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The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

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Honestly, while Sonic was revealed at a normal direct, I would have a hard time believing that newcomer third party character wouldn't be revealed at something big like E3. And I don't believe that there's any real big event other than E3 that would be before the Smash 3DS release, unless it gets pushed back to the fall.
 

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Honestly, while Sonic was revealed at a normal direct, I would have a hard time believing that newcomer third party character wouldn't be revealed at something big like E3. And I don't believe that there's any real big event other than E3 that would be before the Smash 3DS release, unless it gets pushed back to the fall.
I'm pretty sure, though, that we're going to get a Namco representative. I would be very, very surprised the other way around. Now it might not be Pac Man because, knowing Sakurai, he knows we know, it's too obvious. I'm crossing my fingers for Lloyd, but I'm not really counting on it.
 

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I've always wanted Dig Dug. His moveset would be amazing and he represent the retro Namco.
 

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IMO, this leak should have been debunked when Little Man, Mii and Pac-man weren't shown at E3.
 
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And yet, the E3 reveal mishap is the only thing that has been incorrect so far.
 

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The good thing is that in two weeks from now we'll finally know whether the leak is true or not. Finally.
 

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IMO, this leak should have been debunked when Little Man, Mii and Pac-man weren't shown at E3.
It shouldn't be debunked just because of that. IMHO, the accuracy of WFT, Megaman and Villager alone outweighs the fact that the rest weren't shown. We don't know where Sal's source is getting their informaton, or where Sal's source's source is getting theirs. What starts out as completely 100% accurate information could easily become 80% accurate information as it gets passed along.

For instance (hypothetical), let's say Sal's source's source knows what the roster is at that time in development. He gives Sal's source this information, and Sal's source ASSUMES or MISINTERPRETS that they'll all be revealed at E3. Are we going to discredit the ENTIRE THING because of a single detail that could easily be lost in translation?

To discredit the whole of the information because of an issue of the timing of its fulfillment—in spite of the fact that the CONTENT of the information has yet to be disconfirmed—demonstrates misplaced priorities.
 
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The good thing is that in two weeks from now we'll finally know whether the leak is true or not. Finally.
Don't be so sure.
We could just get none of the remaining characters shown in any shape or form aside from maybe someone who doesn't affect the leak either way like Chrom or Palutena.
 
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And the lack of Rosalina mention. The Wii Fit Trainer is really the only solid glue holding it together. The other guesses were easy.
It's been explained many times why just because they are notable characters doesn't make his string of correct confirmations an "easy guess".
 

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And the lack of Rosalina mention. The Wii Fit Trainer is really the only solid glue holding it together. The other guesses were easy.
I don't quite understand the reasoning here. Rosalina was revealed at the end of last year. The gematsu second leak was in April, wasn't it? Why would he bother to include Rosalina in that listing as a restatement of fact?
 

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It's been explained many times why just because they are notable characters doesn't make his string of correct confirmations an "easy guess".
Yes, I've read said explanations, and I still stand in the corner that MegaMan and the Villager weren't very difficult to guess. Most requested 3rd party (and close to Nintendo) and one of the most popular Nintendo franchises to not have a playable character.

It doesn't really matter at this point though, because whether or not we agree which characters make the leak seem plausible, we DO both agree that the Wii Fit Trainer "guess" was one sets it apart.
 

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I don't quite understand the reasoning here. Rosalina was revealed at the end of last year. The gematsu second leak was in April, wasn't it? Why would he bother to include Rosalina in that listing as a restatement of fact?
The first ''leak'' from Sal Romano was back before E3 2013. He predicted Little Mac(Wasn't revealed), Pac Man(not revealed either), Mii(lol, neither was he), Animal Crossing Guy(so vague it's funny), Megaman and Wii Fit Trainer. Before that he specified ''my unlikely guesses''

Due to the fact that he guessed 3 of them right, he then went on to saying he had a source in the industry and just like that, people started believing him. In April he came out with other guesses, one of them being ''Pokemon from X and Y''. People then started screaming that he was right, even though this could've been the Pokemon trainer, Mewtwo, or any other gen 6 pokemon.
 

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It just occurred to me that

Sal could've said the leak after Villager and Mega Man were revealed and sneaked around or overheard someone talking WFT at E3. *This is all guesses.* People were asking him for more, of course, he'd choose the poopular ones and throw in CM, because A. Ran out of options or B. Wanted to try a "Sakurai-ball" and Chrous Men. It was never told about what time he said it.
 
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I don't quite understand the reasoning here. Rosalina was revealed at the end of last year. The gematsu second leak was in April, wasn't it? Why would he bother to include Rosalina in that listing as a restatement of fact?
I suppose it would be redundant. But the leaker is sending e-mails to Sal, and it doesn't sound like it is a back and forth conversation. If the leaker is just sending an e-mail here and an e-mail there, why would he leave out other newcomers but mention all of those in the last bunch?

