The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[Luigi#1]

Well, were I intending to leak information, I'd probably be inclined to pick a smaller site such as Sal's. I'd know it'd still spread like wildfire, but I'd have the security of not leaking to guys like IGN and Gamespot, who have close links to developers and are therefore probably a more dangerous pair of sites to go to.

Plus Sal has had real sources come too him, so if fake then I'd go to him.

 

[EmbersToAshes]

Plus Sal has had real sources come too him, so if fake then I'd go to him.

True, that's another valid way to look at it. I guess the choice of Sal as the source can both be a pro and a con, depending on your outlook.

 

[Rikobomo]

Both of the Gematsu leaks are true, I believe. It's as clear as day.

 

[Luigi#1]

Both of the Gematsu leaks are true, I believe. It's as clear as day.

.....
Okay, okay...you can think it's 100% chance right...okay.
Okay.

 

[samsparta21]

.....
Okay, okay...you can think it's 100% chance right...okay.
Okay.

Let the man believe, man. BELIEEEVEEEE

(in all seriousness mii is a terrible idea but i support the rest of it)

 

[Deleted member]

I support Mii for one reason and one reason alone:

1. Pick Diddy Kong
2. Set AI to Sakurai's Mii
3. Spam Diddy's bananas
4. Laugh hysterically, because Sakurai is tripping
5. Take a picture, and caption it "KARMA"

 

[Deleted member 245254]

You don't say? Really? My goodness, that totally changes my entire argument! This guy's got his crap together!

For being so sneery you sure missed the point.

That's why you can say in hindsight that it wouldn't have been difficult to guess any character in some form, because you know Nintendo characters. What the guy is saying is that their are tons of Nintendo characters, despite the fact you find them all relate-able, this doesn't change that the odds of guessing correctly aren't heinously low.

 

[Deleted member]

So, who's waiting for Sal to drop something else before E3?

I'm not even sure if there's going to be a third leak. We're not sure if there's going to be more newcomers and even if there is, Sal's leaker didn't obtain information on Rosalina, so he may not know what other newcomers may be in as well. We don't even have indication of a veteran list.

I don't think we'll get anything else from him this time around. I think his leaker leaked all he could. His outdated information back before the direct ("Pokemon from X and Y") tells me that he hasn't had access to new info in quite a while.

But I could be wrong. He could very well still have more on the roster list we don't know about. We'll just have to see.

One thing to note is that each leak has come out around important times for Smash 3DS & Wii U; with the first leak coming out slightly before E3 and the second leak coming out right before the Smash Direct. It might be that Sal's leaker obtain information around important dates, which explains why people are expecting a third leak around E3 2014.

Guys
Question:

(for the Gematsu/Sal Believers)

If Mii or Pacman aint announced at E3
Would you count the leak being fake?

Tbh if these 2 particular characters aint announced at E3 i would be on the fence......not so much i guess about Mii but more Pacman.

E3 is gonna make or brake alot of things...
Gematsu and Ridley.....gonna be BaD......real bad.....

No. If the aren't announced at E3, it just simply means Sakurai is waiting for another time to reveal them or they'll be hidden until the end. They will be in, when they're announced is irrelevant.

 

[Luigi#1]

No. If the aren't announced at E3, it just simply means Sakurai is waiting for another time to reveal them or they'll be hidden until the end. They will be in, when they're announced is irrelevant.

The idea that Pac Man would not be revealed at E3 is laughable. Every 3rd Party newcomer is advertised like crazy. See Sonic and Megaman getting a trailer, and with Brawl Snake and Sonic were revealed before release even though they were unlockable. They would definetly announce a 3rd party character at E3. If I don't see Pacman, I'll be leaning torwards fake.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

The idea that Pac Man would not be revealed at E3 is laughable. Every 3rd Party newcomer is advertised like crazy. See Sonic and Megaman getting a trailer, and with Brawl Snake and Sonic were revealed before release even though they were unlockable. They would definetly announce a 3rd party character at E3. If I don't see Pacman, I'll be leaning torwards fake.

Yeah, dude, it's E3 or bust for Pac-Man. If I don't see Pac-Man at E3, I'm going to assume we're not getting him and that the Gematsu Leak was fake.

Wouldn't that be ironic? It's not Chorus Men or Shulk that debunks the Gematsu Leak, it's the safest pick on the entire thing.

