The Plumber's Crack - Mario General

[MarioNPinkie]

Can anyone give me CLEAR info on how to get the full recovery potential of the mario tornado?

When doing the tornado offstage quickly tap b to go upwards

 

[Raccoon Chuck]

I do that all the time but it seems I only lift 1 inch before I drop 3. D:

 

[dookdigity]

I hold down "down" on the joystick when I do it. I know it might not do anything, but it is a N64 habit for Mario. Also, I tend to to hit the B button about 8 times while he is spinning and then HOLDING B down when he stops spinning and raises in the air with his arms and legs extended. I get full boost from it 95% of the time.

 

[MarioNPinkie]

I hold down "down" on the joystick when I do it. I know it might not do anything, but it is a N64 habit for Mario. Also, I tend to to hit the B button about 8 times while he is spinning and then HOLDING B down when he stops spinning and raises in the air with his arms and legs extended. I get full boost from it 95% of the time.

i tend to hold down also as a force of habit lol

 

[sneakytako]

Does anyone know who mario can chain grab and at what percents?

 

[Raccoon Chuck]

i tend to hold down also as a force of habit lol

I'm not sure why but I seem to achieve full height whenever I tap both B and A in a very obscure pattern. It's hard to explain the timing, but I nail it about 80% of the time.

 

[MarioNPinkie]

I'm not sure why but I seem to achieve full height whenever I tap both B and A in a very obscure pattern. It's hard to explain the timing, but I nail it about 80% of the time.

Ive never tried doing that

 

[dookdigity]

Speaking of Down B spikes (as I have mentioned earlier) I have not been able to recreate it at all since the first time I have done it. Not sure if it was a fluke, or I am just being bad. Anyone else ever done one?

 

[Raccoon Chuck]

Speaking of Down B spikes (as I have mentioned earlier) I have not been able to recreate it at all since the first time I have done it. Not sure if it was a fluke, or I am just being bad. Anyone else ever done one?

I have a couple of times but, like you, it's only happened once in a blue moon and I can't recreate it. Can somebody find the hitbox responsible?

 

[dookdigity]

Ok, I am glad someone else has been able to pull it off.

In 64 you have to hit the top of your opponent with the very bottom of your hitbox on the last hit of Mario's tornado. It is a lot easier to pull off in 64.

Here is a terribly drawn image of this situation:

Orange: Mario's hitbox
Red: Opponent's hitbox
White: Overlapping hitboxes

 

[MrM]

so it is possible to spike with tornado in pm?
this is news to me

 

[MarioNPinkie]

Ive never tried to do the tornado spike in P:M at all im definitely gonna try to work on getting it down

 

[Raccoon Chuck]

I really should have mentioned this earlier. I was playing on a Wii U at the time, therefore my set up was a nunchuk combination. I'm not quite sure, but that may be why I got lift from the A button while holding B. The way to get full recovery potential with this set up seems to be( DownB->DownB while A mashing), implying that you press b twice.

 

[Mr.Pickle]

Does anyone know the difference in landing lag between his up b in this game and his up b in melee? It seems like he has a lot less in pm.

 

[dookdigity]

Mario is INCREDIBLY fun in teams. His cape is amazing.

Here is some footage of my Mario in tournament from last night:

Set 2 - http://youtu.be/Tm-ofUGGqzI
Set 3 - http://youtu.be/6BKZ1OEi9lQ

Any input in Mario's strengths in teams, preferred strategies, what role Mario fits best, and how my Mario messed up/could improve?

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

Does anyone know who mario can chain grab and at what percents?

Not fox. Anybody else have any knowledge about this?

 

[dookdigity]

Fox I usually just forward throw > tech chase, or U-Throw to Down B (If there is a platform for me to land on). If he is low percent bait for Crouch cancel d-smash or his tornado. Any other suggestions guys?

 

[Gimpyfish62]

I plan on going a lot of Mario at our upcoming Gameclucks tournament, so expect some videos from that tournament to be up soon after.

Or just watch us live on Saturday on my stream at www.twitch.tv/62bitgaming

Dunno when the project m singles is gonna start, but I'll try to get myself on stream as much as I can (which shouldn't be too terribly difficult because I'm running the stream myself)

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

Fox I usually just forward throw > tech chase, or U-Throw to Down B (If there is a platform for me to land on). If he is low percent bait for Crouch cancel d-smash or his tornado. Any other suggestions guys?

dash attack/downsmash>grab>bthrow(on a ledge)>cape trolling

 

[dookdigity]

I plan on going a lot of Mario at our upcoming Gameclucks tournament, so expect some videos from that tournament to be up soon after.

Or just watch us live on Saturday on my stream at www.twitch.tv/62bitgaming

Dunno when the project m singles is gonna start, but I'll try to get myself on stream as much as I can (which shouldn't be too terribly difficult because I'm running the stream myself)

I will watch you live. Should be awesome! Good luck!

dash attack/downsmash>grab>bthrow(on a ledge)>cape trolling

Yes, Great stuff. #1 goal against Fox is GET HIM OFF THE STAGE at all costs. Cape is too good against him.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

i actually think that cape is a lot more situational of an edgeguard than most players think - top level foxes aren't just holding diagonal up forward to recovery and a ledgedrop bair is sometimes better or any number of other moves might be better. cape is high reward medium/high risk, a lot of the time you can get equal reward for lower risk. a missed cape puts you in a horrible position the vast majority of the time.

i actually think that short hopping off the stage with a down air is one of the best edgeguards in the game, myself.

mario's down air is boss.

