The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[Louie G.]

@ Dark Dude
Just a question, out of curiosity.
Did you predict Wii Fit Trainer?
Did anyone else that you know of predict Wii Fit Trainer?
Sal could have been lucky, but that's some amazing luck.

 

[PlTe]

I've never played a bad Zelda. I'm sure they know what they're doing if that was true.

Sorry to go off-topic, but I'm not a fan of Link Between Worlds imo. Storyline's a meh, world is great but nothing new, I like the idea of freely going to dungeons but I think the concept needs more work.

Now on-topic, I'm not gonna dispute the E3 leak yet. I'll wait until we get more info about what's going down at E3 before giving my thoughts.
I do hope for a western release of the Attack on Titan 3DS game, though.

 

[Dark Dude]

There really are no grounds to believe or disbelieve the leak. Even if there were it's utterly irrelevant, and nothing more than arbitrary clouding of judgement. Belief has no place in rational arguments; the only thing anybody should concern themselves with is facts, of which we have but a few.

To attempt to find rationalisation for belief of this leak is no different to arguing whether or not the sky is better than the sea.

Are you serious? There is no undeniable proof one way or the other. Everyone in this thread either believes one or the other. Or, is agnostic on the situation. Nobody knows, so all we have are our beliefs. To deny that is illogical. As for the grounds for my disbelief... it's in this post. My beliefs are based on facts. Your analogy to whether the sky or sea is better, sure. But, this is an internet forum. Pretty much all people do on forums is express their opinions on things, so if that bothers you then I don't know what you're doing here.

@ Dark Dude
Just a question, out of curiosity.
Did you predict Wii Fit Trainer?
Did anyone else that you know of predict Wii Fit Trainer?
Sal could have been lucky, but that's some amazing luck.

lol. You think you have a point by asking me if I guessed WFT. No, I did not. I know that feels you with joy to read me say that, but it's also a pointless fact. I did not make any guesses at all, so it's impossible to say who my guesses would have been. You admit that it's possible that it could have been a guess, that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying for a fact that it was a guess, but that's what I think. You seem to think of him as lucky. I, personally, do not consider someone who was only half right to be lucky.

 

[Louie G.]

lol. You think you have a point by asking me if I guessed WFT. No, I did not. I know that feels you with joy to read me say that, but it's also a pointless fact. I did not make any guesses at all, so it's impossible to say who my guesses would have been. You admit that it's possible that it could have been a guess, that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying for a fact that it was a guess, but that's what I think. You seem to think of him as lucky. I, personally, do not consider someone who was only half right to be lucky.

Alright, if you hadn't speculated then so be it.
I suppose I'll ask everyone else here.

Did you predict WFT? Did you expect any Wii Fit character representation?

 

[Dark Dude]

@ Louie G. lol. I still fail to see your point. WFT was guessable. Just because you or noone you know guessed her doesn't make her an impossible guess.

 

[Louie G.]

@ Louie G. lol. I still fail to see your point. WFT was guessable. Just because you or noone you know guessed her doesn't make her an impossible guess.

That's why I'm asking everyone if they guessed her.
If she's so darn guessable I'm sure there's someone here who predicted her.
I'm literally begging to be wrong at this point, I'm outright asking someone to counter me.

 

[Autumn ♫]

That's why I'm asking everyone if they guessed her.
If she's so darn guessable I'm sure there's someone here who predicted her.
I'm literally begging to be wrong at this point, I'm outright asking someone to counter me.

I did predict her, but I think I was joking at the time, along with another guy I know.

 

[Louie G.]

I did predict her, but I think I was joking at the time, along with another guy I know.

See, there we go.
I was wrong, everyone go back to whatever you were doing before.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Are you serious? There is no undeniable proof one way or the other. Everyone in this thread either believes one or the other. Or, is agnostic on the situation. Nobody knows, so all we have are our beliefs. To deny that is illogical. As for the grounds for my disbelief... it's in this post. My beliefs are based on facts. Your analogy to whether the sky or sea is better, sure. But, this is an internet forum. Pretty much all people do on forums is express their opinions on things, so if that bothers you then I don't know what you're doing here.

I come to this forum for discussion of opinions and the analysis of facts.

In the absence of evidence, there is no basis for approaching a logical conclusion, so remaining impartial is rational. Seems nowadays everybody has forgotten how to be impartial, and it leads to unnecessary disputes from people taking sides of an argument in irrational ways. I just think that these boards could do with less of that.

