Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Snagrio]

I know I missed ten pages, but I'm not going to read them because I know for a fact there wasn't anything new in them.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

There are now aerial smashes. Robin has been confirmed to have some. I see no reason why Ridley could not as well.

This is something that should be discussed more for potential Ridley movesets.

Really, let's start brainstorming more on that for the sake of different discussion. I forget, but have any Ridley movesets posted here actually had aerial smashes included in them thus far?

Because no one who has never been on this site before can have possibly engaged in Smash Bros. speculation. Smashboards is clearly the ONLY place that has EVER existed where people would speculate about upcoming fighters.

Newsflash: Most of us have been speculating just as long. Heck, the Brawl release was built up in much the same way, and had much the same sort of hype and speculation attached to it. Your "seniority" means NOTHING.

Just to point out too, I've speculated in Smash some years before I made an account on this site. Knew of this place quite awhile before I joined, but just occasionally lurked before then when I wasn't speculating on some other site at the time of Brawl or Melee's hype.

But yeah, seniority elitism is stupid, though I can agree at least that a Ridley deconfirmation now would most likely be more hurtful for someone whose waited that long for the space dragon, than for someone who only started supporting him during pre-SSB4 speculation.

 

[Enloc]

To answer an earlier question (wow this thread moves fast!), if the game rolls out and Ridley is not playable, I'm not totally sure what to make of it. I'd certainly question Sakurai's wisdom and consider him very out of touch with the fanbase if he thinks that a boss role would placate people wanting a playable Ridley for this many years. I can think of no reason why Ridley wouldn't make a fantastic addition...and if Sakurai can come up with a moveset for Wii Fit Trainer, I should really hope he can come up with a moveset for a dragon type creature with a lot of sharp teeth and claws and whatnot. He did manage to make Charizard after all, so now we need something leaner and meaner.

I find it hard to believe that Sakurai is that ignorant of the fanbase's wishes, though. My tendency is to believe that Ridley is playable, but I still wouldn't be willing to place any bets. Last time I did that...uh, well, the Chrom thing happened. I think Ridley has the best chances out of any possible Metroid rep, and Metroid could use some new reps. He's got all the characteristics that a unique fighter should, so Sakurai hasn't got any excuse between that and Ridley's apparent popularity.

I'd be happy to support him for DLC, same as I do Chrom, if there is any indication whatsoever that DLC is possible.

 

[Naglfarii]

I put the sales numbers up there for you.

Ty. Those are pretty good numbers maybe he does have a more serious shot than I thought

 

[Skyblade12]

This is something that should be discussed more for potential Ridley movesets.

Really, let's start brainstorming more on that for the sake of different discussion. I forget, but have any Ridley movesets posted here actually had aerial smashes included in them thus far?

Not to my knowledge. It's not going to be an easy thing to consider, though, because we don't know if they can be charged, or how charging an aerial smash affects jump time or trajectory.

 

[Snagrio]

as i said before, i'd be done.

there is no excuse... NO. EXCUSE. WHATSOEVER.

just... NOTHING... at all... could ever excuse them for teasing ridley for a year and he end up not being part of the roster.

as for DLC, i am as firm in my belief that DLC will NOT be a thing in smash bros as i am in my belief that ridley WILL be playable.

DLC is really ridiculous in this day and age... the only DLC that is really justified are full expansions, smaller content such as characters are understandable for indie developers, since they do have fewer resources and might get enough for extra stuff at a later date... but nintendo? with one of their most popular series?

i just cant see any justifiable reason to toss in extra characters through DLC for smash bros.

i really wish the whole DLC subject would just die, already... so tired of hearing about it at this point.

There is at least one thing DLC would be legitimately useful for in Smash 4, being characters from new franchises that come out shortly after the games' release. The best example is Splatoon, which wasn't conceptualized until sometime after Smash 4's development cycle was underway.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I am still puzzled of how Air Smashes are activated...

