The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[Bauske]

It could be real. Technically it doesn't have anything that contridicts anything we know, at least not yet.

And as I've said before, even if the first leak was legit, it doesn't necessarily mean the second one is. Leakers have been known to lie and lead people on after their known information has run dry.

Either way, Pac-Man and Mii are locks, so Sal's first leaked characters will be in, whether he was legitimate or not. It'll be the second part that makes or breaks him now.

But I stand by every point I've made in regards to his leak.

And that's cool. We're all entitled to opinions and viewpoints, so there's nothing wrong with it.

I'd even argue that Pac-Man and Miis aren't locks at this point. Nothing is 100%. We've seen evidence that works in both their favors, but nothing that concretely says they're guaranteed to get in.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I haven't been to this thread in forever, and I'm impressed that nobody has attempted to take down my post. Probably because nobody has strong enough evidence to bring it down.

I still have seen nothing to legitimately come close to bringing this down. I don't buy the whole "he got a lucky guess". There are too many things going for it, and there is simply nothing wrong with the whole "Pokemon from X/Y" part of it.

Try and break down my post, and then I'll get back to this thread.

You put up a post that nobody has argued with yet? What page is it on?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

You put up a post that nobody has argued with yet? What page is it on?

It's on page 9 but it's also in the OP

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

I haven't been to this thread in forever, and I'm impressed that nobody has attempted to take down my post. Probably because nobody has strong enough evidence to bring it down.

I still have seen nothing to legitimately come close to bringing this down. I don't buy the whole "he got a lucky guess". There are too many things going for it, and there is simply nothing wrong with the whole "Pokemon from X/Y" part of it.

Try and break down my post, and then I'll get back to this thread.

There isn't really anything in your post to break down, it's an accurate assessment of the facts.
You mention that Sal Romano has leaked legit information before, though. I haven't actually seen that, would you be able to provide a citation?

There are a couple of scenarios that could prevent this leak from being true:

The first is the "lucky guess", but that's really unlikely. Like most people say, Wii Fit Trainer isn't a character most would guess, and even if they did, the chance of getting two more lucky guesses simultaneously is very small, especially as he only listed six; if he'd listed 20 characters and got those three, we wouldn't be giving it the time of day. More importantly, if he'd only listed three characters nobody would be saying he got a lucky guess at all, we would all accept his leak as legitimate. Obviously, there would be nothing left to talk about, though.

If it wasn't a lucky guess, there is only one more possible scenario; that the leak is half made-up. Sal or his tipster could be lying about certain information; for all we know the characters listed could be a mixture of legitimate leaks and nonsense. Although I can't come up with any reason why somebody would do that, this scenario is probably a little more likely than the "lucky guess" because the human capacity for mischief if greater than that for clairvoyance.

 

[Gameboi834]

The thing with the lucky guess theory (and I don't think it was a lucky guess, I think it's a leak) is I thought Villager and Mega Man were gonna get in, or at least they were on my predictions. In that case, the only character I would really have to guess would be WFT.
Now the odds of expecting them all may be slim, but I doubt anyone would guess them all randomly, correctly or not, without having faith in them in the first place. Two expectations and a guess is a more likely scenario then guessing three characters out of the blue. And as Sal posted, those were his "predictions", not guesses.

 

[Autumn ♫]

It's on page 9 but it's also in the OP

It's kind of hard for me to argue with it, not because of not having strong evidence to take it down, but I don't really see any large point that can potentially provoke an argument. But I'll try to make of one as I can.

Sal Romano:
-Owner of a website

I don't see how this helps his case

-has leaked legitimate information before
-would lose credibility should he be wrong (yet guesses Wii Fit Trainer who, prior to E3, would have been shot down by basically 99.9999% of the Smash Bros fanbase. Don't even try to argue that.) Animal Crossing Guy, to the average joe isn't a questionable choice, but to the people who follow Sakurai and the series very closely, it was a highly doubted idea for awhile due to his comments about the Villager.

