Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[KuroganeHammer]

There was hardly an explanation. You gave us a pixelated mess and said "if you squint your eyes and wish on a star it might be Ridley!"

 

[Neo Zero]

Think I figured it out actually. The pixelated mess as Aerodrome put it has two wing like objects, and tints of yellow near the bottom

Not the exact frame, but I believe it's Battlefield. The mountains cover the wings, and it explains the yellow near the bottom.

Also, the the head is likely also a mountain.

 

[Morbi]

I thought that the pixelated mess was Charizard's blue palette swap.

 

[supercopper64]

Just so you know, the power MS Paint is what caused it to be a pixaltated mess. I was not going to go into any advanced software when people are calling my crap BS and JUST cause they say so means they are right, so if you are honestly interested in it, go zoom in on it correctly you self.

 

[Neo Zero]

Just so you know, the power MS Paint is what caused it to be a pixaltated mess. I was not going to go into any advanced software when people are calling my crap BS and JUST cause they say so means they are right, so if you are honestly interested in it, go zoom in on it correctly you self.

You're as stubborn as Ridley.

You'll fit right in here.

 

[Morbi]

Just so you know, the power MS Paint is what caused it to be a pixaltated mess. I was not going to go into any advanced software when people are calling my crap BS and JUST cause they say so means they are right, so if you are honestly interested in it, go zoom in on it correctly you self.

If that is the way you feel, why did you even bother bringing it up? Perhaps if you enhanced it correctly, people would not "call your crap BS." But that is just a theory.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

I thought that the pixelated mess was Charizard's blue palette swap.

No, it actually is Roy`s blue palette swap
...sorryforthat

 

[Neo Zero]

No, it actually is Roy`s blue palette swap
...sorryforthat

Thank you for that

Now I'm trying to think of a rhyming crowd chant for Ridley like Roy's our Boy.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

If that is the way you feel, why did you even bother bringing it up? Perhaps if you enhanced it correctly, people would not "call your crap BS." But that is just a theory.

Anything that has been "leaked" and contains Ridley recently has been called "BS" or "Fanboyism".
So we'd probably still call it BS anyway.

 

[Neo Zero]

I got it

Ridley ain't Diddley

Diddley:

• noun: a small worthless amount

 

[Morbi]

Thank you for that

Now I'm trying to think of a rhyming crowd chant for Ridley like Roy's our Boy.

Ridley is for Really.
Ridley Didley Doo.
Ridley, Scott.
What is the deally with Ridley?
Ridley in the Middley?

**** it. Let us just chant Ridley's our boy!

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Thank you for that

Now I'm trying to think of a rhyming crowd chant for Ridley like Roy's our Boy.

Well...i imagine it as a small crowd of Space Pirates in the background saying:
" *something that can`t be translated* Ridley *something that can`t be translated* "
That is rhyming crowd chant...right?

 

[supercopper64]

I don't even want ridley in the game, so why would I make it up

 

[Morbi]

Well...i imagine it as a small crowd of Space Pirates in the background saying:
" *something that can`t be translated* Ridley *something that can`t be translated* "
That is rhyming crowd chant...right?

I suppose "something that can't be translated" DOES rhyme with "something that can't be translated."

I don't even want ridley in the game, so why would I make it up

Because it is the internet.

 

[Neo Zero]

I don't even want ridley in the game, so why would I make it up

Just kidding, I can respect your opinion

 

[AndreaAC]

Well...i imagine it as a small crowd of Space Pirates in the background saying:
" *something that can`t be translated* Ridley *something that can`t be translated* "
That is rhyming crowd chant...right?

=u= Glad that I already drew something like your idea a while ago...

So....back to sleep....

 

[darksamus77]

Thank you for that

Now I'm trying to think of a rhyming crowd chant for Ridley like Roy's our Boy.

Ridley's our bid dream.

 

[NintenRob]

I can't wait to see Raccoon Ridley holding a star rod on a new Kirby stage.

 

[aldelaro5]

Earlier you were asking how the too big argument became so common, correct? While it's not the source of the argument, this video you find so laughable (for good reason) is, I think, one of the main reasons the too big argument became so prominent. Even though the logic used in that video is terrible, it spread quickly through those who watched it. People began to reference Shokio's video as the ultimate proof that Ridley could never be playable. It was definitely an important factor in making "Too Big" into the convoluted argument it is today.

You know, part of the reason I support Ridley is to prove once and for all how horrible that logic is.