 

[JayJay55]

Not to my knowledge. It's not going to be an easy thing to consider, though, because we don't know if they can be charged, or how charging an aerial smash affects jump time or trajectory.

On the topic of aerial smashes, would the aerial smashes replace the standard air attacks when you click the C-stick? Like F-air would actually be F-air smash, while on that too, would there be Backwards aerial smashes also or would the Smash either going left or right be the same like it is on the ground? That's just something that always puzzled me.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

Proof if anyone needed it that Nintendo listen to the community

xD No Johns...
You would say that, Reggi...

 

[Smash_Handle69]

Wait, are aerial smashes really a thing? I thought that it was just implied, and never directly stated. People have just interpreted what Sakurai said about Robin's aerials as the confirmation of aerial smashes. I'm not saying it's not going to happen, I'm just wondering whether it was explicitly stated, or whether it was ambiguous.

Here's the post that mentions using the Levin Sword for smash attacks, and in the air:
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAABnUYn9W-xLGQ

To me, it's ambiguous whether Sakurai is saying that smash attacks can be used in the air, or if certain aerial attacks (normal aerials), like the smash attacks, allow Robin to use the Levin sword.

 

[NatP]

Wait, are aerial smashes really a thing? I thought that it was just implied, and never directly stated. People have just interpreted what Sakurai said about Robin's aerials as the confirmation of aerial smashes. I'm not saying it's not going to happen, I'm just wondering whether it was explicitly stated, or whether it was ambiguous.

I thought they weren't going to happen too at first, but no, they're real. Sakurai mentioned it one of the PotD's.

 

[BlueBubbee]

On the topic of aerial smashes, would the aerial smashes replace the standard air attacks when you click the C-stick? Like F-air would actually be F-air smash, while on that too, would there be Backwards aerial smashes also or would the Smash either going left or right be the same like it is on the ground? That's just something that always puzzled me.

I would think that the moves the C-Stick is mapped to (what is it, fair, dair, bair, and nair?) would just be the uncharged versions of the smashes. Like, even without the c-stick they'd just be the uncharged aerial smashes. I'd like to think of them as "chargeable aerials" (smashes). Do you understand what I'm saying? I think they just wouldn't have a bair, it'd be the same as the fair but would turn them around.


I'm on laggy mobile so if the spelling or formatting isn't right, sorry.

 

[Skyblade12]

Wait, are aerial smashes really a thing? I thought that it was just implied, and never directly stated. People have just interpreted what Sakurai said about Robin's aerials as the confirmation of aerial smashes. I'm not saying it's not going to happen, I'm just wondering whether it was explicitly stated, or whether it was ambiguous.

Here's the post that mentions using the Levin Sword for smash attacks, and in the air:
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAABnUYn9W-xLGQ

To me, it's ambiguous whether Sakurai is saying that smash attacks can be used in the air, or if certain aerial attacks (normal aerials), like the smash attacks, allow Robin to use the Levin sword.

Sakurai's words: The Levin sword can be activated by using smash attacks--you can even activate these moves in midair!

Doesn't seem too ambiguous to me.

 

[Smash_Handle69]

Sakurai's words: The Levin sword can be activated by using smash attacks--you can even activate these moves in midair!

Doesn't seem too ambiguous to me.

The phrase "these moves" is. Looking at it again, it does seem less ambiguous than I remember, but it still could be interpreted in two different ways. I'm not sure whether to believe that aerial smashes are going to happen, but I recognize it as a distinct possibility.

 

[lilt]

Just want to leave that here:
I doubt this thread will hit the 2000 post mark before Ridley's reveal.

 

[JayJay55]

I would think that the moves the C-Stick is mapped to (what is it, fair, dair, bair, and nair?) would just be the uncharged versions of the smashes. Like, even without the c-stick they'd just be the uncharged aerial smashes. I'd like to think of them as "chargeable aerials" (smashes). Do you understand what I'm saying? I think they just wouldn't have a bair, it'd be the same as the fair but would turn them around.


I'm on laggy mobile so if the spelling or formatting isn't right, sorry.