This guy has some credibility if I do say so myself. That's my take on that part of it.

I'll admit the Trainer was a guess all of us would have laughed at (besides maybe BluePikmin ) but looking back on it, she was sort of a reasonable choice, due to how large the franchise became and she'd be the perfect choice for a random out-there character. Something Sal has done with both of his "leaks" so far. Villager was as you said, not a questionable choice to the average joe, but was also speculated by some people who followed Sakurai closely. [/quote]

Sal came to Smashboards briefly after the second leak, and explained what he knew. He received the supposed email for E3 awhile before the event (pretty sure it was a few months beforehand), and he saved it until just before as a guess. He claims that he questioned the leak, and he still does. He gets the concern with the fact that Rosalina was missed, and that X/Y Pokemon was questionable.

Let's look back at the first leak.

Sal says, "Villager, Mega Man, Wii Fit Trainer, Little Mac, Pac-Man, Mii will appear at E3"

Detractors will say that because all six of them didn't appear, the leak is automatically fake. So it didn't come to fruition just yet. Guess where else there was inaccurate information? A Pokemon X/Y leak. However, in that particular Pokemon X/Y leak, a majority of the information the leaker gave was actually CORRECT, save for a few parts (by few, I mean VERY few). On the flip side, while Little Mac, Pac-Man, and Mii hadn't appeared at E3, the other three did. Two of which are arguably dark horse characters that would have been the most questionable choices. [/quote]
The only thing the X/Y leak gave us that was right was the X/Y Pokemon...
And I believe that an X and Y Pokemon was a given, due to us always getting a new gen Pokemon, and we did, we saw 3 to be exact. MegaLucario, MegaCharizard X, and Greninja. We just thought our 6th gen Pokemon would have been just Mewtwo (with MegaMewtwo Y) and we still do.

Later on, Little Mac was confirmed at a later date. That's character number four that Sal's leaker got. However, Little Mac isn't a difficult character to predict...if you're a North American fan. Most Japanese Smash Bros fans didn't recognize Little Mac, nor did some understand why he was picked. Little Mac, while seemingly an obvious pick to western fans, was incredibly obscure to Japanese fans. He's not as obvious as some think.

However, the people in Japan that are large Smash speculators (such as ourselves) saw him as a pretty likely choice. The same thing would probably happen over here if Takamaru gets revealed.

Pac-Man has yet to appear, but should you deny the likelihood of this guy showing up, you're getting your hopes up. Namco already has a presence in Smash Bros in the form of items, and I think it should make perfect sense for Namco to receive a character, especially one in the echelon of Pac-Man, who happens to still be a major gaming icon. Maybe not modern gaming, but classic gaming for sure. Smash covers all facets of gaming history and Nintendo, and Pac-Man fits that bill.

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Don't even bring in that Sakurai quote about Namco not getting special treatment. That doesn't rule out just one Namco character. Multiple Namco characters was never likely anyway.

I don't see anything wrong here, of course this is just arguing for Pac-Man though. I character I already support.

The Mii's haven't appeared either. However, they still have quite the chance to get in. There really isn't anything to draw from as far as their potential appearance just yet, but that doesn't take away the fact that they could easily happen.

Seeing how the Find Mii stage doesn't have the iconic Mii icon, and a Mii is stuck in the cage, that kind of hurts them. And the Mii is part of the online things, so that does hurt their chances some.

So now, let's look at the second Sal Romano leak.

Sal says, " Leaker has sent a second email, saying that Pac-Man and Mii's are still coming, but there are other newcomers as well. They are: Chrom, Shulk, Palutena, Chorus Men, and an X/Y Pokemon"

Let's look at these characters one by one.

Chrom: A fairly likely Fire Emblem pick, as the protagonist from the latest Fire Emblem game, Fire Emblem: Awakening. You could say he was a "safe" choice should this leak be fake. But that's asinine logic, based on the fact that the rest of the newcomer roster is filled with characters few expected should this be real. Do you expect off the wall characters along with Wii Fit Trainer and Chorus Men (and to a lesser extent, Villager)?

