Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Dalek_Kolt]

Honestly, this is what happens when games with stories happen. Over time and between systems and game styles, things change. I mean look at Ocarina of Time Ganondorf and Twilight Princess Ganondorf. Literally the same person. But their designs obviously aren't identical. Hell, even Wind Waker Ganondorf is the same person. But they all look noticeably different because they're in different games with different styles, and the context is different as well.

I don't know why Ridley has to literally look 100% identical down to every detail in every game. Should we have had NES sprite Ridley in every game just for the sake of consistency?

So...Is Other M Ridley's appearance due to bad cloning or a graphical overhaul?

Both are valid, but I lean toward the latter because these scenes look a little different.

Samus's suit is no longer purple and the Metroid Hatchling becomes a regular-sized Metroid (relative to Super) between versions.

 

[AndreaAC]

Of course Ridley looks better anorexic. It makes me question how his head stays attacked and how he manages to swallow anything bigger than a pea, which makes it good. On an unrelated note, the Ridley on the top right looks like the Blue Eyes White Dragon.

xD yeah...that freaking phazon armorskin make him look like one.....

 

[The King of Skulls]

xD yeah...that freaking phazon armorskin make him look like one.....

When you look like the non-effect monster with the highest base attk, it's a pretty good day. God, the Blue-Eyes gives me such nostalgia...

 

[majora_787]

I'll be honest, I'm optimistic for Ridley, but no matter what I don't really know why people try to hold out hope for some kind of bizarre inconsistency where Sakurai deliberately makes Ridley look like he does not fit in with Samus, the Pyrosphere, or Metroid in this Smash Bros. at all. I also don't really know why that's something people hope for, as opposed to Sakurai just doing the Other M design correctly and making it actually look nice.

 

[AndreaAC]

When you look like the non-effect monster with the highest base attk, it's a pretty good day. God, the Blue-Eyes gives me such nostalgia...

Well I never played the Yu gi oh card game.....but my brother give me some original cards a long time ago....and I sold them for a really cheap prize....and one of them was the Blue Eyes Dragon....

 

[The King of Skulls]

I'll be honest, I'm optimistic for Ridley, but no matter what I don't really know why people try to hold out hope for some kind of bizarre inconsistency where Sakurai deliberately makes Ridley look like he does not fit in with Samus, the Pyrosphere, or Metroid in this Smash Bros. at all. I also don't really know why that's something people hope for, as opposed to Sakurai just doing the Other M design correctly and making it actually look nice.

Well, I agree that Ridley's going to pretty much have his Other M design, but I'm down for a bit of polish. Hopefully they tune down the colors just a bit, as they hurt my eyes to look at.

Well I never played the Yu gi oh card game.....but my brother give me some original cards a long time ago....and I sold them for a really cheap prize....and one of them was the Blue Eyes Dragon....

I loved Yugioh, but one of my main problems with it was finding someone to play with, as most of the people at my school were bloody assholes about it, and anyone I tried to teach just got lost in the rules. So sad.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I may regret doing this but It's like 3 AM for me and my morning self will have to deal with whatever happens

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[AndreaAC]

I may regret doing this but It's like 3 AM for me and my morning self will have to deal with whatever happens

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[ultimatekoopa]

Let's just hope Other M does not get a sequel....and not consider it canon....well, at least i'm not going to consider it part of the timeline....

Tecnically, Fusion was his sequel

 

[AndreaAC]

Tecnically, Fusion was his sequel

Oh yeah....I forgot....well, then i do not want a game that looks like Other M again...after Fusion....

 

[Groose]

It's been a while since we actually talked about how Ridley should play, eh? How would you like him to stack up with regards to power and weight? Personally, I think he should be the game's heaviest character, but I guess it would all be derived from the exact size they make him.

I'd actually say his standard and special attacks should be moderately-poweful at best. I think it would be pretty interesting if he were a grab-based character with an incredibly damaging pummel and some really long-distance throws. It would be especially great if he had access to aerial grabs.

 

[ultimatekoopa]

Oh yeah....I forgot....well, then i do not want a game that looks like Other M again...after Fusion....

I think the sense move should stay

 

[andimidna]

New goal in life: Be here on the 600th page.

I can't wait. Yus.

 

[AndreaAC]

I think the sense move should stay

Yeah, it could be good that the Sensemove stayed.....but the rest of it, please that all of it goes FAR FAR AWAY....specially Roidley...

