The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[Deleted member 245254]

I dunno what that is

A character from Rhythm Heaven. (Supposed proof if Chorus Men)

 

[NoiseHERO]

Funny enough Shulk is the least interesting/most boring character in xenoblade chronicals... and the story kinda gary stu's him.

But he is the posterboy so anyone else from the game would be silly.

A metal face assist trophy would be ****ing awesome though.

 

[Vintage Creep]

I'm willing to bet my balls that anyone who doesn't want Shulk or doesn't find him interesting enough never played Xenoblade Chronicles.
People still worried that Sakurai can't pull off an interesting moveset.
Where the **** have you been the last 12 months.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

This works for every character.

DK fans will be the only ones caring if K. Rool or Dixie gets in.
Metroid fans will be the only ones caring if Ridley gets in.

A lot of the people who don't like this leak dislike it because the characters in it don't get them hyped. They don't some/all of the series in it so it doesn't make them care about the characters.

Yep. Though I would say that Shulk would get the most people hyped since his game met critical acclaim and was a smashing success.

Xenoblade Chronicles also seems to have its own cult following.

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno what that is

The Sneaky Spirit from the Sneaky Spirit game in Rhythm Heaven. If every franchize that gets an enemy gets a character, he's pointing out that it makes Chorus Men more likely.

 

[TheAnvil]

I'm not sure if this has been said yet, but depending on what position Sal is in, its entirely possible that the leaked newcomers are the unlocked newcomers on the game from the start. And that he never knew who any of the locked newcomers are. Technically, we could get a 47/48 roster, but considering the brawl demo select screen changed significantly to release, there's no evidence what-so-ever that 47/48 is going to be our roster, aside from what is essentially non-existent logic. Basing the final roster off of the demo screen isn't going to get you any accurate results.

So essentially, there could easily be another few newcomers that are locked. There's certainly a fair amount of evidence that both K. Rool and Ridley would be playable (especially if this Chunky AT turns out to be true, if the RH enemy in Smash Run is indication of Chorus Men, there's certainly reason to believe that the Kremlings are an indication of K. Rool, it's not as if the Tikis didn't already represent DK). And we have the whole FE, KI, Metroid trophy quiz thing in the direct which many believed hinted at newcomers, we already have Palutena, and Chrombo is a part of the last 3 in the Sal leak. I could reasonably see a 52 select screen, with 51 characters + Random obviously taking up a spot.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

But there again, that's such a huge starting roster when you include the obvious starters.

 

[TheAnvil]

But there again, that's such a huge starting roster when you include the obvious starters.

Maybe, but there are several announced veterans that could easily be unlockables. Namely ZSS, Luigi and Sheik, and obviously Megaman, Pac-Man and Sonic.

 

[dezeray112]

I think the characters that were within the E3 demo build (and Smash Invitational) are going to be playable from the start.

 

[TheAnvil]

I think the characters that were within the E3 demo build (and Smash Invitational) are going to be playable from the start.

Megaman was playable in the demo so....

 

[Captain Fun]

I'm not sure if this has been said yet, but depending on what position Sal is in, its entirely possible that the leaked newcomers are the unlocked newcomers on the game from the start. And that he never knew who any of the locked newcomers are. Technically, we could get a 47/48 roster, but considering the brawl demo select screen changed significantly to release, there's no evidence what-so-ever that 47/48 is going to be our roster, aside from what is essentially non-existent logic. Basing the final roster off of the demo screen isn't going to get you any accurate results.

So essentially, there could easily be another few newcomers that are locked. There's certainly a fair amount of evidence that both K. Rool and Ridley would be playable (especially if this Chunky AT turns out to be true, if the RH enemy in Smash Run is indication of Chorus Men, there's certainly reason to believe that the Kremlings are an indication of K. Rool, it's not as if the Tikis didn't already represent DK). And we have the whole FE, KI, Metroid trophy quiz thing in the direct which many believed hinted at newcomers, we already have Palutena, and Chrombo is a part of the last 3 in the Sal leak. I could reasonably see a 52 select screen, with 51 characters + Random obviously taking up a spot.

To be honest I think 50 is pushing it although there could be more than the leak.

How could Sal only know the starter newcomers but not the secret ones? I imagine the developers and game testers, programmers/whatever would have all the characters unlocked for the purpose of testing them. We can't really tell since we don't know this guy's role but... I can't really imagine that scenario.

