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The Post-Ultimate Mega Smash Poll -The 1,010 Vote Result Bonanza!

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Okay guys... Let's have a quick discussion about these results.
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Of the top 21 characters, which characters do you think actually have a shot of being included in a new game? Any characters you think have no shot?

Which one do you think is the most likely?
Analysis got a bit beefy here so I'm putting it in spoiler tags so people don't have to scroll through the massive wall of text that it became.
Bandana Waddle Dee and Dixie Kong I think are the absolute most likely (non-clone) characters to get in next game, if we somehow don't get one of these two, or hell, end up with neither, I would be extremely shocked and honestly dissapointed. If I only had to pick one as THE most likely character I'd probably give an edge to Bandee, if nothing else because DK got a character last game and Kirby didn't, but either way I think we're seeing both and I for one welcome their inclusion. Even in a universe where they didn't have the vocal support-bases they do now, they're also some of the last missing Nintendo All-Stars and both come from largely overlooked series that in the former's case hasn't seen a playable rep in over 15 years and the latter basically only got a playable rep (and its first Assist Trophy) for its extra content last game.

Funky I'm a bit more uncertain of. He's certainly got the support needed, but the role people want to see of him is mostly that of an Echo Fighter, which I would wager is unfitting of the character's potential and how much he differs from DK in mannerisms and abilities. DK as a series is certainly one that is both worthy and able to get multiple unique newcomers, but such a thing is never as safe of a prediction as a single character would be, and I think other series like Kirby (which has equally been neglected for newcomers in the past, yet unlike DK never saw a newcomer in Ultimate) and Splatoon (which is incredibly popular and still fresh in the Smash scene with only one rep) may be more likely to see multiple newcomers if we are to get series with more than one new rep. Not to mention, at least as far as being a completely original newcomer would be concerned, he does see decent competition from Cranky Kong, who while less popular in the polls does have iconicity and importance to the series on his side.

Waluigi is in a bit of a weird spot. He's certainly one of the most well known Nintendo newcomers they could include and would absolutely be well received by most should he see his inclusion in the next game, but I question Sakurai's willingness to include the character. He knows Waluigi is wanted and has known this for years, yet even when all the other big hitters like Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo saw themselves playable in Ultimate, Waluigi (and Geno, but he's Square Enix and they're weird) saw himself in no different of a position as he saw himself two games prior.

Tom Nook surprises me to see this high, not because it doesn't feel right, because he's absolutely in the same 'Nintendo All-Stars' camp as Dixie and Bandana Dee, but moreso because I don't really see all too much talk about him as a newcomer compared to a lot of the other characters here. I think I honestly saw more of Tom Nook in Brawl/For speculation than in spec for this upcoming game, though, as someone who is fond of the character, it's good to know that he's got a large support base (though I'm admittedly more on the K.K. Slider train as far as my preferred third Animal Crossing rep goes). As far as his actual chances go, I think it's a 50/50, not a matter of whether AC geta a new rep but moreso just who it ends up being between him and the other major characters of the series.

Ashley's great, not got much to say on her standing here but I like Wario games and I like spoopy occult stuff so I can't complain. Hope she gets in. Chances are... I'd say about 50/50.

Krystal's the first one here who I concretely think is more likely to not be included than she is to see herself in the game. She's popular but Star Fox isn't really an active series, nor is it exactly famished for representation compared to its size. I guess if we get a particularly large number of newcomers next time around it's certainly possible, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Isaac and Chibi Robo... you poor things. If anyone here is getting done dirty it's probably you two, Ring Fit's probably next in line to get a new rep if it isn't considered part of the Wii Fit series, and I think most future Smash games are going to be too focused on adding to the series that already exist (there's a ton of them on the roster as it is and a good number are still active.) compared to repping new ones. (which will still largely happen with Third Party characters instead in future IMO) I can still see Isaac getting in soon if his support base becomes even more vocal but I think Chibi Robo's cooked honestly, unless his series comes back or Sakurai specifically looks for a 2000s era series to add to the roster next game, (which even then Rhythm Heaven and Golden Sun would probably have him beat, and there's stiff competition for the series against Fossil Fighters, Advance Wars, and the like for who's in third place.)

Octoling is happening in some form 100% and will probably be a semiclone of some variety. Now, personally, I'm not that interested in seeing them, especially not compared to other potential Splatoon characters, would honestly rather DJ Octavio or something, but I've come to accept that they're coming and I hope it's just in a way that represents new and interesting mechanics from the series rather than just being an echo.