Uair, Dair, Fair, Bair, and Nair are all of the aerials (you just missed only one). I may be misinterpreting what you're saying but what I'm saying is would the aerial smashes be mapped to the C-stick and if they are would they function more like aerials or function like they do on the ground. Again, I may be misinterpreting what you're saying (I'm hungry and incredibly tired for some strange reason, and no your mobile phone's formatting didn't effect your spelling).

 

[Skyblade12]

The phrase "these moves" is. Looking at it again, it does seem less ambiguous than I remember, but it still could be interpreted in two different ways. I'm not sure whether to believe that aerial smashes are going to happen, but I recognize it as a distinct possibility.

Really? I think "these moves" is less ambiguous. If he said "You can even activate this sword in midair", it would be ambiguous. But "these moves" specifically refers to the moves he was talking about, which are smash attacks.

 

[DraginHikari]

At this point I'm still expecting Ridley to be a boss, I've seen and reread the same evidence over and over again. Nothing I've really seen at this point has really convinced me otherwise because it basically comes to down to the idea that Sakurai is lying or trolling Ridley fans during the boss sequence during the Direct. Every I've seen has been shadow sizes, sketchy movement cycles, size comparisons, or combinations of random quotes which don't connect in any way really other then being related to size in some way which all could have different explanations for why they are the way they are. That isn't really enough for me at this point because it's still trying to override the visible evidence with speculation.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Just want to leave that here:
I doubt this thread will hit the 2000 post mark before Ridley's reveal.

Don't question this thread! The speed escalates constantly!

 

[Skyblade12]

Just want to leave that here:
I doubt this thread will hit the 2000 post mark before Ridley's reveal.

You do realize that we're currently more than 61 THOUSAND posts into this thread, right? I think you meant 2000 pages.

 

[ddd87]

Just want to leave that here:
I doubt this thread will hit the 2000 post mark before Ridley's reveal.

We need to work harder then.

 

[Bananija]

Things that support a playable Ridley in the next smash:
1. Ridley is at least one of the 5 most requested character.
2. Sakurai explicitly decomfirmed every characters that was at least a bit requested a few time after showing them.
3. Sakurai said multiple times that size doesn't matters in smash.
4. Sakurai doesn't like false hype
5. High requested characters (Little Mac, Megaman) made it as playable.
6. If you can find a good moveset to someone like Wii fit trainer, you can find one for Ridley.
7. Ridley is the most revelant character of the metroid series that has no confirmed role.
8. The shadow analysis (which seems pretty accurate in my opinion) show that the Ridley that we had seen was at a playable size.

Things that support a non-playable Ridley in the next Smash:
1. Sakurai could thinks that a boss Ridley is worth a so long tease.
2. A lot of people doesn't want a playable Ridley.
3. The shadow analysis could be wrong.

What do you thinks of this guys?

 

[AustarusIV]

At this point I'm still expecting Ridley to be a boss, I've seen and reread the same evidence over and over again. Nothing I've really seen at this point has really convinced me otherwise because it basically comes to down to the idea that Sakurai is lying or trolling Ridley fans during the boss sequence during the Direct. Every I've seen has been shadow sizes, sketchy movement cycles, size comparisons, or combinations of random quotes which don't connect in any way really other then being related to size in some way which all could have different explanations for why they are the way they are. That isn't really enough for me at this point because it's still trying to override the visible evidence with speculation.

What's your explanation for Nintendo/Sakurai continuing to hide Ridley from pictures/additional footage after the Direct then? There's no legitimate excuse to do that if he isn't playable.

And don't tell me that he "isn't finished", that's questioning the competency of the SSB4 development team.

 

[Smash_Handle69]

Really? I think "these moves" is less ambiguous. If he said "You can even activate this sword in midair", it would be ambiguous. But "these moves" specifically refers to the moves he was talking about, which are smash attacks.