 

[TheAnvil]

Proof that the ratio of the character select screen boxes changed from Brawl's Demo to the final release:

http://smashboards.com/threads/proo...s-demo-to-the-final-css.358452/#post-16908052

To be honest I think 50 is pushing it although there could be more than the leak.

How could Sal only know the starter newcomers but not the secret ones? I imagine the developers and game testers, programmers/whatever would have all the characters unlocked for the purpose of testing them. We can't really tell since we don't know this guy's role but... I can't really imagine that scenario.

If he works for marketing or something similar, then it'd be entirely possible that he's only told what he needs to know, as in, to market the only newcomers that are going to be announced.

 

[Captain Fun]

If he works for marketing or something similar, then it'd be entirely possible that he's only told what he needs to know, as in, to market the only newcomers that are going to be announced.

True, but:

1. Would the leaker really know that many characters that far ahead of time? Little Mac for example was very far from the original leak date.
2. We have 3 characters remaining in the leak, and it's not long before the game is out in Japan. Will all 3 of them be announced?
3. The Lucas/Ness debate and "Planning DLC" thing also suggest that this guy knows more about the development of the game than what's being marketed- even if neither of these things turn out to be true.
4. Even if he's just in marketing, it would be possible for him to still know secret characters.

Again, there could be more, but this scenario is a little hard to imagine. Either way, right now proving anything about this guy is impossible, other than they know some inside info.

 

[TheAnvil]

True, but:

1. Would the leaker really know that many characters that far ahead of time? Little Mac for example was very far from the original leak date.
2. We have 3 characters remaining in the leak, and it's not long before the game is out in Japan. Will all 3 of them be announced?
3. The Lucas/Ness debate and "Planning DLC" thing also suggest that this guy knows more about the development of the game than what's being marketed- even if neither of these things turn out to be true.
4. Even if he's just in marketing, it would be possible for him to still know secret characters.

Again, there could be more, but this scenario is a little hard to imagine. Either way, right now proving anything about this guy is impossible, other than they know some inside info.

Nintendo always want to minimalize leaks, so they only tell people what they need to know.

I'm not saying that it'll happen, but its entirely possible that those aren't the only newcomers. The Lucas/Ness thing is basically complete BS.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Villager wasn't super obvious, especially since Sakurai had stated in Brawl that he didn't think the character was suitable.

And actually researching the full set of information showed he wanted to add in more characters first. He always thought Villager was suitable, just that he wasn't more important than the Brawl characters. He also did directly call him Villager in the information that StarPhoenix translated for us. Given that the information is public? He wasn't severely hard to guess at all. If you read that particular information, he was too obvious. Because of this overall, he's not a good example.

WFT is still the only one that is actually a very hard one to guess overall. Even so, I am thinking he actually knew some of the information, but it's very clearly he didn't know all of it or is withholding some information.(either or)

 

[Reality_Ciak]

I've finally come to terms and accepted this leak. I rather have Robin than Chrom (love Chrom, he just better stand out compare to Marth and Ike), and I haven't completely warmed up to the idea of Chorus Men, but if they are fun to play as or turn out to just be Marshel, I'll like them. Just not a fan of multi-bodied characters. My profile pic is my attitude towards any character from the leak being confirmed.

My ultimate opinion is that the leak served to get the obvious characters and the characters that would recieve the most negativity out of the way, and there will be more characters, and they will be incredibly hyped characters.

 

[Bauske]

Maybe the Sal leak is a list of newcomers that were planned to be revealed before launch. I'm not saying this is the likely scenario, but it's something to think about.

Either they're revealing the entire roster before launch, which could be but seems out of character for Sakurai, or these are the characters they planned to reveal before the game came out. Perhaps there are still a few more hidden characters we know nothing about.

Again, not a likely scenario, but it is possible. But that would mean we'd need Chrom, Shulk, and Marshal/Chorus Men to be revealed in the next three months.

A roster of 50+ does sound pretty crazy, but keep in mind that Sakurai's team is huge this time around. He has three times as many people just working on balancing as he did in Brawl. They have several hundred people play testing it. With a staff that large, maybe they had just as many working on characters as well.

The only thing I can see standing against this idea is the 3DS version. I don't know how much room is available on a 3DS card and if they could fit that large of a roster on it.

 

[praline]

Maybe the Sal leak is a list of newcomers that were planned to be revealed before launch. I'm not saying this is the likely scenario, but it's something to think about.

Either they're revealing the entire roster before launch, which could be but seems out of character for Sakurai, or these are the characters they planned to reveal before the game came out. Perhaps there are still a few more hidden characters we know nothing about.

