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The Old Counter Game

0RLY

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Starmie @ Expert Belt
Modest/Natural Cure
252sp.atk/252spd/6def
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-HP Ground

OTKs Gliscor with ice beam. Sturdy enough to survive any of your attacks, even EQ. Massive type coverage.
 

Kips

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Blissey @ Leftovers
Modest Nature
Ability: Serene Grace (Heh heh.)
EVs: 252 HP/200 Defense/56 Special Defense
-Seismic Toss
-Thunderbolt
-Softboiled
-Light Screen
Switch in on ANYTHING, sets up a Light Screen and then Softboils to laugh as you ping off of it. Thunderbolt or Seismic Toss will kill you in short order.
 

Terywj [태리]

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Electivire @ Expert Belt
Adamant/Motor Drive
202 Atk/252 HP/52 Spd
~Thunderbolt
~Cross Chop
~Earthquake
~Ice Punch
Motor Drive leaves you w/Seismic Toss. KO's you with Cross Chop.
 

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Swampert @ Leftovers
Jolly/Torrent
252 spd/252 atk/6 def
-Earthquake
-Waterfall
-Ice Punch
-Counter

Outspeeds electivire by 1 point. Choose your fate, STAB SE EQ, Counter, or Torrent'd STAB Waterfall. All of these will tear through your pitiful defense stat. Resists Tbolt, & takes neutral damage from all of your attacking moves, rendering your expert belt useless.
 

0RLY

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Terry, your Electrode is more than twice as fast as Kenji's Skarmory! You could outspeed it with 0 IVs and EVs. Anyways...

Lanturn @ Leftovers
Modest/Volt Absorb
252sp.atk/54 hp/239sp.def
-Thunder Bolt
-Ice Beam
-Confuse Ray
-Substitute

Eats your electric attacks and laughs at your hidden power. Subs to survive explosion. Confuse Ray to stall and heal sub damage. BoltBeam for coverage as SurfBeam gets walled by Waters and SurfBolt gets walled by Grass.
 

TombStone

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Against Lanturn:
Camerupt w/ Leftovers
Modest/ Magma Armor
255 Atk./51 HP/239 Sp. Def.
+ Earthquake
+ Captivate
+ Will-O-Wisp
+ Amnesia

Amnesiac heroics combine with Quake and WOW Power to form a completely stoppable Camerupt.
Lol, really worked on that Special Defense, didn't you?

Charizard @ Salac Berry
Jolly / Blaze
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed
-Substitute
-Bellidrum
-Firepunch
-Earthquake

SubDrumSweep. Amnesia is for SpDefense, WoW doesn't hit Fire types, Captivate doesn't matter as it hits SpAtk, and Earthquake can't hit Charizard.
 

shadydentist

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@charizard
Aerodactyl @ life orb
Jolly/Rock Head
252 atk, 252 speed, 6 hp
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Ice Fang
Taunt

If you bdrum on the switch, stone edge finishes you off. If you sub on the switch, taunt stops you from belly drumming, then rock slide until you die.
 

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@charizard
Aerodactyl @ life orb
Jolly/Rock Head
252 atk, 252 speed, 6 hp
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Ice Fang
Taunt

If you bdrum on the switch, stone edge finishes you off. If you sub on the switch, taunt stops you from belly drumming, then rock slide until you die.
:/

Swampert @ Iron Ball
Torrent: Relaxed
252 HP, 64 Attack, 136 Defense, 56 Sp. Attack
Earthquake
Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Fling

Mixpert. With Fling, Cresselia isn't a viable counter.
 

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@Swampert

Octillery @ Expert Belt
Sniper/Modest
252sp.atk/196hp/60spd
-Surf
-Energy Ball
-Flamethrower
-Ice Beam

One speed point higher than Swampert. Sweep with Energy Ball. Please don't counter with Bliss. I've seen about 15 of them already.
 