True, but just because one type of wording is more ambiguous doesn't mean that the standard wording isn't ambiguous. And again, "these moves" could be referring to moves that activate the Levin Sword, which don't necessarily have to be smashes. What could possibly clear this up is a literal translation of the original potd quote that Sakurai posted in Japanese.

 

[Skyblade12]

True, but just because one type of wording is more ambiguous doesn't mean that the standard wording isn't ambiguous. What could possibly clear this up is a literal translation of the original potd quote that Sakurai posted in Japanese.

Agreed.

On the other hand, if it is something that you "choose" to activate (which kind of seems to be the point of the Levin Sword, use it only when you need it, because it might break), how else would you implement it in midair than by allowing aerial smashes to call it out, while aerial regular moves don't?

 

[Smash_Handle69]

On the other hand, if it is something that you "choose" to activate (which kind of seems to be the point of the Levin Sword, use it only when you need it, because it might break), how else would you implement it in midair than by allowing aerial smashes to call it out, while aerial regular moves don't?

Good question. It would pretty much have to allow for aerial smashes, if the Smash Team wanted to make playing as Robin more accessible.

Here's a question for anyone who knows: How do you access the Japanese versions of the pic of the day posts?
Nvm, I found a link.

 

[ZeroJinKui]

There is at least one thing DLC would be legitimately useful for in Smash 4, being characters from new franchises that come out shortly after the games' release. The best example is Splatoon, which wasn't conceptualized until sometime after Smash 4's development cycle was underway.

not even that... no, that is what the NEXT entry in smash bros. would be for... why add any new characters in the current game, thus limiting the choices for the NEXT game, if there is one?

damn it, people...

arguing with DLC lovers is like arguing with detractors.

i need some aspirin.

i might leave this forum until the 20th... save myself some frustration.

 

[Smash_Handle69]

Holy crap, just the really rough Google translation of the Japanese version of that post pretty much clears up this ambiguity.

One piece today. Mage manual and Thunder Sword, the lifeblood of Reflet. I can use in Smash input Thunder Sword. Smash aerial input is OK what. And there is a number of uses as the original, it is broken and use too much, it takes a little time to replenish. If there is no Thunder Sword, I will fight with the sword of bronze.

 

[ChronoBound]

From what I have been hearing, Ridley probably won't make it into Project M either.

I guess if Sakurai disappoints us again, we are going to have to make our own hack through Brawl. Its a shame, considering Ridley being a part of Project M would give a playable Ridley hack much more exposure.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

From what I have been hearing, Ridley probably won't make it into Project M either.

I guess if Sakurai disappoints us again, we are going to have to make our own hack through Brawl. Its a shame, considering Ridley being a part of Project M would give a playable Ridley hack much more exposure.

The reason why Roy and Mewtwo were plausible was because their data was in the game, it just wasn't complete. And the fact the devs don't have to think of a new moveset

 

[ChronoBound]

The reason why Roy and Mewtwo were plausible was because their data was in the game, it just hasn't complete. And the fact the devs don't have to think of a new moveset

No, they made them from scratch. We will be getting five completely new characters in Project M.

The reason why they are reluctant to do Ridley is due to how challenging he would be to make.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Aerial Smash attacks seem like a really neat idea, but how would they work in actual gameplay? You'd have to be really high up to charge up that type of attack, not to mention there's how you're moving around that might skewer your accuracy.

Regarding Ridley, I had a dream last night that Nintendo emailed me that Ridley would be an unlockable character, and the ways to unlock him were really... unconventional.
1: Play 30 Matches.
2: Go through a 10 minute business meeting as Captain Falcon. <--- (Just... What?)
I still think that Ridley is more likely to be an unlockable character. You wouldn't really have a big character at the start, so I'd think it'd be more appropriate to earn him. Please suggest how you think the player might unlock Ridley.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

No, they made them from scratch. We will be getting five completely new characters in Project M.

The reason why they are reluctant to do Ridley is due to how challenging he would be to make.