 

[The King of Skulls]

It's been a while since we actually talked about how Ridley should play, eh? How would you like him to stack up with regards to power and weight? Personally, I think he should be the game's heaviest character, but I guess it would all be derived from the exact size they make him.

I'd actually say his standard and special attacks should be moderately-poweful at best. I think it would be pretty interesting if he were a grab-based character with an incredibly damaging pummel and some really long-distance throws. It would be especially great if he had access to aerial grabs.

I don't think he should be the heaviest, as he's kind of scrawny. However, in terms of size, he should be largest.

As for gameplay, he should focus in fast aerial attacks and peppering foes with fire before going in for a powerful smash for the kill.

He should be fast in the air, but slow on the ground. He'd be hard to knock out, but easy to combo.

 

[SchAlternate]

Oh yeah....I forgot....well, then i do not want a game that looks like Other M again...after Fusion....

inb4 next game is done like Other M and takes place between Other M and Fusion.

 

[Zzuxon]

I think Ridley's up throw should be similar to fox's, throws the foe upwards and shoots a couple of fire balls at them.

 

[AndreaAC]

inb4 next game is done like Other M and takes place between Other M and Fusion.

Well I only hope it does not happen in any way.....I wouldn't buy it anyway....or if I had it, i would cut the disc in a half to later make it burn and let the Devil's winds get it away from me......

Yeah...it would be like this...

 

[CamZilla94]

I think Ridley's up throw should be similar to fox's, throws the foe upwards and shoots a couple of fire balls at them.

Or like Mewtwo's where he shoots a couple of Shadow balls at them.

 

[Anomilus]

I think Ridley's up throw should be similar to fox's, throws the foe upwards and shoots a couple of fire balls at them.

That's what I was drawing in Flipnote at some point. But got lazy on it and stopped. I could post the unfinished animation.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Of course Ridley looks better anorexic. It makes me question how his head stays attached and how he manages to swallow anything bigger than a pea, which makes it good. On an unrelated note, the Ridley on the top right looks like the Blue Eyes White Dragon.

I like to think it's something similar to how snakes swallow eggs and stuff.

 

[Trigger123]

If ridley ends up I'm, does that hurt k rools chance? I feel it's only right to add ridley and k rool, if link and mario get their baddies so should samus and donkey

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

If ridley ends up I'm, does that hurt k rools chance? I feel it's only right to add ridley and k rool, if link and mario get their baddies so should samus and donkey

I see no reason why it would. They're two different franchises in need of more reps, and we could always use more baddies.

 

[Alex Night]

...Okay, I'm done hearing this from people.

You. Right Now.

Tell me WHY I or anybody else shouldn't be "setting ourselves up" for disappointment. Why do you care.

All of you that say stuff like this. Why. Do. You. CARE?

Why? You know what, I don't even know why. Maybe it's because of how delusional the idea of how people can even twist something like what we saw at the Smash Bros. Direct into saying, "Hey, that movement looks inconsistent as a boss character based on the shadow." It's a goddamn shadow, people. Of course your shadow is gonna look a bit inconsistent with your actual body proportions. It's been heavily implied that Ridley is going to be a stage boss for Pyrosphere since the PoTD and we even saw a flicker of his disc-like tail in the Direct. All signs were pointing directly to that very thing. It's not vague. It's just that Sakurai isn't ripping the damn bandage off by flat-out not showing Ridley as a boss and explaining it, so he's leaving people like you up in the air that, "Hey, he wasn't shown exactly! That means he still has a chance!" If that were the case, then Gardevoir would still have a chance because we haven't seen any gameplay footage of her too... Oh wait, except there was Gameplay footage of Ridley in the Pyrosphere where all signs pointed to Ridley because of the PoTD saying that an enemy from Samus' past would join the fight on the Pyrosphere. Again, not vague since we all know that Ridley fought Samus there in Other M.

So why do I care? I don't know, maybe it's because I would hate others to feel the same thing I felt when Ashley was not going to be playable when she could have had a lot of potential and was important to the Warioware series as well as bringing more females into the cast. But you know what? %$#@ it. I'll just wait until E3 when hopefully, Sakurai finally decides to rip the bandage off this time and show Ridley as a boss. Even then I doubt people would still believe he is playable because his movement looks "inconsistent" for a boss character.