 

[Malcolm Belmont]

Personally i think Chrom could still be in despite Ike..both would play very differently

 

[Deleted member 245254]

The idea that Pac Man would not be revealed at E3 is laughable. Every 3rd Party newcomer is advertised like crazy. See Sonic and Megaman getting a trailer, and with Brawl Snake and Sonic were revealed before release even though they were unlockable. They would definetly announce a 3rd party character at E3. If I don't see Pacman, I'll be leaning torwards fake.

So you're going to use an inclination with absolutely zero factual reasoning to think the leak is fake.

Yeah, dude, it's E3 or bust for Pac-Man. If I don't see Pac-Man at E3, I'm going to assume we're not getting him and that the Gematsu Leak was fake.

Wouldn't that be ironic? It's not Chorus Men or Shulk that debunks the Gematsu Leak, it's the safest pick on the entire thing.

I'm not personally seeing the logic here...

 

[Luigi#1]

So you're going to use an inclination with absolutely zero factual reasoning to think the leak is fak
.

It's also 0% factual information to assume Cpt.Falcon is coming back. Or to assume Mario will be in the next game. I'm putting in my 2 cents saying Pac has to be at E3.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

I'm not personally seeing the logic here...

Well, Sakurai says that Bamco won't be getting any preferential treatment:

"Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn’t at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game," Sakurai said. "Smash Bros. can still be considered as an all-star collection of Nintendo characters. Just like with Mega Man or any other third-party character, it would have to be a very special situation."

Pretty much the cornerstone of close to every roster, not just the Gematsu Leak, is that Pac-Man's getting in. Considering Bamco's involvement, it's pretty much the safest pick out of ANY of the picks on ANY roster or ANY leak. Just 'cause Sakurai waves it off by saying 'Well, Bamco's helping but they're not getting any presential treatment.' is just his way of trying to say that we shouldn't expect Pac-Man.

It's reverse psychology, in other words.

I'm honestly expecting a Pac-Man reveal, but we've been surprised before (look at Wii Fit Trainer, Villager and Mega Man). If we don't see Pac-Man, I'm going to assume that the Gematsu Leak overall is debunked, which is spectacular news, 'cause that means there's going to actually be some more surprises in store. Hopefully good ones.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Well, Sakurai says that Bamco won't be getting any preferential treatment:



Pretty much the cornerstone of close to every roster, not just the Gematsu Leak, is that Pac-Man's getting in. Considering Bamco's involvement, it's pretty much the safest pick out of ANY of the picks on ANY roster or ANY leak. Just 'cause Sakurai waves it off by saying 'Well, Bamco's helping but they're not getting any presential treatment.' is just his way of trying to say that we shouldn't expect Pac-Man.

It's reverse psychology, in other words.

I'm honestly expecting a Pac-Man reveal, but we've been surprised before (look at Wii Fit Trainer, Villager and Mega Man). If we don't see Pac-Man, I'm going to assume that the Gematsu Leak overall is debunked, which is spectacular news, 'cause that means there's going to actually be some more surprises in store. Hopefully good ones.

Alternatively, don't you think he could be intentionally misleading us from believing Bamco gets treatment in order to make a Pac-Man reveal be surprising?

I think it would honestly be pretty awesome to have Pac-Man in Smash, if it turns out to be true.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Alternatively, don't you think he could be intentionally misleading us from believing Bamco gets treatment in order to make a Pac-Man reveal be surprising?

I think it would honestly be pretty awesome to have Pac-Man in Smash, if it turns out to be true.

I personally don't want Pac-Man, but I'm not so jaded that I can't see that the possibility is extremely high.

And, yeah, I think that Sakurai is intentionally misleading us from believing Bamco gets special treatment this game. It's why I say I state that Sakurai's statement is reverse psychology.

"Oh, hey, even though you're expecting Namco to get representation, they're not getting any special treatment."

That's not going to make a Pac-Man reveal any more surprising, since people are still expecting it. Anyway, you wondered what my logic was for Pac-Man's hypothetical lack of presence completely debunking the Sal Romano leak? Well, like we've argued the past few posts, EVERYONE expects Pac-Man. It's the safest addition on anyone's roster. The deconfirmation of Shulk and Chorus Men is enough to debunk the leak, but the SAFEST PICK IN THE HISTORY OF SAFEST PICKS getting deconfirmed? You can't start throwing around the excuse that 'OH WELL DEVELOPMENT IS AN EVER CHANGING LANDSCAPE' and 'OH, HIS LEAKER HAD ACCESS TO OLD INFORMATION' anymore. Pac-Man would've been solidified pretty much the moment they'd said 'Well, I'm sure we can squeeze in a Namco rep since you guys are being nice enough to help us out.'.

