The Perfect Character

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Bowser's jab is not only not worse than MK's, it's actually a really good jab. Worst jab is probably MK though.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Bowser's jab is not only not worse than MK's, it's actually a really good jab. Worst jab is probably MK though.

Don't be silly. I just said it's not worse than MK's. lol

I wish you could say stuff on Smashboards without someone trying to ram thier own opinions down your throat.

Although to be fair, I was a bit ignorant.

But hey. Aren't we all? xD

 

[PD4FR]

I've never seen Bowser's bair to really be bad. I can't think of anyone who has a bad bair actually.

And you're right. Bowser's jab isn't worse than MK's.

Pikachu's Bair has very little knockback, which would be good if the landing lag wasn't so horrendous. But it is. Also, I've seen more priority on jabs than Pika's Bair, but that might just be me.

Bowser's jab is not only not worse than MK's, it's actually a really good jab. Worst jab is probably MK though.

I wouldn't go that far. You'd be surprised how much some excessive priority will do to a jab.
I'd say D3 has a worse jab than Metaknight, if not several other characters. Jabs, at least in my opinion, need at least one of two things: great startup time, or comboing ability. D3's has neither. Oh, and yes, bowser's jab is pretty great.

These are my opinions by the way.

 

[KillerJawz]

Walk Speed- Fox
Dash Speed- Fox
Run Speed- Sonic
Turnaround Animation- Squirtle
Short Hop Height- Falco
Full Hop Height- Zero Suit Samus
Aerial Jump Height- Jiggs
Number of Jumps- MK
Air Speed- Yoshi
Air Speed Acceleration- Wario
Grab Range- Olimar (Blue Pikmin Range)
Dash Grab- Ness
Pivot Grab- Peach / Yoshi
Launch Resistance- DK w/ Up B. If not then Bowser.
Character Model- Jigglypuff, lowest crouch.
Normal Fall Speed- Marth
Fastfall Speed- Snake
Airdodge- Meta Knight
Forward Roll- Zero Suit Samus
Back Roll- Lucario
Spotdodge- Pikachu
Shield- Bowser
Ledge Grab Range- Samus, largest ledge grab range.
Ledge Drop- Pikachu
Ledge Jump- Pikachu
Ledge Getup- Lucas
Ledge Roll- Lucas

 

[Poltergust]

To be honest, I don't think some of these categories are necessary. Some categories are absolutes, such as aerial speed (Yoshi), Ledge Get-up (Lucas), air-dodge (MK)...

I think the list should only include these, because these attributes are debatable:

Short Hop Height-
Full Jump Height-
Aerial Jump Height-
Standing Grab-
Dash Grab-
Pivot Grab-
Aerial Grab Release Animation-
Launch Resistance-
Character Model-
Normal Fall Speed-
Shield-
Ledge Grab Range-

Yeah, I think these are the only attributes that don't obviously fall to one character.

 

[humble]

Short Hop Height- Diddy
Full Jump Height- Falco
Aerial Jump Height- Wario
Standing Grab- DDD
Dash Grab- Charizard
Pivot Grab- Olimar
Launch Resistance- DK
Character Model- Captain Falcon (character needs moar epicness)
Normal Fall Speed- Squirtle
Shield- Bowser
Ledge Grab Range- Solomar

jab- Ike
ftilt- R.O.B
dtilt- Charizard
utilt- Snake
dash attack- ZSS
fthrow- Pit
bthrow- Ness
uthrow- Olimar
dthrow- D3
neutral B- Falco
side B- Falco
down B- Diddy
Up B- Pikachu
fsmash- Olimar
usmash- Fox
dsmash- MK

Aerials
nair- Luigi
fair- Marth
dair- MK
uair- MK
bair- Sheik
zair- Samus

 

[Luxor]

To be honest, I don't think some of these categories are necessary. Some categories are absolutes, such as aerial speed (Yoshi), Ledge Get-up (Lucas), air-dodge (MK)...

I think the list should only include these, because these attributes are debatable:

Agreed.

Short Hop Height-MK
Full Jump Height-Falco
Aerial Jump Height-ZSS
Standing Grab-D3
Dash Grab-MK
Pivot Grab-If Oli don't work, Marth
Aerial Grab Release Animation-not MK/Wario/Squirtle, Ganondorf or somebody
Ground Grab Release Animation-Ganondorf is fine
Launch Resistance-Boozer
Character Model-Squirtle squirt!
Normal Fall Speed-Jiggly
Shield-Diddy, almost never gets poked
Ledge Grab Range-Jiggs/Pika have big ledgesnaps right?