Raven Beak is so based as a pick but Metroid's not really in need of any more newcomers currently so I think people inflate his chances. As far as potential villains go he is high up there for representing more modern titles, but it's kind of hard to ignore the fact there are still other series like Kirby, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Pikmin, and Splatoon that completely lack villain rep entirely that may be better to prioritize over a third Metroid villain. There's also a matter of Prime 4 and Sylux, which depending on timing could throw another massive wrench in Raven Beak's chances of being included. This aside, out of the all the top 21 he's absolutely the one I'd be most excited for (with Dee as a close second), so I really hope my gut is wrong about this.
TL;DR, do I think he's coming? probably not honestly. Do I want him? Y E S.

Paper Mario's a good call honestly but I think Waluigi would be prioritized due to fan demand if only a single Mario rep is to be included. Though, Ultimate aside, Mario reps usually come in pairs, so it's certainly still possible.

Now for the Zelda block. And. as much of a hot take as this is, I think Impa is the least likely of the three. A character with basically no consistent identity in the series, Impa shows up as younger athletic type in some games, an elderly woman in others, and in the Oracle games she was completely different to either (honestly wouldn't mind her appearing like that again in another TLoZ game TBH, but that's neither here nor there.) She's just very difficult to include in a way that represents every side of her character, which I honestly also think is a major factor as to why she hasn't already shown up. Though I do think a stance change fighter where she swaps from young to old would be extremely funny, if a bit disingenuous to the character usually being a different incarnation in most games. Skull Kid/Majora and Midna only really show up in one game each, but they have much more consistent characterization that's easier to weave into a single fighter, and both also have models that can be spruced up for a fighter appearance, SK even has the Moon asset they can repurpose for a Final Smash.

From one block straight into another we have the Kid Icarus bunch and yeah I don't see any of these happening next game, Medusa could theoretically be an Echo fighter but even then there's a plethora of echoes who'd likely have precedence for one reason or another, so she ends up no more or less likely than a unique fighter IMO. Hades is a fun antagonist but even if Kid Icarus does get a revival it's difficult to say if he'll actually be the main antagonist again or if they'll pick a different grecoroman figure instead. I think Viridi is the safest bet for a new slot solely for being the last of the PG trio to need to be added, and from what I understand of the series, the most likely to have a major role if a new game does come around.

Noah and/or Mio I could see, probably the former if only one, due to wielding a sword and being the protagonist of the game. Maybe they could stance change like Pyra and Mythra or the Pokemon Trainer Trio? I know they aren't exactly as physically connected as those guys but there's certainly no harm in adding more characters with multiple forms, dev time aside. More Xenoblade in general isn't guaranteed, but it wouldn't hurt, and would probably be much better received by the community than certain other swordie-protag series that are admittedly much likely to get new characters based on antecedent additions.

They are 99% going to add the most recent FE protagonist of the time, whether it be Alear or whoever comes next, and that's it (and 1% not add anyone new at all). Lyn is almost certainly staying as an assist trophy, unless they really shake up how Fire Emblem rep works next game. If I had to bet one just one of these not getting in, it's her.

BONUS:
Would be shocked if they didn't happen:
Octoling
Bandana Dee
Dixie Kong
Waluigi


Certainly Possible:
Tom Nook
Noah
Paper Mario
Ashley
Funky Kong
Mio


Maaybe:
Midna
Skull Kid
Raven Beak
Impa


Unlikely:
Isaac
Krystal
Viridi


Oof:
Medusa
Hades
Chibi Robo
Lyn
Captain Toad, Cranky Kong, Magolor, K.K. Slider, Sylux, Geno, Oatchi, Louie, Marx, and Twintelle all have somewhat decent chances (i.e. would make it to at least Yellow on the above tldr chart.) for various factors, and could very easily be included come next game. Might delve into why if people are curious, though as it's not the question being asked here I'll leave it out for the time being.
 

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Analysis got a bit beefy here so I'm putting it in spoiler tags so people don't have to scroll through the massive wall of text that it became.
Bandana Waddle Dee and Dixie Kong I think are the absolute most likely (non-clone) characters to get in next game, if we somehow don't get one of these two, or hell, end up with neither, I would be extremely shocked and honestly dissapointed. If I only had to pick one as THE most likely character I'd probably give an edge to Bandee, if nothing else because DK got a character last game and Kirby didn't, but either way I think we're seeing both and I for one welcome their inclusion. Even in a universe where they didn't have the vocal support-bases they do now, they're also some of the last missing Nintendo All-Stars and both come from largely overlooked series that in the former's case hasn't seen a playable rep in over 15 years and the latter basically only got a playable rep (and its first Assist Trophy) for its extra content last game.