Terywj [태리]

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Zapdos @ Leftovers
Modest/Pressure
252 Sp Atk/252 Spd/6 HP
~Thunderbolt
~HP {Ice}
~Extrasensory
~Roost
Ehh...I'm not too sure about this one...
 

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@Terrywj: That Zapdos would do better if you throw some sp.def at the expense of speed. Octillery only has base 55(?) speed anyways.

@Platypus: Impish is def+ sp.atk-. You're talking about Mild. Quagsire doesn't get Torrent either. Anyways...

@Quagsire
Lapras @ Leftovers
Water Absorb/Mild
252sp.atk/252hp/6atk
-Dragon Dance
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Shard
-Hidden Power [Grass]

Okay coverage. Eats your Muddy Water, encore fails when switched in, double resist ice beam, lefties takes care of sandstorm. More of a counter than a good poke but whatev.... DDance is tricky, people think, "Wha? Phys Sweeper?" In reality, Lapras' base atk is the same as it's base sp.atk. That leads them to switching in walls which are shot down by my sp. attacks and finished off with a surprise STAB, boosted ice shard.

EDIT: Uhh... me and terry kinda posted at the same time.... now what?
 

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I'll choose to counter Terry's Abomasnow.

Hitmonchan @ Expert Belt
Ability: Iron FIst
EVs: 252 Attack/252 Speed/6 Special Defense
Adamant Nature
-Close Combat
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
-Thunder Punch
Huge type coverage. 4x Weak+Expert Belt+Iron Fist boost=Dead, from Fire Punch. With base 110 special defense, you're landing little wiffleball hits.
 

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@Terrywj: Aw... I was busy typing up that mini paragraph, ah well.

@Platypus: What if I use Dragon Dance first, hmm?

@Hitmonchan

Weezing @ Black Sludge
Bold/Levitate
252def/252sp.atk/6hp
-Sludge Bomb
-Pain Split
-Will O Wisp
-Flamethrower

Phys Wall. Will O Wisps to cripple, heals with Pain Split. Finishes with Sludge Bomb. Flame so Steels don't wall me.
 

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At Weezing:

Espeon @ Expert Belt
EVS: 252 Speed/252 Special Attack
Ability: Synchronize
-Psychic
-Hidden Power [Fighting]
-Shadow Ball
-Grass Knot

Massive type coverage. If you W-o-W you only shoot yourself in the foot as you Burn yourself, and I don't rely on my physical prowess. I OHKO you with Psychic and don't die to anything on the switch. BAM!
 

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@Platypus: Your Smeargle is not fast enough to outrun his Espeon. You would switch in, and hang on with your sash, but then Espeon would merely kill you next turn before you could Imprison it.

I'll counter later...
 

Terywj [태리]

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Weavile @ Leftovers
Adamant/Pressure
252 Atk/252 Sp Def/6 HP
~Brick Break
~Ice Punch
~Aerial Ace
~Shadow Claw
Resists HP Ghost, immune to Psychic, handles Grass Knot well. Owns with Brick Break.
 

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Terrywj's Weavile is faster than your Pinsir. You would survive on the switch but get finished off with Aerial Ace since Weavile still gets the first attack. Quick Claw isn't viable in the Counter Game because it happens randomly. Your nature, Bold also drops your attack stat.
 

jigglyppuff8

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Hariyama @ Coba Berry
Impish
Thick Fat
252 HP/252 def/6 atk

~Bullet Punch
~Brick Break
~Stone Edge
~Payback

Coba Berry Reduces Flying type damage so I should be safe of the switchin. Bullet Punch does considerable damage I believe. STABed Brick Break, I believe, should OHKO Weavile. Thick Fat reduces the damage of Ice Punch.
 

Terywj [태리]

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Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish/Hyper Cutter
252 HP/212 Def/46 Atk
~Knock Off
~Swords Dance
~Earthquake
~Aerial Ace
I'm not sure...but Knocks Off your berry, SD's->Aerial Ace->KO?
 

