The Old Counter Game

[TehBo49]

Physical Blissey sweep = automatic win

 

[Platypus]

Before we can adequately start the new system, we need an accurate tier list. For now, though, guessing should work.
Mismagius and Honchkrow are BL, correct?
IC3R-
ORLy- 5 IIII
Platypus- 5
sonofthesky- II
TehBo49- IIII

Now, against Mantine:

Shedinja (Uber) w/Focus Sash
Jollly/Wonder Guard
255 Atk./ 255 Speed
+ X-Scissor
+ Swagger
+ Sunny Day
+ Dig
It's only worth one point (not shown), but it's worth it. Sunny Day is not so much to kill your Speed as it is to prevent Abomasnow, Hippowdon, and Tyranitar from landing "exhalation" KOs.

 

[sonofthesky]

Ho-oh@Choice band
Adament 252 atk 252 spd
Sacred fire

Generic easy to counter ho.

 

[MorphedChaos]

Ryperior w/ leftovers
Brave
Rock Blast
Curse
Substitue
Earthquake

Rock blast will 2 shot the ho-oh.... and it has enough defense to survive a sacred fire easy.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Ryperior w/ leftovers
Brave
Rock Blast
Curse
Substitue
Earthquake

Rock blast will 2 shot the ho-oh.... and it has enough defense to survive a sacred fire easy.

Leafeon@Leftovers
Impish/Leaf Guard
252Hp/200Atk/56Def
-Curse
-Synthesis
-Leaf Blade
-Dig

Can curse up just as much as you while healing off any damage.

 

[Platypus]

Try to carry the scoreboard in your posts.

IC3R-
MorphedChaos- II
ORLy- 5 IIII
Pink Reaper- IIII
Platypus- 5 I
sonofthesky- III
TehBo49- IIII

 

[IC3R]

Leafeon@Leftovers
Impish/Leaf Guard
252Hp/200Atk/56Def
-Curse
-Synthesis
-Leaf Blade
-Dig

Can curse up just as much as you while healing off any damage.

Masquerain @ Life Orb
Timid / Intimidate
EVs - 4 Def, 252 SpAtt, 252 Spd
~Bug Buzz
~Air Slash
~Hydro Pump
~Roost

Pwnt



I get, what? 5 points IIRC?

 

[Pink Reaper]

Clamperl@DeepSeaScale
Modest/Shell Armor
252Hp/252Def/4SpAtk
-Barrier
-Ice Beam
-Toxic
-Surf

LOL STALLPERL

 

[IC3R]

Clamperl@DeepSeaScale
Modest/Shell Armor
252Hp/252Def/4SpAtk
-Barrier
-Ice Beam
-Toxic
-Surf

LOL STALLPERL

Empoleon @ Petaya Berry
Modest / Torrent
EVs - 4 Def, 252 SpAtt, 252 Spd
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Substitute
~Agility

You fail. 4 points for me.

 

[Pink Reaper]

You get points based on what counter you use, not for what you counter. 4 points for me, 2 for you

 

[IC3R]

You get points based on what counter you use, not for what you counter. 4 points for me, 2 for you

Then I get 5 from Masquerain, and 4 from Empoleon...

You get 6 for using Clamperl...

 

[Platypus]

POINT SYSTEM:
2 points are awarded for an OU counter, 1 point is awarded for an Uber counter or an anti-Choice immunity, a BL counter gets 4 points, 5 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for an OU or BL is complex, and 6 points are awarded for NU, complex UU, and NFE.

2 points are subtracted for an Uber, OU, or BL counter that fails, while 1 point is lost for any failure of lower rank.

Is Empoleon OU? I think so.

SCOREBOARD:
IC3R- 5 II
MorphedChaos- II
ORLy- 5 IIII
Pink Reaper- 10
Platypus- 5 I
sonofthesky- III
TehBo49- IIII

Pink Reaper remains on top.

*Waits for Sealeo*

 

[IC3R]

Is Empoleon OU? I think so.

I thought Empoleon was BL?

 

[0RLY]

Empoleon is BL. Use this to determine the tier of your Pokemon. http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/
If you try to say you earned more points when you really don't, that's like... cheating. I think some people take this game somewhat seriously...

How many points does a sashed counter get? *refer to example on first post*

NFE Points... what if we use Gabite? That thing is pretty much the same as Garchomp with lower stats. Not fair IMO. There's also Porygon2.

@ Empoleon:

Walrein @ Leftovers
Careful/Thick Fat
252 HP/216 SpD/40 Def
-Encore
-Curse
-Avalanche
-Earthquake

Walrein is UU (+5). Resists your attacks. Encore stops your set-ups. Curse up and sweep.

SCOREBOARD:
IC3R- 5 II
MorphedChaos- II
0RLy- 10 IIII
Pink Reaper- 10
Platypus- 5 I
sonofthesky- III
TehBo49- IIII

 

[Platypus]

Porygon2 is a fully evolved monster in a previous generation, like Aipom and Magneton. They don't qualify for NFE points, they just get dropped a tier. Gabite, on the other hand, is an unevolved Uber, so...It qualifies for BL status.

