The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[CosmicKirby]

"Maybe if I be really specific with the shocking characters but vague with more expected characters, they might just think the guy just got lucky!"

So we're in consensus here. If he had the info, there's no immediately apparent reason why he would give vague information. If you're going to leak, leaking anything at all is just as telling as leaking everything you know.

Why then, if it was possible that the leaker had the info since last E3, did he choose to withhold information he already had until April of 2014?
The answer here leads to the idea that he didn't know the info about the Greninja leak that far back. Thus, trying to excuse him only saying "X/Y pokemon", because it was yet to be established, in spite of the fact that knew his info all the way back between E3 2013 and Oct 2013 is an flawed idea.

That was the idea I was trying to point out is flawed, he didn't say "pokemon from x/y" just because it was yet to be decided.

 

[Luigi#1]

So we're in consensus here. If he had the info, there's no immediately apparent reason why he would give vague information. If you're going to leak, leaking anything at all is just as telling as leaking everything you know.

Why then, if it was possible that the leaker had the info since last E3, did he choose to withhold information he already had until April of 2014?
The answer here leads to the idea that he didn't know the info about the Greninja leak that far back. Thus, trying to excuse him only saying "X/Y pokemon", because it was yet to be established, in spite of the fact that knew his info all the way back between E3 2013 and Oct 2013 is an flawed idea.

That was the idea I was trying to point out is flawed, he didn't say "pokemon from x/y" just because it was yet to be decided.

Also if I were a leaker, I'd release all the info I can in one shot. I wouldn't do this vague crap. And if he didn't have the information until after E3, why is it so outdated?
There are a few off things. Honestly, Villager and WFT are the only things that allow me to think this might be real. It still is hard to get those two.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Also if I were a leaker, I'd release all the info I can in one shot. I wouldn't do this vague crap. And if he didn't have the information until after E3, why is it so outdated?
There are a few off things. Honestly, Villager and WFT are the only things that allow me to think this might be real. It still is hard to get those two.

During E3 2013 the game wasn't finished. You can't know information that doesn't exist yet.

 

[Deleted member]

.....Still need to breakdown the X/Y Leak from PokéBeach.

Quite a few things detractors are saying about this leak apply to that one.

 

[CosmicKirby]

During E3 2013 the game wasn't finished. You can't know information that doesn't exist yet.

Then why did he release the info literally the day the some of it would come out? To try and give himself credibility when "Pokemon from X/Y" is revealed to be true in a few hours? Why not just say Greninja if he's known the info for a while?

The way he's been revealing info, I doubt that the leaker has been sitting on stuff and knows more, he's handing out info as soon as he gets it.

 

[Luigi#1]

During E3 2013 the game wasn't finished. You can't know information that doesn't exist yet.

At least the roster choice would be finalized by then.

 

[Deleted member]

Unlike the E3 set of characters, the informant did not claim anything in regards to the Smash Direct and merely said that the characters would be in the game.

If the informant knew Greninja was in and would be revealed in the Direct in a matter of hours, why wouldn't he just say "Greninja will be announced in the upcoming Smash Direct alongside solo Charizard" like he claimed with the E3 set and got half right? In fact, since the first set was for E3 specifically, why wouldn't the informant mention solo Sheik, solo Zero Suit, and Yoshi as who will be revealed in the Direct alongside Greninja and Charizard as opposed to a list of general newcomers with an unidentified Kalos Pokemon instead of the specific Greninja?

Answer: The informant didn't know specifics.
The informant jumped the gun on E3 specifics, and it bit him in the ass with only half of the mentioned characters being revealed.
So unless the informant is frigging clueless, I doubt he would try to claim anything specific unless he's damn sure it's accurate.