While I disagree with having Chrom be playable, he is a good safe choice, which does support my theory of Sal showing us all safe characters with the exception on one.

Shulk: Protagonist from the critically acclaimed Xenoblade Chronicles. He's a fairly popular character in Japan (being at least top 10 I believe) and has quite the following in the western fanbases. He's a reasonable choice, but I'm not entirely convinced that he's a "safe" choice. If you want to get into there being too many "safe" choices, see the section on Chrom.

Palutena: a character that has been hinted at multiple times now, is very likely to be in Smash Wii U/3DS. Another "safe choice" but again, read "Chrom".

Chorus Men: This is where it gets icky. This is yet another character that nobody saw coming. This, in my honest opinion, is the only thing that will make or break this leak. If they aren't playable characters (or whatever Chorus Men consists of), the leak can be deemed fake. If they are playable, I find it highly likely that the leak will turn out to be real. This is probably another case of the character being revealed, and then speculators going on about how they were likely the whole time. I'm telling you now, they're an off the wall choice, and their position in Smash Bros 4 will make or break this leak.

X/Y Pokemon: Oh the controversial character, a Pokemon from Pokemon X/Y. This was not highly considered by many fans out there. There are many people who claim that because it was Greninja specifically, that it debunks the leak. Let me tell you why that's bad logic...you see, before Ike was chosen for Brawl, Sakurai simply had the concept of a slow moving, heavy sword user. There is proof of this, and once I get a hold of it, I will add it to this post. For the time being (before Ike was actually chosen for that spot) it could quite simply be argued, that the Fire Emblem newcomer...was simply labeled as "Fire Emblem character" just as the choice from Pokemon X/Y is possibly be labeled "X/Y Pokemon". It's happened before, no reason it can't happen again. No matter how you slice it, it is entirely accurate that an "X/Y Pokemon" turned out to be Greninja. Greninja is a Pokemon that debuted in Pokemon X/Y, therefore, he fits in the category of "X/Y Pokemon". I don't see what the problem is here.

I have the same opinion here, so no problem sighted

What I'm getting at here, is that there is presently nothing that can prove either side.

You can say it's fake, but that would bypass the fact that Sal Romano is a fairly credible source, so it should be assumed he wouldn't be making this up himself. If the guy wanted the leak to spread (which he wouldn't) that would be when he would go to a mod on IGN or a big name website. Sal, who is the owner of Gematsu, which is a small website most people have probably never heard of, claims to have gotten the information from a separate source. He did not make this leak himself. Why would he? Claiming otherwise would be going directly against the information we have. He has talked to Smashboards Staff after being asked for information. He is not bragging he's getting things right. I could go on, but I think you're getting my point.

Didn't he get on IGN (or maybe it was GameFAQ's or some other large place) at first when making his predictions? Then with the 2nd leak he did on Gematsu?

What do I think? Well, if I'm being honest, I do believe this leak. The "safe" picks make sense, and don't make it unbelievable (which doesn't take from the credibility of the leak). It makes sense to have a Pokemon from the latest gen, as Melee and Brawl both had one from their current Pokemon Generations.

Don't get any scientific terms in here, because they don't do anything for this right now. It's all speculation at this point. It all hinges on the Rhythm Heaven Chorus Men. Should they be confirmed, it should be heavily considered that this leak is real.

That's pretty much my view on it.

