The Official Thread For the Sal Romano/Gematsu Leak

[BlueberrySyrup]

As for Lucas, I'm sorry if the thought affects you emotionally(earthbound avatar), and that's what led you to reply this way, but it's mostly just a gut feeling that he could be cut. Mother is popular in Japan, but these guys couldn't even properly give us the game Lucas was from, actually they just didn't. I wouldn't be surprised if they mirrored that in smash and pulled out, just because of his weak relevance outside of a fan-base. But if he does come back, would be nice if his game came out too. <_<

7/27/14 my friend, that is the date we will know if he's cut or not.

Reggie STARTING off E3 with a Mother 3 joke would just be a slap to the face if he didn't localize it. Especially with the Star Fox Joke.

The date I posted is the Mother series 25th anniversary. I've said it before but just think about it, I see a big opportunity window.

 

[NoiseHERO]

7/27/14 my friend, that is the date we will know if he's cut or not.

Reggie STARTING off E3 with a Mother 3 joke would just be a slap to the face if he didn't localize it. Especially with the Star Fox Joke.

The date I posted is the Mother series 25th anniversary. I've said it before but just think about it, I see a big opportunity window.

Totally forgot about the E3 thing I think they've kicked the Mother fanbase around enough as it is. But ehn that's not what this thread's about.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

Totally forgot about the E3 thing I think they've kicked the Mother fanbase around enough as it is. But ehn that's not what this thread's about.

At the same time, a Mother 3 localization would be all the info we need to tell if the Lucas portion of this leak is true.

 

[Deleted member]

The Lucas thing is true if he's in or not. It says they were "thinking about it," not that he's gone or back. Either outcome makes this portion of the leak true.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I can deal with this leak. Honestly as long as Captain Falcon, Falco and Ness are back I honestly could care less about who they put in the game. So many characters are being reworked that everyone feels new to me, and there are still veteran characters who we know little to nothing about (Peach, Ike, Diddy etc.).

In the end in just gonna play with and learn to love every character.

 

[Ryan.]

I'm glad the leak isn't drastic with the Ness and Lucas tidbit. I'd be upset if it said "Lucas is cut".

I didn't know that Mother 3 was teased at E3, missed that! That's comforting.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

I'm glad the leak isn't drastic with the Ness and Lucas tidbit. I'd be upset if it said "Lucas is cut".

I would have actually preferred it if it told us exactly who was cut.

 

[Ryan.]

I would have actually preferred it if it told us exactly who was cut.

It'd be less believable to me. All the fake leaks have a list of characters who are cut. This one is unsure, and the game is still in development so anything could happen.

Also, Lucas is the man.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

It'd be less believable to me. All the fake leaks have a list of characters who are cut. This one is unsure, and the game is still in development so anything could happen.

Also, Lucas is the man.

I hope Lucas is back, but... I'm starting to have doubts... At least there's always the possibility of DLC.

 

[Ryan.]

I'm having my doubts too. I just hope they are wrong haha. I can see where you are coming from though, wanting an answer.

 

[Moldy Clay]

"He just guessed everything guys. I mean, everything was really easy to guess anyways."

To be perfectly fair, they were all easy to guess.

...Except for Wii Fit Trainer, Shulk (more or less), Chorus Kids, and the name "Mii Fighter" (but Mii was an extremely easy guess).

The name "Mii Fighter" and the Sneaky Spirit enemy, added on top of WFT skyrocketed the plausibility beyond "lucky guess/most wanted compilation" levels.

The problem is, the validity of the leak will never be truly agreed upon.

If they're all correct, then pro-people will say he's right and anti-peeps that he was exceptionally lucky.
If the last 3 are NOT playable (or any combination/one of them), then anti-people will say he was wrong, but pro-peeps will say he purposely added characters to throw off Nintendo or that they must have gotten cut since he got his info.

So regardless of what happens, people are going to find ways for it to fit their side, just like the Ridley trolling.

Lucas & Ness won't prove anything (tons of people expected Lucas cut, and the leak wasn't set in stone on him).
Characters not in the leak won't prove anything (like Rosalina, maybe).
Chrom won't necessarily prove anything, but will be one more confirmed from the list.

