Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[SmilingMad]

They haven't shown much of stage hazard bosses at all, just yellow devil which no one liked at e3. Could be lots of reasons for that. Maybe it's because he's playable but that isn't the only possible reason so I wouldn't bank so hard on it

Isn't the Dark Emperor a stage boss too? I mean, it was even confirmed that he could buff players in some way, which could very well be the reward for defeating him in some way, just like how Yellow Devil also has a "reward".

 

[Naglfarii]

We're saying that there was confusion, and Sakurai cleared it up QUICKLY,
There is confusio on Ridley, no word of the hero of rice sacks.

Confusion and speculation aren't the same, Ridley hasn't been revealed properly at all. The 'rule' you're banking on so hard is super flimsy and no guarantee of anything

Isn't the Dark Emperor a stage boss too? I mean, it was even confirmed that he could buff players in some way, which could very well be the reward for defeating him in some way, just like how Yellow Devil also has a "reward".

Tbh I have no idea.

 

[Gaxel]

To be fair, they didn't make it clear that Chrom wouldn't be playable the first time watching the trailer as Chrom said "I guess I'll get my chance another day..." And a caption along the lines of "No, you'll get it today" appeared.

 

[WayfaringElf]

Confusion and speculation aren't the same, Ridley hasn't been revealed properly at all. The 'rule' you're banking on so hard is super flimsy and no guarantee of anything

People are still confused on ridley's role, leaving people to speculate.

"I don't like it when a tweet or whatever leads to needless speculation getting spread around," he wrote. "For example, when I tweet about playing some game, some people immediately get the idea that that character is in the new Smash Bros. Then people fan the flames on it, people start to think it's really true, people get angry about it. Nobody benefits." -Sakurai

 

[AuraShaman]

*Hides in the closet*

 

[ddd87]

Isn't the Dark Emperor a stage boss too? I mean, it was even confirmed that he could buff players in some way, which could very well be the reward for defeating him in some way, just like how Yellow Devil also has a "reward".

I think he buffs and debuffs in real time, not as a reward for being defeated.

 

[SmilingMad]

Confusion and speculation aren't the same, Ridley hasn't been revealed properly at all. The 'rule' you're banking on so hard is super flimsy and no guarantee of anything

Well, Sakurai did kind of state his stance on fake hype and speculation. Which is probably why he is so insistent on deconfirming characters like that. Yes, Ridley has not been properly revealed at all, but this has been going on for four bloody months. Four. This is entirely against Sakurai's stance on the whole hypulation stuff thing.

 

[KirbyOnly]

People are still confused on ridley's role, leaving people to speculate.

"I don't like it when a tweet or whatever leads to needless speculation getting spread around," he wrote. "For example, when I tweet about playing some game, some people immediately get the idea that that character is in the new Smash Bros. Then people fan the flames on it, people start to think it's really true, people get angry about it. Nobody benefits." -Sakurai

Actually, that quote explains why he immediately reveals assist trophies after showing them. I don't think that he wants to entirely remove speculation, just control it. I think "needless" is the keyword in that quote.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Well, Sakurai did kind of state his stance on fake hype and speculation. Which is probably why he is so insistent on deconfirming characters like that. Yes, Ridley has not been properly revealed at all, but this has been going on for four bloody months. Four. This is entirely against Sakurai's stance on the whole hypulation stuff thing.

You mean 11 bloody months

 

[GM_3826]

You guys are still arguing? I thought the flames would have fanned by now.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You guys are still arguing? I thought the flames would have fanned by now.

New argument, happened about 15 minutes ago

 

[SmilingMad]

You mean 11 bloody months

I mean since Ridley was show, not since Pyrosphere's reveal.

 

[GM_3826]

New argument, happened about 15 minutes ago

...Ridley better get ****ing announced...

 

[ChronoBound]

Chill. He did no such thing. If he isn't playable you only have yourself to blame for hyping yourself up for the possibility, as he's never implied ridley would be more than a boss.