Which, honestly, regardless of what Sakurai says, they'd have most definitely lined that up years ago when developing the roster.

So, there's my logic.

tl;dr: Pac-Man's hypothetical deconfirmation 100% debunks the Sal Romano leak by debunking the safest pick of the leak.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

I personally don't want Pac-Man, but I'm not so jaded that I can't see that the possibility is extremely high.

And, yeah, I think that Sakurai is intentionally misleading us from believing Bamco gets special treatment this game. It's why I say I state that Sakurai's statement is reverse psychology.

"Oh, hey, even though you're expecting Namco to get representation, they're not getting any special treatment."

That's not going to make a Pac-Man reveal any more surprising, since people are still expecting it. Anyway, you wondered what my logic was for Pac-Man's hypothetical lack of presence completely debunking the Sal Romano leak? Well, like we've argued the past few posts, EVERYONE expects Pac-Man. It's the safest addition on anyone's roster. The deconfirmation of Shulk and Chorus Men is enough to debunk the leak, but the SAFEST PICK IN THE HISTORY OF SAFEST PICKS getting deconfirmed? You can't start throwing around the excuse that 'OH WELL DEVELOPMENT IS AN EVER CHANGING LANDSCAPE' and 'OH, HIS LEAKER HAD ACCESS TO OLD INFORMATION' anymore. Pac-Man would've been solidified pretty much the moment they'd said 'Well, I'm sure we can squeeze in a Namco rep since you guys are being nice enough to help us out.'.

Which, honestly, regardless of what Sakurai says, they'd have most definitely lined that up years ago when developing the roster.

So, there's my logic.

tl;dr: Pac-Man's hypothetical deconfirmation 100% debunks the Sal Romano leak by debunking the safest pick of the leak.

Pac-Man not being playable would obviously deconfirm the leak because it'd be a direct contradiction to the leak.

...but Pac-Man not being announced at E3 does =|= him not being playable. A "hypothetical deconfirmation" isn't something that exists outside of your own opinion.

 

[Luigi#1]

Pac-Man not being playable would obviously deconfirm the leak because it'd be a direct contradiction to the leak.

...but Pac-Man not being announced at E3 does =|= him not being playable. A "hypothetical deconfirmation" isn't something that exists outside of your own opinion.

I think if he's not at E3 it's very unlikely he's playable. It COULD happen, but I doubt they'd not use this for advertising like they did with Sonic.

 

[Bauske]

My thoughts exactly. I'm rooting for Pac-Man. He's my most wanted newcomer. I've wanted Pac-Man in Smash since Melee.

That said, if he's not revealed at E3, I highly doubt his inclusion. Every other third-party character has received a ton of attention. Snake was revealed at E3, Sonic shook up production to get included, and Mega Man also made everyone freak when he got announced at last year's E3. There aren't any other big opportunities to announce another third-party character between now and the 3DS's summer release, so for Pac-Man, it's E3 or bust.

 

[iam8bit]

Can't wait for this to be finally deconfirmed soon, hopefully, and everyone who believed it feeling silly for even considering that "Chorus Men" was a thing that could happen.

Then again, if even Miis show up (which they probably will), people will just keep claiming it's real and that the Chorus Men somehow got cut at the last minute, like they pretend "Pokemon from X & Y" meant Greninja and not one of the other 99).

 

[chronomantic]

My thoughts exactly. I'm rooting for Pac-Man. He's my most wanted newcomer. I've wanted Pac-Man in Smash since Melee.

That said, if he's not revealed at E3, I highly doubt his inclusion. Every other third-party character has received a ton of attention. Snake was revealed at E3, Sonic shook up production to get included, and Mega Man also made everyone freak when he got announced at last year's E3. There aren't any other big opportunities to announce another third-party character between now and the 3DS's summer release, so for Pac-Man, it's E3 or bust.

If Pac-Man is in, his legendary status deserves an E3 showing not a Potd on a Friday night. It wouldn't make any sense.