 

[Dark Dude]

I come to this forum for discussion of opinions and the analysis of facts.

In the absence of evidence, there is no basis for approaching a logical conclusion, so remaining impartial is rational. Seems nowadays everybody has forgotten how to be impartial, and it leads to unnecessary disputes from people taking sides of an argument in irrational ways. I just think that these boards could do with less of that.

I fail to see how I've been irrational. All I've done is chosen to not believe that this is for a fact a real legitimate leak. Which, it sounds like you haven't done that, either, so I guess you're just as irrational as I am.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

I fail to see how I've been irrational. All I've done is chosen to not believe that this is for a fact a real legitimate leak. Which, it sounds like you haven't done that, either, so I guess you're just as irrational as I am.

Impartiality is not the same as disbelief. We are not required to have opinions if we do not deem them warranted.

 

[Dark Dude]

Okay, well, if you want to look down on me for having opinions, then go right ahead. I'm not going to stop.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

That's why I'm asking everyone if they guessed her.
If she's so darn guessable I'm sure there's someone here who predicted her.
I'm literally begging to be wrong at this point, I'm outright asking someone to counter me.

I guessed her. Trust me. And don't ask for proof 'cause I won't post it.

I sound an awful lot like Sal Romano there..

 

[bobadz]

So to sum this threads and leak up.

* No one has really found solid evidence to proove it false.

* He might have some outdated info.

Is this correct?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

So to sum this threads and leak up.

* No one has really found solid evidence to proove it false.

* He might have some outdated info.

Is this correct?

And "We still don't know if the leak itself is completely true, as only the start of it definitely was. We have to wait for more reveals to find out, simple as that."

Otherwise, you got it just right.

 

[Deleted member]

So to sum this threads and leak up.

* No one has really found solid evidence to proove it false.

* He might have some outdated info.

Is this correct?

Pretty much.

 

[Luigi#1]

It is extremely stupid to believe 100% that this leak is confirmed, and lucky guesses/WFT were impossible.
It is extremely stupid to believe 100% that this leak is wrong, and lucky guesses/WFT were easy.
We do not have enough evidence to prove the leak either way. Sure it has 5 characters for it, but Little Mac and Mega Man were wildly predicted by people. Pokemon from X/Y is vague. Villager was kinda hard, and WFT was definitely hard.

Sal Romano has leaked valid info before, and could have done it again. And he got 2 HARD guesses. I really give half points for the others. Anyways, he did leak Pokemon From X/Y right before the Smash Direct.

But he still somehow missed Rosalina, and LM, Pacs, and Mii weren't revealed in E3. And massive change ONE day before? No. Then he couldn't even describe Greninja. Ninja frog pokemon with tongue? Nah, I won't describe it.

This leak has no solid evidence for or against it. One thing is the deciding factor: Chorus Men. He couldn't get 2 wild characters by guessing, at all. Well, very unlikely, but I'd be convinced then. This leak cannot be proven untill we see Chorus menn. Or, every other character he leaked. Because that is equivalent, to me.
Still, don't try convincing others it's true or false, because we don't have any way of knowing. We must wait for E3.

 

[TheAnvil]

I wouldn't consider Villager a lucky guess at all. Most people knew an AC rep was coming, and although a lot of people assumed Tom Nook, Sal had himself covered with "Animal Crossing Guy".

Wii Fit Trainer does indeed give a little credibility to his leak. However anyone googling Nintendo's highest selling franchises would have at least considered her a possibility. And just because his list had her on, it doesn't necessarily stop it from being fake. It's like a bingo card, we had so many people posting predictions that someone was bound to have it down.

There are three key things that make me think it could be fake:
-The vagueness of "pokemon from x/y" and "Animal Crossing Guy". What position would someone be in to be able to name WFT by name but not Villager or Greninja? The pokemon part in particular is so ambiguous that it could easily have incorporated Mega Mewtwo and the other Mega evolutions. If you're going to leak something, you have to be as specific as possible, otherwise there is room left for doubt.
-The fact that he initially posted it as a "prediction" and then back-peddled afterward. Had he said something like "I have a source telling me that these will be the characters", it would have alleviated this.
-The fact that Little Mac, Pac Man and Mii were not revealed at E3. How would his source have come across that information if those 3 characters were not to be revealed at E3? And if he had access to more of the information other than what was to be shown at E3, why didn't he leak more of it?