 

[Deleted member]

People seem to forget leakers have almost nothing to lose. There have been leaks with Owen, E.Gadd, Hatsune freaking Miku, and if the crazy character happened to get it, BOOM the leak is super believed. If I were to try to make a fake leak, I'd honestly take a gamble. It is like the lottery, only nothing to lose and only internet fame/trolling to win. So I choose a random character. But what's a crazy character that could get in. Well, let's make it 1st or 2nd party. Okay, crazy choices = unpopular, what's another factor. Boom, sales. Okay what games...Wii Fit! I think Sal thinks his source is correct. I'm neutral. What I am saying is that it's POSSIBLE to lucky guess. And not insanely unlikely. So 50/50 to me.
I did slightly miss interpret you, and for that I apologize.

Keep in mind that 99% of all leaks are made for the person to obtain their fifteen minutes of fame. We've seen this with various false leaks over the years for both pre-Brawl and now this game. It's also why people are swarming around the RosalinaX leak; because the information sounds "believable" despite it being nothing but plausible information that a person could easily make up.

Sal Romano has a lot to lose if the leak is fake. He's already received heated criticism because he didn't leak their favorite character on it already and people are doing everything in their power to deny the leak's legitimacy. This is despite the confirmation of a character no one predicted as well as being right on everyone so far. While the scenario of Sal Romano lying to gain credit is possible, consider what has gone down with the leak, the chances of the leak being a fabrication is very, very unlikely. If Sal Romano is faking this, he runs the risk of losing his own career (heck, leaking it already puts him at risk). I can understand skepticism, but there are tons of people who flat out dismiss the leak as "fake" because of bias towards characters in it/not in it.

so are we getting another leak prior to E3 14 from this guy?

We'll see. We could see a veteran list, there could be a third newcomer list, or even both. However, it is also possible nothing is leaked.

Shouldn't Rosalina be mentioned here? I know she doesn't disconfirmed the leak, but the OP was clearly written by someone who believes the leak, talking about the missing rosalina would make it a bit more neutral.

Also i don't know who drew that picture but i love you.

Rosalina doesn't affect the leak's chances of being real. Sal Romano never said the leak had all of the characters, just that these were the newcomers in the game.

 

[Luigi#1]

Keep in mind that 99% of all leaks are made for the person to obtain their fifteen minutes of fame. We've seen this with various false leaks over the years for both pre-Brawl and now this game. It's also why people are swarming around the RosalinaX leak; because the information sounds "believable" despite it being nothing but plausible information that a person could easily make up.

Sal Romano has a lot to lose if the leak is fake. He's already received heated criticism because he didn't leak their favorite character on it already and people are doing everything in their power to deny the leak's legitimacy. This is despite the confirmation of a character no one predicted as well as being right on everyone so far. While the scenario of Sal Romano lying to gain credit is possible, consider what has gone down with the leak, the chances of the leak being a fabrication is very, very unlikely. If Sal Romano is faking this, he runs the risk of losing his own career (heck, leaking it already puts him at risk). I can understand skepticism, but there are tons of people who flat out dismiss the leak as "fake" because of bias towards characters in it/not in it.

The source is staying anonymous. I always thought it was possible that Sal believed his source, but the source could be lying. The SOURCE has zit to lose, and he could lie to Sal. Sal could not be lying.
And one crazy one hard characters, even though their are a few red flags, still keeps me believing the leak at all. Chorus Men get confirmed? I'm 101% convinced.

 

[Typs]

Rosalina has nothing to do with the leak. The original leak stated characters that were expected to be seen at E3. Rosalina wasn't at E3. The second leak stated characters that were expected after the Direct, which was already after Rosalina had been confirmed. Not mentioning Rosalina doesn't invalidate the leak because the leaker was talking about E3, not the full roster.

Oh ok, i didn't know that.
Also I read that the leak said that Little Mac, Mii and Pac-Man were supposed to be showed at E3 2013, is this true? Because if it is it should be added to the OP.

The source is staying anonymous. I always thought it was possible that Sal believed his source, but the source could be lying. The SOURCE has zit to lose, and he could lie to Sal. Sal could not be lying.
And one crazy one hard characters, even though their are a few red flags, still keeps me believing the leak at all. Chorus Men get confirmed? I'm 101% convinced.