Don't blame him for your own mistakes

I have been saying for almost a year Ridley is a boss. Its all the other Ridley fans and supporters who have been saying I'm wrong. Like I said, its a shame my seniority means nothing. I just hope Ridley supporters will finally listen to what I have to say when it is confirmed his role in Smash 4 is relegated to the Pyrosphere.

 

[Enloc]

Hey all, I usually lurk Ye Olde Chrom Thread, but I've been a shadow Ridley supporter for some time. I have to agree with those who are saying it's strange that Sakurai hasn't explicitly cleared up Ridley's situation. Even though Chrom's situation was a little murky at first, at least Sakurai didn't let it drag on. The fact that Ridley-related confusion HAS gone on this long leads me to believe there's something special about his circumstances.

I'm just really hoping it doesn't turn out he's some kind of "playable boss" like a few leaks have said. Because if Sakurai did that thinking we would be happy about it, I have a feeling that he won't like the response...

 

[Gaxel]

You mean 11 bloody months

You mean 13 bloody years (cause y'know Ridley was in the trailer for Melee and people thought he was playable)

 

[Skyblade12]

You guys are still arguing? I thought the flames would have fanned by now.

Fanning implies having air added to them, making them burn bigger. The proper follow up to surprise that they are still arguing would be "I thought the flames would have died by now". Or something along those lines.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hey all, I usually lurk Ye Olde Chrom Thread, but I've been a shadow Ridley supporter for some time. I have to agree with those who are saying it's strange that Sakurai hasn't explicitly cleared up Ridley's situation. Even though Chrom's situation was a little murky at first, at least Sakurai didn't let it drag on. The fact that Ridley-related confusion HAS gone on this long leads me to believe there's something special about his circumstances.

I'm just really hoping it doesn't turn out he's some kind of "playable boss" like a few leaks have said. Because if Sakurai did that thinking we would be happy about it, I have a feeling that he won't like the response...

Welcome Ike! We fight for our friend Ridley, so that he doesn't end up like Chrom, but Robin!

 

[RidleyDX]

I'm referring to the tension on waiting for the next Direct. Ridley's no shoo-in, but for those of us who are anxiously waiting for him to get revealed, it's very frustrating.

I just want this mess done and over with.

I beseech our lord and Shepard Sakurai, release us from this torment! I pray to learn the truth of the lamb that is Ridley, release us from this endless cycle of detractor and supporter. Deliver us from years of wanting Ridley for Super Smash Bros!!

 

[SmilingMad]

I have been saying for almost a year Ridley is a boss. Its all the other Ridley fans and supporters who have been saying I'm wrong. Like I said, its a shame my seniority means nothing. I just hope Ridley supporters will finally listen to what I have to say when it is confirmed his role in Smash 4 is relegated to the Pyrosphere.

Ridley has so, so much more going for him now though.

 

[GM_3826]

...
I'm done.
I'm done with you all.
I'm leaving these forums. If Ridley doesn't get announced, so you guys will ****ing shut up for a few weeks, I'm not coming back.

 

[Naglfarii]

Rather than rehash repetitive arguments etc that don't really go anywhere, let's do something else. I'm wondering, what % chance do you give for Ridley to join the fight, and how does it compare to your % chances for other newcomers or unconfirmed vets you want?

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I'm done.
I'm done with you all.
I'm leaving these forums. If Ridley doesn't get announced, so you guys will ****ing shut up for a few weeks, I'm not coming back.

No one's even flaming lol calm down

 

[Nietona]

I have been saying for almost a year Ridley is a boss. Its all the other Ridley fans and supporters who have been saying I'm wrong. Like I said, its a shame my seniority means nothing. I just hope Ridley supporters will finally listen to what I have to say when it is confirmed his role in Smash 4 is relegated to the Pyrosphere.