Chorus Kids, however will seal the deal to where anyone doubting it is literally just in denial. Especially if it's exactly them. There's simply no getting around that. Guessing Wii Fit Trainer AND Chorus Men/Kids (by name), and the name Mii Fighter? Forget it. Those aren't guesses.

Having said that, I still entertain the idea that it could easily be lucky guesses until we get Shulk & Chorus Kids. But at that point, we'll likely have all the characters confirmed anyway, so it doesn't even matter if it was right, since we'll have the full roster.

All it will really mean at that point is that SSB's getting DLC and that we can trust the mysterious Gematsu leaker in the future, assuming he isn't/wasn't fired. Unless this was all secretly done INTENTIONALLY by Nintendo to gauge interest in the characters before revealing them.

As for DLC, I mean, they were asking at the Nintendo Store "what characters do you want to see?" Why would they ask that if they weren't considering more characters? Just as a formality?

 

[JaidynReiman]

To be perfectly fair, they were all easy to guess.

...Except for Wii Fit Trainer, Shulk (more or less), Chorus Kids, and the name "Mii Fighter" (but Mii was an extremely easy guess).

The name "Mii Fighter" and the Sneaky Spirit enemy, added on top of WFT skyrocketed the plausibility beyond "lucky guess/most wanted compilation" levels.

The problem is, the validity of the leak will never be truly agreed upon.

If they're all correct, then pro-people will say he's right and anti-peeps that he was exceptionally lucky.
If the last 3 are NOT playable (or any combination/one of them), then anti-people will say he was wrong, but pro-peeps will say he purposely added characters to throw off Nintendo or that they must have gotten cut since he got his info.

So regardless of what happens, people are going to find ways for it to fit their side, just like the Ridley trolling.

Lucas & Ness won't prove anything (tons of people expected Lucas cut, and the leak wasn't set in stone on him).
Characters not in the leak won't prove anything (like Rosalina, maybe).
Chrom won't necessarily prove anything, but will be one more confirmed from the list.

Chorus Kids, however will seal the deal to where anyone doubting it is literally just in denial. Especially if it's exactly them. There's simply no getting around that. Guessing Wii Fit Trainer AND Chorus Men/Kids (by name), and the name Mii Fighter? Forget it. Those aren't guesses.

Having said that, I still entertain the idea that it could easily be lucky guesses until we get Shulk & Chorus Kids. But at that point, we'll likely have all the characters confirmed anyway, so it doesn't even matter if it was right, since we'll have the full roster.

All it will really mean at that point is that SSB's getting DLC and that we can trust the mysterious Gematsu leaker in the future, assuming he isn't/wasn't fired. Unless this was all secretly done INTENTIONALLY by Nintendo to gauge interest in the characters before revealing them.

As for DLC, I mean, they were asking at the Nintendo Store "what characters do you want to see?" Why would they ask that if they weren't considering more characters? Just as a formality?

Nope, he got Mii Fighter due to the poor username/password protection on the Nintendo E3 press site.

 

[Moldy Clay]

Nope, he got Mii Fighter due to the poor username/password protection on the Nintendo E3 press site.

Oh yeah?

Well cross that one off. The rest still kinda stands, though. You can't really guess Chorus Kids. Not back in April anyway.

 

[TaichiYaegashi]

Nope, he got Mii Fighter due to the poor username/password protection on the Nintendo E3 press site.

How do we absolutely know this is the case? It's very possible but...again, how do we know?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

How do we absolutely know this is the case? It's very possible but...again, how do we know?

The problem is, we can't really just ignore this possibility. It's very awkward how he suddenly uses Goddess Palutena, and drops two other unprovable bits along with one exact name right. His 3rd leak is far more iffy than the other two.

 

[JaidynReiman]

How do we absolutely know this is the case? It's very possible but...again, how do we know?

The fact is, we can safely write it off because that option was open, and other than "Mii Fighter" EVERYTHING on his list has been extremely outdated.

 

[TaichiYaegashi]

Alright, fair enough I suppose.

 

[egaddmario]

The problem is, we can't really just ignore this possibility. It's very awkward how he suddenly uses Goddess Palutena, and drops two other unprovable bits along with one exact name right. His 3rd leak is far more iffy than the other two.