I 100% agree with you, i'm really on the fence about this leak but Sal seems to be trustworthy, but we don't know anything about his source.
And i think everyone agree that the Chorus Men with make of break this leak, 1 unexpected character might be a lucky guess, but not 2.

 

[egaddmario]

I highly doubt Chorus Men are going to be default characters though- they scream (lol) unlockable to me. So we most likely are going to find out the leak is legitimate after the game already drops or a few days before. But maybe they'll be revealed at E3 and end this whole discussion.

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

It's impossible to know what channels this leak is coming through, but I don't think the tipster is getting the information first-hand.

I think it's likely the tipster knows somebody at Nintendo, or another affiliated company, and receives his information from them. Could just be a friend of somebody who knows the roster talking about it at a bar.

That could explain why the leaker didn't know which Pokemon it was, for instance. If he isn't familiar with Pokemon, he would likely have forgotten the name he was told by the time he got round to providing Gematsu with the info.

 

[Noiblade]

I wonder if some of the detractors of the leak will try to use the Animal Crossing Villager Female alt costume to kill this leak.

You know how people can be. .-.

 

[Prototype]

Unlike the E3 set of characters, the informant did not claim anything in regards to the Smash Direct and merely said that the characters would be in the game.

If the informant knew Greninja was in and would be revealed in the Direct in a matter of hours, why wouldn't he just say "Greninja will be announced in the upcoming Smash Direct alongside solo Charizard" like he claimed with the E3 set and got half right? In fact, since the first set was for E3 specifically, why wouldn't the informant mention solo Sheik, solo Zero Suit, and Yoshi as who will be revealed in the Direct alongside Greninja and Charizard as opposed to a list of general newcomers with an unidentified Kalos Pokemon instead of the specific Greninja?

Answer: The informant didn't know specifics.
The informant jumped the gun on E3 specifics, and it bit him in the *** with only half of the mentioned characters being revealed.
So unless the informant is frigging clueless, I doubt he would try to claim anything specific unless he's damn sure it's accurate.

If Greninja had been stated, the leak would be confirmed. No more speculation and a lot less clicks on Gematsu.
I agree with what you have said, and I think that is most likely the case. However, it's important to remember that there are countless possibilities when considering information coming to us indirectly.

 

[PlTe]

There's probably gonna be a last-minute major leak around the game's release, similar to the X and Y ones that leaked the whole Pokedex.

 

[powerprotoman]

There's probably gonna be a last-minute major leak around the game's release, similar to the X and Y ones that leaked the whole Pokedex.

and just like the x/y pokedex leak people will say its fake

 

[egaddmario]

There's probably gonna be a last-minute major leak around the game's release, similar to the X and Y ones that leaked the whole Pokedex.

There was for Brawl- it came on January 27th if i remember correctly.

 

[Arti]

I wonder if we'll get another leak from this guy one or two days before E3

 

[egaddmario]

I wonder if we'll get another leak from this guy one or two days before E3

Let's hope!

 

[ScottyWK]

There was for Brawl- it came on January 27th if i remember correctly.

I'm pretty sure that original leak that had R.O.B and Wolf in it came out way earlier...it was just dismissed heavily because of how "ridiculous" it sounded. Just for what it's worth, though I could be wrong. Lots of beer since 2008.

 

[egaddmario]

I'm pretty sure that original leak that had R.O.B and Wolf in it came out way earlier...it was just dismissed heavily because of how "ridiculous" it sounded. Just for what it's worth, though I could be wrong. Lots of beer since 2008.

You're right. I was referring to when actual pictures started leaking. But like you said, the original list came out much earlier- i think around October.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

.....Still need to breakdown the X/Y Leak from PokéBeach.

Quite a few things detractors are saying about this leak apply to that one.

The PokéBeach leak is a big reason I look at this leak the way I do. I have no doubt that the source knows stuff, but the question is how much of it still holds true today? The PokéBeach leak leaked a lot of true stuff, namely Mega Evolutions, the Fairy-type and its match-ups, the Kanto starters being obtainable, plus a lot of Pokémon. However, it was also filled with false information, namely the starter's types (it said Chesnaught was Grass/Dark and Greninja was Water/Fighting), saying that there were two professors, the first 3 Gym types, Mega Mewtwo X looking more like Mew than Mewtwo, only having 2 rivals (you have something like 4 rivals in X & Y.)