Funky I'm a bit more uncertain of. He's certainly got the support needed, but the role people want to see of him is mostly that of an Echo Fighter, which I would wager is unfitting of the character's potential and how much he differs from DK in mannerisms and abilities. DK as a series is certainly one that is both worthy and able to get multiple unique newcomers, but such a thing is never as safe of a prediction as a single character would be, and I think other series like Kirby (which has equally been neglected for newcomers in the past, yet unlike DK never saw a newcomer in Ultimate) and Splatoon (which is incredibly popular and still fresh in the Smash scene with only one rep) may be more likely to see multiple newcomers if we are to get series with more than one new rep. Not to mention, at least as far as being a completely original newcomer would be concerned, he does see decent competition from Cranky Kong, who while less popular in the polls does have iconicity and importance to the series on his side.

Waluigi is in a bit of a weird spot. He's certainly one of the most well known Nintendo newcomers they could include and would absolutely be well received by most should he see his inclusion in the next game, but I question Sakurai's willingness to include the character. He knows Waluigi is wanted and has known this for years, yet even when all the other big hitters like Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo saw themselves playable in Ultimate, Waluigi (and Geno, but he's Square Enix and they're weird) saw himself in no different of a position as he saw himself two games prior.

Tom Nook surprises me to see this high, not because it doesn't feel right, because he's absolutely in the same 'Nintendo All-Stars' camp as Dixie and Bandana Dee, but moreso because I don't really see all too much talk about him as a newcomer compared to a lot of the other characters here. I think I honestly saw more of Tom Nook in Brawl/For speculation than in spec for this upcoming game, though, as someone who is fond of the character, it's good to know that he's got a large support base (though I'm admittedly more on the K.K. Slider train as far as my preferred third Animal Crossing rep goes). As far as his actual chances go, I think it's a 50/50, not a matter of whether AC geta a new rep but moreso just who it ends up being between him and the other major characters of the series.

Ashley's great, not got much to say on her standing here but I like Wario games and I like spoopy occult stuff so I can't complain. Hope she gets in. Chances are... I'd say about 50/50.

Krystal's the first one here who I concretely think is more likely to not be included than she is to see herself in the game. She's popular but Star Fox isn't really an active series, nor is it exactly famished for representation compared to its size. I guess if we get a particularly large number of newcomers next time around it's certainly possible, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Isaac and Chibi Robo... you poor things. If anyone here is getting done dirty it's probably you two, Ring Fit's probably next in line to get a new rep if it isn't considered part of the Wii Fit series, and I think most future Smash games are going to be too focused on adding to the series that already exist (there's a ton of them on the roster as it is and a good number are still active.) compared to repping new ones. (which will still largely happen with Third Party characters instead in future IMO) I can still see Isaac getting in soon if his support base becomes even more vocal but I think Chibi Robo's cooked honestly, unless his series comes back or Sakurai specifically looks for a 2000s era series to add to the roster next game, (which even then Rhythm Heaven and Golden Sun would probably have him beat, and there's stiff competition for the series against Fossil Fighters, Advance Wars, and the like for who's in third place.)

Octoling is happening in some form 100% and will probably be a semiclone of some variety. Now, personally, I'm not that interested in seeing them, especially not compared to other potential Splatoon characters, would honestly rather DJ Octavio or something, but I've come to accept that they're coming and I hope it's just in a way that represents new and interesting mechanics from the series rather than just being an echo.

Raven Beak is so based as a pick but Metroid's not really in need of any more newcomers currently so I think people inflate his chances. As far as potential villains go he is high up there for representing more modern titles, but it's kind of hard to ignore the fact there are still other series like Kirby, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Pikmin, and Splatoon that completely lack villain rep entirely that may be better to prioritize over a third Metroid villain. There's also a matter of Prime 4 and Sylux, which depending on timing could throw another massive wrench in Raven Beak's chances of being included. This aside, out of the all the top 21 he's absolutely the one I'd be most excited for (with Dee as a close second), so I really hope my gut is wrong about this.
TL;DR, do I think he's coming? probably not honestly. Do I want him? Y E S.

