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The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

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I think people predicting a roster size above 50 are going to be sorely disappointed. Sakurai said that the 3DS version is going to limit the roster size, and that tells me it's going to be more towards the low size of an increase instead of a moderate or large roster increase.

My Prediction: 44 characters in 5 rows of 9 with 1 random in the middle of the last row.

This latest leak is a laugh riot since the person who posted it would have to be, or be close friends with an NOA Rep, since they'd be the ones running the demos.
 

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I think people predicting a roster size above 50 are going to be sorely disappointed. Sakurai said that the 3DS version is going to limit the roster size, and that tells me it's going to be more towards the low size of an increase instead of a moderate or large roster increase.

My Prediction: 44 characters in 5 rows of 9 with 1 random in the middle of the last row.

This latest leak is a laugh riot since the person who posted it would have to be, or be close friends with an NOA Rep, since they'd be the ones running the demos.
Not necessarily if this is being demoed all over the country in tons of best buys, nintendo reps aren't going to be sent out everywhere it will most likely be locally managed by best buy employees given some guide lines. trust me i work in the retail gaming business

also this is the Sal leak thread, i hate to play mod but this new leak is boarder line off topic when you dont use it to talk about how Sal's leak fits it so let's not go off on our own predictions or why this new leak might be fake or whatever else thats horribly off topic here.
 

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I think people predicting a roster size above 50 are going to be sorely disappointed. Sakurai said that the 3DS version is going to limit the roster size, and that tells me it's going to be more towards the low size of an increase instead of a moderate or large roster increase.

My Prediction: 44 characters in 5 rows of 9 with 1 random in the middle of the last row.

This latest leak is a laugh riot since the person who posted it would have to be, or be close friends with an NOA Rep, since they'd be the ones running the demos.
We all know that the N3DS has 2 screens, it's easy.

And the new leak is on topic, more leaks can give more credibility to Sal
 
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I think people predicting a roster size above 50 are going to be sorely disappointed. Sakurai said that the 3DS version is going to limit the roster size, and that tells me it's going to be more towards the low size of an increase instead of a moderate or large roster increase.

My Prediction: 44 characters in 5 rows of 9 with 1 random in the middle of the last row.

This latest leak is a laugh riot since the person who posted it would have to be, or be close friends with an NOA Rep, since they'd be the ones running the demos.
Source?
Sakurai is misquoted all the time, I wouldn't be surprised if what you're saying is wrong.
 

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Sakurai is misquoted all the time, I wouldn't be surprised if what you're saying is wrong.
http://kotaku.com/dont-expect-a-lot-of-third-party-characters-in-the-nex-513203533
He asserts that the 3DS version has limitations pertinent to the selection of characters. I doubt we will get that small of a roster, he is just acknowledging what everyone already understood.

"But bu... teh pokEman haz 70000 modles!" It doesn't change objective fact; there are limitations, hopefully they are not vastly relevant.
 

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We all know that the N3DS has 2 screens, it's easy.

And the new leak is on topic, more leaks can give more credibility to Sal
The bottom screen is where selected characters are going to be most likely. At least that's how I've always pictured it being.

The Smash Bros. demo this year is like the Best Buy event from last year. Nintendo is going to hold it at select Best Buys to draw in crowds to make it seem popular. Just being honest here, but my local Best Buy doesn't even have a Wii U kiosk anymore :S So I imagine others have followed suit.
 
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I'm just going to say this:

This is not the thread to discuss the validity of the CSS leak (I think it's a fake, but we're not going into that). If you want to do that, do it in the E3 rumor/leak thread or the Social thread to discuss this leak.

Next time I see people discussing the validity of the CSS leak in this thread, I'm going to report it.
 
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I'm just going to say this:

This is not the thread to discuss the validity of the CSS leak (I think it's a fake, but we're not going into that). If you want to do that, do it in the E3 rumor/leak thread or the Social thread to discuss this leak.

Next time I see people discussing the validity of the CSS leak in this thread, I'm going to report it.
Dang, it's getting real real up in here.
 