I believe it's because of a translation thing- Lady Palutena is how she's referred to here, but over in Japan it's Goddess Palutena. I assume we just got Palutena, but what did Japan get?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I believe it's because of a translation thing- Lady Palutena is how she's referred to here, but over in Japan it's Goddess Palutena. I assume we just got Palutena, but what did Japan get?

It's possible. Still odd he didn't get that name right yet got Mii Fighters. It's more likely he found that information via the site. What'll drive it home is if Lucas or Ness is cut and DLC shows up. The Mii Fighter bit really doesn't help the 3rd leak at all.

 

[Ryan.]

I don't know. I find it hard to believe that it is just a coincidence that he got 7 (or 8 if you include Greninja) right as a group, with none being deconfirmed so far. Guessing Wii Fit Trainer alone seems hard to believe.

 

[Louie G.]

Why is the third leak iffy? Because Lucas was cut?

Honestly that's the only key difference aside from DLC, which most of us speculated would happen anyway.

"Goddess Palutena" is strange, but "Mii Fighters" makes it forgivable.
I believe the third leak the least, although I still believe it.

 

[NoiseHERO]

So are people not buyin' this leak cause they're still in "not gonna believe it till I see it" mode? Or because they don't want it to be true? :0

 

[Louie G.]

So are people not buyin' this leak cause they're still in "not gonna believe it till I see it" mode? Or because they don't want it to be true? :0

We've already seen it, so it must be the second option.

 

[JaidynReiman]

So are people not buyin' this leak cause they're still in "not gonna believe it till I see it" mode? Or because they don't want it to be true? :0

No, most people buy it, we're just debating on how accurate all the information is because everything is extremely outdated, so there's no guarantee everything is set in stone.

 

[Fenrir VII]

I feel like the general leaning is AGAINST just flat guessing at this point...

But if he knew info about 2013 E3 and 2014 E3 (confirmed he could have for 2014), and guessed the rest, none of them seem all that fantastic of guesses EXCEPT for Chorus Men, who is not confirmed.

If Chorus Men is in, and we can't say how he would have known this (other info we didn't have on Smash Run, etc), then the leak will be almost inarguable.

 

[Deleted member]

I have to admit, I didn't think the leak was real before, but now I'm convinced enough, at least there is Shulk, right?

 

[NoiseHERO]

But basically... it's still a "leak" if we got info before it was official right? even if he simply found some E3 planned info.

It'd only be amazing at all if he guessed everything which seems unlikely even if a chunk of people think that. If he just released some secret info, then he's technically a horrible person. Which isn't so amazing...

So any pedestal that he's been put on that is undeserved if it's real info he leaked, while people trying to take him down from that pedestal by saying he's guessing, are kinda saying he actually did something more impressive. (even if they're calling it easy guesses.)

 

[JaidynReiman]

But basically... it's still a "leak" if we got info before it was official right? even if he simply found some E3 planned info.

It'd only be amazing at all if he guessed everything which seems unlikely even if a chunk of people think that. If he just released some secret info, then he's technically a horrible person. Which isn't so amazing...

Its a leak, we just don't know how accurate it all is, so caution should be taken when predicting upcoming characters based on the leak.

 

[Fenrir VII]

But basically... it's still a "leak" if we got info before it was official right? even if he simply found some E3 planned info.

It'd only be amazing at all if he guessed everything which seems unlikely even if a chunk of people think that. If he just released some secret info, then he's technically a horrible person. Which isn't so amazing...

Well, let's clarify...

If he ONLY had E3 info, then WFT, Megaman, Villager, and Mii Fighter's name were the actual "leak", and everybody else on that list is a guess.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Well, let's clarify...

If he ONLY had E3 info, then WFT, Megaman, Villager, and Mii Fighter's name were the actual "leak", and everybody else on that list is a guess.

And considering how much the other characters were suggested... Its not a hard guess, he then just looked at the sales numbers and most popular requests and added Rhythm Heaven, Chrom, Shulk, Palutena, Pac-Man, Mii (from the first leak, he did change it to Mii Fighter later) and a "Pokemon From X/Y."

I doubt he "ONLY" had E3 info and guessed the rest at this point, but it is possible.

 

[egaddmario]

Did we all forget Sal has leaked fighting game rosters before? This is literally nothing new. He has inside info. People need to accept this.