Again, not a likely scenario, but it is possible. But that would mean we'd need Chrom, Shulk, and Marshal/Chorus Men to be revealed in the next three months.

A roster of 50+ does sound pretty crazy, but keep in mind that Sakurai's team is huge this time around. He has three times as many people just working on balancing as he did in Brawl. They have several hundred people play testing it. With a staff that large, maybe they had just as many working on characters as well.

The only thing I can see standing against this idea is the 3DS version. I don't know how much room is available on a 3DS card and if they could fit that large of a roster on it.

I could see this. Plus didn't someone say they're still looking into characters?

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

Part of me thinks Lucas will be in, but this leak always comes back to haunt me.
With the Star Fox joke and then being announced/leaked later I couldn't see Nintendo joking about Mother 3 and not doing anything.
That would just be kinda rude, + Mothers 25th anniversary is July 29th.
Lucas was also a unique character, and most people call him a wimp but if you look how he progressed he grew up and became brave.

Also, most clone characters haven't been announced so it's highly possible they're being decloned and shown off at a later date.
Falco/Wolf Ganon/Falcon Ness/Lucas
Lucas and Ness weren't really clones besides the side smash, but their specials could be changed a little bit to not look the same.
What do you guys think? Pretty sure the Mother 3 westernization would confirm him, I think if we get that July 29th it'll be safe to say his chances will skyrocket with Lucas driving interest in Mother 3.

 

[Neo Zero]

Maybe the Sal leak is a list of newcomers that were planned to be revealed before launch. I'm not saying this is the likely scenario, but it's something to think about.

Either they're revealing the entire roster before launch, which could be but seems out of character for Sakurai, or these are the characters they planned to reveal before the game came out. Perhaps there are still a few more hidden characters we know nothing about.

Again, not a likely scenario, but it is possible. But that would mean we'd need Chrom, Shulk, and Marshal/Chorus Men to be revealed in the next three months.

A roster of 50+ does sound pretty crazy, but keep in mind that Sakurai's team is huge this time around. He has three times as many people just working on balancing as he did in Brawl. They have several hundred people play testing it. With a staff that large, maybe they had just as many working on characters as well.

The only thing I can see standing against this idea is the 3DS version. I don't know how much room is available on a 3DS card and if they could fit that large of a roster on it.

Without Subspace, the huge amount of cutscenes, a much smaller song selection, and probably other data saving measures (maybe less stages, less trophies, etc; ) I imagine they could fit quite a few characters onto it, and if the 3DS CSS scrolls between pages, it's totally possible to get 50+.

As for Starter vs Unlockable, I imagine a few will be made unlockable we know about (Luigi, Lucario, Tink, Ike, Shiek, and the third parties seem likely choices)

 

[TheAnvil]

Part of me thinks Lucas will be in, but this leak always comes back to haunt me.
With the Star Fox joke and then being announced/leaked later I couldn't see Nintendo joking about Mother 3 and not doing anything.
That would just be kinda rude, + Mothers 25th anniversary is July 29th.
Lucas was also a unique character, and most people call him a wimp but if you look how he progressed he grew up and became brave.

Also, most clone characters haven't been announced so it's highly possible they're being decloned and shown off at a later date.
Falco/Wolf Ganon/Falcon Ness/Lucas
Lucas and Ness weren't really clones besides the side smash, but their specials could be changed a little bit to not look the same.
What do you guys think? Pretty sure the Mother 3 westernization would confirm him, I think if we get that July 29th it'll be safe to say his chances will skyrocket with Lucas driving interest in Mother 3.

That Lucas/Ness thing that the Gematsu leak posted seems like a complete crock.

There's absolutely no way at this point in time, they are discussing roster cuts with only 3 months until release. They will have been in the debug/testing stage of development for some time now, and will be until it goes gold in 2 months time.

You can't blame outdated information as he updated his prediction to "Mii Fighter" from "Mii".

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

I hope it is, I mained Lucas in Brawl and I want him back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFpGOidAaQo Here's a video I made a bout 2 years ago, it's pretty outdated but I just feel like he was more unique than the other clones.

And he wasn't even alike Ness tbh!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That Lucas/Ness thing that the Gematsu leak posted seems like a complete crock.

There's absolutely no way at this point in time, they are discussing roster cuts with only 3 months until release. They will have been in the debug/testing stage of development for some time now, and will be until it goes gold in 2 months time.

You can't blame outdated information as he updated his prediction to "Mii Fighter" from "Mii".