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I think people predicting a roster size above 50 are going to be sorely disappointed. Sakurai said that the 3DS version is going to limit the roster size, and that tells me it's going to be more towards the low size of an increase instead of a moderate or large roster increase.

My Prediction: 44 characters in 5 rows of 9 with 1 random in the middle of the last row.

This latest leak is a laugh riot since the person who posted it would have to be, or be close friends with an NOA Rep, since they'd be the ones running the demos.
44. Now we don't have transformations, so in Brawl we can count 39. Assuming, let's say, 2 cuts. That's 7 newcomers. But eh, I'll make it 4 cuts. 9 newcomers. We have 6 newcomers currently announced. So, inevitably, we'll have 3 newcomers at E3. That leaves no newcomers revealed post release. That would absolutely suck.
 
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I think people predicting a roster size above 50 are going to be sorely disappointed. Sakurai said that the 3DS version is going to limit the roster size, and that tells me it's going to be more towards the low size of an increase instead of a moderate or large roster increase.
Not sure what weird bizzaro dimension you're reading Sakurai's interviews in, but Sakurai only said:

The reality of the situation unfortunately is that there are certain limitations on the 3DS, so we’re forced into a situation where we may need to reduce some characters to a certain degree, but we’re really working hard to include as many characters as possible.
He doesn't say or suggest anything about limiting the roster size at all, just that characters may have limitations. In fact, this quote suggests they're trying to INCREASE the roster size beyond their initial projections, which is unsurprising considering they were putting in characters in Melee and Brawl up until the buzzer, so I don't find 50 to be that odd of a goal.

Of course, you could also be right, since Sakurai's favorite footwear is the flip-flop.

Next time I see people discussing the validity of the CSS leak in this thread, I'm going to report it.
Technically, there's no thread to discuss the validity of the CSS leak. It's mostly contained to the E3 Rumors and Discussions Thread, and that's kind of a bad place to put it since it doesn't even pertain to E3. If the moderators really gave a crap, they'd have insisted someone - or one of them - made a thread dedicated solely to it. And unless they made it overnight while I was asleep..

Nope. I don't see any.

Having said that, the CSS leak DOES pertain to the Sal Romano leak, so I'm going to say that it also belongs here, 'cause if the CSS leak is confirmed to be legitimate like, say, during E3 or the Best Buy event, then it DEFINITELY pertains to the Sal Romano leak.
 
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The reason people is talking about the new leak in the Gematsu leak thread is because there is space for all the leaked characters plus almost every oldcomer plus some newcomers people still want. So everyone is happy!
Meanwhile before the "54 characters" leak. People had the idea that there were only gonna be just 5 more newcomers from the Gematsu and a very tight roster.
 
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Technically, there's no thread to discuss the validity of the CSS leak. It's mostly contained to the E3 Rumors and Discussions Thread, and that's kind of a bad place to put it since it doesn't even pertain to E3. If the moderators really gave a crap, they'd have insisted someone - or one of them - made a thread dedicated solely to it. And unless they made it overnight while I was asleep..

Nope. I don't see any.

Having said that, the CSS leak DOES pertain to the Sal Romano leak, so I'm going to say that it also belongs here, 'cause if the CSS leak is confirmed to be legitimate like, say, during E3 or the Best Buy event, then it DEFINITELY pertains to the Sal Romano leak.
The rule states that every discussion must remain relevant to the Gematsu leak, because after all, we are discussing the Gematsu leak in here. If you want to discuss the CSS leak in here, you have to tie it to the Gematsu leak, like what you think are the characters in the CSS leaked not talked about in the Gematsu leak and such, if you think it indicates more newcomers, etc. However, the discussion of validity is an different topic; the CSS leak is not by Sal Romano and doesn't relate to the Gematsu leak. It's like saying the RosalinaX leak's validity should be discussed here (before I showed it for the fake it probably is).
 

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I'm definitely believing this now. The leak, while the source is unknown, is coming from a very credible person (Sal) and legitimate leaks have been known to happen in the past. Remember NyaseNya?
 