By the way, don't award yourself points. Wait for the next poster to update the board.

POINT SYSTEM:
2 points are awarded for an OU counter, 1 point is awarded for an Uber counter or an anti-Choice immunity, a Gabite or BL counter gets 4 points, 5 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for an OU or BL is complex, and 6 points are awarded for NU, complex UU, and NFE.

2 points are subtracted for an Uber, OU, or BL counter that fails, while 1 point is lost for any failure of lower rank.

SCOREBOARD:
IC3R- 5 IIII
MorphedChaos- II
ORLy- 10 IIII
Pink Reaper- 10
Platypus- 5 I
sonofthesky- III
TehBo49- IIII

 

[TehBo49]

@ Walrein:

Hitmontop @ Leftovers
Adamant
Technician
252 HP/252 Atk/6 Def
-Triple Kick
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Bulk Up

+5

 

[MorphedChaos]

Oh you'll hate me.... got this idea when browsing Cerabi's PotW index....

Kirlia w/ Focus sash
Naive or Jolly (I think, can't remember natures all that well.)
252 spatk/ 252 spd / 6 spD
Hypnosis
Dream eater
Psychic
Shadow ball

(Dunno if I'm doing this right, am I?)

 

[RedPeppers]

When in the heck did points get involved? I feel kinda lost now........

 

[RedPeppers]

Interesting proposition...

Surskit sweep = OVER 9000!!!!!!!! points

Lol, I would lead in points then. I took down a Sharpedo with a Surskit in here.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Lol, I would lead in points then. I took down a Sharpedo with a Surskit in here.

Do you have any idea how many Ubers I've taken down? We should have been keeping score from the beginning I'd have > 9000^9001 points right now

 

[M.K]

This points thing has really detracted from the quality of the game :/

 

[sonofthesky]

Do you have any idea how many Ubers I've taken down? We should have been keeping score from the beginning I'd have > 9000^9001 points right now

You have only taken down two.

Unless you count the choice banded ho-oh, but come the **** on there.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Hey, I've taken down at least 4 garchomps.

 

[sonofthesky]

But that was before they WERE uber.

Besides, they wernt yache.

 

[0RLY]

I think we only started counting the points from like page 106 or 107 =S

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

I'd like to update the original post with new rules...
Anything I should mention?

 

[IC3R]

Perhaps whether or not this odd point system should be implemented into the Counter Game or not? And if so, a finally point system.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Wait... Point system...
What?

 

[0RLY]

I don't even think you added the new rules that I PMed to you... IMO, the point system is lame. What does it do other than encourage competitiveness on a forum?

 

[karthik_king]

Kirlia w/ Focus sash
Naive or Jolly (I think, can't remember natures all that well.)
252 spatk/ 252 spd / 6 spD
Hypnosis
Dream eater
Psychic
Shadow ball
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Houndour
Timid
@Focus Sash/Life Orb
252 SpAtk/216 SpDef/40 HP
Overheat
Dark Pulse
Flamethrower
Hidden Power(Fighting)

 

[Platypus]

I'm not going to imply that the point system is perfect. However, I do encourage rules, even on a forum, for the obvious reason that it makes it easier to tell who's winning.

POINT SYSTEM:
2 points are awarded for an OU counter, 1 point is awarded for an Uber counter or an anti-Choice immunity, a Gabite or BL counter gets 4 points, 5 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for an OU or BL is complex, and 6 points are awarded for NU, complex UU, and NFE.

2 points are subtracted for an Uber, OU, or BL counter that fails, while 1 point is lost for any failure of lower rank.

Any former final-evo is counted as being one tier under its present final form. The same goes for mid-evo starters and such.

SCOREBOARD:
IC3R- 5 IIII
karthik_king- 5 I
MorphedChaos- 5 III
ORLy- 10 IIII
Pink Reaper- 10
Platypus- 5 I
sonofthesky- III
TehBo49- 5 IIII

Against Houndor (assuming that it uses a Focus Sash- please, use only one ability, item, and moveset):

Spiritomb w/Leftovers
Modest/Pressure
55 HP/ 100 Def./ 255 Sp. Atk./ 100 Sp. Def.
+ Substitute
+ Calm Mind
+ Dark Pulse
+ HP Water
This is far beyond overkill. I still can't remember the right EVs...

 

[karthik_king]

Oh that fails. I am faster So i use overheat you are left with 12% you use Hp water I have 8 % left then I use overheat again you die but even so my counter
Carvahna
ability: Rogh skin
Adamant
@choice band
252 Attack 252 Hp 4 Spd
Double Edge
Zen Headbutt
WaterFall
Crunch

 

[Platypus]

I must disregard your counter. Also, excuse me while I lose points.

