Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Swamp Sensei]

Yeah... Those are the two we've been talking about for ages...

Where is the third one?

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Yeah... Those are the two we've been talking about for ages...

Where is the third one?

I thought he mint that one thats the only other one i seen.

 

[AustarusIV]

Changing the topic at hand, is the Metroid Database really the largest Metroid fan website right now? Their forums are hardly active, and the topics that are discussed seem to be quite small. And the characters they suggest...Ugh, I know Dark Samus is popular, but really? They've clamored for the Zebesian mook, one-shot bounty hunters whose names I can't even remember and, god help me, Adam?! I've heard at least one person say they should use the NES Ridley, which seriously makes me think that these guys are only casual fans who got on in the Metroid Prime hype wagon and are now nostalgically reminiscing about it.

Please don't tell me the majority of Ridley fans are just Smash fans. I haven't even heard of that website until lately, and I've been a huge Metroid fan since the 1990s.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Sounds about right, far as MDB I mean. Need I re-post the stupid Ridley thread they had there that focused solely on toobigotry? Well there's ChozoBoy at least whose a decent user here and over there (as well as on the Metroid wiki), though he hasn't been active here lately since after E3.

 

[StupendousMike]

Couple of points, mostly relating to Other M. Maybe there's SPOILERS? But I imagine most everyone reading this thread is up on their Metroid.

1) I've seen it around these parts and elsewhere, but are people really calling Metroid a "dormant" franchise? I mean, I guess it's technically true, since they haven't announced a new game in a while, but Other M was only three years ago. F-Zero, that ain't. There were EIGHT years between Super and Prime.

2) I actually really dig Ridley's Other M design. In-game it's a little wonky, but I think it's really cool on paper. In full-fledged Smash HD, I think it could look gorgeous and, considering it's a little less vicious looking than "Classic" Ridley (the one we see in Brawl) it may actually help him get into the game. Not that I've ever subscribed to this idea, but if his hyper-violent-especially-for-a-Nintendo-character nature has blocked him in the past, going with the new look may be the best way to go.

3) It certainly says something about Ridley's place in the Metroid canon, and his status as the series' number two guy, that he's in Other M at all. That game has NOTHING to do with him. He triggers Samus' PTSD flashback but aside from showcasing the experiments that were taking place on the bottle ship, he has no bearing on the story. But he's still there, because Metroid feels "off" without him... Prime 2 notwithstanding.

I don't know. Had these on my mind is all.

 

[AnOkayDM]

2) I actually really dig Ridley's Other M design. In-game it's a little wonky, but I think it's really cool on paper. In full-fledged Smash HD, I think it could look gorgeous and, considering it's a little less vicious looking than "Classic" Ridley (the one we see in Brawl) it may actually help him get into the game. Not that I've ever subscribed to this idea, but if his hyper-violent-especially-for-a-Nintendo-character nature has blocked him in the past, going with the new look may be the best way to go.

I agree that his concept art for Other M looked pretty good. They just failed to translate it into the game well.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I still do not see hole 3

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Welcome to another episode of size irrelevance...

Spoiler

Anyway, Ridley "still" has not shown his face yet, so it's still possible that Ridley will be revealed as a playable in a similar fashion as to how Rosalina got her playable confirmation.

 

[xpnc]

"The trauma of Samus also might appear."
At least through literal translation.

So while Ridley caused trauma, he isn't the trauma itself.

there comes a time when it's smart just to step down man
he'll be a stage hazard like yellow devil

just let it be and move on

 

[Starcutter]

there comes a time when it's smart just to step down man
he'll be a stage hazard like yellow devil

just let it be and move on

no, I won't just let it go!



I just got a fat lip btw it sucks.

 

[FinalStarmen]

So... when should we expect Ridley to be confirmed/dis-confirmed?



EDIT: I'm talking about irrefutable proof through either a Daily Picture/Nintendo Direct/E3 2014 showcasing Ridley as either a playable character or as a stage hazard, or otherwise.

 

[xpnc]

So... when should we expect Ridley to be confirmed/dis-confirmed?

he was deconfirmed on August 20th

 

[majora_787]

So... when should we expect Ridley to be confirmed/dis-confirmed?



EDIT: I'm talking about irrefutable proof through either a Daily Picture/Nintendo Direct/E3 2014 showcasing Ridley as either a playable character or as a stage hazard, or otherwise.