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I'm definitely believing this now. The leak, while the source is unknown, is coming from a very credible person (Sal) and legitimate leaks have been known to happen in the past. Remember NyaseNya?
Everything she said turned out to be right, right? and when it did people wrote everything off as lucky guess and predictions, right? I believe that's what's gonna happen here too.

It's really strange when people think it's more likely to get luckier than winning the lottery opposed to actually have inside information.
 
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Everything she said turned out to be right, right? and when it did people wrote everything off as lucky guess and predictions, right? I believe that's what's gonna happen here too.

It's really strange when people think it's more likely to get luckier than winning a lottery opposed to actually have inside information.
Yeah, I'll never understand that mentality. If the information looked clearly faulty, then I'd question it, but when stuff can be completely true with legitimate reasons, and there's nothing working against it, saying stuff like "lucky guess" to me is basically finding excuses to not believe it. Which is fine, but that shouldn't discount the true facts.
 

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Yeah, I'll never understand that mentality. If the information looked clearly faulty, then I'd question it, but when stuff can be completely true with legitimate reasons, and there's nothing working against it, saying stuff like "lucky guess" to me is basically finding excuses to not believe it. Which is fine, but that shouldn't discount the true facts.
It just goes to show how much people can convince themselves that something is true (or false). When Ridley's shadow appeared in the Direct, some people took it as a 100% confirmation of him as a character.

...I probably shouldn't have brought that up.
 
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It's really strange when people think it's more likely to get luckier than winning the lottery opposed to actually have inside information.
It's a little different when you have a good idea what numbers might possibly come up, y'know?

It just goes to show how much people can convince themselves that something is true (or false). When Ridley's shadow appeared in the Direct, some people took it as a 100% confirmation of him as a character.

...I probably shouldn't have brought that up.
If I were you I'd start runnin', boy. :beezo:
 

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It's a little different when you have a good idea what numbers might possibly come up, y'know?



If I were you I'd start runnin', boy. :beezo:
That's the thing though mate. We have a FAR vaguer idea with regards to this than we do the lottery. The UK lottery is solidly locked to 49 balls. 83 will never and can never show up. That's not the case here. Given that we are not Sakurai, we have no idea what his criteria is for choosing certain characters, and can only justify them using hindsight, which people will do to infinity to invalidate the argument. We didn't guess ROB, we didn't guess G+W, and we didn't guess WFT. These characters are anomalies that highlight our inability to understand the decision making criteria, given out lack of involvement. So, by that standard, our odds are far, far worse than any lottery the world over - these anomalies exist, and are limited only by Nintendo's back catalogue, which spans the thousands. There are far more 'balls' in this machine than in any lottery, as has been proven by previous anomalies. Our odds are abysmal when compared to the lottery.

To expand on my point, I get your point that some of the potential characters are 'easier' to figure out. Sure they are. A character like Ridley, for instance, would have relatively high odds. Our general pool of possible characters is probably around 50 at maximum, which allows for the comparison to the lottery.

Our big problem is the outliers. The ROBs, the G+W's, the WFT's. We assign rhyme and reason to these in hindsight, but our inability to guess them before announcement is proof that the pool for said characters is far, far larger. An argument can be made that such an off-the-wall character is included systematically in each game, effectively creating a secular pool for said character that expands into Nintendo's whole back catalogue. It's said character that makes the odds of nailing on as many characters as Sal has astronomically unlikely.
 
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That's the thing though mate. We have a FAR vaguer idea with regards to this than we do the lottery. The UK lottery is solidly locked to 49 balls. 83 will never and can never show up. That's not the case here. Given that we are not Sakurai, we have no idea what his criteria is for choosing certain characters, and can only justify them using hindsight, which people will do to infinity to invalidate the argument. We didn't guess ROB, we didn't guess G+W, and we didn't guess WFT. These characters are anomalies that highlight our inability to understand the decision making criteria, given out lack of involvement. So, by that standard, our odds are far, far worse than any lottery the world over - these anomalies exist, and are limited only by Nintendo's back catalogue, which spans the thousands. There are far more 'balls' in this machine than in any lottery, as has been proven by previous anomalies. Our odds are abysmal when compared to the lottery.
Thread for the Sal Romano leak, not lottery :p
Just kidding.
 

