there is a lot of the Pyrosphere to not have one full-body Ridley picture if he is a Boss

 

[The King of Skulls]

Would stop guys theres no way to conclude ridley we saw is a hazard or not

And for a counter arguement of your theory on jerking because not finished

Tell that to all playable characters jerking alot and if ridley is incomplete can you explain his tail tip showing it looks finished to me due too close up it looks like it is not finished but in reality i could be

No theres no way to conclude either if ridley is finished or not

Agreed. There's no definitive proof of Ridley's fate until Sakurai posts and image or video of Ridley saying "Ridley is a stage boss, thus is not playable."

I hope it doesn't come to that, but it appears to be the case.

 

[DraginHikari]

Yellow Devil appeared in the first trailer, on a PotD some weeks later, another pic later on and finally on the Direct, they had the Yellow Devil ready since they showed the stage, there is a lot of the Pyrosphere to not have one full-body Ridley picture if he is a Boss

And? It's not like they've gone out of their way to show other bosses to a great extent. The Yellow Devil was introduced as part of Mega Mans reveal trailer and became what they emptheized for this stage boss concept. Just because we hold Ridley to a certain level of importance doesn't mean the development team does the same nor does it shift the argument in anyway to make him more likely to be playable simply because of that.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Oops. I only did it with the dress...that is what Oasis wanted...

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Here it is....Meta Ridley in a PRETTY dress.....

Ridley: I lost a bet to your mother. Now I have to endure a full day as a girl.
Luma: Hey, it's not all bad.
Ridley: Don't get me started, if you know what's good for you!
Luma: Okay, I'll shut up...

 

[Alex Night]

Good lord, I step away for a week and this thread keeps exploding for Ridley support. You know, I actually tried out Project M Unbound which has Ridley playble. (Not officially endorsed by the PMBR of course.)

....Yeah, I really, really don't want Ridley playable in any Smash Bros. game and playing that iteration of Ridley is not helping him out. xD He just doesn't really fit in a Smash Bros. Environment even though he is legit scary as all hell. I wished Sakurai didn't tiptoe around the whole Ridley thing and just either confirm or deconfirm Ridley. He is just causing so much in-fighting and causing so much false hope for either side.

 

[The King of Skulls]

Good lord, I step away for a week and this thread keeps exploding for Ridley support. You know, I actually tried out Project M Unbound which has Ridley playble. (Not officially endorsed by the PMBR of course.)

....Yeah, I really, really don't want Ridley playable in any Smash Bros. game and playing that iteration of Ridley is not helping him out. xD He just doesn't really fit in a Smash Bros. Environment even though he is legit scary as all hell. I wished Sakurai didn't tiptoe around the whole Ridley thing and just either confirm or deconfirm Ridley. He is just causing so much in-fighting and causing so much false hope for either side.

Sakurai's got us on the hook just like a worm, and it gives him joy to watch us squirm.

I think that if Nintendo were to actually make playable Ridley, it would work a million times better than any mod could capture.

 

[DraginHikari]

Well yeah that's pretty likely, having the help of multiple designers, programers, QA staff, and other staff members always help that kind of thing.

Not that the independent development can't do some amazing things it still requires multiple people generally to do that stuff well.

 

[Kind Dedede]

Attempting to create a character complete from scratch as far as being an independent character is always going to come off rough. I'll give them props for trying to make things work but I'll agree after watching his movements, it would better off left with a more trained staff and team to tackle it. Not saying what they've done isn't great because it does work. Just to have that little finesse has to unfortunately have to come from somebody who looks down upon the Metroid series.

 

[Alex Night]

Sakurai's got us on the hook just like a worm, and it gives him joy to watch us squirm.

I think that if Nintendo were to actually make playable Ridley, it would work a million times better than any mod could capture.

You sure about that? Because all I can see Ridley doing is being slow and not to mention that he would probably have to be hovering slightly off the ground in his idle animation like in his games. Ridley just... I can't describe why he doesn't fit in a Smash game as a playable character only that he doesn't. Besides, I already have Bowser and Charizard to sate my reptilian bloodlust.

 

[GunGunW]

I kinda get the feeling that if Ridley is a playable character, he'd be one of the last characters to unlock.

 

[Dark Phazon]

You sure about that? Because all I can see Ridley doing is being slow and not to mention that he would probably have to be hovering slightly off the ground in his idle animation like in his games. Ridley just... I can't describe why he doesn't fit in a Smash game as a playable character only that he doesn't. Besides, I already have Bowser and Charizard to sate my reptilian bloodlust.