 

[dookdigity]

His down air is indeed amazing.
I will experiment more with down air edge guarding today.

Rising down air sets you up so well for another aerial, grab, cape, or groud attack (tilts, smashes, jab>anything).

 

[Gimpyfish62]

Wow there's really not a lot of activity here - I'm gonna post some stuff later to hopefully get the ball rolling

 

[dookdigity]

Here is a video of a down-b spike. It is really weak and didn't hit on the last frame. Did Fox just fast fall here? I am trying to understand what happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlu78_Ok4co

 

[MarioNPinkie]

Fox was hit but it was at the very end of down-b which sent him falling just a little bit

 

[Gimpyfish62]

so i totally forgot to post my thoughts in this thread a while back T-T my bad

and today i'm super duper busy so i won't be able to do that until late tonight if at all

oh well

 

[dookdigity]

Been working on breaking my SSB64 habits in Project Melee. One of the hardest things to stop doing was approaching so damn much from the air. Shield stun is a lot smaller in this game. Every time I approach with a falling Dair I was hoping they would draw their shield and I could L Cancel to grab. It works about 5% of the time. If anyone is approaching in the air hoping for a shield make sure you are doing a cross upaup and landing out of their range. I am starting to get more comfortable with Mario's ground game. What are everyone's thoughts on approach methods in general?

 

[Gimpyfish62]

my thoughts are that unless you are one of very few characters (all of which are very very toppest of tiers) you should not be approaching because approaching is worse than defense in smash and always has been haha

mario is not one of those few exceptions, so make them come to you if at all possible.

otherwise, cross them up and keep yourself safe.

 

[dookdigity]

Good point. I was reflecting on previous matches and I did notice that when I didn't approach I usually was able to get the first hit. I have a couple of hours to try this out at Smash Lab tonight.

Also, how did Mario and your Dair edge guarding go at the past tournament?

 

[Gimpyfish62]

i didn't get to play nearly as much as i was hoping, so i didn't get enough of a chance to mess around as mario T-T

next tournament for sure, as well as hopefully a smashfest soon i'll be playing some project m mario so that i can upload some matches for y'all.

 

[dookdigity]

SmashLab was tonight. Things went a lot better. I realized how epic Mario's Bair is. You can spam that thing and keep anyone at bay, especially if you have platforms to work with. Which Mario should we be watching for? I don't see anyone big playing him lately.

 

[BlackDr.Mario]

Mario in P:M is both Mario and Doc Mario tho.

I prefer the pills to the fireballs honestly. I like the angle of its trajectory (and come on... its Dr. Mario!)

 

[Strong Badam]

Mario is such an amazing character.

 

[Raccoon Chuck]

If a cloning method is found, what would they do for doc? Any suggestions? New specials? Pure speculation.

 

[Mr.Lemon]

I main Mario in PM because there is no doc but he is an amazing character in this game. Honestly, I think he has potential to become a top tier character. I have actually been doing really well using only Mario in PM tourneys. If used correctly he can be a very powerful character. I feel like only good aspects of Mario/Dr.Mario's move sets from Melee were put into this PM Mario.

His cape is totally over powered, I successfully approached with it during a match lol.
His recovery is the best it has ever been...seriously.
His F.smash is over powered with a massive hitbox and knock back.
His d.air, u.air, u.smash, d.throw, u.throw, and u.tilt are ideal for comboing.
His wavedash is still great

I really can't find much wrong with him. I feel like I can finally approach with him now, rather than waiting for an opening. I wish I new more about who he can chaingrab in this game and at what percent. Does anyone know if it's the same or similar to Melee?

Too bad he can't Up+B cancel

 

[Zinoto]

Just found these boards, but wanted to say sup guys. I'll be frequenting these boards and think I'm gonna start getting into P:M seriously. Just wanted to say hi

 

[Th3bman]

Has anybody found any massive combos with Mario they'd like to share? Although I'll admit I spam sometimes, I find it very easy to fireball>dashattack>usmash>usmash>uair>uair>onejab>dsmash most characters. Mario's upsmash has incredibly high combo potential at low percents where you can easily chain 3. Does anyone know if this move is crouch cancellable?​

 

[DMG]

Does anyone know who mario can chain grab and at what percents?

The list of characters Mario can CG is massive. Besides the lightest of the light characters, he can probably CG just about any character in the game at the appropriate %'s. That doesn't mean you're guaranteed to get a very long CG though, some characters it may only be 20-30% or less, but yes Mario gets around town.

Fox
Falco
Wolf
Falcon
Bowser
DK
Sheik
Marth
Link
Ike
Pika
Lucas
Diddy
ZSS
etc

I'd recommend looking at the Melee Mario boards, see if Magus has a post covering CG %'s. They probably will not be exactly the same for PM, but it should give you a decent idea.

 

[SnatoWhato]

Anybody else feel like they made Mario's AI a little better than the other characters? I know it's not the case, but when I fight him as the CPU it's the only CPU that pisses me off. He's such a little prick! lol Too bad I don't know anyone that mains him. I'd like to see how annoying he can really be.

 

[bryu_1337]

Has anybody found any massive combos with Mario they'd like to share? Although I'll admit I spam sometimes, I find it very easy to fireball>dashattack>usmash>usmash>uair>uair>onejab>dsmash most characters. Mario's upsmash has incredibly high combo potential at low percents where you can easily chain 3. Does anyone know if this move is crouch cancellable?​

fair-fair works really well. dair-dsmash or dair-usmash also work quite well, especially at kill percents. other than that, melee combos really carry over pretty well