The movesets weren't made from scratch, they already had a valid moveset other than Final Smashes




http://www.gamestm.co.uk/interviews...-smash-bros-best-character-game-in-the-world/ “One thing as a developer I have to keep in mind is that it’s not enough to make a game that will satisfy our core fanbase. We have to reach out and appeal to new players. Finding that sweet spot is always difficult.” You know, this would make me saltier if Ridley gets teased for nothing

 

[Exegguter]

This game is made to sell. To earn money. Lots of money. As a developer you want to include characters that have the highest fanbase. Ridley will boost sells. No doubt. With or without teasing. Is Nintendo stupid? Nope. Okay.

End of discussion.

 

[Wise Multishine]

The idea of aerial smash attacks scares me. If they are activated by using the C stick in the air, I can't see characters with this trait to be very viable. This trait could apply to Ridley if he's aerial based.

Hopefully they give you the choice of activating them with the C stick in the controller menu.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The idea of aerial smash attacks scares me. If they are activated by using the C stick in the air, I can't see characters with this trait to be very viable. This trait could apply to Ridley if he's aerial based.

I think they are stronger than normal smash attacks to compensate for clunky, it seems rather finicky

 

[True Blue Warrior]

From what I have been hearing, Ridley probably won't make it into Project M either.

To be fair, we don't really know about that. Whilst the team has considered Ridley to be challenging, they haven't outright said he is impossible. I'm sure they are capable of doing him.

 

[DraginHikari]

What's your explanation for Nintendo/Sakurai continuing to hide Ridley from pictures/additional footage after the Direct then? There's no legitimate excuse to do that if he isn't playable.

And don't tell me that he "isn't finished", that's questioning the competency of the SSB4 development team.

Yeah... I could think of a number of different reasons but I will only talk about a few but I don't want to be here all day so here it goes, it's just not many people are going to like them.

Why did they not show Ridley during the direct during the boss discussion? First of all, it could be very possible that Sakurai and his team wanted to show off the boss concept but for whatever reason decided not that they didn't want to actually show the bosses entirely so they went with Ridley which would be the easiest to recognize without showing him directly. Second it's possible it was mere dramatics and nothing else, the scene is an obvious play on the horrible monsters in the shadow display by tailing the other character, I admit the execution isn't particular great do to the upbeat nature of the direct but there you go. Another possibility is technical reasons and not for the 'isn't finished' reason you were talking about before. It could be very possible there were other kinds of issues with the Pyrosphere stage or even Ridley himself as it is something that happens because weird things do happen in programming a lot of the time, sometimes things that can happen last minute in a new implementation or alternative build. That doesn't make the team incompetent, it's just one of the more frustrating aspects of program development of any kind.

As far as since then, since Sakurai has mentioned almost nothing about the bosses outside of the Yellow Devil and the Emperor, Sakurai is simply not talking about them for whatever reason, prehaps he simply doesn't want to reveal them before the game is released. Same thing happened in Brawl if I recall right, Ridley's bosses appearance weren't known till after Brawls release. There is one other possibility I can think of but it's the possibility that no one here is going to like. It may just simply be that Sakurai and his team simply don't consider Ridley important enough to spent a time and detail to talk about in general, that they may simply not care enough to bother. For all of our luster and devotion for the character may mean jack squat beyond the role they chose for him to those actually making the game.

I don't want you to misunderstand, I do want Ridley in the game, but it's very hard for me to accept this notion that based on speculation that Sakurai was either lying or trolling without any actual evidence that he was and until something comes from the development team or Nintendo to suggest otherwise, I can't accept the speculation as some kind of fact or believe he's playable strictly from those notions..

 

[Smash_Handle69]

Has anyone actually translated the Japanese version of the shadow tease yet?

 

[JayJay55]

To be fair, we don't really know about that. Whilst the team has considered Ridley to be challenging, they haven't outright said he is impossible. I'm sure they are capable of doing him.

If the Project M team is capable then Sakurai's dev team most definitely is capable. I don't even understand why people even doubt Ridley's appearance not being "********" in the hands of PROFESSIONAL game designers.