 

[Spelt]

ground grab release should definitely be donkey kong.
he has 10 less frames than everyone else.

 

[demonictoonlink]

People should really says ICs for character design.

Just think.
Desynched Marth fairs.

 

[PD4FR]

People should really says ICs for character design.

Just think.
Desynched Marth fairs.

D-Double K-K-Ken Combo??? In the n-next Smash? I-I just don't understand...
Never bring that up again. Ken has the money to make this happen.

 

[Neon9837]

People should really says ICs for character design.

Just think.
Desynched Marth fairs.

How about desychning falcos doubles lazer lol, even better.

 

[Luxor]

Desynched Tornadoes.

I belive I win.

 

[Poltergust]

ground grab release should definitely be donkey kong.
he has 10 less frames than everyone else.

Oh, true. I forgot about that.

*editeditedit*

 

[PD4FR]

Desynched Tornadoes.

I belive I win.

Smash Reseachers don't count.

That would be horrible, though. Sakurai is definitely capable of it, lol. We've seen some of his bad ideas. *CoughGreatMazeCough*

 

[Seagull Joe]

This seems fun.

Walk Speed- Marth
Dash Speed- Fox
Run Speed- Sonic
Turnaround Animation- Squirtle
Short Hop Height- No idea, but not ZSS
Full Hop Height- ZSS XD
Aerial Jump Height- Falco or Yoshi, depends on what you want
Number of Jumps- Meta Knight, Kirby, or Jigglypuff
Air Speed- Yoshi
Air Speed Acceleration- Wario
Grab Range- Is this shield grab or grab range in general? Dedede for the former, ZSS for the latter
Dash Grab- Ness
Pivot Grab- Yoshi
Launch Resistance- DK, with up-B momentum canceling, if applicable
Character Model- Squirtle, I think he's the smallest character in the game...
Normal Fall Speed- Jigglypuff
Fastfall Speed- King Dedede
Airdodge- Meta Knight
Forward Roll- Meta Knight
Back Roll- Lucario
Spotdodge- King Dedede
Shield- Diddy
Ledge Grab Range- Uh... no idea. ZSS if we count tethers, and... Falco if we don't?
Ledge Drop- Pikachu
Ledge Jump- Pikachu
Ledge Getup- Lucas
Ledge Roll- Lucas

Uh, I did it right... right? >.>

King D3's spotdodge over Falco's? LolWut....

Walk Speed- Marth
Dash Speed- Mk
Run Speed- Sonic
Turnaround Animation- Squirtle
Short Hop Height- Wolf
Full Hop Height- Falco
Aerial Jump Height- Falco
Number of Jumps- Jigglypuff
Air Speed- Wolf
Air Speed Acceleration- Wario
Grab Range- Olimar with blue Pikmin
Dash Grab- Sheik
Pivot Grab- Fox
Launch Resistance- Snake
Character Model- Snake
Normal Fall Speed- Wolf
Fastfall Speed- Fox
Airdodge- Wario
Forward Roll- Meta Knight
Back Roll- Lucario
Spotdodge- Falco
Shield- Diddy
Ledge Grab Range- Zss
Ledge Drop-Pikachu
Ledge Jump- Sonic
Ledge Getup- Lucario
Ledge Roll- Falco

Short Hop Height- Diddy
Full Jump Height- Falco
Aerial Jump Height- Wario
Standing Grab- DDD
Dash Grab- Charizard
Pivot Grab- Olimar
Launch Resistance- DK
Character Model- Captain Falcon (character needs moar epicness)
Normal Fall Speed- Squirtle
Shield- Bowser
Ledge Grab Range- Solomar

jab- Ike
ftilt- R.O.B
dtilt- Charizard
utilt- Snake
dash attack- ZSS
fthrow- Pit
bthrow- Ness
uthrow- Olimar
dthrow- D3
neutral B- Falco
side B- Falco
down B- Diddy
Up B- Pikachu
fsmash- Olimar
usmash- Fox
dsmash- MK

Aerials
nair- Luigi
fair- Marth
dair- MK
uair- MK
bair- Sheik
zair- Samus

Sheik's Bair? What the ****. It has horrid range. And Bowser's shield is stabbed so easily.