EDIT: Here is a journal entry from Sakurai about the Fire Emblem character:

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New work of "Fire Emblem" is produced in the Wii at the stage of July 2005 announced the creation of "Smash Bros. X"
I've found that. There is no information about the character, because I did not know anything, is at the stage of making a proposal
where he was referred to as "someone in the Fire Emblem". "I feel the heavy contrary to appearance from the developer of the original Ike
if there is a demand to put out ", was aimed at rough character with a large sword. The attack for heavy movement
easily dodged, though that painful mess it hits. In the original, the enemies far away with something like shock wave
Is there also situations to attack, but do you accommodate phase and Ike image that should aim at "Smash Bros. X".
In addition, rather than in terms of character of, when you embody a quality of character on the game, will be accepted
out did you think that it is whether to become balance. After all, the character if Tsukkome remains of the original, such as the skill
but I was not the case in any way speaking likeness restrictor is, or get out.

It's a rough translation, but it's pretty much understandable.

Well, that was long, but a good argument nonetheless.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

It's kind of hard for me to argue with it, not because of not having strong evidence to take it down, but I don't really see any large point that can potentially provoke an argument. But I'll try to make of one as I can.


I don't see how this helps his case

I'll admit the Trainer was a guess all of us would have laughed at (besides maybe BluePikmin ) but looking back on it, she was sort of a reasonable choice, due to how large the franchise became and she'd be the perfect choice for a random out-there character. Something Sal has done with both of his "leaks" so far. Villager was as you said, not a questionable choice to the average joe, but was also speculated by some people who followed Sakurai closely.

My only beef is with your stance on the Miis.

If you think about it, the symbol for the Find Mii stage is a crown...the same symbol that you mark for your favorite Miis on your console. This could be a reasonable icon for them, as the favorite Miis are typically the ones that are playable in games that support them.

Having a Mii in the cage shouldn't make a difference, as there are millions of unique Mii's out there. Not to mention the whole Toon Link scenario.

At least that's my take on it.

 

[Pazzo.]

My only beef is with your stance on the Miis.

If you think about it, the symbol for the Find Mii stage is a crown...the same symbol that you mark for your favorite Miis on your console. This could be a reasonable icon for them, as the favorite Miis are typically the ones that are playable in games that support them.

Having a Mii in the cage shouldn't make a difference, as there are millions of unique Mii's out there. Not to mention the whole Toon Link scenario.

At least that's my take on it.

And it's not like there's only ONE Mii.... Or one Toon Link.

 

[Luigi#1]

My only beef is with your stance on the Miis.

If you think about it, the symbol for the Find Mii stage is a crown...the same symbol that you mark for your favorite Miis on your console. This could be a reasonable icon for them, as the favorite Miis are typically the ones that are playable in games that support them.

Having a Mii in the cage shouldn't make a difference, as there are millions of unique Mii's out there. Not to mention the whole Toon Link scenario.

At least that's my take on it.

The Crown is a different Crown from the favorite symbol. Doesn't disprove, but just saying.

 

[papagenos]

My only beef is with your stance on the Miis.

If you think about it, the symbol for the Find Mii stage is a crown...the same symbol that you mark for your favorite Miis on your console. This could be a reasonable icon for them, as the favorite Miis are typically the ones that are playable in games that support them.

Having a Mii in the cage shouldn't make a difference, as there are millions of unique Mii's out there. Not to mention the whole Toon Link scenario.

At least that's my take on it.

AND we've seen the cage empty, which only makes a "toon link" scenario all the more likely for "Mii"

 

[Noiblade]

AND we've seen the cage empty, which only makes a "toon link" scenario all the more likely for "Mii"

While I do believe mii will be in the game (I'll have to find it) But there was a pic of the day that showed all 4 characters on screen and Alfonzo was there without Toon Link being played, so it could also be a random thing.

 

[Kevandre]

To me, the only "out of left field" choice of Sal's was WFT.. And even then I'm sure somebody else thought of it. To be honest she's a more predictable character than, say, Mr. Game & Watch.

I don't know what to think of the leak. Part of me hopes it's not true because I truly don't want to see Pacman or Mii's in this game (At least until we see a newcomer that I actually like lol), but I know I'm being hypocritical because I hate people who don't want to see a particular character in the game... Like people hoping Ivysaur or Lucas are cut. I don't like those people. But... I shrug.

If it's legit then it's legit.