It's entirely possible Ridley's a boss, and I agree with your Project M sentiment entirely. It is also admirable that you've been supporting Ridley since pre-Melee, it takes dedication. However, seniority doesn't make your opinion any more valid than the next person's. There's nothing wrong with people believing he's playable, and... well, I can't say I disagree with you. I can see him being a boss. I just equally see why people believe he's playable.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

...
I'm done.
I'm done with you all.
I'm leaving these forums. If Ridley doesn't get announced, so you guys will ****ing shut up for a few weeks, I'm not coming back.

Eh, sad to see someone leave, but unfortunatly, the Ridley debate will only end after a confirmation. Hoping the 20th means something

 

[Enloc]

Welcome Ike! We fight for our friend Ridley, so that he doesn't end up like Chrom, but Robin!

Thanks! Yeah, you see, that's part of why I wanted to at least chime in once here. If the same thing happens to Ridley that happened to Chrom (tease and relatively brutal deconfirmation), then that's just really rude and I can't say I'd be happy with Sakurai for that. Not going to threaten to not buy the game or anything, but Ridley is one of my most wanted. Who can say no to a giant purple space dragon?

Not even a Metroid fan, but I fully support Ridley anyway. The series needs more love and he's the best rep they have.

 

[Gaxel]

...
I'm done.
I'm done with you all.
I'm leaving these forums. If Ridley doesn't get announced, so you guys will ****ing shut up for a few weeks, I'm not coming back.

I guess the pressure was TOO BIG.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Thanks! Yeah, you see, that's part of why I wanted to at least chime in once here. If the same thing happens to Ridley that happened to Chrom (tease and relatively brutal deconfirmation), then that's just really rude and I can't say I'd be happy with Sakurai for that. Not going to threaten to not buy the game or anything, but Ridley is one of my most wanted. Who can say no to a giant purple space dragon?

Not even a Metroid fan, but I fully support Ridley anyway. The series needs more love and he's the best rep they have.

Well then, nice to know! Don't drink the water, yadayadayada

 

[Skyblade12]

I have been saying for almost a year Ridley is a boss. Its all the other Ridley fans and supporters who have been saying I'm wrong. Like I said, its a shame my seniority means nothing. I just hope Ridley supporters will finally listen to what I have to say when it is confirmed his role in Smash 4 is relegated to the Pyrosphere.

What the heck does seniority have to do with this?

If I argued back when Toon Link was shown as a stage element that he was disconfirmed, I'd have "seniority" over all those people arguing that he was playable who joined afterwards. I'd still be wrong.

If anything, your seniority works against you, because it apparently means that you closed your mind and haven't even listened to any of the new information that has sprung up over the past year.

 

[WayfaringElf]

Rather than rehash repetitive arguments etc that don't really go anywhere, let's do something else. I'm wondering, what % chance do you give for Ridley to join the fight, and how does it compare to your % chances for other newcomers or unconfirmed vets you want?

9999999999999.999999999999999999%

 

[A Distant Demon]

Rather than rehash repetitive arguments etc that don't really go anywhere, let's do something else. I'm wondering, what % chance do you give for Ridley to join the fight, and how does it compare to your % chances for other newcomers or unconfirmed vets you want?

60-70% but I'm a pessamist against 90% for shulk 50% for k. rool and 85% for mewtwo. All of my other 8 characters were confirmed
(well except wonder red)

 

[SmilingMad]

Thanks! Yeah, you see, that's part of why I wanted to at least chime in once here. If the same thing happens to Ridley that happened to Chrom (tease and relatively brutal deconfirmation), then that's just really rude and I can't say I'd be happy with Sakurai for that. Not going to threaten to not buy the game or anything, but Ridley is one of my most wanted. Who can say no to a giant purple space dragon?

Not even a Metroid fan, but I fully support Ridley anyway. The series needs more love and he's the best rep they have.

Chrom wasn't really teased, but yeah, that was nasty. We're always happy to brainwash more people for our cause!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Chrom wasn't really teased, but yeah, that was nasty. We're always happy to brainwash more people for our cause!

You mean un-water them, right?

 

[Deleted member]

Isn't the Dark Emperor a stage boss too? I mean, it was even confirmed that he could buff players in some way, which could very well be the reward for defeating him in some way, just like how Yellow Devil also has a "reward".