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That's the thing though mate. We have a FAR vaguer idea with regards to this than we do the lottery. The UK lottery is solidly locked to 49 balls. 83 will never and can never show up. That's not the case here.
Except we don't have to have a specific, perfect combination. That takes all the guesswork out of it.

Given that we are not Sakurai, we have no idea what his criteria is for choosing certain characters, and can only justify them using hindsight, which people will do to infinity to invalidate the argument. We didn't guess ROB, we didn't guess G+W, and we didn't guess WFT.
I'd like to think by now that Sakurai's eccentricities should make him more predictable. Yeah, no-one guessed Game & Watch 'cause no-one really knew what to expect from Sakurai. Everyone assumed that, y'know, when you're making a Nintendo ALL-STAR fighting game, you're gonna focus on the all-stars first, but I digress. ROB only really wound up getting in 'cause he was essentially the centerpiece of Subspace Emissary. Could argue that if we didn't have SSE, we likely wouldn't have gotten ROB.

As for no-one predicting WFT, we have about three or four people that have predicted WFT, even if it was joking or in passing, so that proves that people HAVE considered it. I'm sure more people predicted G&W and ROB, though.

These characters are anomalies that highlight our inability to understand the decision making criteria, given out lack of involvement. So, by that standard, our odds are far, far worse than any lottery the world over - these anomalies exist, and are limited only by Nintendo's back catalogue, which spans the thousands. There are far more 'balls' in this machine than in any lottery, as has been proven by previous anomalies. Our odds are abysmal when compared to the lottery.
I don't find ROB, WFT and G&W to be 'anomalies'. They all share a common thread: they were important to Nintendo's success in some capacity, even if not necessarily relevant at the time when the Smash games were made. ROB almost much single-handedly saved the Nintendo and started Nintendo's good fortunes in the video game industry. G&W was all about Nintendo's foray into handhelds and LED's; if we didn't have G&W, we wouldn't likely be playing 3DS today. WFT encompasses a lot of what made the Wii special; the interactivity. Yes, it's easy to say in hindsight that these characters are obvious, but at the same time, they SHOULD have been guessed.

But, as I said, people weren't predicting these characters because they were focused more primarily on actual relevant, popular All-Star characters. We didn't have any idea how eccentric Sakurai was 'til Brawl's Dojo opened up, and even then, we didn't think it'd actually affect the roster.

To expand on my point, I get your point that some of the potential characters are 'easier' to figure out. Sure they are. A character like Ridley, for instance, would have relatively high odds. Our general pool of possible characters is probably around 50 at maximum, which allows for the comparison to the lottery.
Well, technically the pool is about around fifteen characters, which narrows it down even more, but I'd say the odds of successfully figuring out the final roster in any combination are still far better than nailing the winning numbers in the lottery.

Our big problem is the outliers. The ROBs, the G+W's, the WFT's. We assign rhyme and reason to these in hindsight, but our inability to guess them before announcement is proof that the pool for said characters is far, far larger. An argument can be made that such an off-the-wall character is included systematically in each game, effectively creating a secular pool for said character that expands into Nintendo's whole back catalogue. It's said character that makes the odds of nailing on as many characters as Sal has astronomically unlikely.
I think a lot of the reason why no-one considered guessing them are simply 'cause Sakurai's a far more eccentric guy than people gave him credit for. Like I said, we had no real idea how eccentric he was 'til Brawl's development and by that time the Dojo popped up it was too late. And if the odds of guessing the characters were as astronomically unlikely as people have made it out to be (in fact, I'm fairly certain that's a grave exaggeration on someone's part), then how come Sal's leaker did it? Everyone guessed all the other characters fairly easily. It was just Wii Fit Trainer that was the curve ball they swept under the rug. I don't find it to be 'astronomically unlikely'. More.. difficult to do given the information we had (which was pretty much none).
 