 

[Pazzo.]

As E3 approaches, the day this leak is either proved or disproved approaches.

Let's see what happens.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

As E3 approaches, the day this leak is either proved or disproved approaches.

Let's see what happens.

Yep we are getting closer for the results.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Honestly, I don't think E3 will prove this leak or disprove it. The only way it can be proven or disproven is if any of the characters mentioned are Assist Trophies or are playable.

Chrom, Palutena, Pac-Man and Miis are probably playable. The only real questions (imo) are Shulk and Chorus Men. While Shulk is a pretty decently requested character (I myself am a huge supporter) I think the likelihood of his playable appearance is sometimes overstated.

This all said, Chorus Men being playable in my opinion seals it.

 

[egaddmario]

For anyone arguing about the Crown symbol, have we forgotten we didn't see the Tomodachi life stage? That one could have the Mii symbol, assuming Miis don't get the crown.

 

[CosmicKirby]

Why don't you think Sal said "Pokémon from X and Y" because Nintendo didn't even know at the point Sal's leaker found out. It's very possible.

By this logic, the leaker would've been just sitting on information from June-April. Much less, with the reveal of this character showing up so soon, it's unlikely that the character hadn't been decided by that point.
The idea that he didn't recognize it would make more sense at that point.

 

[Pazzo.]

Honestly, I don't think E3 will prove this leak or disprove it. The only way it can be proven or disproven is if any of the characters mentioned are Assist Trophies or are playable.

Chrom, Palutena, Pac-Man and Miis are probably playable. The only real questions (imo) are Shulk and Chorus Men. While Shulk is a pretty decently requested character (I myself am a huge supporter) I think the likelihood of his playable appearance is sometimes overstated.

This all said, Chorus Men being playable in my opinion seals it.

I agree.

I was a bit hasty in thinking that E3 would fix this... my bad.

 

[Robertman2]

For anyone arguing about the Crown symbol, have we forgotten we didn't see the Tomodachi life stage? That one could have the Mii symbol, assuming Miis don't get the crown.

I just noticed that!

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

By this logic, the leaker would've been just sitting on information from June-April. Much less, with the reveal of this character showing up so soon, it's unlikely that the character hadn't been decided by that point.
The idea that he didn't recognize it would make more sense at that point.

The Pokemon X/Y part of the leak makes just about as much sense as Sakurai's thoughts on a Fire Emblem newcomer for Brawl. This started out as there without a doubt being a Fire Emblem character planned for the roster.

So essentially, before Ike was chosen, the slot on the roster could simply be labeled "Fire Emblem newcomer" as Sakurai has certainly said he didn't know who to add. Factor the journal entry that is in my previous post in the OP, and that should give a better explanation.

Basically, switch Fire Emblem and Pokemon. The plan was to add an "X/Y Pokemon", but they didn't know who. Once Greninja became a popular choice, they decided upon him. It's entirely possible that Sal received his information before Greninja was decided upon.

There would be no way to tell which Gen 6 Pokemon was popular until the games had been out, so it's possible that Greninja wasn't decided upon until after X/Y released.

 

[Kevandre]

The Pokemon X/Y part of the leak makes just about as much sense as Sakurai's thoughts on a Fire Emblem newcomer for Brawl. This started out as there without a doubt being a Fire Emblem character planned for the roster.

So essentially, before Ike was chosen, the slot on the roster could simply be labeled "Fire Emblem newcomer" as Sakurai has certainly said he didn't know who to add. Factor the journal entry that is in my previous post in the OP, and that should give a better explanation.

Basically, switch Fire Emblem and Pokemon. The plan was to add an "X/Y Pokemon", but they didn't know who. Once Greninja became a popular choice, they decided upon him. It's entirely possible that Sal received his information before Greninja was decided upon.

There would be no way to tell which Gen 6 Pokemon was popular until the games had been out, so it's possible that Greninja wasn't decided upon until after X/Y released.

