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The end of it can be CC'd.
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watch good players play against her and try to figure out what they do against her. Nair or dair her dins fire everytime she sends one your way. If you do, you'll have the frame advantage. Don't jab them, just hit them with one of the two moves I said. She isn't gonna be able to punish that. If she's far away from the edge and throws a dins at the edge, she's going to up B right to it. zhime and other top Zelda's do it all the time. Her bair is stupid. It's basically falcon's knee, but for girls. His knee comes out around frame 14 and her kick comes out around frame 8. Her stupid ass crystals thing is intangible for a bit of time, not the whole time, but still. It also auto cancels when you land on the ground. Learn the Di for her throws and the combos that work on her.I need help with the Zelda match up can you peoples help with dat
well it seems like it can be at least until mid %s (knocks down another Mario with true CC at 65%, would work much earlier on others.)
No. There will always be better options than Down B. Playing enough Mario will make that readily apparent.
Cape projectiles, get her into the air, Bair edgeguards.
I think imma try being aggressive on the ground and when I get her into the air, I'll just DD around the area where she should land or just do some really aggressive crap like a buncha sh. I would go for follow ups, but you just get nair'd for it. I hate not being able to follow up :/
I would say, it depends on what you feel like you struggle with the most. For me, Wolf covers me nicely, but spacies aren't for everyone. So, say what you feel like you struggle with and your style and I could make some sorta recommendations for you.
Yea, I was lacking a game plan against samus. I really wasn't having a problem in the MU till I played this new guy. I think m2 could merit a character switch. He's a lot like Marth, but you can punish him harder for whiffing and he doesn't have that range in % where only a tipper will kill you. I think the MU is do able at the least, but meh.
No. That's not true. I've played the MU many times. I feel Mario can use his fireballs to manipulate Marth's movement. Mario doesn't have to approach. Remember Marth is FORCED to do something unless he wants to take 8% which racks up quickly. Also one tool that is really good in this match up is dash attack since it can pop Marth up after a forward air very similar to Sheik. The only thing Marth can do when he is above you is Dair and that can be punished. Range and killing power is really the only problem with this match up which is why I feel it's stage dependent. If Marth chooses Warioware or Yoshi's basically any small place then it won't be hard for Marth to get in on Mario and if Mario gets caught on a platform he's screwed but Mario's kill problems are fixed at the same time. Also if Mario is above Marth it's pretty much the same situation where Mario can only Dair and while it isn't that punishable due to it's priority and speed, it is predictable. When it comes to edgeguarding Mario can mix it up much better than Marth (this is assuming he has his jump) but if Mario has no jump then he is either forced to up b to the ledge or up b ledge dash. Marth can punish both. Mario can gimp Marth very early. Back air is an incredible tool since it puts Marth in a bad spot. I remember once back throwing a Marth offstage, comboing two Bairs and it killed at 40% because I caught his jump when he tried to fair me away. When it comes to combos both can combo each other well. Marth does have an advantage with the Ken combo while Mario does have trouble killing since both his fair and fsmash (although fsmash does outrange all of Marth stuff when pivoted) need a grab or an up air to be setup at kill %s, down smash is the most reliable kill option. Feel free to add more. I'd like to keep discussing.
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What I don't like about Marth in this game is that you seem to be rewarded for spamming Forward smash. In Brawl, as a Marth main myself, It was not so. In PM, my mario struggles against that range. Even though I'm a PM noob now, I say the MU is definitely in Marths favor.
If you are losing to spaming of Fsmash you are in no position to talk about the match up. Just shield it. WD OOS into a grab > dthrow >fat combo at lower percents or a dsmash at higher percents. You could also you your movement to bait it and close the distance then to punish. Seriously, Marth forward smash is very easy to punish on whiff or shield.
Haha, okay. I guess I'm still an extreme PM noob. My bad for talking about the MU.
It's really not a big deal. We all have to start somewhere. As a Marth player I just get frustrated when people can't deal with stuff like that which should not be working.
Yeah, I feel you. I main Marth in Brawl.