This is why we need to be a bit wary, because the PokéBeach leak sounds a lot like the leaker knew stuff from early on in the game's development (and we know from Masuda that some of the leaked stuff was planned early on, like the Kanto starters), and so does this one. The fact that it doesn't mention Greninja by name, but just says it's a Pokémon from X & Y, suggests that this information is from very early development, namely before all pieces have been laid out, and with video games, especially one like Smash Bros, things change constantly, especially in the stage of development where you're adding all the content. Some characters might not have worked out, so they might have been scrapped, while others might have been added later in development to compensate (perhaps Rosalina is a case of the latter?) People shouldn't be too sure that all of the characters on this list will appear, and neither should they give up hope for characters that aren't on this list. I for one am very suspicious that Miis haven't been confirmed yet considering how we are closing in on the 3DS release, and that the Find Mii and Pilotwings stages have unique and seperate franchise icons, but that's just me thinking out loud.

You're right. I was referring to when actual pictures started leaking. But like you said, the original list came out much earlier- i think around October.

I'm fairly certain the list was post-Dedede at least, because I remember at the time the list was leaked the only thing I was searching for in leaks was Ridley.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

The PokéBeach leak is a big reason I look at this leak the way I do. I have no doubt that the source knows stuff, but the question is how much of it still holds true today? The PokéBeach leak leaked a lot of true stuff, namely Mega Evolutions, the Fairy-type and its match-ups, the Kanto starters being obtainable, plus a lot of Pokémon. However, it was also filled with false information, namely the starter's types (it said Chesnaught was dual type Dark and Greninja was dual type Fighting), saying that there were two professors, the first 3 Gym types, Mega Mewtwo X looking more like Mew than Mewtwo, only having 2 rivals (you have something like 4 rivals in X & Y.)

This is why we need to be a bit wary, because the PokéBeach leak sounds a lot like the leaker knew stuff from early on in the game's development (and we know from Masuda that some of the leaked stuff was planned early on, like the Kanto starters), and so does this one. The fact that it doesn't mention Greninja by name, but just says it's a Pokémon from X & Y, suggests that this information is from very early development, namely before all pieces have been laid out, and with video games, especially one like Smash Bros, things change constantly, especially in the stage of development where you're adding all the content. Some characters might not have worked out the way they wanted, so they might have been scrapped, while others might have been added later in development (perhaps Rosalina is a case of the latter?) People shouldn't be too sure that all of the characters on this list will appear, and neither should they give up hope for characters that aren't on this list. I for one am very suspicious that Miis haven't been confirmed yet considering how we are closing in on the 3DS release, and that the Find Mii and Pilotwings stages have unique and seperate franchise icons, but that's just me thinking out loudly.



I'm fairly certain the list was post-Dedede at least, because I remember at the time the list was leaked the only thing I was searching for in leaks was Ridley.

Hmmm... pretty interesting information about the stuff that was incorrect about the X and Y leaks. Although that said, I'm not sure how likely it is that there will be a major mistake about the roster. Could anyone on that leak be a probable low-priority newcomer?

 

[ChunkyBeef]

I wonder if some of the detractors of the leak will try to use the Animal Crossing Villager Female alt costume to kill this leak.

You know how people can be. .-.

You bring up a great point. The Gematsu leak DOESN'T mention that!

GEMATSU LEAK DECONFIRMED TOPIC OVER

 

[Louie G.]

Hmmm... pretty interesting information about the stuff that was incorrect about the X and Y leaks. Although that said, I'm not sure how likely it is that there will be a major mistake about the roster. Could anyone on that leak be a probable low-priority newcomer?