Plus, well, Greninja wasn't really known by people aside from Game Freak until like two weeks before the release. The /vp/ leaks were a lot of fun...

 

[CosmicKirby]

The Pokemon X/Y part of the leak makes just about as much sense as Sakurai's thoughts on a Fire Emblem newcomer for Brawl. This started out as there without a doubt being a Fire Emblem character planned for the roster.

So essentially, before Ike was chosen, the slot on the roster could simply be labeled "Fire Emblem newcomer" as Sakurai has certainly said he didn't know who to add. Factor the journal entry that is in my previous post in the OP, and that should give a better explanation.

Basically, switch Fire Emblem and Pokemon. The plan was to add an "X/Y Pokemon", but they didn't know who. Once Greninja became a popular choice, they decided upon him. It's entirely possible that Sal received his information before Greninja was decided upon.

There would be no way to tell which Gen 6 Pokemon was popular until the games had been out, so it's possible that Greninja wasn't decided upon until after X/Y released.

The point is, the leaker sent Sal the info and he posted an article on the same day. (4/8/2014) Pokemon X/Y was released in the middle of October. That would mean that the leaker got his info in a six month gap between or before when X/Y was released and April, and just didn't bother or for some reason could only afford to leak to him 6 months later.

Depending on where the leaker is getting his info, a 6 month gap of having an undecided character, only to have a fairly finished character get shown in a Direct is absurd to believe.

Much less he could name other characters to be added by name, and much further out than Greninja is in this theoretical window (as they haven't been revealed at all yet.) So why is it that this singular character in his info was just an unknown/variable aspect of his info? If he got his information before X/Y was released, then why did he wait until April to leak the info?

The idea that the X/Y Pokemon was undecided when he got the info doesn't hold as much water as the leaker simply not recognizing greninja. And that's being generous enough to assume all the info and delivery here is honest and valid.

 

[Bauske]

The point is, the leaker sent Sal the info and he posted an article on the same day. (4/8/2014) Pokemon X/Y was released in the middle of October. That would mean that the leaker got his info in a six month gap between or before when X/Y was released and April, and just didn't bother or for some reason could only afford to leak to him 6 months later.

Depending on where the leaker is getting his info, a 6 month gap of having an undecided character, only to have a fairly finished character get shown in a Direct is absurd to believe.

Much less he could name other characters to be added by name, and much further out than Greninja is in this theoretical window (as they haven't been revealed at all yet.) So why is it that this singular character in his info was just an unknown/variable aspect of his info? If he got his information before X/Y was released, then why did he wait until April to leak the info?

The idea that the X/Y Pokemon was undecided when he got the info doesn't hold as much water as the leaker simply not recognizing greninja. And that's being generous enough to assume all the info and delivery here is honest and valid.

See, that doesn't make any sense to me. As others have put it, it would not have been hard to look at Greninja and report to Sal "ninja-frog from Pokemon" or something of that nature. The internet is a vast resource of knowledge. Simply doing a search on Google for "frog pokemon x" brings up images and links to Greninja. If the leaker had known this information, he could have certainly figured that out rather than stating "Pokemon from X and Y."

By that logic then, if we are to assume this leak is real, that means the leaker did NOT know which Pokemon was going to be chosen. Perhaps he was sitting on outdated information. Maybe that's why "Chorus Men" is the way it is in the leak. Perhaps it's actually going to be Marshal by himself, but when the leaker got his information, that decision had not yet been made, same with Greninja.

It's unfair to assume the leaker has constant access to information coming from Nintendo. It may have been a one-time list they received back before E3 2013 and that's it.

 

[Tackman91]

The Pokemon X/Y part of the leak makes just about as much sense as Sakurai's thoughts on a Fire Emblem newcomer for Brawl. This started out as there without a doubt being a Fire Emblem character planned for the roster.

So essentially, before Ike was chosen, the slot on the roster could simply be labeled "Fire Emblem newcomer" as Sakurai has certainly said he didn't know who to add. Factor the journal entry that is in my previous post in the OP, and that should give a better explanation.

