The Old Counter Game

[TehBo49]

@ Chatot

Hitmonlee @ Life Orb
Adamant
Reckless
6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
-Focus Punch
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Blaze Kick

...Or are we still on Golem?

 

[Platypus]

Why did you roll with Reckless?

Anyways, the argument is somewhat unbalanced. The idea behind the Counter Game is to force the opponent to switch, or else to lose. The foe does not necessarily have your moveset in his/her/its posession; whether the person who posted previously is supposed to know what your moves are is key to the debate.

As such, I suggest that Hitmonlee be countered by someone other than myself.

Also, has anyone heard of the Aaro Is Less than Three Clan on Smash World Forums?

 

[TehBo49]

If we're not supposed to know what the opponent's moveset is, then this game is pointless since we can't list a counter.

 

[Platypus]

What I meant was that the person who is countered doesn't choose to switch out, he or she is forced to.

 

[IC3R]

Golem@Leftovers
Adamant/Rock Head
252Atk/252Def/4Hp
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Fire Punch
-Focus Punch

Can survive a +2 Earthquake and OHKO's you back with it.

Rotom (W) @ Shell Bell
Modest / Levitate
EVs - 4 HP, 252 SpAtt, 252 Spd
~Discharge
~Hydro Pump
~Signal Beam
~Substitute

Hydro Pump OHKOs. Discharge for STAB, and Signal Beam for the Grasses who resist the other two attacks. Substitute to guard me from incoming Status and gives a free hit afterwards.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Rotom (W) @ Shell Bell
Modest / Levitate
EVs - 4 HP, 252 SpAtt, 252 Spd
~Discharge
~Hydro Pump
~Signal Beam
~Substitute

Hydro Pump OHKOs. Discharge for STAB, and Signal Beam for the Grasses who resist the other two attacks. Substitute to guard me from incoming Status and gives a free hit afterwards.

Gastradon@Leftovers
Bold/Sticky Hold
252Hp/128Def/128SpDef
-Stockpile
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Recover

I need to shave.

 

[TehBo49]

@ Gastrodon

Lapras @ Leftovers
Modest
Water Absorb
252 HP/64 Def/128 Sp Atk/64 Sp Def
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-HP Ground
-Toxic

 

[chubb-o-wub]

Not serious, Metaknight. END GAME.

 

[Pink Reaper]

@ Gastrodon

Lapras @ Leftovers
Modest
Water Absorb
252 HP/64 Def/128 Sp Atk/64 Sp Def
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-HP Ground
-Toxic

Articuno@Light Clay
Calm/Pressure
252Hp/252SpDef/4Def
-Reflect
-Toxic
-Rest
-HP Fire

Stall set. HP fire for steels/poisons that resist Toxic.

 

[Platypus]

Vs. Articuno:

Phione w/Focus Sash
Modest/Hydration
255 Sp. Atk./ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Rain Dance
+ Brine
+ Ancientpower
+ Signal Beam
Moot Woot...

 

[IC3R]

Vs. Articuno:

Phione w/Focus Sash
Modest/Hydration
255 Sp. Atk./ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Rain Dance
+ Brine
+ Ancientpower
+ Signal Beam
Moot Woot...

Golduck @ Leftovers
Timid / Cloud Nine
EVs - 4 HP, 252 SpAtt, 252 Spd
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Hidden Power [Grass]
~Calm Mind

C9 > You

 

[M.K]

Golduck @ Leftovers
Timid / Cloud Nine
EVs - 4 HP, 252 SpAtt, 252 Spd
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Hidden Power [Grass]
~Calm Mind

C9 > You

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Modest / Swift Swim
252Sp. Attack/ 252 Speed/6 Sp. Defense

~Surf
~Energy Ball
~Hidden Power Electric
~Rain Dance

This probaby doesn't work....

 

[Platypus]

The Mexican plant looks fine to me.

Wormadam (P) w/Life Orb
(+Atk. -Speed)/Anticipation
155 Atk./ 155 Sp. Atk./ 200 Sp. Def.
+ Leaf Storm
+ Bug Bite
+ Attract
+ Endeavor
You probably wouldn't start with Rain Dance, so...Let the Nature Continue!

 

[IC3R]

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Modest / Swift Swim
252Sp. Attack/ 252 Speed/6 Sp. Defense

~Surf
~Energy Ball
~Hidden Power Electric
~Rain Dance

This probably doesn't work....

Oddly...it doesn't...

I get one CM on the switch, and another before you even attack me.
Your Energy Ball 3HKOs me with Lefties factored in, and my Ice Beam 2HKOs you with Lefties factored in.


OWNED!!!!