And furthermore, these are second leak specific:
- Why did it come when it did, nearly a year after the original? What level of information did his source have access to? Again, why not be more specific, reveal the entire cast including veterans?
- Why didn't Nintendo issue a cease and desist order against his website ordering the information to be taken down as they have with information leaks in the past?

Everything can be explained away right now as a coincidence, a lucky guess as to the Wii Fit Trainer. After E3, MAYBE we'll be able to put this thing to rest as to whether or not it's true.

 

[samsparta21]

edit: aw come on it was a joke

 

[Bauske]

edit: aw come on it was a joke

omg I knew this day would come! Praise helix!

I'm still betting Pac-Man will be revealed at E3. If the Sal leak is true, there's no other time he would be revealed. Last E3 had Mega Man, which generated a lot of hype, but I'm still under the impression that the LeakyThree list of six was an initial list of candidates to show at E3, and Pac-Man was one of those. They instead decided to show Mega Man because, obviously, he'd generate more hype. But if they're going to have another third-party character in the game, heck even if Snake is in the game, I just can't see them hiding their inclusion until after the game comes out. So it's E3 or bust. xD

 

[Noiblade]

I'm going to attempt to counter @Dark Dudes "Wii Fit Trainer was so obvious"(that was sarcasm btw) Theory deal
For the sake of discussion, we're going to be ruling out people that Joke guessed it. Why? Because that really doesn't count.
Because if not I joke guess every Nintendo Character for Smash.
Joke Guess =/= Prediction.

The two characters that he guessed that everyone thinks proves this to be real is Villager and Wii Fit Trainer. Wii Fit was the third best selling Wii game, making Wii Fit Trainer the second most popular character on the Wii, second only to Mii (Wii Sports & Wii Play). Animal Crossing was the 11th best selling Wii game (outselling Metroid Prime 3) and the 7th best selling DS game (outselling Zelda: Phantom Hourglass). I think any open-minded, unbiased Smash fan could have came up with those two characters given the data. I'm sure Sakurai wants Smash Bros. to appeal to as many players as possible, so including characters from games that are more popular than the games that were already in Smash Bros. would be a smart way to do that, even if it does seem incredibly odd to many Smash players.

Okay, here's the first flaw in your argument. You say "The two characters that he guessed that everyone thinks proves this to be real is Villager and Wii Fit Trainer. Wii Fit was the third best selling Wii game, making Wii Fit Trainer the second most popular character on the Wii, second only to Mii (Wii Sports & Wii Play). Animal Crossing was the 11th best selling Wii game (outselling Metroid Prime 3) and the 7th best selling DS game (outselling Zelda: Phantom Hourglass)."

I really don't understand how sells make a character popular. I liked to play wii sports, but it wasn't because I liked the Miis, I didn't buy it because it had Miis in it.
And i'm 99% sure no one playing Wii Fit bought it because it had Wii Fit trainer. Just because a game sold well doesn't mean a Character in it is popular.
And it should be a given at this point that sells have little factor in whether someone is included or not.(Just like someone else in the thread said, Fire Emblem didn't even have a game that sold 1 million copies til Awakening recently. Earthbound sold around 140,000ish)

I think any open-minded, unbiased Smash fan could have came up with those two characters given the data. I'm sure Sakurai wants Smash Bros. to appeal to as many players as possible, so including characters from games that are more popular than the games that were already in Smash Bros. would be a smart way to do that, even if it does seem incredibly odd to many Smash players.

Okay, I highly doubt any unbiased smash fan would have came up with those 2 characters.
1.Sakurai said he didn't think he would belong in a Fighting game because he was too "cute" and couldn't be taken seriously.
2.I can promise if you gave me that info before E3 and you wiped my memory, I still wouldn't have predicted her.
3.How do you know that? Did you come from the future and into the past to give someone that info and ask them to guess a character? Unless you're John Titor I don't buy that any unbiased smash fan would have thought to guess her.
4.She is arguably from a first party shovelware title, yes this doesn't mean much but it still makes the point that 0 people would have seriously guessed her.

so we have
-A character that Sakurai didn't want in a Smash game
-A character that was an off the wall choice
-A third party character
All predicted at the same time and were all revealed there.