Paper Mario's a good call honestly but I think Waluigi would be prioritized due to fan demand if only a single Mario rep is to be included. Though, Ultimate aside, Mario reps usually come in pairs, so it's certainly still possible.

Now for the Zelda block. And. as much of a hot take as this is, I think Impa is the least likely of the three. A character with basically no consistent identity in the series, Impa shows up as younger athletic type in some games, an elderly woman in others, and in the Oracle games she was completely different to either (honestly wouldn't mind her appearing like that again in another TLoZ game TBH, but that's neither here nor there.) She's just very difficult to include in a way that represents every side of her character, which I honestly also think is a major factor as to why she hasn't already shown up. Though I do think a stance change fighter where she swaps from young to old would be extremely funny, if a bit disingenuous to the character usually being a different incarnation in most games. Skull Kid/Majora and Midna only really show up in one game each, but they have much more consistent characterization that's easier to weave into a single fighter, and both also have models that can be spruced up for a fighter appearance, SK even has the Moon asset they can repurpose for a Final Smash.

From one block straight into another we have the Kid Icarus bunch and yeah I don't see any of these happening next game, Medusa could theoretically be an Echo fighter but even then there's a plethora of echoes who'd likely have precedence for one reason or another, so she ends up no more or less likely than a unique fighter IMO. Hades is a fun antagonist but even if Kid Icarus does get a revival it's difficult to say if he'll actually be the main antagonist again or if they'll pick a different grecoroman figure instead. I think Viridi is the safest bet for a new slot solely for being the last of the PG trio to need to be added, and from what I understand of the series, the most likely to have a major role if a new game does come around.

Noah and/or Mio I could see, probably the former if only one, due to wielding a sword and being the protagonist of the game. Maybe they could stance change like Pyra and Mythra or the Pokemon Trainer Trio? I know they aren't exactly as physically connected as those guys but there's certainly no harm in adding more characters with multiple forms, dev time aside. More Xenoblade in general isn't guaranteed, but it wouldn't hurt, and would probably be much better received by the community than certain other swordie-protag series that are admittedly much likely to get new characters based on antecedent additions.

They are 99% going to add the most recent FE protagonist of the time, whether it be Alear or whoever comes next, and that's it (and 1% not add anyone new at all). Lyn is almost certainly staying as an assist trophy, unless they really shake up how Fire Emblem rep works next game. If I had to bet one just one of these not getting in, it's her.

BONUS:
Would be shocked if they didn't happen:
Octoling
Bandana Dee
Dixie Kong
Waluigi


Certainly Possible:
Tom Nook
Noah
Paper Mario
Ashley
Funky Kong
Mio


Maaybe:
Midna
Skull Kid
Raven Beak
Impa


Unlikely:
Isaac
Krystal
Viridi


Oof:
Medusa
Hades
Chibi Robo
Lyn
Captain Toad, Cranky Kong, Magolor, K.K. Slider, Sylux, Geno, Oatchi, Louie, Marx, and Twintelle all have somewhat decent chances (i.e. would make it to at least Yellow on the above tldr chart.) for various factors, and could very easily be included come next game. Might delve into why if people are curious, though as it's not the question being asked here I'll leave it out for the time being.
I am actually curious as to why you think Twintelle (or any new ARMS rep) is particularly likely.
 

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I am actually curious as to why you think Twintelle (or any new ARMS rep) is particularly likely.
I think they might want to go for a good number of Switch era newcomers next time around (especially considering ultimate didn't have a chance to add too many with the whole everyone is here thing taking precedence.), and given Arms was a decently successful game fairly early into the console's lifecycle where it wasn't quite the biggest console around, and there's definitely still more arm mechanics they can pull from it, I could see a second character being a possibility, especially if a sequel to the game is being planned or considered internally.

That being said I do think it's anyone's game, and just mentioned her as she's the arms rep that made it onto the top 50.
 

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Okay guys... Let's have a quick discussion about these results.
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Of the top 21 characters, which characters do you think actually have a shot of being included in a new game? Any characters you think have no shot?

Which one do you think is the most likely?
From those 21, I personally feel like Dixie Kong, Isaac, Skull Kid, Octoling, Raven Beak, Bandana Waddle Dee, Paper Mario, Noah & Impa should be in the next game as playable characters. Didn't include Waluigi because I feel like they'll prioritize someone like Pauline first. The characters that I picked are combo of fan-favorites, recents and easy to create (echoes or semi clones for the likes of Dixie Kong, Octoling & Impa).

