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The Old Counter Game

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TombStone

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Kips said:
Weezing @ Black Sludge
Bold Nature
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 200 HP/252 Defense/58 Special Attack
-Sludge Bomb
-Will-o-Wisp
-Pain Split
-Thunderbolt

Comes in on anything and takes relatively little damage, avoids Earthquake completely. It then proceeds to Will-o-Wisp you to reduce your damage to shards, going down to about 1/3-1/4 of its health and Pain Splits. Then it destroys you with Thunderbolt, which your meager Special Defense can't handle.
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Camerupt @ Leftovers
Quiet Nature
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpAtk
-Yawn
-Protect
-Eruption
-Earthquake

Thunderbolt and Will-o-Wisp have no effect while Sludge Bomb is ineffective. Comes in, Yawns and stalls for HP recovery. Then it erupts until you're dead. (150 base attack + STAB hitting Weezing's mediocre Special Defense would probably 2HKO at worst).

For counters, it Yawns as they switch in and Protects on the subsequent turn. It then blasts away at your HP while you sleep (and hopefully stay asleep).
 
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Countering Camerupt

Mantine @ Leftovers
Hasty Nature
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 HP/252 Spd/6 Special Defense
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Sleep Talk
-Rest
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm at school right now and sort of can't get to check Mantines stats. However I do know it has base 140 special defense, takes laughable Eruption damage and avoids Earthquake completely. Status has no effect on someone who can Sleep Talk and Rest, Surf and Ice Beam both clobber Camerupt horribly.
 
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Kips said:
Countering Camerupt

Mantine @ Leftovers
Hasty Nature
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 HP/252 Spd/6 Special Defense
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Sleep Talk
-Rest
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm at school right now and sort of can't get to check Mantines stats. However I do know it has base 140 special defense, takes laughable Eruption damage and avoids Earthquake completely. Status has no effect on someone who can Sleep Talk and Rest, Surf and Ice Beam both clobber Camerupt horribly.
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lol, I had a feeling Mantine was coming. Nice pick.

Hitmonchan @ Choice Scarf
Adamant Nature
Iron Fist
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed
-Thunderpunch
-Icepunch
-Firepunch
-CloseCombat

Comes in with a 110 Base SpDefense eating whatever attack you throw. Thunderpunch for a quick KO.
 
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Alakazam @ Focus Sash
Hasty Nature
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Special Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
-Counter
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast
-Psychic
Since you only have physical moves, Alakazam survives despite his meager HP and defenses with a Focus Sash and then Counters you to death, then taking potshots at the next incoming pokemon with its sky-high special attack.
 
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The alakazam is not a counter. Medicham is faster with choice scarf, and hits you on the switch, and then kills you before you can do anything.
 
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Adamant medicham with 252 speed evs hits 322 speed, which with choice scarf goes to 483.

Hasty alakazam with 252 speed evs hits 435.
 
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Hitmonchan is Scarfed. As a result, it has a Speed of 376. Alakazam has Max Speed, but not a ChoiceScarf. Its resulting speed is only 372.

So basically, Hitmonchan takes a chunk out on the turn Alakazam swaps in and finishes the job next turn. Hitmonchan is still in play.
 
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Swellow@Focus Sash
Guts
Jolly 252/252/6 P.Sweeper Spread
-Fly
-Facade
-U-Turn
-Protect

Hang on with FocusSash then suicide with brave bird. Do I still win? Lol j/k. How about fly? Switching out doesn't count right?
 
