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0RLY

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@ Trapinch: Lol, Arena Trap.

Empoleon @ Leftovers
Torrent/Timid
252sp.atk/216spe/40hp
-Grass Knot
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Agility

Goodbye. Agility+EV distribution outspeeds anything I know without a scarf. Resists everthing you have. After Agility, proceed to sweep with ANY of my 3 attacks.
-
 

jigglyppuff8

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Heracross @ Choice Scarf
Jolly/Guts
252 Atk/252 Spd/6 HP
Close Combat
Pusrsuit
Stone Edge
Night Slash

I'm not really caring ATM...
Gliscor @ leftovers
Sand Veil
Impish (+def - sp. atk)
252 HP/252 atk/ 6 atk
~Earthquake
~Aerial Ace
~Taunt
~Roost

<_< Same boring Gliscor used as a hera counter. resists... high def... blah blah blah...
 

0RLY

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@Gliscor: I think you mean Sand Veil. Sand Stream only belongs to Tyranitar and Hippowdon

Articuno @ Leftovers
Pressure/Impish
100sp.atk/252hp/100def/56sp.def
-Ice Beam
-Roost
-Protect
-HP (Electric)

Bulky BoltBeamer. Invulnerable to EQ and takes little to no damage from AA.
 

jigglyppuff8

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@ Swampert

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Modest (+sp. atk - atk)
Rain Dish
252 HP/200 sp. atk/50 def/8 speed
~Rain Dance
~Leech Seed
~Substitute
~Giga Drain

Stone Edge and Avalanche(no boost) barely leaves a scratch with 252 HP/50 def. 200 sp. atk is the bare minimum required to KO swampert with giga drain. Avalanche won't recieve a boost due to all but the KOing attack being status. 8 speed just outspeeds swampert. Resistant to all other attacks. Rain Dance and sub-seed plus leftovers for massive recovery.

EDIT: Don't you just hate it when you are posting a counter the same time as someone else?:p
 

Kips

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Leafeon @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature
Ability: Leaf Guard
200 HP/200 Attack/104 Defense/6 Speed
-Leaf Blade
-Aerial Ace
-X-Scissor
-Swords Dance
Swords Dances up while you can do nothing but tickle me. Aerial Ace should OHKO, especially with Swords Dance.
 

jigglyppuff8

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Heatran @ Muscle Band
Adamant (+ atk - sp. atk)
Flash Fire
252 HP/ 252 atk/ 252 sp. def
~Fire Fang
~Stone Edge
~Earthquake
~Crunch

*Yawn* I'm tired... On Topic: Physical Heatran, lol. Resists all of Charizard's attacks. KOs with stone Edge. Earthquake if you roost (Charizard is faster than Heatran and therefore, loses its ground immune). Other moves are filler.
 

MysticKenji

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Heatran @ Muscle Band
Adamant (+ atk - sp. atk)
Flash Fire
252 HP/ 252 atk/ 252 sp. def
~Fire Fang
~Stone Edge
~Earthquake
~Crunch

*Yawn* I'm tired... On Topic: Physical Heatran, lol. Resists all of Charizard's attacks. KOs with stone Edge. Earthquake if you roost (Charizard is faster than Heatran and therefore, loses its ground immune). Other moves are filler.
Flygon @ Expert Belt
(+Def, -Speed)
252 HP/152 Attack/100 Sp.Attack/4 Defense
-EQ
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Draco Meteor
 

TombStone

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Flygon @ Expert Belt
(+Def, -Speed)
252 HP/152 Attack/100 Sp.Attack/4 Defense
-EQ
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Draco Meteor
Interesting Flygon set, no speed whatsoever...?

Wailord @ Leftovers
Water Veil
Modest
EVs: 252 HP /10 SpAtk / 248 Speed
-Water Spout
-Ice Beam
-HP [Electric]
-Rest

Massive HP allows it to take an attack on the switch. Has just enough speed to outrun Flygon (why so down on the speed?) --> Ice Beam is quadrupled in power.
 

IC3R

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Wailord @ Leftovers
Water Veil
Modest
EVs: 252 HP /10 SpAtk / 248 Speed
-Water Spout
-Ice Beam
-HP [Electric]
-Rest
Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Calm / Pressure
EVs - 252 HP, 156 Def, 100 SpDf
~Seismic Toss
~Night Shade
~Substitute
~Pain Split

Pain Split makes massive HP a very bad thing for you. Having low HP means Water Spout is dangerously nonexistant and means you will probably Rest, making for an easy KO with SubSplit and TossShade (which nothing resists, BTW :chuckle: ).