I feel like it's too early for Funky Kong. Tom Nook would be nice, but I see the others I listed as being high priority. Krystal & Ashley are part of series that aren't popular enough but at least they have ATs. Now is not the time for another KI character. Chibi-Robo is not popular enough in my opinion. I feel like the ship has sailed for Midna & Lyn. Love the fact that most of these characters are already represented in Smash in some significant way, so at least their strength in Smash polls is recognized in some way.
 

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Okay guys... Let's have a quick discussion about these results.
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Of the top 21 characters, which characters do you think actually have a shot of being included in a new game? Any characters you think have no shot?

Which one do you think is the most likely?
I think Octoling is basically guaranteed to be playable in a brand new Smash game, whether it’s as an alternate costume, echo fighter, or a “unique” fighter, I don’t think I need to explain why.

The likeliness of the other characters depends on how many Nintendo characters they plan to add. We didn’t get that many in Ultimate, so I wonder if we will get significantly more, a little more or god forbid less this time around.

Bandana Waddle Dee seems like the most obvious new character to add, he’s one of the most desired characters for many years now, he has firmly cemented himself as the next most important Kirby character, and the series is big enough to warrant more characters, if he doesn’t make it at this point it’s going to be hard arguing against the Sakurai bias accusations. Maybe other Kirby characters would be more desirable in terms of moveset potential, but I think BWD’s presence and demand are too big to ignore any longer.

It makes sense for Xenoblade to go down the Fire Emblem route of a new character to represent the newest title. I think Noah or Mio will most likely be in the next game, but I’m not confident in which one.

I know he only placed 4th in this poll, but Waluigi is probably the most desired Nintendo character to be playable, it makes a lot of sense to add him, and I think the only thing that may hold him back at this point is competition with other notable Mario characters like Toad/Toadette, Paper Mario, and Geno, it’s hard to say for sure who they’d go for, though I expect at least one of the Mario characters I mentioned to be playable next game, I’m hoping we get two.

Like I said I think Paper Mario has a good chance, but has tough competition with other Mario character, but I think what sets him apart from the others is being the main character of a consistent and long standing series
that shows no signs of stopping, having a character represent such a series makes a lot of sense to me, and he definitely has a lot of potential for a unique moveset.

Dixie Kong should have been added to Smash a long time ago, she starred in two classic games that sold several million copies each, one of which she was the titular character of, like cmon. Despite the lack of new DK games Nintendo has been pushing the DK IP with the Mario movie, LEGO sets and the Super Nintendo World DKC expansion, all of which Dixie was featured in in some way, she seems to have a future (Nintendo has also been featuring their female characters in larger roles lately), and with her being a long requested character who could be a Diddy semi clone (not an echo fighter, I will die on that hill) to lower development time, I think she has a good chance.

Funky has similar benefits to Dixie, with the main benefit of being an obvious echo fighter candidate, the main thing they would need to do is adjust the size of DK’s model and have him stand upright, I basically imagine the difference being like Brawl Bowser and Ultimate Bowser. That said I think the only way he makes into the next game is as an echo fighter.

If they want to add more Nintendo IPs to the roster Isaac makes sense, but I he’ll have completion with Ring Fit and Rhythm Heaven. The main thing holding him back is the lack of new games, but maybe Sakurai will consider GBA characters as eligible for a retro revival character slot, GBA is now a decade older than the Famicom was when Ice Climbers were added. Maybe it’s cope, but I think his best chance is being added as a “retro” character.

Ashley would be cool, she’s quite popular, she could have an interesting mage like moveset, and we are still getting Warioware games, but I can’t imagine her being a high priority.

Tom Nook could be an echo fighter at best, but for some reason I’m not expecting it. I dunno, I feel like we got what we needed from Animal Crossing, the series is not action oriented, no need to overdo it in the playable fighter department, that’s just my view of it, I could be very wrong.

We just got a brand new fighter and an echo fighter
from Metroid, I think the series is well represented, and I don’t expect any more, especially when the next best option is a one off character. Maybe Sylux can be DLC if he’s turns out to be a really stand out character, but even that I doubt.

I do not expect new characters from niche dormant series like Kid Icarus or Starfox, they have enough characters as it is, and I’d expect one cut character from these series before a new one.