The duck is still in play...

 

[Pink Reaper]

Golduck @ Leftovers
Timid / Cloud Nine
EVs - 4 HP, 252 SpAtt, 252 Spd
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Hidden Power [Grass]
~Calm Mind

C9 > You

Mr.Mime@Choice Scarf
Modest/Filter
252SpAtk/252Spe/4Hp
-Trick
-Fling
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

 

[TehBo49]

@ Mr. Mime

Lopunny @ Flame Orb
Admant
Klutz
6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
-Fire Punch
-Thunder Punch
-Substitute
-Switcheroo

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Chris is me]

@ Mr. Mime

Lopunny @ Flame Orb
Admant
Klutz
6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
-Fire Punch
-Thunder Punch
-Substitute
-Switcheroo

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sticky Hold
212 HP / 252 Def / 44 SpA Relaxed
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Toxic
- Recover

Can't be burnt, resist both attacks (not like I need to as you're trying to use Lopunny), wear down with STAB EQs.

 

[Platypus]

To counter Gastrodon:

Mawile w/Liechi Berry
Adamant/Intimidate
255 Atk./ 150 Def./ 105 Sp. Def.
+ Crunch
+ Natural Gift
+ Secret Power
+ Iron Head
Mou.

 

[TehBo49]

@ Mawile

Torkoal @ Leftovers
Brave
White Smoke
252 HP/24 Atk/64 Def/100 Sp Atk/70 Sp Def, 0 Spe IVs
-Fire Blast
-Gyro Ball
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge

 

[boo836]

Platypus, mawile can't go in on gastrodon. =/

Seriously, does anyone even know what a counter is?

@ Torkoal

Blastoise: @ leftovers
adamant
252 hp, 252 att, 6 def
-Fake out
-Ice punch/ substitute
-Aqua jet
-Earthquake

The only reason i listed another option for a move is not for the counter, but for usability if anyone wants to use this set.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

^You clearly don't. All counters must have 4 moves. Your turtle has failed to fulfill that requirement.

@Torkoal

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Rain Dish / Modest
252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
~Surf
~Energy Ball
~Synthesis
~Ice Beam

-Ter

 

[IC3R]

^You clearly don't. All counters must have 4 moves. Your turtle has failed to fulfill that requirement.

@Torkoal

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Rain Dish / Modest
252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd / 6 HP
~Surf
~Energy Ball
~Synthesis
~Ice Beam

-Ter

Okay, that is the second Ludicolo in less than two pages...

I know Ludi is a great counter to more than half the crap in BL/UU, but seriously...I've had enough of them.


Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Sassy / Snow Warning
EVs - 252 HP, 40 SpAtt, 216 SpDef
~Blizzard
~Focus Punch
~Leech Seed
~Substitute

I have just enough SpDef to put up a Sub and you be unable to bust it with Ice Beam. Focus Punch and Leech Seed are great moves behind a Sub, and Blizzard is a perfect attack to use with Snow Warning.


Now seriously, no more Ludicolos for a while...

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Okay, that is the second Ludicolo in less than two pages...

I know Ludi is a great counter to more than half the crap in BL/UU, but seriously...I've had enough of them.


Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Sassy / Snow Warning
EVs - 252 HP, 40 SpAtt, 216 SpDef
~Blizzard
~Focus Punch
~Leech Seed
~Substitute

I have just enough SpDef to put up a Sub and you be unable to bust it with Ice Beam. Focus Punch and Leech Seed are great moves behind a Sub, and Blizzard is a perfect attack to use with Snow Warning.


Now seriously, no more Ludicolos for a while...

Well I guess it's my bad. I didn't look at the previous other pages, so I just picked Ludi at random.

I'll counter that...soon...

-Ter

 

[Platypus]

Hitmontop w/Expert Belt
Adamant/Technician
55 HP/ 200 Atk./120 Def./135 Sp. Def.
+ Triple Kick
+ Bullet Punch
+ Stone Edge
+ Dig
Actually, I have no idea if this works. Either way, *ZHIT-ZHIT-ZHIT-PONK-ZHIT-TOOM!-ZHIT-TOOM!*

 

[IC3R]

Hitmontop w/Expert Belt
Adamant/Technician
55 HP/ 200 Atk./120 Def./135 Sp. Def.
+ Triple Kick
+ Bullet Punch
+ Stone Edge
+ Dig
Actually, I have no idea if this works. Either way, *ZHIT-ZHIT-ZHIT-PONK-ZHIT-TOOM!-ZHIT-TOOM!*

Ouch (>_<) Triple Kick TechTop owns...