Yes you can. We don't know exactly when they decided to go with the idea of the Mii Fighters over a simple Mii. It could've been very early in development. There is no reason to write off this possibility at all.

Same with the Ness/Lucas thing. When the leaker gives the leak has nothing to do with when he got the information. He could've gotten more of this within the first few months of development, and it'd make sense too. Why he got so many dates wrong. It also could make sense if DLC never shows up. All of this is attributable to outdated information.

Logically speaking, literally none of the current leak is impossible. "Goddess" Palutena is pretty blatantly a title. Mii Fighters is not, and there's no way anyone could easily guess that. Hell, Wii Fit Trainer is way easier to guess than that, being a relevant and new character with amazing sales. And she's not even an easy guess to begin with, respectively.

 

[MrPanic]

Ness and Lucas are pretty much semi-clones from which they can pull all the assets of Brawl. Especially with the whole custom moveset thing that smash 4 has, they could easily add all of Lucas' moves to Ness' changeable moveset. Imo they could easily be talking about skipping him right now.

 

[Omega Tyrant]

I think all the characters revealed so far except for the third parties will be starters, as with my own predicted 51-52 roster, assuming two more reveals before release, the starter-unlockable ratio would be inline with the previous games. Sure some previous unlockables have been shown, but why does that mean they can't be starter now? We had characters change starter-unlockable status before (e.g. Ness and Captain Falcon), and Marth is definitely a starter this time for the first time in the series (besides rather early reveal and playability in demo, he's on the cover art). I think it would be very unlikely for Sakurai to show off non-third party unlockables this time.

Also regarding the "Mii Fighter" thing, again, Nintendo's E3 press site was easily publicly accessible with its obvious username/password combination, that is where the guy could have picked up the name from. I don't see why people are making such a big deal about it.

 

[TheAnvil]

Yes you can. We don't know exactly when they decided to go with the idea of the Mii Fighters over a simple Mii. It could've been very early in development. There is no reason to write off this possibility at all.

Same with the Ness/Lucas thing. When the leaker gives the leak has nothing to do with when he got the information. He could've gotten more of this within the first few months of development, and it'd make sense too. Why he got so many dates wrong. It also could make sense if DLC never shows up. All of this is attributable to outdated information.

Logically speaking, literally none of the current leak is impossible. "Goddess" Palutena is pretty blatantly a title. Mii Fighters is not, and there's no way anyone could easily guess that. Hell, Wii Fit Trainer is way easier to guess than that, being a relevant and new character with amazing sales. And she's not even an easy guess to begin with, respectively.

It can't possibly be outdated info, as he reiterated the normal Mii even up until the Direct. So the Mii Fighter batch of info came after the direct.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It can't possibly be outdated info, as he reiterated the normal Mii even up until the Direct. So the Mii Fighter batch of info came after the direct.

No. He didn't give us the new name between those leaks. That doesn't mean he didn't know it at all. When he gave the first leak, he would have the first name as Mii. After that, the idea changed to a Mii Fighter. He had no reason to say the leak was different when the date has changed. It's more likely that the development team didn't have an idea of what to do with a Mii early enough and decided to go with the Mii Fighter after the leaker listed "they'd be at e3". It's a bit late to say "the information changed" even if it did.

He didn't have to tell us the new information.

Omega Tyrant does have a bit of a point that the time we got the Mii Fighter name(when the website had the name) is a bit odd. So the third leak is not too telling. Especially with a vague idea of what is happening with Ness/Lucas, and the DLC bit, plus getting the other name wrong. The first leak is overall correct. Miis do exist in the game(and let's be honest, someone being on the sheet at first does not mean changes won't happen later. We knew Mewtwo was planned for Brawl, and well...) The second leak has 3 parts. The 3rd leak is iffy, something I can concur with.

But the outdated point still holds water. The leaker didn't make any new contacts till right before the announcement, so it could go either way. I think if we fail to see DLC, then yeah, he made up the 3rd leak/actually just visited a website.

 

[MunchyMunch]

If Shulk is in, what are the enemies going to be? Most of the enemies in Xenoblade are HUMONGOUS.

 

[Autumn ♫]

If Shulk is in, what are the enemies going to be? Most of the enemies in Xenoblade are HUMONGOUS.

Mechons.

 

[praline]

I think the characters that were within the E3 demo build (and Smash Invitational) are going to be playable from the start.

I doubt that. Mega Man, Sonic, and Luigi will all be unlockable.

 

[KingBroly]

One BIG question I have that's important. If they are doing DLC...how in the hell is that going to work across both platforms? They aren't seriously going to charge $5 per character per platform...are they?