*BALOO, baloo, baloo...*

POINT SYSTEM:
2 points are awarded for an OU counter, 1 point is awarded for an Uber counter or an anti-Choice immunity, a Gabite or BL counter gets 4 points, 5 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for an OU or BL is complex, and 6 points are awarded for NU, complex UU, and NFE.

2 points are subtracted for an Uber, OU, or BL counter that fails, while 1 point is lost for any failure of lower rank.

Any former final-evo is counted as being one tier under its present final form. The same goes for mid-evo starters and such.

SCOREBOARD:
IC3R- 5 IIII
karthik_king- 5 I
MorphedChaos- 5 III
ORLy- 10 IIII
Pink Reaper- 10
Platypus- IIII
sonofthesky- III
TehBo49- 5 IIII

Against Houndor (assuming that it carries a Focus Sash):

Blaziken w/Life Orb
(+Sp. Atk. -Def.)/Blaze
155 Atk./ 155 Sp. Atk./ 200 Sp. Def.
+ Earthquake
+ Crush Claw
+ Blast Burn
+ Thunderpunch
I'm not overfond of Blaziken, but it will probably not die easily.

 

[karthik_king]

Vibrava
252 speed 128 SpAtk 128 Atk
@Focus Sash
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Flamethrower
Hp (Bug)

 

[Pink Reaper]

I don't like this point system. With low tier UU/NU/NFE pokemon yielding the highest point values it will lead to just constant use of pokemon only made to counter what comes before them as they are too weak to pose a threat to anything else. This leads to a bunch of one dimensional counters that take the fun out of finding an obscure counter for a very powerful pokemon.

 

[Platypus]

Perhaps an addendum is appropriate...You're right in saying that, but the counters were pretty weak when we outlawed OU.

EDIT: I think I have it.

From now on, NFE are not worth the same extra points. Vibrava, by the way, counts as BL.

POINT SYSTEM:
2 points are awarded for an OU counter, 1 point is awarded for an Uber counter or an anti-Choice immunity, a BL counter gets 4 points, 5 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for an OU or BL is complex, and 6 points are awarded for NU and complex UU.

2 points are subtracted for an Uber, OU, or BL counter that fails, while 1 point is lost for any failure of lower rank.

Any NFE is counted as being one tier under its present final form.

SCOREBOARD:
IC3R- 5 IIII
karthik_king- 10
MorphedChaos- 5 III
ORLy- 10 IIII
Pink Reaper- 10
Platypus- 5 I
sonofthesky- III
TehBo49- 5 IIII

Against Vibrava:

Hariyama w/Leftovers
Adamant/Thick Fat
110 HP/ 200 Atk./ 100 Def./ 100 Sp. Def.
+ Ice Punch
+ Superpower
+ Substitute
+ Faint Attack
It's a chase scene, race and brakes off!

 

[karthik_king]

SCOREBOARD:
IC3R- 5 IIII
karthik_king- 14
MorphedChaos- 5 III
ORLy- 10 IIII
Pink Reaper- 10
Platypus- 5 I
sonofthesky- III
TehBo49- 5 IIII

POINT SYSTEM:
2 points are awarded for an OU counter, 1 point is awarded for an Uber counter or an anti-Choice immunity, a BL counter gets 4 points, 5 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for an OU or BL is complex, and 6 points are awarded for NU and complex UU.

2 points are subtracted for an Uber, OU, or BL counter that fails, while 1 point is lost for any failure of lower rank.

Any NFE is counted as being one tier under its present final form.



Crobat
@Black Sludge
252 Speed 216 Hp 40 SpAtk
U-turn
Air Slash
Hypnosis
Mean Look

No matter what it is I will just U-turn out of it or demolish it MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Pink Reaper]

U-Turn is illegal in the Counter Game.

@Hariyama

Steelix@Leftovers
Adamant/Rock Head
252Atk/252Def/4Hp
-Double Edge
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Gyro Ball

The only move you can really hurt me with is Super Power which lowers you attack upon use so you cease to be a threat after a single attack and the defense drop makes you easy to pick off.

 

[karthik_king]

Fine then
SCOREBOARD:
IC3R- 5 IIII
karthik_king- 16
MorphedChaos- 5 III
ORLy- 10 IIII
Pink Reaper- 15
Platypus- 5 I
sonofthesky- III
TehBo49- 5 IIII


Dewgong
Calm
@Chesto Berry
252 HP 216 SpAtk 40 SpDef
Surf
Ice Beam
Rain Dance
Rest

 

[TehBo49]

@ Dewgong

Lapras @ Leftovers
Adamant
Water Absorb
200 HP/200 Atk/100 Def/10 Spe
-Waterfall
-Return
-Ice Shard
-Dragon Dance

Walls forever

EDIT:
SCOREBOARD:
IC3R- 5 IIII
karthik_king- 16
MorphedChaos- 5 III
ORLy- 10 IIII
Pink Reaper- 15
Platypus- 5 I
sonofthesky- III
TehBo49- 10 IIII