Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Skyblade12]

Find it silly & unnecessary to nitpick something as trivial as the functionality of boss doors/statues in such an old game (only posted the image to correct someone who said that Ridley never had a statue), not that we even know who personally delivered the baby Metroid to Tourian, or if it just floated off there somehow after Ridley took it down to Zebes.

Silly, yes.

Unnecessary, no.

We need more levity in this thread.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wait, Remember when Peach floated in Palutena's trailer? Realized something again. The stage she floats on is PYROSPHERE

 

[The Legendary Beast]

Question, if Ridley looked like this in Smash bros would you be happy?

I think it's a good mix of classic Ridley with Other M Ridley. Perhaps make the wings a tad bit smaller.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Question, if Ridley looked like this in Smash bros would you be happy?

I think it's a good mix of classic Ridley with Other M Ridley. Perhaps make the wings a tad bit smaller.

We would already be happy that he is in the game! This possibility would make us so hyped, our heads will explode, so just in case, I'm grabbing a S flag

 

[Skyblade12]

Question, if Ridley looked like this in Smash bros would you be happy?

I think it's a good mix of classic Ridley with Other M Ridley. Perhaps make the wings a tad bit smaller.

The wings are at a very odd angle there. They are facing the camera too dead-on. They're also a little too hot-pink for my taste (that pic is eye-searing).

But the body itself is good.

 

[Gaxel]

I'd love it if Ridley could speak in the game like he can in the canon manga.

I'd LOVE it if he had his famous quote on his trailer...

"I will destroy you from this and every world"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'd love it if Ridley could speak in the game like he can in the canon manga.

I'd LOVE it if he had his famous quote on his trailer...

"I will destroy you from this and every world"

I thought his famous quote was GIMME DEM PWESENTS

 

[The Legendary Beast]

We would already be happy that he is in the game! This possibility would make us so hyped, our heads will explode, so just in case, I'm grabbing a S flag

Oh of course, but am I a bad person for not wanting Other M Ridley as much as classic Ridley? I can live with Other M Ridley but I'd rather a more classic look for Ridley.

Beggars can't be choosers I suppose.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh of course, but am I a bad person for not wanting Other M Ridley as much as classic Ridley? I can live with Other M Ridley but I'd rather a more classic look for Ridley.

Beggars can't be choosers I suppose.

I said our heads would explode of hype, I think that speaks for itself

 

[Gaxel]

Also, I think his best design is the manga one/Super Metroid one.

Manga one makes him look intelligent and smaller.

 

[Phaazoid]

I might need to go and find where I saw it, but I'm sure the implication was that the intro trailers were a replacement for any in the game, with the idea being that anything kept "secret" would be spoiled before release, and they'd prefer to release it in that manner. Maybe they are keeping some secret characters though.

It will be interesting, but secret characters or not, give it 48 hours after the Japanese release (or the moment the media embargo is over) and all the characters will be revealed.

I know that what you are speculating has not been definitively confirmed anywhere. But regardless, it's as you say, we'll know the entire roster regardless shortly after the Japanese version has been released, at the very latest.

 

[Skyblade12]

Also, I think his best design is the manga one/Super Metroid one.

Manga one makes him look intelligent and smaller.

Where can this manga be found online for viewing?

 

[AuraShaman]

Question, if Ridley looked like this in Smash bros would you be happy?

I think it's a good mix of classic Ridley with Other M Ridley. Perhaps make the wings a tad bit smaller.

I feel like his limbs need to be bulkier with spikes on them to truely be a mix of Brawley & Roidley.

Also, shanking tail... I just gotta love Roidley's shanking tail.

 

[BrigadeStuart]

Where can this manga be found online for viewing?

http://metroid.retropixel.net/features/comics/metroidmanga/

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That manga is great, showing the personalities of Samus and Ridley, without Sakamoto being crap! Strange that he made this. At least, that's what I heard

 

[Skyblade12]

That manga is great, showing the personalities of Samus and Ridley, without Sakamoto being crap! Strange that he made this. At least, that's what I heard

I don't think Sakamoto is solely to blame for this. Nor do I think a lot of the problems with Other M lie with his vision for her.

 

[Gaxel]

I don't think Sakamoto is solely to blame for this. Nor do I think a lot of the problems with Other M lie with his vision for her.

Well, in the manga she has PTSD as well;

Spoiler

she begs to be killed before Ridley comes to destroy her

Though, I've skipped through pages and idk the whole story.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't think Sakamoto is solely to blame for this. Nor do I think a lot of the problems with Other M lie with his vision for her.

The thing is, Sakomoto made a terrible plot with inconsistencies in the series, that he wrote for himself, he doesn't seem to know what to do with Metroid anyway

 

[Skyblade12]

I'm just going to post this in here again:

I think these guys analyze most of it right-on. Except that I don't think that all of the character traits Samus is given are necessarily bad things, so much as they are interesting ideas that are just executed horribly.

Sakomoto may have some great skills as a designer, and even a character creator. But that doesn't mean that he can just sit down and write a good story. Team Ninja certainly aren't the guys to pick up that slack.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

But that doesn't mean that he can just sit down and write a good story.