Basically, switch Fire Emblem and Pokemon. The plan was to add an "X/Y Pokemon", but they didn't know who. Once Greninja became a popular choice, they decided upon him. It's entirely possible that Sal received his information before Greninja was decided upon.

There would be no way to tell which Gen 6 Pokemon was popular until the games had been out, so it's possible that Greninja wasn't decided upon until after X/Y released.

My problem with this theory is... which kind of person would have access to this sort of information?

Knowing that they plan on including an "X/Y pokémon" means this is someone very close to the design team, not some lowly tester. However, the information was leaked to Gematsu the day of the direct, waaaaay after the decision to pick Greninja was finalized.

So it would be someone who knows the initial plans but not the current ones... That's very odd. I doubt a project like Super Smash has a lot of employee rotations...

 

[CosmicKirby]

See, that doesn't make any sense to me. As others have put it, it would not have been hard to look at Greninja and report to Sal "ninja-frog from Pokemon" or something of that nature. The internet is a vast resource of knowledge. Simply doing a search on Google for "frog pokemon x" brings up images and links to Greninja. If the leaker had known this information, he could have certainly figured that out rather than stating "Pokemon from X and Y."

By that logic then, if we are to assume this leak is real, that means the leaker did NOT know which Pokemon was going to be chosen. Perhaps he was sitting on outdated information. Maybe that's why "Chorus Men" is the way it is in the leak. Perhaps it's actually going to be Marshal by himself, but when the leaker got his information, that decision had not yet been made, same with Greninja.

It's unfair to assume the leaker has constant access to information coming from Nintendo. It may have been a one-time list they received back before E3 2013 and that's it.

Then why hold onto the info until April 2014, hours before one of those characters in announced, and months AFTER you already leaked? If Sal is telling the truth, he received the email that lead to the article posted on April 8th, the same day. If his leaker had this info since Sal's first prediction then there's really only one option. His leaker is purposefully feeding him info as he sees fit. The leaker knows more and is being intentionally vague.

 

[egaddmario]

Wouldn't you be vague too if your job was on the line? And a job working in the game industry too...

 

[ChunkyBeef]

My problem with this theory is... which kind of person would have access to this sort of information?

Knowing that they plan on including an "X/Y pokémon" means this is someone very close to the design team, not some lowly tester. However, the information was leaked to Gematsu the day of the direct, waaaaay after the decision to pick Greninja was finalized.

So it would be someone who knows the initial plans but not the current ones... That's very odd. I doubt a project like Super Smash has a lot of employee rotations...

Alternatively, we should consider the other, more likely, outcomes: that there isn't a leaker, or whoever it was that was leaking felt confident enough there was going to be some kind of new Pokemon rep from the new game.

 

[Bauske]

Wouldn't you be vague too if your job was on the line? And a job working in the game industry too...

Exactly. This. I've said it before and I'll say it again: We look at the leaker like he has nothing to lose instead of viewing him like a person with a job he's trying to protect. He doesn't care if he's right and has perfect predictions and makes people he doesn't know on an internet forum happy. What he cares most about is keeping his job.

 

[Bravetriforcer]

Wouldn't you be vague too if your job was on the line? And a job working in the game industry too...

A leaker is a leaker. It doesn't matter if you leak the exact thing or not, you're still a leaker risking your supposed job no matter how supposedly "vague" you make some parts of your information but not any other part.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Exactly. This. I've said it before and I'll say it again: We look at the leaker like he has nothing to lose instead of viewing him like a person with a job he's trying to protect. He doesn't care if he's right and has perfect predictions and makes people he doesn't know on an internet forum happy. What he cares most about is keeping his job.

If he truly cared as much about his job as people assume he does, he'd have been way less specific with his picks. With him being specific about his picks, Nintendo essentially has tons of information to narrow it down. "Okay, so, who had access to all these specific characters that aren't the development team?" 'cause let's be honest, it's naive to think anyone in the development team would disrespect all the hard work of their fellow men and women working on the same project by revealing what's supposed to be secret about it.