EDIT: BTW, nice avatar Tombstone!
 

shadydentist

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@dusknoir

Wallrein @ leftovers
Calm / thick fat
180 hp,120 sp. def,
Encore
Swagger
Protect
Rest

Encores whatever you try to do, then stalls you out with protect and swagger.
 

IC3R

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@dusknoir

Wallrein @ leftovers
Calm / thick fat
180 hp,120 sp. def,
Encore
Swagger
Protect
Rest

Encores whatever you try to do, then stalls you out with protect and swagger.
What about my Sub? Swagger wouldn't affect it; however, not too bad. Assuming that works:

Skarmory @ Salac Berry
Jolly / Sturdy
EVs - 200 Att, 56 Def, 252 Spd
~Drill Peck
~Night Slash
~Swords Dance
~Taunt

Taunt + Staller + Steel-type = NVE Struggle, which allows me to SD like CRAZY. I could just stall until I get the Salac boost, which will allow me outspeed a truckload of stuff, but that will take FOREVER, so I'll just Drill Ra--I-I mean Peck you to death...

BRING ON THE COUNTER!!!!! :mad:
 

jigglyppuff8

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Magnezone @ Leftovers
Modest (+ sp. atk - atk)
Magnet Pull
252 def/252 sp. atk/6 HP
~Thunderbolt
~HP Ice
~Magnet Rise
~Substitute

Takes less than half damage from any of your attacks(full swords dance calculations added). Traps with Magnet pull. OHKOs with thunderbolt.
 

IC3R

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Magnezone @ Leftovers
Modest (+ sp. atk - atk)
Magnet Pull
252 def/252 sp. atk/6 HP
~Thunderbolt
~HP Ice
~Magnet Rise
~Substitute

Takes less than half damage from any of your attacks(full swords dance calculations added). Traps with Magnet pull. OHKOs with thunderbolt.
Ouch, forgot about Zone...Too bad Skarmory lost HP Ground in the gen shift. Zone wouldn't be such a great counter then >___>;

Gardevoir @ Leftovers
Bold / Trace
EVs - 236 HP, 252 Def, 20 SpDf
~Shadow Ball
~Hidden Power [Fighting]
~Will 'o' Wisp
~Calm Mind

Garde rules. Period. WoW covers poor defenses, and Calm Mind ups the Power of my attacks, and lessens the damage done by yours. Ghosting, of course, is resisted by nothing.

PH34R M3 N00B5!!!!
 

bladeofapollo

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Gardevoir @ Leftovers
Bold / Synchronize
EVs - 236 HP, 252 Def, 20 SpDf
~Shadow Ball
~Hidden Power [Fighting]
~Will 'o' Wisp
~Calm Mind
Out of curiosity, why would you have Synchronize on Gardy over Trace when fighting a Zone? Trace give you Magnet Pull so that you can Calm Mind until it dies and Synchronize makes using Will-o-Wisp hard to use.
 

IC3R

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Out of curiosity, why would you have Synchronize on Gardy over Trace when fighting a Zone? Trace give you Magnet Pull so that you can Calm Mind until it dies and Synchronize makes using Will-o-Wisp hard to use.
Yeah, I guess you're right. Anyway, someone needs to counter Garde.
 

Terywj [태리]

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IC3R, looks like you're back and kicking huh?

@Garde
Gallade @ Expert Belt
Adamant/Steadfast
252 Atk/192 Spd/66 Sp Def
~Swords Dance
~Will-o-wisp
~Close Combat
~Night Slash
 

0RLY

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@Terrywj:

Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Pressure/Impish
252HP/72def/184atk
-Aerial Ace
-Attack Order
-Heal Order
-Pursuit

2x resists Close Combat. Blah blah blah... yawn.
 

MysticKenji

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@Terrywj:

Vespiquen @ Leftovers
Pressure/Impish
252HP/72def/184atk
-Aerial Ace
-Attack Order
-Heal Order
-Pursuit

2x resists Close Combat. Blah blah blah... yawn.
Aron @ Leftovers
Rock Head
(+Defense, -Sp.Attack)
252 HP/252 Def/4 Attack
-Rock Slide
-EQ
-Toxic
-Stealth Rock

Stealth Rock is now in play kthx
 

Platypus

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As per the rules, he totally can. Unless someone sends a Rapid Spinner out soon, we'll need mineral monsters...