"I'm sure Sakurai wants Smash Bros. to appeal to as many players as possible, so including characters from games that are more popular than the games that were already in Smash Bros. would be a smart way to do that, even if it does seem incredibly odd to many Smash players."

Yes he probably does want to appeal to as many players as possible.
In an interview he gave the criteria of how he chooses character
1.They have to be Unique in playstyle
2.They have to contrast to other characters well
3.They must contribute to game balance
4.They must make people want to buy the game.

So yes you do have a point here. But I know no one that would buy the game because WFT in it, and I also highly doubt most casuals would do that.

None of the rest of the characters have been revealed yet, so I guess we're all supposed to wait and see if he's right or not. But, since I'm a disbeliever, even if he is right I would just consider it to be a lucky guess. Chorus men, however, is an oddly specific guess and this, I would consider, to be way more highly unlikely than WFT or Villager. If Chorus Men do ever get confirmed to be in the game, then, and only then, would I say that there's even a chance that this "leak" could potentially be real, but even then, I would not rule out the possibility of an extremely good guess.

Even then? You've got some explaining to do then.
At this point it is possible that everything has been a lucky guess, but it's extremely doubtful at the moment.
But Chorus Men? along with all these other characters? No. Just no, If you don't believe it then I don't know what further proof you would need.

 

[Deleted member]

Did you predict WFT? Did you expect any Wii Fit character representation?

A chart had been made in regards to potential playable characters for Smash 4 months before E3.
WFT was not only not on it among the dozens of considerably random options, but she wasn't even suggested to be on it from other users.

Hell, I didn't even know she existed before E3.

 

[Sucumbio]

But I know no one that would buy the game because WFT in it, and I also highly doubt most casuals would do that.

Speak for yourself mang, I'm buying it JUST for Wii Fit Trainer. Thee's thexthy.

Hell, I didn't even know she existed before E3.

This.

 

[Luigi#1]

I don't get leak elitists. Really, I don't.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I don't get leak elitists. Really, I don't.

Well what do you mean by that exactly?

 

[Sucumbio]

what is a those?

edit: strangewordninja'd

 

[Luigi#1]

Well what do you mean by that exactly?

People who say a leak has factual evidence when it doesn't. Luckily, none here seem to do that, but some do.

 

[Sucumbio]

I think we should officially stop abbreviating Wii Fit Trainer as WFT cause everytime I see that I still say What The **** instead ><;

So what are everyone's plans when e3 happens and there's no Mii, Pac-man, or Chorus Men? (that's a prediction, not inside info btw :D)

edit: nvm there's no right answer to that.

 

[Vann Accessible]

I think we should officially stop abbreviating Wii Fit Trainer as WFT cause everytime I see that I still say What The **** instead ><;

I have the same problem with the LDS church and the drug LSD.

My Mormon friends love that joke. :D

 

[Deleted member]

I wouldn't consider Villager a lucky guess at all. Most people knew an AC rep was coming, and although a lot of people assumed Tom Nook, Sal had himself covered with "Animal Crossing Guy".

Sakurai ruled out an Animal Crossing rep between Brawl and this game. The vast majority of people definitely did not expect an Animal Crossing rep, let alone Villager.

Wii Fit Trainer does indeed give a little credibility to his leak. However anyone googling Nintendo's highest selling franchises would have at least considered her a possibility. And just because his list had her on, it doesn't necessarily stop it from being fake. It's like a bingo card, we had so many people posting predictions that someone was bound to have it down.

Hindsight bias if I ever seen one.

Look, if anyone brought her up as a possibility for this game, they would be laughed out of the room. Literally no one saw Wii Fit Trainer coming, people are arguing for her because she is playable now, not because people though she had a chance before her confirmation.

There are three key things that make me think it could be fake:
-The vagueness of "pokemon from x/y" and "Animal Crossing Guy". What position would someone be in to be able to name WFT by name but not Villager or Greninja? The pokemon part in particular is so ambiguous that it could easily have incorporated Mega Mewtwo and the other Mega evolutions. If you're going to leak something, you have to be as specific as possible, otherwise there is room left for doubt.

Obviously, the information was outdated. Considering that Fire Emblem characters was a placeholder for Ike, it's very likely that Pokemon X & Y was a placeholder as well, which turned out to be Greninja (after he become really popular as a Pokemon).