I did hear negative things on it (that's why I only watched it now). The only reason I did watched it was because I just wrote why the argument itself is irrelevant and as I expected, this video proves what I said even further.

But that way of arguing, no I did not expect that. The fact that it became to a point where the video was entertaining is worth mentioning. Which actually makes it even worse because if what you said is true, about people using the same logic, then it would mean that not only the argument is dead but the way of explaining it is intentionally falsified. This isn't debates any more this is a court room because you would have to prove that the argument is using false fact AND that the argument doesn't holds any weight for anything.

It's very simple to do but the problem is that the people believed in that video. Logically, if anyone can believe such logic, how can anyone accept that it was all made up from wrong facts? It even got to the point where he ASSUMES belief so what do you think they would believe? That the only reason the supporter don't think that ridley is too big (not even mentioning that it doesn't matter), is that NES sprite. How honestly can anyone who take this as true facts can be proven wrong? Remember, if what you said is true, the people would think that the facts are right so they will argue with those.

This can be an endless flame war. What this video do is very dangerous because if people did believed into that, they won't even try to view the other side and that makes the worst possible debates. This video has so much thing wrong with it that if anyone didn't found anything odd (even without knowing about ridley), they won't understand where anyone would tell him that x thing is wrong.

So, no it's definitely not a troll video but rather the fuel needed for that little flame which is that argument to trigger any flame war when talking about his inclusion. It was made to start a belief which was based on forged, modified, incomplete, contradictory, inaccurately stated and propagandist evidences for the only purpose to start that belief.

I just want to know one thing though because that is very fascinating: does he even know exactly what he just did by uploading that? It's not smashboards here it's youtube which has a lot more visitors. It seems really obvious that for trolling, he seemed quite serious about that. Remember, he had to prepare his case which somehow did required work. Heck comparing ridley as relevant as goku or naruto should be obvious.

So, thanks for giving me an accurate representation of what people think. Now I know that it was based on luck (it happened that one person had to fuel that). If it didn't happen, this argument would've been here only some times and more proper one would've been discussed.

That still makes this thread the most unfortunate support thread I've ever seen. No one can top this and getting to 1k pages really means something you should be proud.

I can finally understands now why people wants him for the sake of bashing this video.

 

[Sølid]

That blurry image almost looks like Mega 'Zard X to me. But seems far more likely to be the Steel Diver trophy, of course.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

It looks like a bunch of blue squares to me.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

First of all, sorry about this being a qoute to something unrelated. I accidently clicked reply and couldn't undo it.
second,
I really don't understand where the "too big" mindset comes from, and that's coming from an ex toobigger. Honestly when I first heard the idea of Ridley being in smash, it was from my brother pre brawl, and I had never played a metroid game or heard Ridley requested for smash bros. and my first thought was "isn't he a little big for smash?" It wasn't until I played my first metroid game (Other M) please don't kill me and fought Ridley that I thought "wait, this is the guy I thought was so huge? He's not that big. Bowsers bigger than he is in sunshine." That's when I came around to the idea of Ridley being in smash. I have no idea why I thought Ridley was too big. I had never played a metroid game, and I had never heard "Ridley's too big" so there was no logical reason for me to conclude that Ridley was too big. It's like there's something supernatural about Ridley that makes people hate him for no reason.

When I first heard of Ridley, I saw it said that he was Samus' arch enemy, so my 9 year old self thought he had a power suit, now if only ONM gave me a screenshot

 

[darksamus77]

Nintendo is missing a marketing goldmine if he's not playable, as I said before. What little kid wouldn't see A DRAGON alongside Mario, Pikachu, and whatnot and be like, "MOMMY I WANT HIM CAN I KEEP HIM PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE?!"

I also just watched the Shokio video and I think I lost about 10 brain cells. Unresearched nonsense spewing from a bum who obviously just hates Ridley and their fans and wanted to rain on our parade because of his opinion. Hoo-rah. Why other fanbases are safe from such meticulous, ridiculous, and outlandish scrutiny and ridicule is beyond me. Even if I wasn't a huge Metroid fan I'd still want Ridley in because the detractors are mean and impossible to reason with.