Don't you mean can't? Team Ninja may only care about physics, but they ONLY did graphics and gameplay

 

[ChronoBound]

I am curious. In the event Ridley is a boss in Smash 4 and not a playable character, what will be the plan of action going forward for other Ridley fans?

My personal plan is to get a massive movement going to get Ridley into Project M. The sad fact is that much of the Smash Bros. fanbase are sychophants for Sakurai, so if Sakurai believes Ridley is too big, much of the Smash Bros. fanbase will follow suit.

If that's the case, then we will be isolated as a fanbase. The proper way to dissuade is actual playable proof that a high-quality playable version of Ridley is indeed possible.

Unfortunately, the Project M team has said implementing Ridley would be extremely challenging, and that they would only consider it if there was an absolutely overwhelming amount of support for the character and Ridley fans themselves would likely need to join on the team (particularly quality animators are needed).

 

[Reila]

I don't think Sakamoto is solely to blame for this. Nor do I think a lot of the problems with Other M lie with his vision for her.

It does. Samus' characterization and the new characters are the reason Other M is the worst game in the series. The gameplay isn't even that bad.

I am curious. In the event Ridley is a boss in Smash 4 and not a playable character, what will be the plan of action going forward for other Ridley fans?

I would just give up. I don't play Smash mods, so Ridley being in Project M wouldn't mean much to me and if he isn't playable in Smash 4, I doubt he ever will.

 

[Skyblade12]

Don't you mean can't? Team Ninja may only care about physics, but they ONLY did graphics and gameplay

Reread my post. What I was saying was that being a good concept artist does not translate into being a good writer.

It does. Samus' characterization and the new characters are the reason Other M is the worst game in the series. The gameplay isn't even that bad.

I would just give up. I don't play Smash mods, so Ridley being in Project M wouldn't mean much to me and if he isn't playable in Smash 4, I doubt he ever will.

Well, I disagree on the gameplay, as I am not a huge fan of it. But I'm not sure that the concepts behind Other M were what killed it, so much as the implementation, poor storytelling, and the way some of those concepts were fleshed out.

For example, building Samus's relationship with Adam. That works for me, that's a good concept I'd like to see. Sakamoto had no clue how to actually WRITE that relationship building. But it's not a conceptual problem.

Samus's PTSD. Again, good idea, horribly executed. And that execution, combined with the way she's written elsewhere in the game, really just destroys her character.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Reread my post. What I was saying was that being a good concept artist does not translate into being a good writer.

I'm getting confused, I'm stated that the reason Sakamoto is getting the blame on the story is because he was the only one to work on it

 

[Skyblade12]

I'm getting confused, I'm stated that the reason Sakamoto is getting the blame on the story is because he was the only one to work on it

I've been saying that the problems with the story aren't Sakamoto's IDEA for the story, but rather Sakamoto's WRITING for the story.

Plus, while he may have written it, I'm pretty sure that the guys handling cutscene production had a fair say in it. His writing had to be tuned to the cutscenes and how they tend to convey things.

 

[TheWozny]

Also, I think his best design is the manga one/Super Metroid one.

Manga one makes him look intelligent and smaller.

Would you look at that; Ridley folding his wings up when not in use. Best part? It's a canon manga.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I've been saying that the problems with the story aren't Sakamoto's IDEA for the story, but rather Sakamoto's WRITING for the story.

Plus, while he may have written it, I'm pretty sure that the guys handling cutscene production had a fair say in it. His writing had to be tuned to the cutscenes and how they tend to convey things.

Wasn't Sakamoto the director though?

 

[ChronoBound]

So no other comments about a "Plan B" if Sakurai again shuts Ridley out of the playable roster?

 

[Skyblade12]

Wasn't Sakamoto the director though?

Sure. But that only gives him so much power. He has to ok storyboards and even the final concept, but I bet there was a lot of it that was out of his hands.

So no other comments about a "Plan B" if Sakurai again shuts Ridley out of the playable roster?

Torches and pitchforks?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So no other comments about a "Plan B" if Sakurai again shuts Ridley out of the playable roster?

Oh, didn't notice it! Then I think Sakurai would get a crapton of hate for creating false hype when he said he wouldn't

 

[Bedoop]

So no other comments about a "Plan B" if Sakurai again shuts Ridley out of the playable roster?

Immediately start the Ridley for Smash 5 thread and work our way back to 1500 Pages.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sure. But that only gives him so much power. He has to ok storyboards and even the final concept, but I bet there was a lot of it that was out of his hands.

Doesn't the director have full control? Like determining whenever a cutscene gets scrapped or not?

 

[Zhadgon]

I am curious. In the event Ridley is a boss in Smash 4 and not a playable character, what will be the plan of action going forward for other Ridley fans?

My personal plan is to get a massive movement going to get Ridley into Project M. The sad fact is that much of the Smash Bros. fanbase are sychophants for Sakurai, so if Sakurai believes Ridley is too big, much of the Smash Bros. fanbase will follow suit.

If that's the case, then we will be isolated as a fanbase. The proper way to dissuade is actual playable proof that a high-quality playable version of Ridley is indeed possible.