Vileplume @ Black Sludge
Timid / Chlorophyll
EVs - 244 HP, 248 SpAtt, 16 Spd
~Solarbeam
~Hidden Power [Fire]
~Sludge Bomb
~Sunny Day

Your strongest attack against me is Stone Edge, and that's a measley 4HKO, thanks to Black Sludge. Meanwhile, Sunny Day will boost my Speed so I can outrun Max Speed Base 90's, and give Solarbeam the juice it needs to swiftly silence TechTop in a bright burst of death--in a mere two turns

STAB Sunnybeam owns

 

[Pink Reaper]

@Vileplume


Alteria@Leftovers
Adamant/Serene Grace
252Atk/252Spe/4Hp
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Roost

STAB Sunnybeam pales in comparison to STAB outrage.

 

[Platypus]

I want to use Lunatone to counter Altaria. I won't, I guess...

Wormadam (T) w/Ganlon Berry
(+Def. -Speed)/Anticipation
255 Atk./ 255 Def.
+ Natural Gift
+ Gyro Ball
+ Gunk Shot
+ Thief ( _q O n O p_ )
Natural Gift is as icy as a stormy, icy crab.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Lol, actually that doesn't work. If you come in on Outrage your health gets knocked down to under 25%(since you'd get hit twice) activating the Ganlon Berry before you can use Natural Gift

 

[Platypus]

Come again?

In Generation III, a Berry that activated was consumed at the end of a turn. This changed?
If so, substitute in a Yache Berry, though it's really of no external use.

 

[sonofthesky]

Is it okay for me to use a uber If I make Really easy to counter?

Hint: Starts with a H.

 

[darth meanie]

You want an easy Uber to counter? Use Darkrai.

Freaking Primeape counters it.

Anyways, I would counter your wormadam, but I can't tell which kind it is, so I won't.

 

[sonofthesky]

Ho-oh@Choice Band
Evs: 252 atk 252 spd 4 hp
Adament

Sacred fire.


Wooo.

 

[Platypus]

The Wormadam was Trash Cloak- hence the "T". The other two versions can't learn Gunk Shot or Gyro Ball.

Sacred Fire is physical? Who hath imagined?

At any rate, against Juárro:

Omastar w/Life Orb
Modest/Swift Swim
255 Sp. Atk./108 Def./ 147 Sp. Def.
+ Rain Dance
+ Ancientpower
+ Earth Power
+ Hydro Pump
Speed is a minor point here, but, y'know, whatever.

 

[0RLY]

@ Omastar:

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Calm/Levitate
252 HP/16 SpA/216 SpD/24 Spe
- Energy Ball
- Power Gem
- Shadow Ball
- HP (Fight)

Survives the Hydro Pump, outspeeds, and ohkos w/ Energy Ball.

 

[sonofthesky]

Lv 90 Darkrai@Lagging tail (To make it fair)
252 sp def 252 spatk 4 spd
Modest
Dark pulse
Dark void
Pschic
Focus punch

Thanks for the advice.

 

[TehBo49]

@ Darkrai

Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Modest
Insomnia
116 HP/252 Sp Atk/136 Spe
-Dark Pulse
-Shadow Ball
-HP Fighting
-Nasty Plot

No more ubers.

 

[sonofthesky]

*Was about to use Kyogre*

..****.

 

[0RLY]

@ Honchkrow:

Mantine @ Leftovers
Modest/Swift Swim
108 HP/252 SpA/148 Spe
- Rain Dance
- Hydro Pump
- HP (Grass)
- Ice Beam

Good sp.def allows me to switch in. Speed lets me outspeed you. I can setup and stuf.... blah blah blah... this game is dying. Maybe we should change the rules a bit to brighten things up.

 

[Platypus]

First of all, we need a comprehensive scoring system. 2 points are awarded for an OU counter, 1 point is awarded for an Uber counter or an anti-Choice immunity, a BL counter gets 4 points, 5 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for an OU or BL is complex, and 6 points are awarded for NU, complex UU, and NFE.

2 points are subtracted for an Uber, OU, or BL counter that fails, while 1 point is lost for any failure of lower rank.

 

[IC3R]

First of all, we need a comprehensive scoring system. 2 points are awarded for an OU counter, 1 point is awarded for an Uber counter or an anti-Choice immunity, a BL counter gets 4 points, 5 points are given if a counter is UU or if the strategy for an OU or BL is complex, and 6 points are awarded for NU, complex UU, and NFE.

2 points are subtracted for an Uber, OU, or BL counter that fails, while 1 point is lost for any failure of lower rank.

Interesting proposition...

Surskit sweep = OVER 9000!!!!!!!! points