I could see Chorus Men and maybe Miis being snubbed out before release.
But not low priority, just because of problems they may pose development wise.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

I could see Chorus Men and maybe Miis being snubbed out before release.
But not low priority, just because of problems they may pose development wise.

I dunno, Mii's, to me, seem like they'd be pretty high priority. Especially if there's some kind of aesthetic customization factor to the character.

 

[egaddmario]

I dunno, Mii's, to me, seem like they'd be pretty high priority. Especially if there's some kind of aesthetic customization factor to the character.

And i'd assume they're closer to being done (if not already finished) because they were on Sal's first leak.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I could see Chorus Men and maybe Miis being snubbed out before release.
But not low priority, just because of problems they may pose development wise.

Yeah, if any of these are going to get cut it'll be due to technical issues. We know that they had some problems with ICs on the 3DS summer of last year, so these characters could potentially even have been cut that late into development (likely leaving leftover data for us to examine if that's the case.) There's also always the possibility of another Sonic situation, though I highly doubt that since there's no character of his scale this time. I wouldn't say characters like Palutena, Shulk or Chrom are at risk of not making it though, they seem like standard choices and wouldn't pose many problems, while Pac-Man's only hurdle would be obtaining the rights, which was likely done before he was put down on any list.

I dunno, Mii's, to me, seem like they'd be pretty high priority. Especially if there's some kind of aesthetic customization factor to the character.

Technical or conceptual difficulties could be a problem though. With transformation characters being non-existant and the 3DS struggling with ICs I do think that the 3DS will be the cause for a number of changes, and it could cause problems for the Miis in terms handling data. That's just pure speculation though, I have no idea about the limits of the 3DS on that front.

Can you play as Miis in Mario Kart 7 btw? If you can then I'd say that it likely won't be a problem.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Can you play as Miis in Mario Kart 7 btw? If you can then I'd say that it likely won't be a problem.

Both MK7 and MK8 allow you to play as Mii's, and however complicated you can customize a Mii gets displayed on your chosen Mii in MK7/8.

 

[ToothiestAura]

and just like the x/y pokedex leak people will say its fake

To be fair, there were fake pokemon leaked around that time.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Both MK7 and MK8 allow you to play as Mii's, and however complicated you can customize a Mii gets displayed on your chosen Mii in MK7/8.

Well, in that case I can't see it causing many problems for Smash on the 3DS. At worst they'll not be as customizable moveset-wise as some people wish, but that's hardly a reason to completely cut them.

 

[Deleted member]

The PokéBeach leak is a big reason I look at this leak the way I do. I have no doubt that the source knows stuff, but the question is how much of it still holds true today? The PokéBeach leak leaked a lot of true stuff, namely Mega Evolutions, the Fairy-type and its match-ups, the Kanto starters being obtainable, plus a lot of Pokémon. However, it was also filled with false information, namely the starter's types (it said Chesnaught was Grass/Dark and Greninja was Water/Fighting), saying that there were two professors, the first 3 Gym types, Mega Mewtwo X looking more like Mew than Mewtwo, only having 2 rivals (you have something like 4 rivals in X & Y.)

This is why we need to be a bit wary, because the PokéBeach leak sounds a lot like the leaker knew stuff from early on in the game's development (and we know from Masuda that some of the leaked stuff was planned early on, like the Kanto starters), and so does this one. The fact that it doesn't mention Greninja by name, but just says it's a Pokémon from X & Y, suggests that this information is from very early development, namely before all pieces have been laid out, and with video games, especially one like Smash Bros, things change constantly, especially in the stage of development where you're adding all the content. Some characters might not have worked out, so they might have been scrapped, while others might have been added later in development to compensate (perhaps Rosalina is a case of the latter?) People shouldn't be too sure that all of the characters on this list will appear, and neither should they give up hope for characters that aren't on this list. I for one am very suspicious that Miis haven't been confirmed yet considering how we are closing in on the 3DS release, and that the Find Mii and Pilotwings stages have unique and seperate franchise icons, but that's just me thinking out loud.