When xpnc learns how to process information, and also when Ridley is actually shown in a role in the game.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Lol he was already disconfirmed?

Then where is he? Has he been shown on the website? Nope. Has Sakurai come out and said that he isn't playable? Nope.

There's no conclusive proof that he's a stage hazard. Zero. There is doubt sure, but not enough reasonable doubt to instantly assume that.

 

[FinalStarmen]

I have a sinking feeling I am going to regret what I asked.

 

[majora_787]

Lol he was already disconfirmed?

Then where is he? Has he been shown on the website? Nope. Has Sakurai come out and said that he isn't playable? Nope.

There's no conclusive proof that he's a stage hazard. Zero. There is doubt sure, but not enough reasonable doubt to instantly assume that.

The only statement that has been made about Ridley IS LITERALLY for all intents and purposes

"Someone who may or may not be but probably is Ridley could appear on Pyrosphere as a boss, assist trophy, background character, stage hazard, or playable character." It provided absolutely no specific implications and was an extremely open-ended statement that at MOST implies that Ridley appears in SSB4. Which would be absolutely unsurprising. The fact of the matter is the more footage and screenshots we see of Pyrosphere, the less likely it seems that he is a stage hazard or stage decoration. Not to mention Sakurai's disinterest in ripping off other fighting games.

That leaves what. A boss, an assist trophy, or a playable character. Ridley was almost an assist trophy in Brawl, so who knows. But bosses are a SLIGHT bit in question at the current point in time. The moral of the story is nobody knows anything at all except for Sakurai who is just smirking at the speculation while he sits on his secrets.

@FinalStarmen. I already told you. He will be confirmed or deconfirmed when we actually see Ridley in a role in the game at all with a statement from Sakurai as to what he is doing. That's the minimum of what we'd actually need. And if he is flying around in the background of Pyrosphere all we really need is the picture I'd think.

 

[Deleted member]

Ah, that Kraid dumbass is back.

What's next, Mr. Lagne comes from the depths of Hell too?

Divine makes an alt account?

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I still don't know why so many trolls showed up here today..


Mr. Lange has been turning up around a few threads (the social thread and the Miiverse daily photso thread among others) every now and then, but he hasn't brought up Ridley in ages.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

I still do not see hole 3

I cant find the 3rd one if there is one.

xpnc

he was deconfirmed on August 20th

"Pic of the day. Out of the blue, here's a new stage--the Pyrosphere from Metroid: Other M! An enemy from Samus's past may appear at any second."
-Masahiro Sakurai

September 10, 2013

"Pic of the day. Isn't Kirby drawn with a familiar artsy style?"
-Masahiro Sakurai

Rosalinas stage was teased before she was revealed. just because a stage was shown off before the character does not deconfirm the character.the longer they go with out showing him to me more or less confirms that hes to be revealed at a later date like Rosalina.

 

[Deleted member]

Wait a minute.
It's not Ridley who's going to appear on the stage.

It's THEBABYTHEBABYTHEBABYTHEBABY and it will be killed by Mother Brain. There we go, Samus' trauma confirmed.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

he was deconfirmed on August 20th

Holy mother of **** he's not deconfirmed you fools

The true hole he came from is where he ESCAPED the pyrosphere

And I'm going to flip in anger if I hear he's too big too much evidence suggest he can be shrunk the biggest shrink ever was the bee queen in mario kart 7 when see was the size of a Titan in mario galaxy

And the holes are most likely at this point to just be declarations.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

xpnc supports Kraid, yet he says Ridley is now disconfirmed.

Yep, pretty sure he's a troll.

 

[FlareHabanero]

You know, I would actually like Ridley to be like Giga Bowser in Project M. A massive character with very powerful attacks, but also hindered by said massive size. Like a double edge sword basically.

 

[majora_787]

Wait a minute.
It's not Ridley who's going to appear on the stage.

It's THEBABYTHEBABYTHEBABYTHEBABY and it will be killed by Mother Brain. There we go, Samus' trauma confirmed.

It's funny because that's nearly as many times as Samus says "The Baby" in the entire game.

But anyway yeah there's literally nothing that deconfirms Ridley. He's not CONFIRMED either, but the possibilities of being a background stage or hazard are questionable and him being a boss is "slightly iffy". Just because we don't know if bosses are a thing right now. And even then he was nearly an assist trophy once. Who knows now.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

@majora

Don't need to tell me twice. I was just confused as to why that guy said he was disconfirmed was all.