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0RLy said:
Swellow@Focus Sash
Guts
Jolly 252/252/6 P.Sweeper Spread
-Fly
-Facade
-U-Turn
-Protect

Hang on with FocusSash then suicide with brave bird. Do I still win? Lol j/k. How about fly? Switching out doesn't count right?
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Aerial Ace?

anyway:

Magnezone @ Life Orb
Magnet Pull: Modest
252 Speed, 252 Sp. Atk, 4 Defense
T-Bolt
HP Fire
Magnet Rise
Sunny Day

quickly made, but meh
 
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Um...that Staraptor didn't counter Hitmonchan. ScarfChan outspeeds it, so Staraptor would have eaten two thunderpunches and died. Whatever...

ss118 said:
Aerial Ace?

anyway:

Magnezone @ Life Orb
Magnet Pull: Modest
252 Speed, 252 Sp. Atk, 4 Defense
T-Bolt
HP Fire
Magnet Rise
Sunny Day

quickly made, but meh
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Slaking @ Choice Band
Truant / Adamant
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed
-Giga Impact
-Earthquake
-Hammer Arm
-Shadow Claw

Comes in and takes an attack with its massive HP. If you did attack, Earthquake will kill you. If you used Magnet Rise, Hammer Arm will do just fine.
 
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TombStone said:
Um...that Staraptor didn't counter Hitmonchan. ScarfChan outspeeds it, so Staraptor would have eaten two thunderpunches and died. Whatever...



Slaking @ Choice Band
Truant / Adamant
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed
-Giga Impact
-Earthquake
-Hammer Arm
-Shadow Claw

Comes in and takes an attack with its massive HP. If you did attack, Earthquake will kill you. If you used Magnet Rise, Hammer Arm will do just fine.
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Mismagius @ Focus Sash
Mild Nature
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Special Attack/252 Speed/6 Health
-Protect
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt

Comes in on three out of four of your moves. If it's Shadow Claw, I take the hit and then hammer you with Focus Blast or Thunderbolt (Shadow Ball is there for coverage). I then use Protect when you're not slacking off and can alternate back and forth until you are dead.
 
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Garchomp @ Life Orb
Adamant/Sand Veil
252 Atk/252 Spd/6 HP
~Brick Break
~Earthquake
~Dragon Claw
~Shadow Claw

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 90% sure this works.
 
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@TombStone: It's a Swellow, max speed and jolly reaches 383 speed. 383>376. The next turn it eats aerial ace, or whatever. I'm not sure if aerial ace is strong enough to KO chan though, which is why I went with fly/bravebird =P

@Terrywj: Standard Weavile...

Weavile@Focus Sash
Jolly/Pressure
252/252/6 Phys. Sweeper spread
-Ice Punch
-Brick Break
-Night Slash
-Ice Shard
 
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0RLy said:
@TombStone: It's a Swellow, max speed and jolly reaches 383 speed. 383>376. The next turn it eats aerial ace, or whatever. I'm not sure if aerial ace is strong enough to KO chan though, which is why I went with fly/bravebird =P

@Terrywj: Standard Weavile...

Weavile@Focus Sash
Jolly/Pressure
252/252/6 Phys. Sweeper spread
-Ice Punch
-Brick Break
-Night Slash
-Ice Shard
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My bad, wasn't looking at Swellow's stats >_>

Metagross @ Choice Band
Clear Body / Adamant
252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 SpDef
-Bullet Punch
-EarthQuake
-Pursuit
-Zen Headbutt

Massive defense and no weaknesses. Two Bullet Punches should do the job.
 
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Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Adamant Nature
152 HP/200 Attack/100 Speed/52 Defense
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt

Comes in on anything, the best you can do is hope that Zen Headbutt hurts me a lot. If it comes in on Pursuit, Bullet Punch or EQ you're screwed. Earthquakes you down.
 
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Kips said:
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Adamant Nature
152 HP/200 Attack/100 Speed/52 Defense
-Waterfall
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt

Comes in on anything, the best you can do is hope that Zen Headbutt hurts me a lot. If it comes in on Pursuit, Bullet Punch or EQ you're screwed. Earthquakes you down.
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Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Adamant Nature
148 HP/200 Attack/104 Speed/52 Defense
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt

lol
 
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MysticKenji said:
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Adamant Nature
148 HP/200 Attack/104 Speed/52 Defense
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt

lol
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My glorious return is coming. For now, I leave you with this:

Claydol @ Leftovers
Modest / Levitate
EVs - 252 HP, 120 Def, 16 SpAtt, 120 SpDef
~Earth Power
~Ice Beam
~Charge Beam
~Rest

Resist-immune to EdgeQuake. Charge Beam Gyara to death, raising my SpAtt in the process. Along with Ice Beam, making for a Psuedo-BoltBeam, and Earth Power handles Lanturn and Zone, the two Pokes that are resistant to BoltBeam.