Doesn't look defeated to me.

Currently, the only known boss is Yellow Devil.

 

[Naglfarii]

60-70% but I'm a pessamist against 90% for shulk 50% for k. rool and 85% for mewtwo. All of my other 8 characters were confirmed
(well except wonder red)

I wonder about shulk particularly how much his chances are hurt by how few people outside Japan got to play xenoblade chronicles. Does anyone know how well that game sold in Japan?

 

[Skyblade12]

I wonder about shulk particularly how much his chances are hurt by how few people outside Japan got to play xenoblade chronicles. Does anyone know how well that game sold in Japan?

North America: 0.40m 46.8%
+ Europe: 0.23m 27.1%
+ Japan: 0.16m 18.4%
+ Rest of the World: 0.07m 7.7%
= Global 0.86m

For those curious, you can find the source at www.vgchartz.com
Along with the information for Golden Sun: 1.76 million for the first game, 3.7 million for the series.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I wonder about shulk particularly how much his chances are hurt by how few people outside Japan got to play xenoblade chronicles. Does anyone know how well that game sold in Japan?

I heard that sold like hot cakes, and Shulk not being likely because no one outside? The fans had to make sure the game came to the US, as it would only be in Europe, and they said it was great!

 

[JayJay55]

I have been saying for almost a year Ridley is a boss. Its all the other Ridley fans and supporters who have been saying I'm wrong. Like I said, its a shame my seniority means nothing. I just hope Ridley supporters will finally listen to what I have to say when it is confirmed his role in Smash 4 is relegated to the Pyrosphere.

You know seniority is irrelevant right? Plus just as people who think he's a boss, the people who think he's playable have reasons behind their speculation, nobody is right in this case. I'm having doubts that he's not playable but there is a chance he still is. Once his role is confirmed by Sakurai this will all be over, that's what most of us are waiting for anyways, a straight answer.

 

[ZeroJinKui]

I have been around since the pre-Melee days. The fact of the matter is that we are going to look like idiots and the Ridley fanbase is going to contract big time once Ridley becomes a boss once again.

Its like my seniority among the Ridley fanbase and Smash Bros. fanbase means absolutely nothing. I have been supporting Ridley as a playable character in Smash Bros. when quite a few people in this thread were still in diapers. I have been a massive fan of Ridley for basically 20 years. I have wanted him in as a playable character for over 15 years.

The fact of the matter is, is that if Sakurai lets us down again (especially if he really does end up trolling us for over the year), WE HAVE TO take matters into our own hands.

you arent the only senior around... but what are we gonna do, really?

may as well face it, without taking this conversation in a VERY dark direction, there is nothing we can do.

if after all this, ridley is deconfirmed... i might actually lose faith in nintendo, sakurai, and smash bros in general... may even lose interest altogether.

i mean, a year of this teasing and hype, if it turns out to be nothing... im done.

 

[ChronoBound]

Next week is the one year anniversary for the Pyrosphere unveil (August 20th). We are literally going on one year arguing whether Ridley is a stage hazard or not.

Here is another question to all of you.

Suppose we get no confirmation of Stage Hazardley for the remainder of this month or during the first two weeks of September, but....

When Smash 4 3DS releases on September 13th in Japan, Ridley is not part of the roster.

What will be your assessment then?

Honestly, I could then see people claiming "Ridley is being held off as DLC".

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Next week is the one year anniversary for the Pyrosphere unveil (August 20th). We are literally going on one year arguing whether Ridley is a stage hazard or not.

Here is another question to all of you.

Suppose we get no confirmation of Stage Hazardley for the remainder of this month or during the first two weeks of September, but....

When Smash 4 3DS releases on September 13th in Japan, Ridley is not part of the roster.

What will be your assessment then?

Honestly, I could then see people claiming "Ridley is being held off as DLC".

I would be royally pissed at the teasing, but I got Lucina and Mega Man, still going to buy the game, but I will be the saltiest thing alive