It can go either way, I get it. There is no definitive proof either way. But when looking at the method Sal is hearing from his source, it doesn't make sense as to why he would only list those newcomers and not Rosalina, the changes to Charizard/PT, specifically Greninja, news on returning veterans, etc.
 

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Don't be so sure.
We could just get none of the remaining characters shown in any shape or form aside from maybe someone who doesn't affect the leak either way like Chrom or Palutena.
If we don't get even one of the characters from the list in this E3 then that's it for me. I do think the leak is real but the reasoning to support it would be too contrived if it goes down this route. We'll know all the characters soon anyway by the time the 3ds is released around july/august.
 

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The first ''leak'' from Sal Romano was back before E3 2013. He predicted Little Mac(Wasn't revealed), Pac Man(not revealed either), Mii(lol, neither was he), Animal Crossing Guy(so vague it's funny), Megaman and Wii Fit Trainer. Before that he specified ''my unlikely guesses''

Due to the fact that he guessed 3 of them right, he then went on to saying he had a source in the industry and just like that, people started believing him. In April he came out with other guesses, one of them being ''Pokemon from X and Y''. People then started screaming that he was right, even though this could've been the Pokemon trainer, Mewtwo, or any other gen 6 pokemon.
So you're claiming that this interpretation of the events is the only valid one? =P Essentially you're just calling him a liar, but you aren't providing any reasons why that's the most logical conclusion. It's just as plausible that because he didn't quite trust his source, he said "unlikely guesses" out of fear of being ridiculed if he claimed that his source was infallible, and then when a telling majority of the information ended up being true, he came out with the whole story.

Remember, Sal Romano is the middle man in the grand scheme of things. The way he presents the information has a huge influence on whether or not people believe it, but the objective truth of the information in question is a constant. We need to focus on the information, not on hypothetical situations.

The fact of the matter is, regardless of how you spin it, You can't debunk the leak.
 

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How about this: what if there is a newcomer revealed that hasn't been on any of Sal's leaks? Let's say, purely hypothetically, Ridley and Dixie are revealed. And just for the hell of it, Mii too. One of Sal's leaked characters is on, but 2 more that weren't are leaked. Is Sal's leak debunked to you? Or do you say "oh man he guessed Mii, he must be right!"

The latter is similar to how everyone is reacting to his E3 guess from last year. He was partially correct, partially incorrect, yet people take it as gospel. There's no science to this - it's purely based on gut instinct. My gut says, until I see photo leaks (like the CSS one from the other day, which I'm still not totally sure if it's fake), it's hard to take anything super seriously.
 
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So you're claiming that this interpretation of the events is the only valid one? =P Essentially you're just calling him a liar, but you aren't providing any reasons why that's the most logical conclusion. It's just as plausible that because he didn't quite trust his source, he said "unlikely guesses" out of fear of being ridiculed if he claimed that his source was infallible, and then when a telling majority of the information ended up being true, he came out with the whole story.

Remember, Sal Romano is the middle man in the grand scheme of things. The way he presents the information has a huge influence on whether or not people believe it, but the objective truth of the information in question is a constant. We need to focus on the information, not on hypothetical situations.

The fact of the matter is, regardless of how you spin it, You can't debunk the leak.
It's also fact that the leak isn't proven true either...two sides to that coin. I think that's where I start having a problem. The guy was partially correct, missed some stuff, backtracked a bit (by posting after the fact), omitted information, etc, yet some people in this thread defend its validity like it is their family crest. I'm very well aware that Sal COULD be right and there COULD be information lost in translation. But I can't ignore and make excuses for his mistakes either.
 

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How about this: what if there is a newcomer revealed that hasn't been on any of Sal's leaks? Let's say, purely hypothetically, Ridley and Dixie are revealed. And just for the hell of it, Mii too. One of Sal's leaked characters is on, but 2 more that weren't are leaked. Is Sal's leak debunked to you? Or do you say "oh man he guessed Mii, he must be right!"

The latter is similar to how everyone is reacting to his E3 guess from last year. He was partially correct, partially incorrect, yet people take it as gospel. There's no science to this - it's purely based on gut instinct. My gut says, until I see photo leaks (like the CSS one from the other day, which I'm still not totally sure if it's fake)
The people taking it as gospel are just as silly to me as the people taking him for a liar. Ultimately, it's kinda silly to try and argue over it. Even if he is 100% correct by the end, you could still claim that he guessed the whole time and got super lucky. You'd probably be ridiculed at that point, but for all we know, if all of the characters are confirmed, it's still POSSIBLE that it was all a lucky guess. The only person who will ever know for sure is Sal Romano himself (and his source, if there is one).

This whole thread boils down to picking a side, waiting, and eventually some of us will have ended up on the winning side, and those people will be all proud of their logic and pat themselves on the back, when really, nobody will REALLY know if it was all real or not, except, again, Sal himself.

Oh, and to answer your question: No. I wouldn't consider it debunked. I also wouldn't consider it gospel. And I probably never will. But missing information ≠ incorrect information.
 