-The fact that he initially posted it as a "prediction" and then back-peddled afterward. Had he said something like "I have a source telling me that these will be the characters", it would have alleviated this.

That's because Sal Romano wasn't sure of his source when he posted his "unlikely prediction". When Wii Fit Trainer got in, he immediately rushed to post the leak he got because the Wii Fit Trainer's confirmation backed up the leak's legitimacy.

-The fact that Little Mac, Pac Man and Mii were not revealed at E3. How would his source have come across that information if those 3 characters were not to be revealed at E3? And if he had access to more of the information other than what was to be shown at E3, why didn't he leak more of it?

Again, outdated information. It could be that they changed plans for Little Mac, Pac-Man, and Mii before E3 actually started.

And furthermore, these are second leak specific:
- Why did it come when it did, nearly a year after the original? What level of information did his source have access to? Again, why not be more specific, reveal the entire cast including veterans?

The ball is on Sal Romano's tipper court, not Sal's. Sal's tipper will let Sal Romano access whatever information he allows Sal and Sal leaks from there.

- Why didn't Nintendo issue a cease and desist order against his website ordering the information to be taken down as they have with information leaks in the past?

Probably because NDA are made to prevent fighting game engines from being leaked. Ordering a cease and desist order against the website because of character leaks would result in terrible PRs for Nintendo and with their sales as bad as it is for the Wii U, it'd be best for them to avoid unnecessary bad press.

Everything can be explained away right now as a coincidence, a lucky guess as to the Wii Fit Trainer. After E3, MAYBE we'll be able to put this thing to rest as to whether or not it's true.

Getting Mega Man, Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer (only one of whom was plausible) was not a coincidence. Villager was very unlikely for this game and Wii Fit Trainer was as close as you could get to impossible, yet both still made it. We don't need to wait until E3 2014 to conclude that the leak is probably real.

 

[Luigi#1]

Sakurai ruled out an Animal Crossing rep between Brawl and this game. The vast majority of people definitely did not expect an Animal Crossing rep, let alone Villager.Hindsight bias if I ever seen one.

Look, if anyone brought her up as a possibility for this game, they would be laughed out of the room. Literally no one saw Wii Fit Trainer coming, people are arguing for her because she is playable now, not because people though she had a chance before her confirmation.Obviously, the information was outdated. Considering that Fire Emblem characters was a placeholder for Ike, it's very likely that Pokemon X & Y was a placeholder as well, which turned out to be Greninja (after he become really popular as a Pokemon).
That's because Sal Romano wasn't sure of his source when he posted his "unlikely prediction". When Wii Fit Trainer got in, he immediately rushed to post the leak he got because the Wii Fit Trainer's confirmation backed up the leak's legitimacy.
Again, outdated information. It could be that they changed plans for Little Mac, Pac-Man, and Mii before E3 actually started.

The ball is on Sal Romano's tipper court, not Sal's. Sal's tipper will let Sal Romano access whatever information he allows Sal and Sal leaks from there.
Probably because NDA are made to prevent fighting game engines from being leaked. Ordering a cease and desist order against the website because of character leaks would result in terrible PRs for Nintendo and with their sales as bad as it is for the Wii U, it'd be best for them to avoid unnecessary bad press.
Getting Mega Man, Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer (only one of whom was plausible) was not a coincidence. Villager was very unlikely for this game and Wii Fit Trainer was as close as you could get to impossible, yet both still made it. We don't need to wait until E3 2014 to conclude that the leak is probably real.

This is what I mean by leak elitist. Your acting like 2 characters that are hard = 100% fact that it's true. AC rep was still predicted by some. And people know people change minds. Some of your points here were quite right, but mostly no. And hindsight helps abit, but it still doesn't make it impossible. We wait till either E3 or Chorus Kids.

By the way did you notice Chorus Kids popularity increased tenfold after leak?

 

[Deleted member]

This is what I mean by leak elitist. Your acting like 2 characters that are hard = 100% fact that it's true. AC rep was still predicted by some. And people know people change minds. Some of your points here were quite right, but mostly no. And hindsight helps abit, but it still doesn't make it impossible. We wait till either E3 or Chorus Kids.

By the way did you notice Chorus Kids popularity increased tenfold after leak?

I said the leak was probably true, not that it was 100% correct.