 

[majora_787]

With the number of times people say ridiculously uninformed things about Ridley's status in SSB4 and his ability to be a playable character on a fundamental level, I feel like I never DON'T have to repeat myself.

 

[nessokman]

Thought this up. People here are so obsessed with a theory of "They are saving Ridley" bullcrap. You guys are acting as if Ridley being added will be the biggest reveal (no big pun intended) in the game. Sorry to break it to you, but there isn't a way a Ridley reveal could top megaman's reveal. Sakurai took out his biggest gun at E3, being megaman. So this "saving Ridley for a big reveal" garbage wouldn't work.

 

[AnOkayDM]

Thought this up. People here are so obsessed with a theory of "They are saving Ridley" bullcrap. You guys are acting as if Ridley being added will be the biggest reveal (no big pun intended) in the game. Sorry to break it to you, but there isn't a way a Ridley reveal could top megaman's reveal. Sakurai took out his biggest gun at E3, being megaman. So this "saving Ridley for a big reveal" garbage wouldn't work.

Nope, but he's the biggest reveal that's not a third-party character. Just 'cause someone insanely popular was shown already doesn't mean there aren't other characters that would be crazy popular too.

Good try though. Valiant effort.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Thought this up. People here are so obsessed with a theory of "They are saving Ridley" bullcrap. You guys are acting as if Ridley being added will be the biggest reveal (no big pun intended) in the game. Sorry to break it to you, but there isn't a way a Ridley reveal could top megaman's reveal. Sakurai took out his biggest gun at E3, being megaman. So this "saving Ridley for a big reveal" garbage wouldn't work.

We're not saying he'll be saved for the "biggest reveal". We're saying he hasn't been revealed yet.


It doesn't matter that Mega Man is an incredibly popular character was revealed before Ridley, Mega Man himself has nothing to do with Ridley, and there are plenty of reasons to reveal certain newcomers at certain times. The fact that one very popular character was revealed before another doesn't mean another super popular character is automatically disconfirmed. By your logic, King K. Rool, Little Mac, and Palutena among others have all been disconfirmed as well.

Every argument you make against Ridley is a grasp a straws. When are you finally going to give up arguing/trolling here?

 

[majora_787]

Since when are character reveals restricted to EXCLUSIVELY occuring in order of popularity? If that was the case, we would have seen SONIC in Brawl's E3, and not after Meta Knight, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Snake, Pit, Ike, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, and Lucas.

Hell, even Villager was revealed before Mega Man. And Wii Fit Trainer before Rosalina, even though I can basically guarantee Rosalina was more requested for Smash Bros.

They easily COULD be saving Ridley, just like they've saved TONS of reveals for plenty of reasons.

 

[BKupa666]

All this without thinking about how he's going to look. Because you know that if we get him, he's gonna have his Other M look right?

It's worth mentioning that Ridley, if he gets in, would never be someone they'd cut from a Smash sequel, and in those sequels, his design could change to reflect his design in future Metroid games. Those designs might be less awkward than his Other M one, so it's worth stomaching that one now because of the more appealing future possibilities.

 

[Deleted member]

@Habanero: Agreed. Hence my statement a while back on how Project M's Giga Bowser shows that large characters can work.

@majora: Sonic wasn't added to the game until 2007. He really couldn't have been shown off at E3 2006.
While nessokman's points are (as usual) garbage, that counterpoint is something I can't let slide.

 

[Morbi]

@Habanero: Agreed. Hence my statement a while back on how Project M's Giga Bowser shows that large characters can work.

@majora: Sonic wasn't added to the game until 2007. He really couldn't have been shown off at E3 2006.
While nessokman's points are (as usual) garbage, that counterpoint is something I can't let slide.

That was his point though. He is merely insinuating that if popularity had anything to do with it, Sonic would have been one of the first reveals (regardless of whenever he was added). But that isn't the way things work, which is why a popular character like Sonic was actually saved. Although this starts getting into 3rd party licensing issues, he could have picked a better example; however, I still think it works for this specific argument.

It wasn't necessarily the character that was important. It was the point, he was just throwing out an example. Sonic comes to mind because he blew up the internet when he was revealed.