 

[egaddmario]

Well, Sakurai says that Bamco won't be getting any preferential treatment:



Pretty much the cornerstone of close to every roster, not just the Gematsu Leak, is that Pac-Man's getting in. Considering Bamco's involvement, it's pretty much the safest pick out of ANY of the picks on ANY roster or ANY leak. Just 'cause Sakurai waves it off by saying 'Well, Bamco's helping but they're not getting any presential treatment.' is just his way of trying to say that we shouldn't expect Pac-Man.

It's reverse psychology, in other words.

I'm honestly expecting a Pac-Man reveal, but we've been surprised before (look at Wii Fit Trainer, Villager and Mega Man). If we don't see Pac-Man, I'm going to assume that the Gematsu Leak overall is debunked, which is spectacular news, 'cause that means there's going to actually be some more surprises in store. Hopefully good ones.

But we've already seen Bamco getting special treatment with the the Special Flag. Sakurai's a big liar and troll. I don't care for Pac-Man, but i'm expecting him at this point. And it's a decent trade if i get my Shulkykins.

 

[Deleted member]

Can't wait for this to be finally deconfirmed soon, hopefully, and everyone who believed it feeling silly for even considering that "Chorus Men" was a thing that could happen.

Then again, if even Miis show up (which they probably will), people will just keep claiming it's real and that the Chorus Men somehow got cut at the last minute, like they pretend "Pokemon from X & Y" meant Greninja and not one of the other 99).

First, there's only 72 Pokemon from X/Y. 2 of which that haven't been offically announced by Nintendo yet and won't be until next year and the year after (unless both are revealed next year like what happened with Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect). So 70 options.
Second, more than half of those can't work within Smash due to some form of limitation.
Third, very few of those that could work were popular and/or notable.

"Pokemon from X/Y" doesn't necessarily mean Greninja (which it didn't; it meant an undisclosed Pokemon from X/Y which ended up being Greninja), but you'd have to be an idiot to not see how there were very few it could have been alluding to.

Aside from that detail, its extremely biased and idiotic to claim that the Chorus Kids couldn't happen. I'd rather they don't since I'm a supporter of Wrestler and they would mean he has no chance, but under no degree of passable logic is there any reason to believe they can't.
And if they don't show up, they don't show up. Leak was false, and it really was just coincidence.

 

[JFM2796]

I made a poll questioning what everyone's thoughts on the leak are.

http://strawpoll.me/1769248

 

[Deleted member]

But we've already seen Bamco getting special treatment with the the Special Flag. Sakurai's a big liar and troll. I don't care for Pac-Man, but i'm expecting him at this point. And it's a decent trade if i get my Shulkykins.

People mistake the "special treatment" remark to mean Namco's getting no representation whatsoever.

This is not true.
What was actually said was:
"Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn’t at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game. Smash Bros. can still be considered as an all-star collection of Nintendo characters. Just like with Mega Man or any other third-party character, it would have to be a very special situation."

This only means that a Namco character doesn't get a free pass just because Namco's co-developing. Namco would still have to go through the same exact hurdles that Konami, Sega, and Capcom did for their characters. And, with Sakurai's beliefs on how a guest has to be a special case (much as he said about Mega Man), the character would have to be a big deal, which heavily narrows down the options to characters like Pac-Man.

 

[Shroob]

People mistake the "special treatment" remark to mean Namco's getting no representation whatsoever.

This is not true.
What was actually said was:
"Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn’t at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game. Smash Bros. can still be considered as an all-star collection of Nintendo characters. Just like with Mega Man or any other third-party character, it would have to be a very special situation."

This only means that a Namco character doesn't get a free pass just because Namco's co-developing. Namco would still have to go through the same exact hurdles that Konami, Sega, and Capcom did for their characters. And, with Sakurai's beliefs on how a guest has to be a special case (much as he said about Mega Man), the character would have to be a big deal, which heavily narrows down the options to characters like Pac-Man.

Which is why I honestly feel that we'll see Pac in 2 weeks.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

If you can predict WFT, then it's real.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

But we've already seen Bamco getting special treatment with the the Special Flag. Sakurai's a big liar and troll. I don't care for Pac-Man, but i'm expecting him at this point. And it's a decent trade if i get my Shulkykins.