The point of my argument against Animal Crossing being expected was that saying so is hindsight bias. Even if some did, the vast majority of people did not. While it doesn't help the leak too much, it definitely can't hurt it either.

I want you to find a single person who seriously though Wii Fit Trainer was going to be in the game, let alone a possibility. The fact that Wii Fit Trainer was predicted despite no one taking her seriously as a contender is one of several reasons why this leak is likely real.

Also, remember what you said, Chorus Men became more popular after he was leaked. Beforehand, no one expected Chorus Men to be in the game and practically no one wanted it either.

 

[egaddmario]

This is what I mean by leak elitist. Your acting like 2 characters that are hard = 100% fact that it's true. AC rep was still predicted by some. And people know people change minds. Some of your points here were quite right, but mostly no. And hindsight helps abit, but it still doesn't make it impossible. We wait till either E3 or Chorus Kids.

By the way did you notice Chorus Kids popularity increased tenfold after leak?

You're ignoring the facts. You're calling him a leak elitist but at the same time you're being a leak ignorant. You won't look at the fact that Wii Fit Trainer was an impossible guess. It's been said earlier that if it was such an easy guess, why didn't you make it? And Animal Crossing had grown, yes, but this is Sakurai we're talking about- he said the series was too peaceful but acknowledged it with the plethora of content in Brawl to make up for it. Anyone who followed this community knew he thought this way which made the Villager also a tough guess, but not nearly as tough as Wii Fit Trainer, but again, a tough guess.

 

[Luigi#1]

I said the leak was probably true, not that it was 100% correct.

The point of my argument against Animal Crossing being expected was that saying so is hindsight bias. Even if some did, the vast majority of people did not. While it doesn't help the leak too much, it definitely can't hurt it either.

I want you to find a single person who seriously though Wii Fit Trainer was going to be in the game, let alone a possibility. The fact that Wii Fit Trainer was predicted despite no one taking her seriously as a contender is one of several reasons why this leak is likely real.

Also, remember what you said, Chorus Men became more popular after he was leaked. Beforehand, no one expected Chorus Men to be in the game and practically no one wanted it either.

People seem to forget leakers have almost nothing to lose. There have been leaks with Owen, E.Gadd, Hatsune freaking Miku, and if the crazy character happened to get it, BOOM the leak is super believed. If I were to try to make a fake leak, I'd honestly take a gamble. It is like the lottery, only nothing to lose and only internet fame/trolling to win. So I choose a random character. But what's a crazy character that could get in. Well, let's make it 1st or 2nd party. Okay, crazy choices = unpopular, what's another factor. Boom, sales. Okay what games...Wii Fit! I think Sal thinks his source is correct. I'm neutral. What I am saying is that it's POSSIBLE to lucky guess. And not insanely unlikely. So 50/50 to me.
I did slightly miss interpret you, and for that I apologize.

You're ignoring the facts. You're calling him a leak elitist but at the same time you're being a leak ignorant. You won't look at the fact that Wii Fit Trainer was an impossible guess. It's been said earlier that if it was such an easy guess, why didn't you make it? And Animal Crossing had grown, yes, but this is Sakurai we're talking about- he said the series was too peaceful but acknowledged it with the plethora of content in Brawl to make up for it. Anyone who followed this community knew he thought this way which made the Villager also a tough guess, but not nearly as tough as Wii Fit Trainer, but again, a tough guess.

I slightly miss interpret him, but to say WFT was an IMPOSSIBLE guess is a bit much. Like I said above, people can take gambles. Sal does have something to lose, and there for may not try to leak fake info. But he can believe his source is correct. No way in heck is WFT an easy guess. No, those people that say that are dead wrong. But it's no crazy to do that. Villager is a tough guess to. But not tough enough to count for to much. WFT put it up high in credibility. Villager helped. But I need one more hard character. And that would be Chorus Men.

 

[TheAnvil]

Sakurai ruled out an Animal Crossing rep between Brawl and this game. The vast majority of people definitely did not expect an Animal Crossing rep, let alone Villager.Hindsight bias if I ever seen one.