 

[JaidynReiman]

When I first heard of Ridley, I saw it said that he was Samus' arch enemy, so my 9 year old self thought he had a power suit, now if only ONM gave me a screenshot

Lol. It is true that Ridley is Samus' arch-enemy, but arch-enemies don't have to fight with the same mechanics as their respective hero. Mario vs. Bowser, DK vs. K. Rool, Link vs. Ganondorf (although Ganondorf does use swords in a few variations), etc. ^^

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Lol. It is true that Ridley is Samus' arch-enemy, but arch-enemies don't have to fight with the same mechanics as their respective hero. Mario vs. Bowser, DK vs. K. Rool, Link vs. Ganondorf (although Ganondorf does use swords in a few variations), etc. ^^

keep in mind I was a stupid kid back in the day and you would know why, especially because I couldn't tell rival or arch enemy apart

I was looking at some pics then... WHAT?

If you look at the pic, I circled a poster in which seems to be Ridley! Well, let's take a closer look.... shall we?
View attachment 17549
As you can see, whatever it is, has a blueish color, has wings, and has a Ridleyish head. I would like to know, what do you think this is. I tried to talk about this on the WHobby (Japanese Everything) thread, but they pushed it off as spam, or bs, or trolling. Please tell me what YOU Think. Please examine pic before opinions.
P.S. This is not a troll, this might be something!
P.P.S The zoomed in pic does look like random pixels, but really look at it, then you will notice it, you know, zooming in does that.

That looks like Wily Castle's background

EDIT: Does this count as double posting? there was more than 30 minutes in between my posts?

 

[supercopper64]

I don't understand why EVERYONE is bashing me out for an honest mistake! Nobody knows for sure what it is, but why couldn't I maie an honest guess? People have told me to zoom in on it to prove it to you, and I did, now your calling it a pixalated mess! Zoom in on it yourself! I honestly don't care what you say, I can see the shape of ridley's body! Now my question.. why do you think that looks iike a stage or the trophy? I clearly see a dragon, even if it is pixalated. I am really disappointed at this community if a man can't have his own opinion before somebody starts ridiculeing him. I'm ashamed and you should be too. I agree on how you believe what you believe, but now why don't you agree with the the fact that I beieve that is Ridley. We all have different beliefs, but this world come to just plain arguing. If I'm the only one who sees Ridley in the pic, so be it, since NOBODY else sees it, it's not Ridley. Discussion Over, I respect you all.

 

[Neo Zero]

I just read something actually smart about Ridley on Gamefaqs. I know, miracles do happen.

Someone says Ridley would likely be one of the mirrored characters, to always ensure his wings are in the same spot in the background at all times (like how Bowser is facing the screen both ways, compared to Marth who turns around)

I don't understand why EVERYONE is bashing me out for an honest mistake! Nobody knows for sure what it is, but why couldn't I maie an honest guess? People have told me to zoom in on it to prove it to you, and I did, now your calling it a pixalated mess! Zoom in on it yourself! I honestly don't care what you say, I can see the shape of ridley's body! Now my question.. why do you think that looks iike a stage or the trophy? I clearly see a dragon, even if it is pixalated. I am really disappointed at this community if a man can't have his own opinion before somebody starts ridiculeing him. I'm ashamed and you should be too. I agree on how you believe what you believe, but now why don't you agree with the the fact that I beieve that is Ridley. We all have different beliefs, but this world come to just plain arguing. If I'm the only one who sees Ridley in the pic, so be it, since NOBODY else sees it, it's not Ridley. Discussion Over, I respect you all.

Going back to Aerodromes....somewhat less than nice counter post, your mind is seeing something, and then filling in the gaps itself, and it just so happens to be Ridley. You're basically assuming it's Ridley because you, nor anyone, can comprehend what it actually is. I don't even think someone could enhance the image enough to make it clear at all. Plus, the facts are why has no one else in the world commented on this "Ridley". If it was Ridley, even in Japan things would probably be blowing up on 2chan and such, no way only one camera would just happen to notice it.

Also, if that was Ridley, that wouldn't explain the color inconsistencies near the bottom of the screen, considering this would likely have to be an upper body zoomed in shot given the size of his "wings", that should mean the bottom should be blue to match the rest of his skin. It's to much space to be claws, let alone the positioning.

People are "bashing" you for two reasons. One, this is the internet, a good portion are trolls/jerks. The other reason is you keep posting about it, even after being infracted and warned, yet you just keep doing it, in the wrong spots, yelling at the top of your lungs the same thing to anyone who will listen. Anyway, that isn't Ridley, it can't be Ridley, it's impossible for numerous reasons to be Ridley. End of discussion

 

[BaganSmashBros]

If you want to say something else after already posting something, then just edit your last/latest message, @ Cutie Gwen .

supercopper64, there is nothing that can be done to zoom in in that image without turning it into a pixelated mess, so, it is not your fault.