Giving them the equivalent of an Assist Trophy isn't what I call special treatment. This is a fighting game. Special treatment is a playable fighter. Anything less than that is Namco fanservice.

Pac-Man not being playable would obviously deconfirm the leak because it'd be a direct contradiction to the leak.

...but Pac-Man not being announced at E3 does =|= him not being playable. A "hypothetical deconfirmation" isn't something that exists outside of your own opinion.

So what you're saying is that you love Pac-Man and you don't think that him not showing up playable at E3 means that there's still hope for him? We're going to have to agree to disagree here, I guess. Just some random reveal on the website or randomly unlocking him in Smash isn't going to generate the same kind of hype as revealing him at E3. Sorry, but fight it all you want, it's E3 or bust for Pac-Man.

Having said that, as I've said a billion times, I'm on your side 'cause I'll be genuinely more surprised if he DOESN'T show up at E3. I'd LOVE to see Pac-Man show up at E3 'cause I know what that means for Pac-Man fans. I may not personally want him, but hell, I'm still gonna play him.

 

[Deleted member]

Revealing him at E3 isn't for the fans, but, a respect to the company, putting a 3rd party is something serious as Sakurai said, it isn't just a random Nintendo char with almost no relevance that will be kept secret

 

[Shroob]

Revealing him at E3 isn't for the fans, but, a respect to the company, putting a 3rd party is something serious as Sakurai said, it isn't just a random Nintendo char with almost no relevance that will be kept secret

Which is exactly why I feel Sonic was the only character shown in October.

 

[Luigi#1]

I made a poll questioning what everyone's thoughts on the leak are.

http://strawpoll.me/1769248

No on the fence option.
Didin't vote.

 

[LancerStaff]

Somebody's telling me Sal leaked the character select screen... He just has his wires crossed, right?

 

[ScottyWK]

Sonic was revealed as a newcomer on a random day during the days of the Brawl Dojo, so it's really not that unheard of for a 3rd party to be introduced without fanfare. PacMan not being at E3 cannot debunk this leak (unless 3D Pac-Man is introduced as an AT somehow)

@ LancerStaff - yes, wires crossed. 2 separate leaks.

 

[Deleted member]

Sonic was revealed as a newcomer on a random day during the days of the Brawl Dojo, so it's really not that unheard of for a 3rd party to be introduced without fanfare. PacMan not being at E3 cannot debunk this leak (unless 3D Pac-Man is introduced as an AT somehow)

@ LancerStaff - yes, wires crossed. 2 separate leaks.

But he did receive a video just for him, something that no other Newcomer got

 

[ScottyWK]

But he did receive a video just for him, something that no other Newcomer got

All the newcomers on this game's site are getting videos too. So if Pac-Man were released, he'd more than likely get a video too.

 

[Deleted member]

All the newcomers on this game's site are getting videos too. So if Pac-Man were released, he'd more than likely get a video too.

Sonic is the only Brawl newcomer that got his own video
Sonic is the only veteran to get a video for SSB4
This is special treatment to guest chars

 

[ScottyWK]

You're right, but that is a very thin pattern. All I'm saying is that you can't 100% debunk this leak if Pac-Man isn't at E3.

 

[Deleted member]

You're right, but that is a very thin pattern. All I'm saying is that you can't 100% debunk this leak if Pac-Man isn't at E3.

It would be kinda of a direspect to Namco if he is, they are helping to make the game and their character deserves a spotlight
I think I'm starting to believe this leak more and more as the days pass, let's just wait for E3 to know the truth

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

You're right, but that is a very thin pattern. All I'm saying is that you can't 100% debunk this leak if Pac-Man isn't at E3.

And if Pac-Man is not? What if he is revealed at a normal Direct?

 

[ScottyWK]

It would be kinda of a direspect to Namco if he is, they are helping to make the game and their character deserves a spotlight
I think I'm starting to believe this leak more and more as the days pass, let's just wait for E3 to know the truth

I'd hardly call it a disrespect. They obviously respect Bamco by paying them to be involved in creating the game...pretty sure that's what they care about the most. They're getting their $ regardless, so it's hardly a slap in the face to ignore a giant fanfare for a character inclusion.

Sure, it's more likely with the pattern that he is at E3 if he's in the game. But that does not 100% debunk his chances.

And if Pac-Man is not? What if he is revealed at a normal Direct?

If he's revealed at a normal Direct, then the leak is still alive.