Jab- Ike
Ftilt- Snake
Dtilt- Charizard
Utilt- Snake
Dash attack- ZSS
Fthrow- Pit
Bthrow- Ness
Uthrow- Olimar
Dthrow- D3
Neutral B- Falco
Side B- Falco
Down B- Wolf
Up B- Mk
Fsmash- Dk
Usmash- Olimar
Dsmash- MK

Aerials
Nair- Luigi
Fair- Marth
Dair- Ganon
Uair- MK
Bair- Wolf
Zair- Samus

 

[Poltergust]

King D3's spotdodge over Falco's? LolWut....

Because it is the best spot-dodge in the game? Not a lot of moves can beat it even when the invincibility runs out because King Dedede remains in the background.

And Falco's is tied with like 5 other characters.

 

[JRC LSS]

And Bowser's shield is stabbed so easily.

It wouldn't get stabbed if it was used by a different character model with a smaller hurtbox though.

 

[Luxor]

Yeah, Falco's spotdodge is better framewise but D3's moves him along the Z-axis so most moves just whizz right past him, i.e. he actually sidesteps out of the way lol. Framewise D3's spotdodge is one of the worst. I'd go with Falco's on this one.

And giving Bowser's shield to another character wouldn't make it have more "life," since every shield lasts exactly 361 frames. It might cover up a smaller char's hurtbox better (idk) but Diddy's shield is virtually unpokable anyway so I'd stick with that.

And I know Wolf's Shine is good, but better than nan3erz? I don't think so.

 

[Katana_koden]

Short Hop Height- Pit
Item Slide: pit
Full Jump Height- Falco
Aerial Jump Height- Snake
Aerial Jumps: Super Wario
Standing Grab- DDD
Dash Grab- Charizard
Pivot Grab- Olimar
Launch Resistance- Snake
Character Model- Trophy Sword girl from fire emblem
Normal Fall Speed- Squirtle
Fast Fall- Snake
Shield- Bowser
Ledge Grab Range- Solomar
Glide speed: pit
Dash to Shield: Snake
Air Momentum: wario
Squirtles: elemental resistance
Rolls: Lucario
Spot dodge: Falco
Aerial Dodge: MK


jab- Ike
ftilt- R.O.B
dtilt- Pit
utilt- Snake
dash attack- Snake
fthrow- Pit
bthrow- Ness
uthrow- MK/ Kirby
dthrow- D3
neutral B- Pit
side B- ZSS
down B- Diddy
Up B- Pikachu
fsmash- Lucario
usmash- Fox
dsmash- MK

Aerials
nair- Luigi
fair- Marth
dair- MK
uair- MK
bair- Pit
zair- Samus
Glair: MK
Float: Peach
All moves transcendent priority


I cant begin to imagine the combos....

Kill combo... jab> jab> utilt/bthrow
Beginner combo.. jab> jab> Dthrow .......Usmash
ugh the possibilities

 

[Poltergust]

Yeah, Falco's spotdodge is better framewise but D3's moves him along the Z-axis so most moves just whizz right past him, i.e. he actually sidesteps out of the way lol. Framewise D3's spotdodge is one of the worst. I'd go with Falco's on this one.

In that case, don't just give it to Falco. He's tied with Link, Toon Link, Yoshi, and Pikachu.

 

[Shadic]

A heavier Metaknight with lasers.

 

[Nova9000]

IMO...
jab- Falco
ftilt- R.O.B
dtilt- Marth
utilt- Snake
dash attack- Ganon
fthrow- Ganon
bthrow- D3
uthrow- Lucario
dthrow- Falco
neutral B- Snake
side B- Marth
down B- Diddy
Up B- MK
fsmash- Lucario
usmash- Fox
dsmash- MK
nair- Luigi
fair- Falcon in MeleeMarth
dair- Wario
uair- MK
bair- DK
zair- Samus

I'm not sure of the other things though.

 

[TreK]

As long as a character has got some oos options and a good grab range, Luigi's traction is an enormeous PLUS. It isn't Luigi's case, unfortunately.

 

[Pierce7d]

Just for the record, I think the Great Maze was a wonderful idea, and the rest of the game should have been made ENTIRELY in that fashion.

I play SSE a lot