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Um, yeah, every single character in the game (and all games previous on any Nintendo system) has been important to Nintendo in "some" capacity.
 
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Except we don't have to have a specific, perfect combination. That takes all the guesswork out of it.



I'd like to think by now that Sakurai's eccentricities should make him more predictable. Yeah, no-one guessed Game & Watch 'cause no-one really knew what to expect from Sakurai. Everyone assumed that, y'know, when you're making a Nintendo ALL-STAR fighting game, you're gonna focus on the all-stars first, but I digress. ROB only really wound up getting in 'cause he was essentially the centerpiece of Subspace Emissary. Could argue that if we didn't have SSE, we likely wouldn't have gotten ROB.

As for no-one predicting WFT, we have about three or four people that have predicted WFT, even if it was joking or in passing, so that proves that people HAVE considered it. I'm sure more people predicted G&W and ROB, though.



I don't find ROB, WFT and G&W to be 'anomalies'. They all share a common thread: they were important to Nintendo in some capacity, even if not necessarily relevant at the time when the Smash games were made. ROB almost much single-handedly saved the Nintendo and started Nintendo's good fortunes in the video game industry. G&W was all about Nintendo's foray into handhelds and LED's; if we didn't have G&W, we wouldn't likely be playing 3DS today. WFT encompasses a lot of what made the Wii special; the interactivity. Yes, it's easy to say in hindsight that these characters are obvious, but at the same time, they SHOULD have been guessed.

But, as I said, people weren't predicting these characters because they were focused more primarily on actual relevant, popular All-Star characters. We didn't have any idea how eccentric Sakurai was 'til Brawl's Dojo opened up, and even then, we didn't think it'd actually affect the roster.



Well, technically the pool is about around fifteen characters, which narrows it down even more, but I'd say the odds of successfully figuring out the final roster in any combination are still far better than nailing the winning numbers in the lottery.



I think a lot of the reason why no-one considered guessing them are simply 'cause Sakurai's a far more eccentric guy than people gave him credit for. Like I said, we had no real idea how eccentric he was 'til Brawl's development and by that time the Dojo popped up it was too late. And if the odds of guessing the characters were as astronomically unlikely as people have made it out to be (in fact, I'm fairly certain that's a grave exaggeration on someone's part), then how come Sal's leaker did it? Everyone guessed all the other characters fairly easily. It was just Wii Fit Trainer that was the curve ball they swept under the rug. I don't find it to be 'astronomically unlikely'. More.. difficult to do given the information we had (which was pretty much none).
The other characters quite clearly fit the usual pattern people have strung together. They were guessed, and that's fine. They're lottery balls. ROB, G+W and WFT are not. When you play the lottery, nobody sneaks in an 83 every now and then just to shock you. It doesn't happen. That's why the odds are astronomical. The fact that characters exist and have existed that have eluded fans expands the odds massively, because we evidently don't have a grasp on the selection process. I mean, think of it this way:

We have two lotteries. One is your standard 49 ball, 6 numbers. The other is a 15 ball lottery, 6 numbers, BUT one of the ball's numbers isn't disclosed to the public and could feasibly be anything from 1 to 1000. Which lottery are you telling me is statistically the better? There may be less balls in the latter, but having no firm grasp on the selection criteria for a single character per generation raises our odds. And Sal 'guessed' them.

Your argument that only 15 characters are in the pool, however, is tenable at best, given the lack of guesses for Villager, who was nameless previous to this. Two characters slipping almost entirely under the radar doesn't scream to me a small selection pool. Point is, we just don't understand the selection criteria, and any attempt to point this out is immediately invalidated by a splurge of hindsight-based character justification. We just don't get it, as outliers have proved, time and time again. We're not developers. Ours odds are crazy, and some dude nailed five on. That's impressive, and a damn good sign.

@Zipzo You only further prove my point with your justifications, though. In hindsight, you justify their importance, but in reality, you didn't guess them. We've had these outliers in 3 games now - given the amount of justification you'll all apply post-announcement, surely this 'importance' criteria would mean you should have all guessed WFT, right? Everybody justified ROB and G+W based on importance - you could argue that by that basis we should have all nailed WFT. If the criteria is there, why didn't we get it?