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How about this: what if there is a newcomer revealed that hasn't been on any of Sal's leaks? Let's say, purely hypothetically, Ridley and Dixie are revealed. And just for the hell of it, Mii too. One of Sal's leaked characters is on, but 2 more that weren't are leaked. Is Sal's leak debunked to you? Or do you say "oh man he guessed Mii, he must be right!"

The latter is similar to how everyone is reacting to his E3 guess from last year. He was partially correct, partially incorrect, yet people take it as gospel. There's no science to this - it's purely based on gut instinct. My gut says, until I see photo leaks (like the CSS one from the other day, which I'm still not totally sure if it's fake), it's hard to take anything super seriously.
For me it would be debunked yeah, E3 is the perfect opportunity to reveal Pac-Man.
 

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sorry, double post. Or apparently not. =P Accidental post.
 
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And the lack of Rosalina mention. The Wii Fit Trainer is really the only solid glue holding it together. The other guesses were easy.
The lack of Rosalina, as repeatedly said, doesn't mean jack.

The E3 list were for characters believed to be revealed at E3. Rosalina was obviously never meant to be revealed at E3, so she wasn't mentioned.
The second list before the Smash Direct was after Rosalina's reveal. Why would the informant have her on the list if she's already known about?

And Villager being an easy guess? Bull****. There was no reason to believe that any Animal Crossing character at all was going to show up considering that Sakurai had already deemed its characters unfit for Smash.
 

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The lack of Rosalina, as repeatedly said, doesn't mean jack.

The E3 list were for characters believed to be revealed at E3. Rosalina was obviously never meant to be revealed at E3, so she wasn't mentioned.
The second list before the Smash Direct was after Rosalina's reveal. Why would the informant have her on the list if she's already known about?

And Villager being an easy guess? Bull****. There was no reason to believe that any Animal Crossing character at all was going to show up considering that Sakurai had already deemed its characters unfit for Smash.
Read my posts above for Rosalina logic.

How do you know Rosalina wasn't meant to be revealed at E3? Your inside knowledge of that is as prevalent as your knowledge of whether or not the other 3 he was WRONG about (PacMan, Mii, Little Mac) were supposed to be at E3. You can say that "maybe those 3 were supposed to be at E3, but plans changed," but you simply do not know.

There is plenty of reason to believe an AC character would be in Smash. 1) Sakurai changes his mind all the time. 2) AC is a popular Nintendo franchise. 3) Sakurai is incredibly creative. Next?
 

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Read my posts above for Rosalina logic.

How do you know Rosalina wasn't meant to be revealed at E3? Your inside knowledge of that is as prevalent as your knowledge of whether or not the other 3 he was WRONG about (PacMan, Mii, Little Mac) were supposed to be at E3. You can say that "maybe those 3 were supposed to be at E3, but plans changed," but you simply do not know.

There is plenty of reason to believe an AC character would be in Smash. 1) Sakurai changes his mind all the time. 2) AC is a popular Nintendo franchise. 3) Sakurai is incredibly creative. Next?
So basically: nobody knows. =P
 

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Okay, so just ignore me.
Sure, it's possible. That's my prevailing point...ANYthing here is possible. It's possible Sal has a lying source. It's possible Sal's source is valid and is just teasing with a few characters but not all. It's possible the source is valid and E3 plans changed. It's possible that Sal is just simply lying.

Everyone is taking different evidence that both supports and is against the leak and placing different amounts of "weight" on it. The supporters put more weight on the "He nailed WFT!," while the naysayers put more weight on "yeah but he missed the other 3."
 
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There is plenty of reason to believe an AC character would be in Smash. 1) Sakurai changes his mind all the time. 2) AC is a popular Nintendo franchise. 3) Sakurai is incredibly creative. Next?
Yeah, you can say all this now...:rolleyes:
 

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It just occurred to me that

Sal could've said the leak after Villager and Mega Man were revealed and sneaked around or overheard someone talking WFT at E3. *This is all guesses.* People were asking him for more, of course, he'd choose the poopular ones and throw in CM, because A. Ran out of options or B. Wanted to try a "Sakurai-ball" and Chrous Men. It was never told about what time he said it.
So did Sal say the leak after Villager and Megaman were revealed?
 
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So did Sal say the leak after Villager and Megaman were revealed?
You people forgot this, the day, the time. If he did say this post-reveal wouldn't that hurt his chances? I know it would for me. It's possible that he forgot Villager and simply said "Animal Crossing Guy" like Greninja is "Pokemon from X/Y."

ANSWERING THIS COULD MAKE IT OR BREAK IT!
 

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And Villager being an easy guess? Bull****. There was no reason to believe that any Animal Crossing character at all was going to show up considering that Sakurai had already deemed its characters unfit for Smash.
Only issue I have with this statement is that people were clearly still asking for and expecting an Animal Crossing representative even after Sakurai said in Brawl that the guy had no chance to get in. Having said that, I feel like it's simply that everyone forgot about it since it was something like six plus years ago, so you tend to forget a few things.
 
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