Good points, but I should point out that the PokéBeach leak didn't leak Mega Evos. The only thing in regards to it was that Mewtwo had two forms instead of just one, and that they were version exclusive activated by an item.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Good points, but I should point out that the PokéBeach leak didn't leak Mega Evos. The only thing in regards to it was that Mewtwo had two forms instead of just one, and that they were version exclusive activated by an item.

Yeah, it didn't leak it by name of course, but it pretty much leaked the function of it regardless.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, it didn't leak it by name of course, but it pretty much leaked the function of it regardless.

I actually don't remember it doing that.

I believe Mewtwo was the only one mentioned but under context that sounded like Mewtwo had version exclusive alternate Formes through special items much like Kyurem.

 

[Luigi#1]

Going by RosalinaX leak wouldn't it only be 13 newcomers? And only 4 secret. I hope that leak is false.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Going by RosalinaX leak wouldn't it only be 13 newcomers? And only 4 secret. I hope that leak is false.

You and everyone else who doesn't like the leak.

 

[majorasmaskfan]

You know melee had one joke character in game and watch and brawl had rob it would be kind of weird to suddenly have 3 joke characters(wft-confirmed, mii, and chrous men) none of which are retro revivals(like ice climbers or pit)

 

[Deleted member]

You don't know what a "joke character" is, do you?

Melee did have one, but it wasn't G&W. It was Pichu.

None of the examples you listed (unless Miis and the Chorus Kids are revealed to be designed to be pathetically weak on purpose) are joke characters.

 

[Dark Dude]

I'm going to attempt to counter @Dark Dudes "Wii Fit Trainer was so obvious"(that was sarcasm btw) Theory deal
For the sake of discussion, we're going to be ruling out people that Joke guessed it. Why? Because that really doesn't count.
Because if not I joke guess every Nintendo Character for Smash.
Joke Guess =/= Prediction.

Oh, hey. I didn't even notice anyone replied to my post. Alright, well, right off the bat you put words in my mouth. I never said it was "so obvious." I just said that she was guessable to anyone with an open mind and having done some research on what games were popular on recent Nintendo systems.

Also, who's to say that this "leak" wasn't a joke guess but since he was right he decided to run with it?

Okay, here's the first flaw in your argument. You say "The two characters that he guessed that everyone thinks proves this to be real is Villager and Wii Fit Trainer. Wii Fit was the third best selling Wii game, making Wii Fit Trainer the second most popular character on the Wii, second only to Mii (Wii Sports & Wii Play). Animal Crossing was the 11th best selling Wii game (outselling Metroid Prime 3) and the 7th best selling DS game (outselling Zelda: Phantom Hourglass)."

I really don't understand how sells make a character popular. I liked to play wii sports, but it wasn't because I liked the Miis, I didn't buy it because it had Miis in it.
And i'm 99% sure no one playing Wii Fit bought it because it had Wii Fit trainer. Just because a game sold well doesn't mean a Character in it is popular.
And it should be a given at this point that sells have little factor in whether someone is included or not.(Just like someone else in the thread said, Fire Emblem didn't even have a game that sold 1 million copies til Awakening recently. Earthbound sold around 140,000ish)

You don't understand how sales make a character popular? Well, there's a reason why Link is in the game and not Mike Jones. That reason? The Zelda games on NES sold much more than Startropics did. So, since Zelda sold more, more people knew it, making it more popular. Since it was popular, it got sequels and a representative in the eventual creation of Smash Bros. Now do you understand?

I don't think anyone bought Zelda back in the day because Link was in it. They bought it because it was a fun game to play, just like your reasoning for playing Wii Sports. Link was the character that you saw the most in Zelda, so it would make logical sense that Link would be the character from Zelda to be in Smash. Noticing any theme here, yet? (Wii Fit was popular, Wii Fit Trainer is who you see the most in Wii Fit...)

You do have a point, though. A character doesn't HAVE to be from a high selling video game to get a representation in Smash. It could just be a character from a Nintendo game that Sakurai believes would make a good character. But what high selling Nintendo game doesn't have a representative in Smash?