 

[Welshy91]

I'm not sold on this "If Ridley is in he'll be Other M Ridley". Bowser doesn't look he does in 3D World, Donkey Kong doesn't look like he does in DKCR. I know Samus is modeled after Other M, but I'd wager it's because he likes how it looks, not because he feels obligated to update her appearance because it's her most recent look. My point is, if Ridley is in, he'll make him look however he damn well pleases.

 

[Morbi]

I'm not sold on this "If Ridley is in he'll be Other M Ridley". Bowser doesn't look he does in 3D World B, Donkey Kong doesn't look like he does in DKCR. I know Samus is modeled after Other M, but I'd wager it's because he likes how it looks, not because he feels obligated to update her appearance because it's her most recent look. My point is, if Ridley is in, he'll make him look however he damn well pleases.

I agree, he is going to choose the easiest Ridley, the most aesthetically pleasing one.

 

[majora_787]

@Habanero: Agreed. Hence my statement a while back on how Project M's Giga Bowser shows that large characters can work.

@majora: Sonic wasn't added to the game until 2007. He really couldn't have been shown off at E3 2006.
While nessokman's points are (as usual) garbage, that counterpoint is something I can't let slide.

Lucas and Diddy Kong were revealed over 6 months into 2007. It's not impossible that they ALSO could have been added within that year, before or after Sonic the Hedgehog. It's not an entirely invalid statement unless you have the comprehensive details of Brawl's development.

EDIT: Same with Pokemon Trainer or Ike even. All revealed in August or Octover of 2007. It's entirely possible that even ONE of them could have not been put in the game until a time within the first six months of 2007 but still revealed before Sonic the Hedgehog.

 

[Deleted member]

@Morbid:

.....you really have no idea how things work, do you?
How could have Sakurai have announced Sonic's inclusion at E3 2006, when Sonic wasn't even added to Sakurai's planned roster until 2007?
Sakurai had his plans laid out by July 7, 2005. Sonic wasn't part of the plan. The addition of Sonic in general wasn't decided until almost 2 years later.

It's literally like saying Sakurai could have shown off Ganondorf early for Melee.



EDIT:
Majora, Sonic wasn't even part of the PLAN for the game until 2007.
Everyone else had been planned on ahead of time.

We have a link to this in this thread:
http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-development-history-updated-11-23.324410/

AND I have brought it up several times in the past. I'm inclined to say there is no excuse for not knowing this, but I'm not THAT much of a douche.

 

[Morbi]

@Morbid:

.....you really have no idea how things work, do you?
How could have Sakurai have announced Sonic's inclusion at E3 2006, when Sonic wasn't even added to Sakurai's planned roster until 2007?
Sakurai had his plans laid out by July 7, 2005. Sonic wasn't part of the plan. The addition of Sonic in general wasn't decided until almost 2 years later.

It's literally like saying Sakurai could have shown off Ganondorf early for Melee.

No, my point was that he was a hypothetical example to prove that importance has nothing to do with the order of the reveal, Sakurai doesn't reveal the important characters first and foremost just to reveal the important characters first and foremost. However, it looks like my assumption was wrong (as Majora wasn't just using Sonic as a hypothetical example like I thought he was).

 

[majora_787]

@Morbid:

.....you really have no idea how things work, do you?
How could have Sakurai have announced Sonic's inclusion at E3 2006, when Sonic wasn't even added to Sakurai's planned roster until 2007?
Sakurai had his plans laid out by July 7, 2005. Sonic wasn't part of the plan. The addition of Sonic in general wasn't decided until almost 2 years later.

It's literally like saying Sakurai could have shown off Ganondorf early for Melee.



EDIT:
Majora, Sonic wasn't even part of the PLAN for the game until 2007.
Everyone else had been planned on ahead of time.

We have a link to this in this thread:
http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-development-history-updated-11-23.324410/

AND I have brought it up several times in the past. I'm inclined to say there is no excuse for not knowing this, but I'm not THAT much of a douche.

I am saying that while Sonic was made AND revealed during 2007, it is not impossible that EVEN ONE of the four newcomers shown in the same month were in the same position but shown earlier. And it can't be proven unless we have a comprehensive development schedule, which nobody has.

 

[Deleted member]

@Morbid:
Hence why you shouldn't question what I say to someone else.
Chances are, I'm addressing the proper context.


@Majora:
There were only two Newcomers shown off in the month of October; Sonic and Dedede.
Pretty sure Dedede was finished before Sonic.
EDIT: And Lucas. Forgot he was revealed on the 1st.
He was definitely finished long before Sonic.