Ughhh, good God I went on for a long time. I'm sorry everybody. I just had to let it out because of that right there. I'll just show myself to the imaginary door now... Why doesn't this place have a JonTron emote yet?.. Eecch...

 

[majora_787]

I think Ridley, Mewtwo, and K. Rool are all likely for reasons really independent from one another and I seriously doubt Sakurai would go, "We have a strict quota for characters people want. We put Ridley in, so we actually now have to strive to make fans upset to balance it out."

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Why? You know what, I don't even know why. Maybe it's because of how delusional the idea of how people can even twist something like what we saw at the Smash Bros. Direct into saying, "Hey, that movement looks inconsistent as a boss character based on the shadow." It's a goddamn shadow, people. Of course your shadow is gonna look a bit inconsistent with your actual body proportions. It's been heavily implied that Ridley is going to be a stage boss for Pyrosphere since the PoTD and we even saw a flicker of his disc-like tail in the Direct. All signs were pointing directly to that very thing. It's not vague. It's just that Sakurai isn't ripping the damn bandage off by flat-out not showing Ridley as a boss and explaining it, so he's leaving people like you up in the air that, "Hey, he wasn't shown exactly! That means he still has a chance!" If that were the case, then Gardevoir would still have a chance because we haven't seen any gameplay footage of her too... Oh wait, except there was Gameplay footage of Ridley in the Pyrosphere where all signs pointed to Ridley because of the PoTD saying that an enemy from Samus' past would join the fight on the Pyrosphere. Again, not vague since we all know that Ridley fought Samus there in Other M.

So why do I care? I don't know, maybe it's because I would hate others to feel the same thing I felt when Ashley was not going to be playable when she could have had a lot of potential and was important to the Warioware series as well as bringing more females into the cast. But you know what? %$#@ it. I'll just wait until E3 when hopefully, Sakurai finally decides to rip the bandage off this time and show Ridley as a boss. Even then I doubt people would still believe he is playable because his movement looks "inconsistent" for a boss character.

Ughhh, good God I went on for a long time. I'm sorry everybody. I just had to let it out because of that right there. I'll just show myself to the imaginary door now... Why doesn't this place have a JonTron emote yet?.. Eecch...

Gardevoir...Gardevoir doesn't have a chance?
Wait, Gardevoir was a humanoid pokemon from Gen. III without a movie under its belt. Ridley is the main antagonist of Metroid.

I mean, its cool if you want her playable, but the comparison is unfair.

Anyhow, quickie questions: Why wouldn't Saks "rip the damn bandage"? Why won't Sakurai say Ridley's name? Why tease us with a shadow? Why devote multiple pics of the day to talking about why size doesn't matter?

 

[AndreaAC]

Gardevoir...Gardevoir doesn't have a chance?
Wait, Gardevoir was a humanoid pokemon from Gen. III without a movie under its belt. Ridley is the main antagonist of Metroid.

I mean, its cool if you want her playable, but the comparison is unfair.

Anyhow, quickie questions: Why wouldn't Saks "rip the damn bandage"? Why won't Sakurai say Ridley's name? Why tease us with a shadow? Why devote multiple pics of the day to talking about why size doesn't matter?

He wants to make us suffer......or go insane...I don't now

 

[SchAlternate]

It's been heavily implied that Ridley is going to be a stage boss for Pyrosphere since the PoTD and we even saw a flicker of his disc-like tail in the Direct. All signs were pointing directly to that very thing. It's not vague. It's just that Sakurai isn't ripping the damn bandage off by flat-out not showing Ridley as a boss and explaining it, so he's leaving people like you up in the air that, "Hey, he wasn't shown exactly! That means he still has a chance!" If that were the case, then Gardevoir would still have a chance because we haven't seen any gameplay footage of her too... Oh wait, except there was Gameplay footage of Ridley in the Pyrosphere where all signs pointed to Ridley because of the PoTD saying that an enemy from Samus' past would join the fight on the Pyrosphere. Again, not vague since we all know that Ridley fought Samus there in Other M.

I think that's the reason why some of us still remain hopeful: Sakurai isn't ripping the bandage off when it comes to Ridley. Not only is this inconsistent, given Sakurai's way of deconfirming characters (no bull and straight to the point), but it's also not a good marketing tactic. Why would you hype something that would certainly disappoint many?

I seriously doubt Sakurai would be hyping Ridley so much if he's indeed a stage hazard. It just seems kind of mean to Ridley fans, if anything else.