I do believe that after Brawl's release Sakurai made a comment about how Nintendo didn't have many new IPs for him to make new characters based off of. That could have been a clue that WFT could have been in the next Smash. Assuming that this "leak" isn't just a lucky / joke guess, who's to say that this guy didn't actually do his homework? For someone you guys have so much faith in, you sure do seem to have so little faith in him. To imply that the only way that he could possibly guess this is if he had insider information could be rude if it was an educated guess.

Okay, I highly doubt any unbiased smash fan would have came up with those 2 characters.
1.Sakurai said he didn't think he would belong in a Fighting game because he was too "cute" and couldn't be taken seriously.
2.I can promise if you gave me that info before E3 and you wiped my memory, I still wouldn't have predicted her.
3.How do you know that? Did you come from the future and into the past to give someone that info and ask them to guess a character? Unless you're John Titor I don't buy that any unbiased smash fan would have thought to guess her.
4.She is arguably from a first party shovelware title, yes this doesn't mean much but it still makes the point that 0 people would have seriously guessed her.

1. I think most people know that it's possible for someone to change their mind. Have you never met anyone that changed their mind in your entire life? C'mon.
2. Okay. You're not everyone.
3. I said "could have" not "would have." There's a difference. It is within the realm of possibility. To deny that is both ignorant and arrogant.
4. Who are you to say that zero people would have seriously guess her? Out of the hundreds of people guessing various websites, you're seriously going to say that there's a zero percent chance that even one person could have guessed her? That is some hardcore denial, man.

so we have
-A character that Sakurai didn't want in a Smash game
-A character that was an off the wall choice
-A third party character
All predicted at the same time and were all revealed there.

Coming from one list of many. He only got half of his guesses right (as he was guessing who was going to be revealed at E3). The only reason you and others are holding on to this for dear life is because of one third of the half that he got right. Do you really not see how that could be viewed as desperate?

"I'm sure Sakurai wants Smash Bros. to appeal to as many players as possible, so including characters from games that are more popular than the games that were already in Smash Bros. would be a smart way to do that, even if it does seem incredibly odd to many Smash players."

Yes he probably does want to appeal to as many players as possible.
In an interview he gave the criteria of how he chooses character
1.They have to be Unique in playstyle
2.They have to contrast to other characters well
3.They must contribute to game balance
4.They must make people want to buy the game.

So yes you do have a point here. But I know no one that would buy the game because WFT in it, and I also highly doubt most casuals would do that.

Well, you see, I don't think putting WFT in the game is going to make Wii Fit fans buy the game right away. However, I think it could open the gate for some people. Let's say there's a household where someone likes to play Smash and someone else likes to play Wii Fit. The person who plays Wii Fit wouldn't normally play Smash, but if the Smash player is all like, "C'mon. Wii Fit Trainer is in it." Then maybe that person would give the game a try. Then maybe that person would become interested in Smash. And maybe, just maybe, Smash's fanbase branches out just a little bit. Plus, Sakurai probably had fun putting WFT in the game.

Even then? You've got some explaining to do then.
At this point it is possible that everything has been a lucky guess, but it's extremely doubtful at the moment.
But Chorus Men? along with all these other characters? No. Just no, If you don't believe it then I don't know what further proof you would need.

Wait, what? Why are you bringing up Chorus Men? They haven't been confirmed. Are you seriously using another guess that has no ground as proof that he's legit? I already said in one of my posts what it would take to convince me that this is legit, but it's already too late for that. If he would have guessed every unannounced character and been right about every one, then I would be convinced that there's a strong possibility that he has inside information. But guessing WFT alone is not enough to convince that he is legit, no.

Well, hopefully this helps you understand my perspective better.

 

[Noiblade]

Oh, hey. I didn't even notice anyone replied to my post. Alright, well, right off the bat you put words in my mouth. I never said it was "so obvious." I just said that she was guessable to anyone with an open mind and having done some research on what games were popular on recent Nintendo systems.
Also, who's to say that this "leak" wasn't a joke guess but since he was right he decided to run with it?.