Because we don't know the criteria. We only apply hindsight liberally and shortsightedly.
 
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Um, yeah, every single character in the game (and all games previous on any Nintendo system) has been important to Nintendo in "some" capacity.
You don't say? Really? My goodness, that totally changes my entire argument! This guy's got his crap together!

Point is, we just don't understand the selection criteria, and any attempt to point this out is immediately invalidated by a splurge of hindsight-based character justification. We just don't get it, as outliers have proved, time and time again. We're not developers. Ours odds are crazy, and some dude nailed five on. That's impressive, and a damn good sign.
Dude, the point is, we DO understand the selection criteria. If we didn't, we'd never have had thousands of people guess the vast majority of the picks. As I said before, people don't guess G&W, ROB and WFT 'cause they're not what any of us consider to be 'All-Stars', so they got glanced over.
 
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You don't say? Really? My goodness, that totally changes my entire argument! This guy's got his crap together!



Dude, the point is, we DO understand the selection criteria. If we didn't, we'd never have had thousands of people guess the vast majority of the picks. As I said before, people don't guess G&W, ROB and WFT 'cause they're not what any of us consider to be 'All-Stars', so they got glanced over.
Which proves there are outliers that don't fit within the boundaries of our perceived criteria. Which immediately differentiates our odds to those of the lottery and expands ours massively. There are no outliers in the lottery. They've been present here for three games now. Hence, extraordinary odds.
 

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Which proves there are outliers that don't fit within the boundaries of our perceived criteria. Which immediately differentiates our odds to those of the lottery and expands ours massively. There are no outliers in the lottery. They've been present here for three games now. Hence, extraordinary odds.
There are no outliers if we can look into Nintendo's back catalog of characters and see what can possible be used. Everything is possible to be guessed. We've had people guess Wii Fit Trainer. All it takes is one person to guess her as a joke to change the odds.

Anyway, the more I talk about this crap the more I realize I stopped wanting to talk about it. I'm done.
 

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There are no outliers if we can look into Nintendo's back catalog of characters and see what can possible be used. Everything is possible to be guessed. We've had people guess Wii Fit Trainer. All it takes is one person to guess her as a joke to change the odds.

Anyway, the more I talk about this crap the more I realize I stopped wanting to talk about it. I'm done.
But there you go, applying hindsight. You can't argue that we had a valid understanding of the selection criteria only to have to justify the reasons it failed to allow us to comprehensively guess ROB, G+W and WFT. They are the hallmarks of an invalid understanding - it's clearly not comprehensive enough to allow us to nail these characters on. And until we can our odds remain in the stratosphere. Don't you see how your posts have been self-contradictory? Arguing for a working selection criteria while justifying it's numerous failings is ludicrous.
 

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But there you go, applying hindsight. You can't argue that we had a valid understanding of the selection criteria only to have to justify the reasons it failed to allow us to comprehensively guess ROB, G+W and WFT. They are the hallmarks of an invalid understanding - it's clearly not comprehensive enough to allow us to nail these characters on. And until we can our odds remain in the stratosphere. Don't you see how your posts have been self-contradictory? Arguing for a working selection criteria while justifying it's numerous failings is ludicrous.
Its numerous failings? What numerous failings? People have guessed G&W, people have guessed ROB, people have guessed WFT. Just 'cause the majority of people didn't embrace those picks and start putting them into their fan-made rosters doesn't mean that we have no idea what the selection criteria is. Again, we clearly have a good idea if tons of people have been guessing for Rosalina when, logically, she shouldn't have been considered over actual all-star Nintendo characters (and, let's not forget, Sal's leaker never mentions her, so hey, more proof for me), but I digress. We know enough about Sakurai to guess the majority of the roster and, goodness, would you look at that? All of the Sal Romano picks sans Wii Fit Trainer and Chorus Men were guessed, and again, people have guessed both of those characters before the Sal Romano leak became a thing.