I’m not expecting a FE character, I think Lyn has unfortunately missed the boat for good, and it doesn’t seem necessary to represent FE Engage with a new character when every playable FE character in Smash has a prominent role in Engage, plus people are sick of the series getting so many new characters, and they know it.

Finally we have Chibi-Robo, god I love Chibi-Robo so much, the original game is so so so special to me, and I love the character and the potential he would bring as a fighter… it’s not happening.

I am a bit surprised by the lack of Ring Fit Trainee, I think she is one of if not the most likely newcomer at this point, game sold very well, plenty of potential for a moveset… Ring Fit is one of the first 5 games represented in that freakin alarm clock they just put out, I’ll be shocked if they aren’t in the next game.

Also I expect a Gen 10 Pokémon, but I understand why no one voted for Pokemon that basically don’t exist yet.
 
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So... I'm running into a problem.

I'm trying to give each third party franchise a fair shake like I did for the first party franchises. But this is becoming much longer than I anticipated.

The poll is becoming huge. Some of these franchises have a ludicrous amount of characters. Mega Man took FIVE WHOLE PAGES because I wanted to give every sub series a fair shake. My document of names is 17 pages long and I haven't done Final Fantasy, Persona, Castlevania, Fatal Fury, Minecraft, Tekken or Kingdom Hearts yet.

Some of these like Minecraft and Tekken will be easy, and thanks to Perkilator Perkilator I have a good start for the Final Fantasy list, but this is already becoming huge.

I did try for a break and start listing up new franchises for third party franchises but I'm running into similar issues. The sheer amount of IP is absurd and the amount of characters I want to include are absurd. For new IP I may have to downsize.

I'm considering splitting this up into two sections. One for already represented IP and one for brand new IP. It may fracture results even more, but if I don't, I may push people away with the sheer size of the poll.

Regardless, I'm going to focus on Final Fantasy next. That and Castlevania are the only ones left that I predict could be difficult.
 

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So... I'm running into a problem.

I'm trying to give each third party franchise a fair shake like I did for the first party franchises. But this is becoming much longer than I anticipated.

The poll is becoming huge. Some of these franchises have a ludicrous amount of characters. Mega Man took FIVE WHOLE PAGES because I wanted to give every sub series a fair shake. My document of names is 17 pages long and I haven't done Final Fantasy, Persona, Castlevania, Fatal Fury, Minecraft, Tekken or Kingdom Hearts yet.

Some of these like Minecraft and Tekken will be easy, and thanks to Perkilator Perkilator I have a good start for the Final Fantasy list, but this is already becoming huge.

I did try for a break and start listing up new franchises for third party franchises but I'm running into similar issues. The sheer amount of IP is absurd and the amount of characters I want to include are absurd. For new IP I may have to downsize.

I'm considering splitting this up into two sections. One for already represented IP and one for brand new IP. It may fracture results even more, but if I don't, I may push people away with the sheer size of the poll.

Regardless, I'm going to focus on Final Fantasy next. That and Castlevania are the only ones left that I predict could be difficult.
I think your best bet for brand new IPs is to limit things to one, maybe two or three characters per IP, with the only real exceptions being series that cycle out protagonists like FF or Persona do. I think it would be impractical to dig deep character-wise for guest series that don't even have one fighter on the roster yet--the only new IPs that I think should have multiple characters listed on the poll are ones where said characters would likely be actively competing for the spot; think the difference between situations like Tales, Resident Evil, Team Fortress where there are multiple potential options for someone to frontline the series in Smash, versus situations like Bomberman, Crash Bandicoot, Ninja Gaiden, Puyo Puyo where it is very clear who would be added to represent the whole IP.
Overall, with how deep the pool is for potential guest series, if I were you, I'd prioritize having a wide variety of series covered over trying to go in-depth with secondary and tertiary character choices that would absolutely have to wait in line in favor of their series' main character(s).
 

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So... I'm running into a problem.

I'm trying to give each third party franchise a fair shake like I did for the first party franchises. But this is becoming much longer than I anticipated.

The poll is becoming huge. Some of these franchises have a ludicrous amount of characters. Mega Man took FIVE WHOLE PAGES because I wanted to give every sub series a fair shake. My document of names is 17 pages long and I haven't done Final Fantasy, Persona, Castlevania, Fatal Fury, Minecraft, Tekken or Kingdom Hearts yet.