As for your point with Gardevoir, there's a heavy flaw in that: she's a minor character in the Pokemon franchise, and Ridley is the second most important character in Metroid, so comparing the two wouldn't take you anywhere.

 

[Koopaul]

Sakurai is clearly hyping Ridley. Why do that if the payoff is so weak? We'll have to see.

Also anyone think Sakurai would incorperate the three growth stages into the character? This has probably been discussed a bunch before I'm sure. But I've been thinking about how Sakurai has been making all the newcomers with crazy gimmicks, so maybe this one would be Ridley's.

He'd start out as the small Little Birdy who is very weak and has to hit and run to survive.
Then (about 50 seconds) he'd transform into the Mysterious Creature, who's like a regular fighter.
Finally (50 more seconds) he'd transform into his fully grown form who's super powerful.

He's a fighter who starts out weak but grows bigger and stronger overtime.

 

[AndreaAC]

I said this out of anger when I was talking with a friend of mine...

"I mean how Ridley could not be playable now? he had appeared in every smash bros in one way or another, had appeared in every metroid game except Metroid II, Hunters and Echoes, appeared in Nintendo land and has nearly 30 years existing. With little Mac Sakurai said "He has been a fan favorite for 25 years", Ridley isn't a fan favorite too? And little Mac has been in only 3 games and a fat cameo.... and Greninja has existed for only 2 year or whatever and he gets to be in....What the hell is wrong with Sakurai?"

"..."

I was like that when I was writing it...*sigh* I really don't understand that man.....

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Of course Ridley looks better anorexic. It makes me question how his head stays attached and how he manages to swallow anything bigger than a pea, which makes it good. On an unrelated note, the Ridley on the top right looks like the Blue Eyes White Dragon.

In the same way flamingos/those pink birds has their heads attached. How he swallows? Maybe his neck is hollow or he is kinda like snake (i don`t think he just swallows things - that would make his teeth pointless) at least in this part. On the other hand, we have life-sucking jellyfishes and suit with weapons that can ignore laws of the universe.

Yeah, it could be good that the Sensemove stayed.....but the rest of it, please that all of it goes FAR FAR AWAY....specially Roidley...

What about diffusion beam? Accel Charges? Lethal Strikes and Overblasts? Vorash-fishing? Roidley`s attacks? This MUST return...or at least should...

It's been a while since we actually talked about how Ridley should play, eh? How would you like him to stack up with regards to power and weight? Personally, I think he should be the game's heaviest character, but I guess it would all be derived from the exact size they make him.

I'd actually say his standard and special attacks should be moderately-poweful at best. I think it would be pretty interesting if he were a grab-based character with an incredibly damaging pummel and some really long-distance throws. It would be especially great if he had access to aerial grabs.

Moderate power and high speed in the air, strong but slow and sluggish on the ground, mostly focused on melee attacks with long-distance throws and just long range because of his tail.

Of course Ridley looks better anorexic. It makes me question how his head stays attached and how he manages to swallow anything bigger than a pea, which makes it good. On an unrelated note, the Ridley on the top right looks like the Blue Eyes White Dragon.

In the same way flamingos/those pink birds has their heads attached. How he swallows? Maybe his neck is hollow or he is kinda like snake (i don`t think he just swallows things - that would make his teeth pointless) at least in this part. On the other hand, we have life-sucking jellyfishes and suit with weapons that can ignore laws of the universe.

Yeah, it could be good that the Sensemove stayed.....but the rest of it, please that all of it goes FAR FAR AWAY....specially Roidley...

What about diffusion beam? Accel Charges? Lethal Strikes and Overblasts? Vorash-fishing? Roidley`s attacks? This MUST return...or at least should...

It's been a while since we actually talked about how Ridley should play, eh? How would you like him to stack up with regards to power and weight? Personally, I think he should be the game's heaviest character, but I guess it would all be derived from the exact size they make him.

I'd actually say his standard and special attacks should be moderately-poweful at best. I think it would be pretty interesting if he were a grab-based character with an incredibly damaging pummel and some really long-distance throws. It would be especially great if he had access to aerial grabs.

Moderate power and high speed in the air, strong but slow and sluggish on the ground, mostly focused on melee attacks with long-distance throws

Sakurai is clearly hyping Ridley. Why do that if the payoff is so weak? We'll have to see.