Clefable w/ Chople Berry (removes her only weakness)
Bold/Magic Guard
255 Speed/ 255 Def.
+ Encore
+ Focus Blast
+ Psychic
+ Toxic

I love Encore. Here, Stealth Rocks are layered on while I use Focus Blast.
 

TombStone

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Vs. Gyarados:

Jumpluff w/ Magnet
Hasty/Levitate
255 Sp. Atk./ 255 Speed (faster)
+ HP Electric
+ Silver Wind
+ Attract
+ Bounce

Assuming an Earthquake to start (logically), I have naught to fear. HP Electric causes death.
You can't assume they're going to use a certain move. Even in the real metagame, certain swaps get predictable.

Steelix @ Leftovers
Impish
Sturdy
EVs: 210 HP / 100 Atk / 100 Def / 100 SpDef
-Ice Fang
-Thunder Fang
-Earthquake
-Taunt

Resists all of Jumpluff's attacks and OHKOs w/ Ice Fang. You didn't list a gender for Jumpluff, so Steelix is the same gender to prevent Attract.

If it has to counter Gyarados, the spead will allow it to take EQs and a x4 powered Thunder Fang should do the trick (Intimidate isn't in effect because Steelix switched in).
 

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vs. Cloyster (wrong nature btw)

Mawile @ Life Orb
Adamant/Hyper Cutter
252atk/252sp.def/6spe
-Rock Slide
-Thunder Fang
-Ice Fang
-Swords Dance

Rock Slide or Thunder Fang should KO you after a SD and SR.
 

TombStone

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Vs. ...Mawile?

Awesome.

Sceptile w/ Leppa Berry
Brave/Overgrow
252 Sp. Atk./ 252 Def./ 6 HP
+ Protect
+ Detect
+ Giga Drain
+ Focus Blast

Perfect Defense combo + Leppa Berry= slow, painful death. Focus Blast is for Skarmories.
Protect and Detect use the same counter and therefore =/= perfect defense combo. And the Leppa Berry...cures paralysis?

Blaziken @ Leftovers
Adamant
Blaze
EVs: 112 HP / 252 Atk / 144 Speed
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-Sky Uppercut
-Feint

EV spread allows Blaziken to just outrun Sceptile. Feint breaks through Protect/Detect if you try to stall. STAB Flare Blitz with Max Attack will OHKO.
 

0RLY

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@TombStone: Leppa Berry restores PP I think

Gyrados @ Salac Berry
Intimidate/Adamant
252atk/116hp/140spe
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Flail (lol magikarp)
-Endure

Just outspeeds you with my EV spread. Intimidate weakens your attack stat and kills you with Waterfall. Endure+Salac+Flail to cause pain on other counters.
 

Platypus

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That one again? Huff.

Vs. Zapdos:
Shedinja w/-
No. I'm using an experimental monster. Feel free to ignore it.

Jolteon w/Focus Sash
Serious/Volt Absorb
255 Atk. /255 Speed (faster)
+ Flail
+ Yawn
+ Endure
+ Rest

When he switches in, he absorbs the Thunderbolt. Being faster by a wide margin, he unleashes Yawn and suffers ES or HP Ice, hanging on with the Sash. He then uses Endure to survive any further assault, whereupon Zap sleeps, allowing Flail to take the bird down.

Meh.
 

0RLY

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@Terrywj: What if I endure the turn you thunderbolt, receive salac's speed boost and KO you with Flail?

@Platypus: Jolteon gets Flail?

@Jolteon:

Banette @ Metronome
Insomnia/Adamant
252hp/252atk/6spe
-Shadow Sneak
-Pursuit
-Payback
-Will O Wisp
 

Kips

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Chatot @ Leftovers
Mild Nature
Ability: Soundproof
252 Special Attack/252 Speed
-Encore
-Nasty Plot
-Hyper Voice
-Chatter
Alright people, please stop escalating this into OU and reusing the same pokemon. It gets boring to see Gyarados and the like so many times.

Encores the Earthquake that you would have used to kill Houndoom and Nasty Plots up before Hyper Voice/Chatter'ing you to death.
 
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