Its completely fine if you cant envision it just like its completely fine for the people that can.

I was abit like you before i joined the ranks of a space pirate.

If someone told me Ganondorf would play like Captain Falcon pre melee i would be like

WaT?
unless Ridley was intentionally made a clone of Charizard and say a mix of Bowser which is just bad....

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Good lord, I step away for a week and this thread keeps exploding for Ridley support. You know, I actually tried out Project M Unbound which has Ridley playble. (Not officially endorsed by the PMBR of course.)

....Yeah, I really, really don't want Ridley playable in any Smash Bros. game and playing that iteration of Ridley is not helping him out. xD

That is because it is quite literally a costume for Charizard. Of course, it'll look dumb.

 

[Smash G]

Would stop guys theres no way to conclude ridley we saw is a hazard or not

Yes there is. Was it not stated plainly enough when Sakurai talked about bosses, talked about bosses behing hazards then said other bosses will appear while Ridley's shadow was shown?


You people are so heavily in denial. I hope the "I told you so!" from everyone burns your very souls.

 

[Zzuxon]

Yes there is. Was it not stated plainly enough when Sakurai talked about bosses, talked about bosses behing hazards then said other bosses will appear while Ridley's shadow was shown?


You people are so heavily in denial. I hope the "I told you so!" from everyone burns your very souls.

*Pokemon wild battle theme starts playing*
A wild douchebag appears!

Sakurai straight up said many many other characters were deconfirmed in the direct, but we only saw a shadow for Ridley. Why?

 

[Smash G]

*Pokemon wild battle theme starts playing*
A wild douchebag appears!

Sakurai straight up said many many other characters were deconfirmed in the direct, but we only saw a shadow for Ridley. Why?

Because he didn't want to show it yet. We've seen one boss in action. Maybe he just wants the rest of the bosses to be more of a surprise.
There are literally many other reasons he could have chosen to just show the shadow other than "he's playable!". And unlike the "he's playable!" reason most don't contradict the video.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Meh......just leave him its his opnion nothing more or less dont fuel the fire.

 

[Zzuxon]

Because he didn't want to show it yet. We've seen one boss in action. Maybe he just wants the rest of the bosses to be more of a surprise.
There are literally many other reasons he could have chosen to just show the shadow other than "he's playable!". And unlike the "he's playable!" reason most don't contradict the video.

So let me get this straight, you think that the reason he showed boss ridley is because he didn't want to show boss ridley?
The only other reason I can think of to show the shadow is emotional sadism.

 

[Alex Night]

Its completely fine if you cant envision it just like its completely fine for the people that can.

I was abit like you before i joined the ranks of a space pirate.

If someone told me Ganondorf would play like Captain Falcon pre melee i would be like

WaT?
unless Ridley was intentionally made a clone of Charizard and say a mix of Bowser which is just bad....

If somebody told me that pre-Melee, then I would have believed it given Ganondorf has immense power in his fists. Breaks away piece of his platform with a single punch in OoT. Of course, that sounded likely for Ganondorf.

Honestly, who needs a disheveled lizard when I got a fire dragon to ride into battle or a fire breathing turtle chosen as one of the Star Children?... Yeah, go figure that Bowser is supposed to be a good guy.

 

[PlasticBag]

Let's not forget Mr. Sakurai showed Ridley in "OTHER BOSS APPEARANCES" just as the same time as The Yellow Devil, who is also a Boss.

Coincidence?

 

[Dark Phazon]

If somebody told me that pre-Melee, then I would have believed it given Ganondorf has immense power in his fists. Breaks away piece of his platform with a single punch in OoT. Of course, that sounded likely for Ganondorf.

Honestly, who needs a disheveled lizard when I got a fire dragon to ride into battle or a fire breathing turtle chosen as one of the Star Children?... Yeah, go figure that Bowser is supposed to be a good guy.

Thats fine everyone has there own tastes
Bowser is my default main in every mario game possible by the way and would have played as charizard alot more if it wasent for PKMN Trainer.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Yes there is. Was it not stated plainly enough when Sakurai talked about bosses, talked about bosses behing hazards then said other bosses will appear while Ridley's shadow was shown?


You people are so heavily in denial. I hope the "I told you so!" from everyone burns your very souls.