 

[dezeray112]

As E3 approaches, the day this leak is either proved or disproved approaches.

Let's see what happens.

You could also say by the time the 3DS version comes out, we'll know the legitimacy of the leak as well as the exact finalised roster.

 

[Tackman91]

Wouldn't you be vague too if your job was on the line? And a job working in the game industry too...

I wouldn't be vague, I'd just keep my mouth shut (or my fingers away from the keyboard, whatever...)

Actually, no. You know what I would do if I wanted to leak something without raising too much suspicion?

I'd mix real info with false info.

 

[fill]

so are we getting another leak prior to E3 14 from this guy?

 

[Pazzo.]

so are we getting another leak prior to E3 14 from this guy?

Let's hope so. Every move he makes is a step closer to his credibility falling or standing.

 

[Typs]

So i just read the OP and i see this:

To this date, the leak has yet to be confirmed true, although so far, there has only been evidence pointing towards its legitimacy (such as the reveal of Wii Fit Trainer and no character from this list being disconfirmed yet).

Shouldn't Rosalina be mentioned here? I know she doesn't disconfirmed the leak, but the OP was clearly written by someone who believes the leak, talking about the missing rosalina would make it a bit more neutral.

Also i don't know who drew that picture but i love you.

I wouldn't be vague, I'd just keep my mouth shut (or my fingers away from the keyboard, whatever...)

Actually, no. You know what I would do if I wanted to leak something without raising too much suspicion?

I'd mix real info with false info.

So what your saying is that part of the leak is false...
Let's your theorie is true... what do we do now? We can't know which part of the leak is true, so it become just as invalid as any other "leak".

 

[Luigi#1]

Wouldn't you be vague too if your job was on the line? And a job working in the game industry too...

"Hey this guy leaked vital info we should fire him!"
"Naw he was abit vague he's fine even though he ****ing revealed a bunch of other characters."

Also if anybody says that the info is outdated that means we can't trust it and some of those characters may not be in, so we wouldn't be able to trust it.

And people saying the Crown doesn't raise suspicion are full of **** as it isn't even a separate enough spin off to have it's own series logo. It would be like giving Mario Kart it's own logo. It's odd that they wouldn't be a Mii symbol. And it's been proven it's not the favorite symbol. It's got some things, not to many, but some things, against it. That's why I am 50/50.

 

[Bravetriforcer]

"Hey this guy leaked vital info we should fire him!"
"Naw he was abit vague he's fine even though he ****ing revealed a bunch of other characters."

"Maybe if I be really specific with the shocking characters but vague with more expected characters, they might just think the guy just got lucky!"

 

[Bauske]

Shouldn't Rosalina be mentioned here? I know she doesn't disconfirmed the leak, but the OP was clearly written by someone who believes the leak, talking about the missing rosalina would make it a bit more neutral.

Rosalina has nothing to do with the leak. The original leak stated characters that were expected to be seen at E3. Rosalina wasn't at E3. The second leak stated characters that were expected after the Direct, which was already after Rosalina had been confirmed. Not mentioning Rosalina doesn't invalidate the leak because the leaker was talking about E3, not the full roster.

 

[Luigi#1]

Rosalina has nothing to do with the leak. The original leak stated characters that were expected to be seen at E3. Rosalina wasn't at E3. The second leak stated characters that were expected after the Direct, which was already after Rosalina had been confirmed. Not mentioning Rosalina doesn't invalidate the leak because the leaker was talking about E3, not the full roster.

Atleast add that Little Mac, Mii, and Pacman weren't confirmed at E3. Cause that is a tiny purple flag.

 

[Bravetriforcer]

Atleast add that Little Mac, Mii, and Pacman weren't confirmed at E3. Cause that is a tiny purple flag.

A tiny S2 Flag, if you will.