I just read something actually smart about Ridley on Gamefaqs. I know, miracles do happen.

Someone says Ridley would likely be one of the mirrored characters, to always ensure his wings are in the same spot in the background at all times (like how Bowser is facing the screen both ways, compared to Marth who turns around)

SERIOUSLY?! Was it a Ridley supporter or not? If he wasn`t...then i am surprised...

Anyway, it sounds like a good idea to keep his wings in the background, but it would require extra animations.

 

[Neo Zero]

If you want to say something else after already posting something, then just edit your last/latest message, @ Cutie Gwen .

supercopper64, there is nothing that can be done to zoom in in that image without turning it into a pixelated mess, so, it is not your fault.


SERIOUSLY?! Was it a Ridley supporter or not? If he wasn`t...then i am surprised...

Anyway, it sounds like a good idea to keep his wings in the background, but it would require extra animations.

Wouldn't that require less animations? I mean you only have to do them facing one way, then just flip everything to go the other, like using the Flip Horizontal feature in Photoshop.

I'm sure it's not that easy, but you'd basically only have to plan one direct of animations rather than two.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I can't wait to see Raccoon Ridley holding a star rod on a new Kirby stage.

While riding Gogoat of course.

 

[Neo Zero]

While riding Gogoat of course.

While wearing the Screw Attack item.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Wouldn't that require less animations? I mean you only have to do them facing one way, then just flip everything to go the other, like using the Flip Horizontal feature in Photoshop.

I'm sure it's not that easy, but you'd basically only have to plan one direct of animations rather than two.

That is possible only in 2D games and causes a lot of problems with characters like Sagat. In 3D, it doesn`t works like that. All of those taunts where character turns to face the screen (in Brawl for example) use a separate animation. To make Ridley always have his wings in the backround, developers will need to create 1 extra animation for most default animation so he would go back to required position instead of suddenly facing other side at the end or/and start of those animations.
And it can`t require less animations anyway.

 

[Neo Zero]

That is possible only in 2D games and causes a lot of problems with characters like Sagat. In 3D, it doesn`t works like that. All of those taunts where character turns to face the screen (in Brawl for example) use a separate animation. To make Ridley always have his wings in the backround, developers will need to create 1 extra animation for most default animation.
And it can`t require less animations anyway.

I guess I meant less work, but huh, I guess that's a good point. Fair enough then

It's just a good thing Sakurai has already shown to be willing to put in the work.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

It's just a good thing Sakurai has already shown to be willing to put in the work.

By the way, is there a proof that Bowser always faces the screen?

 

[Neo Zero]

By the way, is there a proof that Bowser always faces the screen?

PotD update...uhh, a while ago. Some characters are facing the same way both ways cuz their backs are boring (Marth as I said is an exception, as I'd imagine any cape wearer would be)

 

[BaganSmashBros]

PotD update...uhh, a while ago. Some characters are facing the same way both ways cuz their backs are boring (Marth as I said is an exception, as I'd imagine any cape wearer would be)

Then we won`t have to worry about Ridley not facing the same way to keep his wings in the backround if developers did that with more than 1 character.
...and i kinda wish they kept Bowser`s Brawl size...or it is same size?

 

[Hong]

EDIT: Does this count as double posting? there was more than 30 minutes in between my posts?

Ayyup. I've fixed it this time, but next time you double post you are in Ridley trouble! >:O

Please understand.

 

[Neo Zero]

Ayyup. I've fixed it this time, but next time you double post you are in Ridley trouble! >:O

Please understand.

I wish Iwata was a moderator now

Is that Ridley trouble as his size, or Ridley trouble as in he'll be eaten by a giant space dragon

 

[Hong]

I wish Iwata was a moderator now

Is that Ridley trouble as his size, or Ridley trouble as in he'll be eaten by a giant space dragon

Well, @ KuroganeHammer about fits the latter description, so both?

You do know what happens to banned users, don't you?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

...and i kinda wish they kept Bowser`s Brawl size...or it is same size?

They're about the same size. New Bowser got told off by his chiropractor though so he stands up straighter.

Well, @ KuroganeHammer about fits the latter description, so both?

You do know what happens to banned users, don't you?

The Dragon of the mods? I can live with that.