Also anyone think Sakurai would incorperate the three growth stages into the character? This has probably been discussed a bunch before I'm sure. But I've been thinking about how Sakurai has been making all the newcomers with crazy gimmicks, so maybe this one would be Ridley's.

He'd start out as the small Little Birdy who is very weak and has to hit and run to survive.
Then (about 50 seconds) he'd transform into the Mysterious Creature, who's like a regular fighter.
Finally (50 more seconds) he'd transform into his fully grown form who's super powerful.

He's a fighter who starts out weak but grows bigger and stronger overtime.

This is something that makes no sense since later form would be overpowered then and its not interesing to play as character that can barely attack and survive for more than 10 seconds without having to run. This growth stages should not appear in any way other than either assist trophies or just trophies. This gimmick doesn`t sounds good and fun.

 

[SchAlternate]

Also anyone think Sakurai would incorperate the three growth stages into the character? This has probably been discussed a bunch before I'm sure. But I've been thinking about how Sakurai has been making all the newcomers with crazy gimmicks, so maybe this one would be Ridley's.

He'd start out as the small Little Birdy who is very weak and has to hit and run to survive.
Then (about 50 seconds) he'd transform into the Mysterious Creature, who's like a regular fighter.
Finally (50 more seconds) he'd transform into his fully grown form who's super powerful.

He's a fighter who starts out weak but grows bigger and stronger overtime.

I really don't like the sound of that, really. It seems far too complicated and it doesn't really fit Ridley's character.

I think his gimmick would be the ability to maintain himself in the air infinitely with his up special move and have him fly around within a certain radius. Upon existing that radius, he stops flying and enters helpless mode. If he is hit, he merely starts falling but can activate the move again.

idk

 

[AndreaAC]

What about diffusion beam? Accel Charges? Lethal Strikes and Overblasts? Vorash-fishing? Roidley`s attacks? This MUST return...or at least should....

OK, OK....I do not care about the gameplay....so let the story, concept, Samus' "personality", Roidley and his evolution sh*t get lost in the far reaches of space....good thing that Adam is already dead....

 

[BaganSmashBros]

OK, OK....I do not care about the gameplay....so let the story, concept, Samus' "personality", Roidley and his evolution sh*t get lost in the far reaches of space....good thing that Adam is already dead....

Then nothing should return other than Nightmare from this game and go back to TEH VOID instead. Gameplay and graphics is the only things that helps this game, but if lack of music and story is ignored, then its a good game and a lot better than Metroid 2. Even WITH the "story", this game is a lot better than games like Sonic `06, Mario is Missing and Shadow the Hedgehog.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Nightmare and Phantoon were the best parts of that game.

 

[AndreaAC]

Then nothing should return other than Nightmare from this game and go back to TEH VOID instead. Gameplay and graphics is the only things that helps this game, but if lack of music and story is ignored, then its a good game and a lot better than Metroid 2. Even WITH the "story", this game is a lot better than games like Sonic `06, Mario is Missing and Shadow the Hedgehog.

I think is not kind of fair that you compare a game that came out on the 90's to a game that was realesed in 2010....but oh well...and those other games, i haven't played them, I have only seen a bit of Sonic 06...but I only end up liking Silver and Blaze....

 

[SchAlternate]

Then nothing should return other than Nightmare from this game and go back to TEH VOID instead. Gameplay and graphics is the only things that helps this game, but if lack of music and story is ignored, then its a good game and a lot better than Metroid 2. Even WITH the "story", this game is a lot better than games like Sonic `06, Mario is Missing and Shadow the Hedgehog.

Well, just because it isn't the worst doesn't it's not bad regardless.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

I think is not kind of fair that you compare a game that came out on the 90's to a game that was realesed in 2010....but oh well...and those other games, i haven't played them, I have only seen a bit of Sonic 06...but I only end up liking Silver and Blaze....

But there was better games that this 3 in 80`s (Super Mario Bros. and Metroid for example).

Nightmare and Phantoon were the best parts of that game.

Oh, i forgot about Phantoon. Then Nightmare and Phantoon should return too.

 

[AndreaAC]

But there was better games that this 3 in 80`s (Super Mario Bros. and Metroid for example).

Yeah....I think you are right...*sigh* Well....now to look for more references of Ridley....

 

[majora_787]

Normally I would consider the lack of a real final boss to be a massive strike against Other M, but Phantoon more than made up for it for me. I mean that was awesome. He's almost Ridley tier after that.