Some of these like Minecraft and Tekken will be easy, and thanks to Perkilator Perkilator I have a good start for the Final Fantasy list, but this is already becoming huge.

I did try for a break and start listing up new franchises for third party franchises but I'm running into similar issues. The sheer amount of IP is absurd and the amount of characters I want to include are absurd. For new IP I may have to downsize.

I'm considering splitting this up into two sections. One for already represented IP and one for brand new IP. It may fracture results even more, but if I don't, I may push people away with the sheer size of the poll.

Regardless, I'm going to focus on Final Fantasy next. That and Castlevania are the only ones left that I predict could be difficult.
I think it would be best to do the old a new separately. I'd offer you some help but I have no idea what to do. best I could do is to come up with a list of Kh characters
 

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Honestly there might be value is just going a couple of separate timed polls just for the major third parties and then perhaps doing a general pool for those remaining later.

Konami, Capcom, Square Enix, Bandai-Namco, the sub-publishers of Microsoft? Those are big enough by themselves let alone the countless other ones that might get easily lost in gigantic vote. The problem of course is then trying compare data from fan vote to another (and if you then do a final combined poll for all the notable winners in the previous ones), but it's gonna be tricky either way.
 

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If I were to throw my hat into the ring:
  1. If a series with fighters has multiple sub-series like Mega Man and Final Fantasy, it might be worth cutting out a few characters. Trying to cover everyone is respectable, but if Mega Man alone takes five whole pages, it might be impractical to cover that many characters. Focus on the fighters that are already prominently featured in media or are beloved by the fans; Nobody's gonna fault you if you leave out the final boss of an obscure Japan-only Game Boy spinoff title. Like NintenRob NintenRob suggested, a write-in section for characters not covered could also fill in some gaps
  2. Focus on a select few main main characters for unrepresented series, and organize them by the company that owns them; So, Contra would likely only warrant Bill and Lance, Bomberman would only be represented by the titular Bomberman (Unless there's a second main character I haven't heard about), etc.
  3. If you want to cover popular indies, it might be worth having a generalized "indie" page, since most indie companies only have a small handful of titles to their name
 

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I wonder if Elma would beat Noah and/or Mio with this news.

I mean, probably not, but I imagine she'd be more popular.
I’m not sure Elma would be more popular. I’m pretty sure even Elma using twin swords is less interesting for people than Mio’s twin rings, which are more distinct, or even other competition for twin sword users in FR Rex.

In a more general term, I think we’d need to see how sales go.

Both XC1DE and XC3 have sold just under 2 million units from the most recent update in sales figures. XC2 has sold 2.7 million units, the best selling game in the series.

Will XCXDE sell much more, or much less?

If it sells less, we may see future XC entries look back to XC2 for what ‘worked better’ for consumers, such as designs, which feels a bit odd to say.

If it sells on par with the main series, then we’ll probably see more sci-fi in the series.
 

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I’m not sure Elma would be more popular. I’m pretty sure even Elma using twin swords is less interesting for people than Mio’s twin rings, which are more distinct, or even other competition for twin sword users in FR Rex.

In a more general term, I think we’d need to see how sales go.

Both XC1DE and XC3 have sold just under 2 million units from the most recent update in sales figures. XC2 has sold 2.7 million units, the best selling game in the series.

Will XCXDE sell much more, or much less?

If it sells less, we may see future XC entries look back to XC2 for what ‘worked better’ for consumers, such as designs, which feels a bit odd to say.

If it sells on par with the main series, then we’ll probably see more sci-fi in the series.
To be fair she does have two guns also. She wouldn't be the first with multiple guns (:ultbayonetta:)but it's worth noting.

Regardless, I think it's too early to tell until after XCXDE releases. That's what's going to draw in more fans; The trailer's just to get people interested
 

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This is gonna sound really weird.

But does anyone have any knowledge of Minecraft Story Mode?
 

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This is gonna sound really weird.

But does anyone have any knowledge of Minecraft Story Mode?
All I know is that the main character is named Jesse, and that's only because I've seen people suggest them as an opponent for Emmet from The Lego Movie that Death Battle could do.
 

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I ask because I'm trying to get the main characters of that game in the poll.
As far as I'm aware Jesse is the main character and likely the one character who'd get suggested. I suppose you could also check the voice cast on the wiki and list off Jesse's friends (And possibly the arc villains?) But I dunno how many would really be feasible
 
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