So, what I'm trying to say is just because YOU haven't seen people guessing these characters doesn't mean that they haven't been guessed. The odds aren't as astronomically high as you're assuming them to be. Just because 99% of the fanbase would rather see rosters full of actually popular, legitimate Nintendo all-star characters doesn't necessarily mean that we don't understand how it works, or that the odds of figuring it out are impossibly high. It's not like we're arguing the odds for seeing Elvis get struck by lightning while flying a UFO into the Loch Ness monster or anything. THOSE are astronomical odds.
 
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Its numerous failings? What numerous failings? People have guessed G&W, people have guessed ROB, people have guessed WFT. Just 'cause the majority of people didn't embrace those picks and start putting them into their fan-made rosters doesn't mean that we have no idea what the selection criteria is. Again, we clearly have a good idea if tons of people have been guessing for Rosalina when, logically, she shouldn't have been considered over actual all-star Nintendo characters (and, let's not forget, Sal's leaker never mentions her, so hey, more proof for me), but I digress. We know enough about Sakurai to guess the majority of the roster and, goodness, would you look at that? All of the Sal Romano picks sans Wii Fit Trainer and Chorus Men were guessed, and again, people have guessed both of those characters before the Sal Romano leak became a thing.

So, what I'm trying to say is just because YOU haven't seen people guessing these characters doesn't mean that they haven't been guessed. The odds aren't as astronomically high as you're assuming them to be. Just because 99% of the fanbase would rather see rosters full of actually popular, legitimate Nintendo all-star characters doesn't necessarily mean that we don't understand how it works, or that the odds of figuring it out are impossibly high. It's not like we're arguing the odds for seeing Elvis get struck by lightning while flying a UFO into the Loch Ness monster or anything. THOSE are astronomical odds.
Hey, if you can find me numerous people guessing ROB, G+W and WFT prior to announcement, I'll concede your point. If however, your arsenal consists of a couple of dudes saying 'wouldn't it be funny if?' then I think I'm going to continue to say that there are massive holes in your argument that we have a comprehensive understanding of the selection process. I've pointed out three different characters that weren't heavily rumoured, speculated and leaked. You've retorted that a couple of dudes were joking on about WFT a while back. It's just not a substantial argument. This selection criteria failed, three times. It's evidently not quite as well understood as we'd like to believe. That obviously elevates the odds significantly of Sal doing what he did. And that's cool. Why does it matter if we can only apply hindsight to announcements, rather than understanding? Is this not part of the fun? It sure as hell makes it easier for us to spot the likelier leaks.
 
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Going back on why Ridley might be to blue, I know it's unlikely, but they could use this Ridley.

It's the Ridley from Metroid Fusion
 

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I'm mostly interested in seeing if the guy shoots himself in the foot this time around. I'm just waiting for that bomb to drop.
Same here. I don't remember the principle's name, but its just logical that the more you do, the more likely you are to make a mistake..
 

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So, who's waiting for Sal to drop something else before E3?
I don't think we'll get anything else from him this time around. I think his leaker leaked all he could. His outdated information back before the direct ("Pokemon from X and Y") tells me that he hasn't had access to new info in quite a while.

But I could be wrong. He could very well still have more on the roster list we don't know about. We'll just have to see.
 

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I don't think we'll get anything else from him this time around. I think his leaker leaked all he could. His outdated information back before the direct ("Pokemon from X and Y") tells me that he hasn't had access to new info in quite a while.

But I could be wrong. He could very well still have more on the roster list we don't know about. We'll just have to see.
I'm probably inclined to agree with you. If, as what we have suggests, his information is outdated, then it's unlikely we'll get another leak - particularly considering, assuming this is genuine, security is likely to have been tightened to prevent information getting out there.
 

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There is one thing though, Sal doesn't even know this guy. Who is this guy and why is he emailing Sal?
Well, were I intending to leak information, I'd probably be inclined to pick a smaller site such as Sal's. I'd know it'd still spread like wildfire, but I'd have the security of not leaking to guys like IGN and Gamespot, who have close links to developers and are therefore probably a more dangerous pair of sites to go to.
 
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