Look, if anyone brought her up as a possibility for this game, they would be laughed out of the room. Literally no one saw Wii Fit Trainer coming, people are arguing for her because she is playable now, not because people though she had a chance before her confirmation.Obviously, the information was outdated. Considering that Fire Emblem characters was a placeholder for Ike, it's very likely that Pokemon X & Y was a placeholder as well, which turned out to be Greninja (after he become really popular as a Pokemon).
That's because Sal Romano wasn't sure of his source when he posted his "unlikely prediction". When Wii Fit Trainer got in, he immediately rushed to post the leak he got because the Wii Fit Trainer's confirmation backed up the leak's legitimacy.
Again, outdated information. It could be that they changed plans for Little Mac, Pac-Man, and Mii before E3 actually started.

The ball is on Sal Romano's tipper court, not Sal's. Sal's tipper will let Sal Romano access whatever information he allows Sal and Sal leaks from there.
Probably because NDA are made to prevent fighting game engines from being leaked. Ordering a cease and desist order against the website because of character leaks would result in terrible PRs for Nintendo and with their sales as bad as it is for the Wii U, it'd be best for them to avoid unnecessary bad press.
Getting Mega Man, Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer (only one of whom was plausible) was not a coincidence. Villager was very unlikely for this game and Wii Fit Trainer was as close as you could get to impossible, yet both still made it. We don't need to wait until E3 2014 to conclude that the leak is probably real.

I really don't want to start an argument on this, as we're both only specualting so this will only go backwards and forwards with the same points argued on both sides. I was just adding in my two cents.

Personally, I'll never buy into a leak with so many red flags.

 

[Bauske]

I really don't want to start an argument on this, as we're both only specualting so this will only go backwards and forwards with the same points argued on both sides. I was just adding in my two cents.

Personally, I'll never buy into a leak with so many red flags.

I suppose it depends on your viewpoint, because I agree with @鉄腕アトム. I don't really see many red flags at all. If you think of things from an actual leaker's standpoint, rather than a fake internet troll leaker who doesn't have his career to lose, a lot of the pieces of the puzzle fit together and make sense. If you were a person working at big video game company that wanted to protect their identity, you would do everything in your power to protect yourself and your job, even if it meant being vague. In fact, some of the vagueness makes it more real in my eyes because of this.

 

[Sucumbio]

If the leaker had not gone through Sal would that have given it more credibility? Maybe it was the way Sal passed the leaked info on that's brought so much skepticism on this... maybe the leaker shouldn't have tried laundering his info through Sal, but I'm sure there's huge risk and little to no reward for being a whistle blower at Nintendo/Bamco for this type of info.

Sal was in a tough spot too... someone dumps a name like Wii Fit Trainer in his lap as being revealed at e3 2013 and he's like... uh, wat. F you, lol.

But with 6 names dropped and admittedly only 3 revealed THEN but then a fourth one revealed later, and the other two NOT dis-confirmed yet, I tend to think the leaker is legit, just that Sal de-legitimized -himself- by poorly executing this leak to the public.

 

[Johnny Wellens]

Okay, well, if you want to look down on me for having opinions, then go right ahead. I'm not going to stop.

I've gone back and read your posts. I don't think anyone is looking down on you for having an opinion, not even for having an opinion contrary to theirs. I think people are looking down on you because you are a tool.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I haven't been to this thread in forever, and I'm impressed that nobody has attempted to take down my post. Probably because nobody has strong enough evidence to bring it down.

I still have seen nothing to legitimately come close to bringing this down. I don't buy the whole "he got a lucky guess". There are too many things going for it, and there is simply nothing wrong with the whole "Pokemon from X/Y" part of it.

Try and break down my post, and then I'll get back to this thread.

 

[TheAnvil]

I suppose it depends on your viewpoint, because I agree with @鉄腕アトム. I don't really see many red flags at all. If you think of things from an actual leaker's standpoint, rather than a fake internet troll leaker who doesn't have his career to lose, a lot of the pieces of the puzzle fit together and make sense. If you were a person working at big video game company that wanted to protect their identity, you would do everything in your power to protect yourself and your job, even if it meant being vague. In fact, some of the vagueness makes it more real in my eyes because of this.

It could be real. Technically it doesn't have anything that contridicts anything we know, at least not yet.

And as I've said before, even if the first leak was legit, it doesn't necessarily mean the second one is. Leakers have been known to lie and lead people on after their known information has run dry.

Either way, Pac-Man and Mii are locks, so Sal's first leaked characters will be in, whether he was legitimate or not. It'll be the second part that makes or breaks him now.

But I stand by every point I've made in regards to his leak.