Again not enough he said

Boss characters make other appearances as well...not just this one

Boss characters why would he refer to it like that and as i recall bowser is a boss character and so is king dedede

So i don't care what you all say its impossible to conclude hes a boss again or playable

 

[PlasticBag]

Again not enough he said

Boss characters make other appearances as well...not just this one

Boss characters why would he refer to it like that and as i recall bowser is a boss character and so is king dedede

So i don't care what you all say its impossible to conclude hes a boss again or playable

Except Bowser & King Dedede were actually playable. lol

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Except Bowser & King Dedede were actually playable. lol

Ooh you mean when bowser is a boss in melee and in subspace emissary

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Because he didn't want to show it yet. We've seen one boss in action. Maybe he just wants the rest of the bosses to be more of a surprise.
There are literally many other reasons he could have chosen to just show the shadow other than "he's playable!". And unlike the "he's playable!" reason most don't contradict the video.

A WILD INCOMPETENT FOOL HAVE AP- ok, i will try to me more calm this time.
Why not just deconfirm him? We already got Waluigi and Skull Kid and Ashley and Midna and Dark Samus an- you`ve got me...we got few highly (but not as highly as ridley) requested characters being deconfirmed without anything that would make us doubt it. He isn`t much of a surprise if he is already shown and everyone could just easily imagine what kind of thing he will do without having to worry about balance, how good he will be, no, it would be just yet another boring boss battle when you just have to use most damaging attacks on the same target that barely moves. This would be a bad idea since its a missed opportunity. And THEN there is results of out analyzes that show few things. You did not bringed anything useful to us. After 3 posts without anything that we would at least think about, you will be promptly shot...oh, right, its (unfortunately) impossible. Now i will go and break something.
Oh, and just TRUST ME, my rage if he is a boss will exteed the VOID itself and Ridley`s own hatred of inferiour specieses and Samus. But i will not show it somehow other than writing here, beating opponents in MUGEN as Ridley and finish each one off with most cruel ways and work on Ridley PSA if Angelglory will allow me to work with him. And of course i will drool out of pure hatred too...oh wait, im already doing that after the sch- ok, thats not something you would like to read about...so...stop reading...still reading?!

Except Bowser & King Dedede were actually playable. lol

NOT BEFORE MEHLEH/BURAWUL!

 

[Kind Dedede]

Let's not forget Mr. Sakurai showed Ridley in "OTHER BOSS APPEARANCES" just as the same time as The Yellow Devil, who is also a Boss.

Coincidence?

I would have gone the route of saying "the shadow was a way of de-confirming Ridley playable" while still keeping him a mystery just like the other bosses

 

[The King of Skulls]

You sure about that? Because all I can see Ridley doing is being slow and not to mention that he would probably have to be hovering slightly off the ground in his idle animation like in his games. Ridley just... I can't describe why he doesn't fit in a Smash game as a playable character only that he doesn't. Besides, I already have Bowser and Charizard to sate my reptilian bloodlust.

If Sakurai willed it, Ridley could be a unique character. I have 100% faith in that.

Yes there is. Was it not stated plainly enough when Sakurai talked about bosses, talked about bosses behing hazards then said other bosses will appear while Ridley's shadow was shown?


You people are so heavily in denial. I hope the "I told you so!" from everyone burns your very souls.

I'd prefer to be "optimistic about his chances" rather than in denial. It's not a cardinal sin to want a character in, is it?

 

[BaganSmashBros]

If Sakurai willed it, Ridley could be a unique character. I have 100% faith in that.
I'd prefer to be "optimistic about his chances" rather than in denial. It's not a cardinal sin to want a character in, is it?

Unless he would be added in Melee...oh wait, there was no Charizard...
Its not unless you want someone like Goku, Master Chief or T- no, i won`t continue.

Oh, and i think Sakurai succeded in his plan to raise the discussion of Ridley`s chances (if it was his plan of course)...so...we are his puppets and EVERYTHING GOES JUST AS I WE HE PLANNED?

 

[PlasticBag]

Ooh you mean when bowser is a boss in melee and in subspace emissary

Either you proved my point already, or you weren't thinking straightly.
Your previous post: http://i.imgur.com/PpPkERf.png

Bowser was never a boss in Melee, however for Giga Bowser, that's a different story.

Name one point in the Subspace Emissary where Bowser was a Boss.

But you know who WAS a boss in the Subspace Emissary? Ridley, twice.