Note: The EVs are inaccurate, but whatever...you get the idea.

Anyway, I shall return soon...permanently...:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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haha so easy to counter

heracross@choice band/choice scarf
252 atk 252 spd 4 hp
adamant/jolly
megahorn
closecombat
stone edge
pursuit

killl you with pursuit or mega horn
 
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Please choose one item and nature because it makes it much easier.

Gliscor @ Leftovers
EVs:100 HP/152 Attack/152 Defense/100 Speed
Adamant Nature (I'm bored, mixing it up)
Ability: Hyper Cutter
-Aerial Ace
-Earthquake
-Roost
-Knock Off
Takes any of your hits for laughable damage. Knock Offs your item so you don't get any boosts, Roosts the damage away and OHKO's you with Aerial Ace.
 
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Floatzel @ Leftovers
252 att/212 Speed/ 40 HP
Jolly
Swift Swim
~Ice Fang
~Taunt
~Bulk Up
~Waterfall

Shuts down with taunt, resists Ice Beam, Bulks up and KO's with Waterfall.

Please provide EVs and nature next time.
 
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Swampert @ Leftovers
252 HP/212 Def/40 att
Torrent
Impish
~Earthquake
~Waterfall
~Avalanche
~Roar
Immune to t-bolt and t-wave, shrugs off Explosion, laughs at HP Ice, and KOs with EQ.
 
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Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Ability: Rain Dish
Mild Nature
EVs: 252 Special Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
-Grass Knot
-Surf
-Substitute
-Ice Beam

Dance to the music! Ludicolo destroys Swampert with a Grass Knot and can set up a Substitute and use his resistances to all of your attacks to his advantage. Ice Beam and Surf provide general coverage.
 
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Blissey @Leftovers
Bold Nature
EVs:252hp/252def/4spdef

Toxic
Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Ice Beam

It breaks your subs easily until you can't Sub anymore. Blissey can just Softboil off any damage.
 
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Machamp@Leftovers
Guts Adamant
252atk 4spd 252hp
-Cross chop
-Bullet punch
-Thunderpunch
-Ice punch

Guts to absorb toxic and otk with boosted cross chop. Can easily absorb 3 seismic tosses and 2hkos with cross chop even if you softboil. 4 speed EVs to outspeed you =P
 
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0RLy said:
Machamp@Leftovers
Guts Adamant
252atk 4spd 252hp
-Cross chop
-Bullet punch
-Thunderpunch
-Ice punch

Guts to absorb toxic and otk with boosted cross chop. Can easily absorb 3 seismic tosses and 2hkos with cross chop even if you softboil. 4 speed EVs to outspeed you =P
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Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Adamant Nature
252 Attack/40 Speed/152 HP/64 Defense
-Brave Bird
-Night Slash
-Roost
-Steel Wing

Just because I was bored. I'm pretty sure this will work as it takes the hit and won't die. Skarmory will be faster with the given EVs and will attempt to alternate between Roost (In which it loses the weakness to Thunderpunch but gains one to Cross Chop, making for some prediction) and 0/2HKO's you with Brave Bird.
 
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Flygon @ Life Orb
Lonely Nature
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Roost
-Flamethrower
Flygon resists Fire Blast and is immune to HP Electric. Assuming I'm the same gender as you, Attract won't even work on me. OHKO/2HKO's you with Earthquake. Flamethrower and Dragon Claw create the FlameClaw combination, which no pokemon resists.
 
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Magnezone @ Lum Berry
Calm Nature
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 Special Attack/252 HP/6 Speed
-Substitute
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power (Ice)
-Flash Cannon
Comes in on anything and practically devours the Thunder Wave if it comes in on that with its Lum Berry and then sets up a Substitute to block any secondary Thunder Wave attempts. 1HKO's with Thunderbolt.
 
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