1. I said it was Sarcasm, even if I didn't it's really easy to tell.
2. You're right it could have been a joke, but doubtful.
You really thing it's possible to nail 5 characters in a row, and nothing conflict?

You don't understand how sales make a character popular? Well, there's a reason why Link is in the game and not Mike Jones. That reason? The Zelda games on NES sold much more than Startropics did. So, since Zelda sold more, more people knew it, making it more popular. Since it was popular, it got sequels and a representative in the eventual creation of Smash Bros. Now do you understand?

I don't think anyone bought Zelda back in the day because Link was in it. They bought it because it was a fun game to play, just like your reasoning for playing Wii Sports. Link was the character that you saw the most in Zelda, so it would make logical sense that Link would be the character from Zelda to be in Smash. Noticing any theme here, yet? (Wii Fit was popular, Wii Fit Trainer is who you see the most in Wii Fit...)

You do have a point, though. A character doesn't HAVE to be from a high selling video game to get a representation in Smash. It could just be a character from a Nintendo game that Sakurai believes would make a good character. But what high selling Nintendo game doesn't have a representative in Smash?

I do believe that after Brawl's release Sakurai made a comment about how Nintendo didn't have many new IPs for him to make new characters based off of. That could have been a clue that WFT could have been in the next Smash. Assuming that this "leak" isn't just a lucky / joke guess, who's to say that this guy didn't actually do his homework? For someone you guys have so much faith in, you sure do seem to have so little faith in him.
To imply that the only way that he could possibly guess this is if he had insider information could be rude if it was an educated guess.

You litterally just prove my point. Sales =/= Popularity.
You said
"Well, there's a reason why Link is in the game and not Mike Jones.
That reason? The Zelda games on NES sold much more than Startropics did.
So, since Zelda sold more, more people knew it, making it more popular.
Since it was popular, it got sequels and a representative in the eventual creation of Smash Bros. Now do you understand?"

See you're using Popular and popularity wrong, popular doesn't mean people know about something
Popular means being liked and admired.

1. I think most people know that it's possible for someone to change their mind. Have you never met anyone that changed their mind in your entire life? C'mon.
2. Okay. You're not everyone.
3. I said "could have" not "would have." There's a difference. It is within the realm of possibility. To deny that is both ignorant and arrogant.
4. Who are you to say that zero people would have seriously guess her? Out of the hundreds of people guessing various websites, you're seriously going to say that there's a zero percent chance that even one person could have guessed her? That is some hardcore denial, man.

1.Fine you have a point people change their mind
2.Alright.
3.Yes it is possible.
4.Okay I want you to open a new tab, and I want you to find someone who guessed Wii Fit Trainer, you're saying that out of hundreds of people guessing, someone should have guessed her right? So can you find me someone who isn't Sal?

Coming from one list of many.
He only got half of his guesses right (as he was guessing who was going to be revealed at E3).
The only reason you and others are holding on to this for dear life is because of one third of the half that he got right. Do you really not see how that could be viewed as desperate?

I can say the same exact thing about people against the leak, you use the same thing we are, are you not?

Wait, what? Why are you bringing up Chorus Men? They haven't been confirmed. Are you seriously using another guess that has no ground as proof that he's legit?
I already said in one of my posts what it would take to convince me that this is legit, but it's already too late for that. If he would have guessed every unannounced character and been right about every one, then I would be convinced that there's a strong possibility that he has inside information.
But guessing WFT alone is not enough to convince that he is legit, no.

Okay hypothetically speaking, let's say every character in this leak is confirmed, would you believe it? Or would you still go on about how he "guessed" them all?

But you still wouldn't believe it if he "guessed"
1 Third party character
1 Off the wall oddball character
1 popular character
1 Pokemon
1 Charcter Sakurai stated he didn't want in a game.
and finally 1 character from a lesser known series?

At that point, it's all but confirmed that this leak is legit. Is it still possible he got lucky? Yeah, but really 6 out of 11 characters? and it was all just "luck", I seriously doubt that.