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Hariyama @ Coba Berry
Impish
Thick Fat
252 HP/252 def/6 atk

~Bullet Punch
~Brick Break
~Stone Edge
~Payback

Coba Berry Reduces Flying type damage so I should be safe of the switchin. Bullet Punch does considerable damage I believe. STABed Brick Break, I believe, should OHKO Weavile. Thick Fat reduces the damage of Ice Punch.
 

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Hariyama @ Coba Berry
Impish
Thick Fat
252 HP/252 def/6 atk

~Bullet Punch
~Brick Break
~Stone Edge
~Payback

Coba Berry Reduces Flying type damage so I should be safe of the switchin. Bullet Punch does considerable damage I believe. STABed Brick Break, I believe, should OHKO Weavile. Thick Fat reduces the damage of Ice Punch.
 

Kips

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Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish/Hyper Cutter
252 HP/212 Def/46 Atk
~Knock Off
~Swords Dance
~Earthquake
~Aerial Ace
I'm not sure...but Knocks Off your berry, SD's->Aerial Ace->KO?
Holy triple post, Batman! Btw- We seem to be getting into the trend of recycling pokemon. Time to mix it up!

Scizor @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 HP/252 Attack/6 Defense
Ability: Technician
-Metal Claw
-Aerial Ace
-Double Hit
-Roost
This should work, as I can switch in on anything with my massive defense and decent HP. I can afford to take off a Knock Off, Earthquake or Aerial Ace with minimal damage and Roost of the damage (Yes, Scizor gets Roost) and then hit you with a Technician'd Metal Claw with a good chance of an attack bonus. Double Hit can wreck you as it comes out to 105 power total after Technician, off of my 130 base attack that is maxed out in EVs.
 

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Holy triple post, Batman! Btw- We seem to be getting into the trend of recycling pokemon. Time to mix it up!

Scizor @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature
EVs: 252 HP/252 Attack/6 Defense
Ability: Technician
-Metal Claw
-Aerial Ace
-Double Hit
-Roost
This should work, as I can switch in on anything with my massive defense and decent HP. I can afford to take off a Knock Off, Earthquake or Aerial Ace with minimal damage and Roost of the damage (Yes, Scizor gets Roost) and then hit you with a Technician'd Metal Claw with a good chance of an attack bonus. Double Hit can wreck you as it comes out to 105 power total after Technician, off of my 130 base attack that is maxed out in EVs.
Mawile @ Expert Belt
Intimidate / Adamant
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 SpDef
-Sucker Punch
-Swords Dance
-Fire Fang
-Ice Fang

Pure steel resists all of your attacks. Decent attack + x4 power w/ FireFang will OHKO.
 

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Walrein @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Modest Nature
EVs: 252 HP/252 Special Attack/6 Defense
-Encore
-Surf
-Hidden Power [Ground]
-Ice Beam

Walrein is very bulky and Thick Fat makes sure that Fire and Ice Fang don't even faze me, especially since I'm neutral to Fire and 4x resistant to Ice. Sucker Punch can't touch me if I spam Encore, eventually forcing you to either Fire Fang or Ice Fang, and if I Encore Swords Dance, it's over for you. I can 2HKO you with Hidden Power [Ground], so KO power isn't an issue.
 

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@Walrein

Machamp @ Life Orb
No Guard/Adamant
252 atk/84spd/174hp
-Dynamic Punch
-Stone Edge
-Bullet Punch
-Ice Punch

Outspeeds you by 1 point. OHKO with Dynamic Punch. Should you survive, you'll be crippled by the confusion.
 

Terywj [태리]

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Blaziken @ Leftovers
Adamant/Blaze
252 Spd/252 Def/6 HP
~Aerial Ace
~Swords Dance
~Shadow Claw
~Brick Break
I don't know the necessary Spd EV's to outspeed your Machamp...
 
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