Unfortunately, the Project M team has said implementing Ridley would be extremely challenging, and that they would only consider it if there was an absolutely overwhelming amount of support for the character and Ridley fans themselves would likely need to join on the team (particularly quality animators are needed).

Maybe go with the DLC option? We could at least try.

.n_n.

 

[Skyblade12]

Doesn't the director have full control? Like determining whenever a cutscene gets scrapped or not?

Yes.

But that does oversimplify things. We don't know enough about Sakamoto's project management techniques to talk about this in too much detail, though.

He may have written the overall plot and scenes. He may have okayed the finished result. But the actually handling of the cutscene and dialogue within it was likely not in his direct control.

The problem there is that there are no solid professional writers involved directly. Sakamoto isn't one, nor are any of the guys on Team Ninja. Putting a bunch of amateurs together, even with a decent concept, is not going to turn out fantastic work. And Sakamoto may have been too close to the concept and designs to fully realize how badly it went.

 

[ChronoBound]

Immediately start the Ridley for Smash 5 thread and work our way back to 1500 Pages.

See my earlier post. Ridley has been among the most wanted newcomers for two games in a row, and even during the pre-Melee days he received a lot of requests. The fact of the matter is that the Ridley fanbase is going to be massively de-moralized this time around, considering there is absolutely no good excuse would not make it as a playable character this time around.

Just look at how much the amount of detractors for Ridley has grown compared to Brawl and Smash 4.

Outside of the Ridley fanbase, he will be seen as an impossible addition due to Sakurai shutting him out twice as a boss.

Its for this reason, that the only way for the Ridley fanbase to survive going forward is for the fans themselves to create a highly well-made playable version of Ridley. That way it can serve as definitive proof that Ridley can transition into Smash Bros. as a playable character.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

If Ridkey isn't in this game, I'd give up on the possibility of him being in any game. Thankfully he will be playable this time of course. Just look at all this teasing.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yes.

But that does oversimplify things. We don't know enough about Sakamoto's project management techniques to talk about this in too much detail, though.

He may have written the overall plot and scenes. He may have okayed the finished result. But the actually handling of the cutscene and dialogue within it was likely not in his direct control.

The problem there is that there are no solid professional writers involved directly. Sakamoto isn't one, nor are any of the guys on Team Ninja. Putting a bunch of amateurs together, even with a decent concept, is not going to turn out fantastic work. And Sakamoto may have been too close to the concept and designs to fully realize how badly it went.

Team Ninja isn't really a bunch of amateurs though from what I've heard...Oh well, let's not argue about a over-hated game

 

[Smash_Handle69]

I am curious. In the event Ridley is a boss in Smash 4 and not a playable character, what will be the plan of action going forward for other Ridley fans?

My personal plan is to get a massive movement going to get Ridley into Project M. The sad fact is that much of the Smash Bros. fanbase are sychophants for Sakurai, so if Sakurai believes Ridley is too big, much of the Smash Bros. fanbase will follow suit.

If that's the case, then we will be isolated as a fanbase. The proper way to dissuade is actual playable proof that a high-quality playable version of Ridley is indeed possible.

Unfortunately, the Project M team has said implementing Ridley would be extremely challenging, and that they would only consider it if there was an absolutely overwhelming amount of support for the character and Ridley fans themselves would likely need to join on the team (particularly quality animators are needed).

I completely agree with the idea of advocating Ridley for Project M, whether or not he makes it in to Smash 4. The problem is, of course, that if he's in Smash 4, there won't be that much of a demand for him, and if he isn't in Smash 4, the demand will be astronomical. He's definitely one of my top 3 character choices for Project M (the others being Isaac and Lyn, with Lyn being probably the most likely to make the cut, and probably the most interesting moveset), and if not him, then Dark Samus would be the second Metroid choice for me.

The biggest problems with Ridley are of course his model and animations. If he's proportioned incorrectly, he'll look crappy. If he's animated improperly, then he'll look and play crappy. Also, his moveset and other gameplay factors would also need to be made almost completely from scratch, concept-wise, which will not only take time to think up, but also take time to balance properly. This is most likely the reason he's being sidelined unless he gets a drastic boost in support.

 

[Skyblade12]

I'm having trouble even addressing the "what if he's not in-game" question.

Not only do I have a hard time envisioning him not making it in with everything he has going for him, but if Ridley wasn't included, it would massively warp my impression of not only Sakurai, but Nintendo as a whole.

I don't see them not including him, because to exclude Ridley after all the teasing they've done would just be a **** move. Even if Sakurai feels like trolling, I can't imagine that Nintendo's marketing team would let him troll this long and hard on an issue that they KNOW has this much demand.

If you want to know what to do if he's excluded, ask me once he is disconfirmed. Because I don't know what my views on Nintendo or Sakurai would be at that point, so I can't really answer you now.

Team Ninja isn't really a bunch of amateurs though from what I've heard...Oh well, let's not argue about a over-hated game

They are when it comes to storytelling.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

They are when it comes to storytelling.

Alright then, I was misinformed. Let's stop argueing about this game