 

[MooseSmuggler]

One BIG question I have that's important. If they are doing DLC...how in the hell is that going to work across both platforms? They aren't seriously going to charge $5 per character per platform...are they?

My guess is that they'd be sold as packs. Like, 5 bucks gets you a character pack that has 3-5 characters, or something along those lines.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

One BIG question I have that's important. If they are doing DLC...how in the hell is that going to work across both platforms? They aren't seriously going to charge $5 per character per platform...are they?

If they cost money, then yes. And due to that, I believe it'll probably be less than 5 dollars. And it makes no sense to be for only one game. Remember, Sakurai was pretty adamant about having the roster be the same on both versions. That said, it's not impossible to have an exclusive DLC character, but I still highly doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised if they were cheap, like 2 dollars per character. Although to also be fair, the full bundle for Smash Wii U(Smash, Smash Controller, and Wii U to GCN Adapter) is 100 dollars(in US money). They clearly don't have a problem with high charges.

 

[Chibi-Chan]

One BIG question I have that's important. If they are doing DLC...how in the hell is that going to work across both platforms? They aren't seriously going to charge $5 per character per platform...are they?

Nintendo has an universal account thing now that should be the same between WiiU and 3DS. So DLC should be shared.

 

[Inawordyes]

One BIG question I have that's important. If they are doing DLC...how in the hell is that going to work across both platforms? They aren't seriously going to charge $5 per character per platform...are they?

If you have to buy DLC, then that's going to be attached to your Nintendo account. Sakurai isn't even sure about doing DLC at this point (at least publicly), and Nintendo in general has been very good regarding DLC, so I would assume that any DLC character you buy would unlock the character for both, kinda like how buying a PSASBR DLC character on PS3 gave you the Vita version of the character as well.

That being said, if they are free and we simply have to download DLC, then obviously we're going to get credited for both systems.

Nintendo has an universal account thing now that should be the same between WiiU and 3DS. So DLC should be shared.

Or basically this, haha.

My guess is that they'd be sold as packs. Like, 5 bucks gets you a character pack that has 3-5 characters, or something along those lines.

And if they are going to have to be bought, then this is my guess as well, or even if they're free, that they'd be released in groups.

 

[MunchyMunch]

Yeah, I love how Nintendo is just GIVING away DLC these days. Sonic Lost World comes to mind.

 

[Fenrir VII]

Nintendo's track record with DLC (as I have been impacted by it)

1. Fire emblem Awakenening: Lots of interesting map packs that were completely optional but gave you things like rare items and loads of experience. Generally $2-3 for each. I never actually bought any of them because $$$, but I heard nothing but good things about them and the free map was pretty great.

2. NSMB 2 additional levels: I heard they were cool but gimmicky. I never wanted them

3. Pikmin 3: New challenge stages for like $5 each that were pretty amazing new levels and ideas. Bought and enjoyed all of them.

4. New Super Luigi Bros: Probably the best DLC I've ever seen. $20 for a brand new game (80+ levels) with cool physics.


Yeah given how good each of these has been, I'd actually fully welcome DLC for MK8 and Smash, because I think they'd do it right.

 

[Protom]

Nintendo's track record with DLC (as I have been impacted by it)

1. Fire emblem Awakenening: Lots of interesting map packs that were completely optional but gave you things like rare items and loads of experience. Generally $2-3 for each. I never actually bought any of them because $$$, but I heard nothing but good things about them and the free map was pretty great.

2. NSMB 2 additional levels: I heard they were cool but gimmicky. I never wanted them

3. Pikmin 3: New challenge stages for like $5 each that were pretty amazing new levels and ideas. Bought and enjoyed all of them.

4. New Super Luigi Bros: Probably the best DLC I've ever seen. $20 for a brand new game (80+ levels) with cool physics.


Yeah given how good each of these has been, I'd actually fully welcome DLC for MK8 and Smash, because I think they'd do it right.

You forgot mario golf world tour, where they had 3 waves of 6$ Dlc, or you can save 3$ by getting a season pass.

 

[Gold_Jacobson]

Additional characters would probably be amiibos. You buy the amiibo and then you can put it on both WiiU and 3ds.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

Back in the days of X and Y, there was a leak about a new pokemon type being the love type because a nintendo employee overheard talk of it in the hallway. Evidently he misheard (I still think it was something like "I love the new type") but the point remains. This guy could be on the periphery of smash development but have plenty of chances to overhear.

I bet its the janitor.