 

[Fenrir VII]

Did we all forget Sal has leaked fighting game rosters before? This is literally nothing new. He has inside info. People need to accept this.

Sal has said repeatedly that he doesn't fully trust the actual leaker.

 

[CapnMuffin]

I think it's fairly obvious the leak source is true but old and out dated.

People often say the Pokemon X/Y thing discredits the leak... I say the opposite.

We recently found out Sakurai reserved Greninja's spot well before development. In my mind a lot of early documents pertaining to Smash would reference "Pokemon from X/Y" as final names and decisions were still being ironed out. That language was just the placeholder. It's clear Sal's source had access to early info like that... Which probably also referenced "Goddess Palutena".

Gematsu leak is true. Please accept it. However it's not the end all final word... It's merely tidbits of info from old information. Any character and change is still possible.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Apparently so. I just tried to post in a non-confronting manner my opinions and logic and the first response was "Hurr it's true".

I like to think I'm keeping an open mind, but there's still all to play for, so to speak. When the Japanese get the game, we'll know for sure.

People are tired of repeating the same argument over, and over, and over to the same fallacious arguments against the leak over, and over.

Even if your post was well constructed, it doesn't change the fact the leak is likely true, so where do you want folks to even muster up the desire to battle over it anymore? No matter your curiosity in certain elements of the info, it's probably true. It doesn't get more simple than that.

It's like presenting a well constructed argument for 1 + 1 = 3. Your argument can be beautifully constructed but nobody really wants to waste their time going in-depth to teach you something you already should have learned through common sense (basic probability).

 

[Cpt.]

Finally finished my video on the Gematsu leak. I hope I remembered to cover everything so far!

I know this thread isn't for roster predictions, don't worry they are not in this episode of the series.

 

[Deleted member]

All i want is Chrom and Shulk. and im still hoping inside that Mike Jones from Star Tropics will come to Smash 4 hahaha i highly doubt it tho i would have a heart attack seriously.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Even if your post was well constructed, it doesn't change the fact the leak is likely true, so where do you want folks to even muster up the desire to battle over it anymore? No matter your curiosity in certain elements of the info, it's probably true. It doesn't get more simple than that.

A lot of the argument that's left is mostly trying to convince people who have accepted the leak that the leak doesn't suggest that's all we're getting. Not to mention, if the leak is 100% right in all aspects, not just the roster, then there's DLC coming, so this is not the final roster either way.

It just kinda frustrates me when people sit there all cross-eyed and bucktoothed, sipping on moonshine and playing their banjos, stating that the Gematsu Leak is all we have left.. when the leaker himself states this isn't the case just by saying there's DLC on the way.

 

[Wanderer from Roseyard]

If the rumor turns out to be genuine, I wouldn't be upset. Mega Man, Little Mac and Shulk are characters I've wanted since the beginning; Greninja was my starting companion in Pokemon Y; Villager, WFT and Chorus Kids are nice surprises; Rosalina, Palutena and Pac-Man were eyeroller characters who I've actually come to like because Sakurai brings them to life so well; and with the Mii, any human can fight now.

I don't care for Chrom, but I guess I like his Leon S. Kennedy voice. I kept waiting for an "Ada, wait!"

In the mid-to-high forties, Smash 4 has a massive roster for this kind of game. Sure, some of my requests didn't make it, but that always leaves things to look forward to in the future.

However, as I've been reading the last few pages, I've seen many users who aren't satisfied with the proposed set of newcomers. I've seen a lot of contrived explanations for why there might be more new characters than what Sal's source knows about, and it sounds like certain people are trying to rev the hype engine for something that's not coming. I won't tell those people what they're allowed to hope for, but I still caution them not to assume there is more. If this list is complete, I've made peace with it and I hope everyone else can, or there will be a Brawlian outrage when the roster is revealed!

 

[Cpt.]

A lot of the argument that's left is mostly trying to convince people who have accepted the leak that the leak doesn't suggest that's all we're getting. Not to mention, if the leak is 100% right in all aspects, not just the roster, then there's DLC coming, so this is not the final roster either way.

It just kinda frustrates me when people sit there all cross-eyed and bucktoothed, sipping on moonshine and playing their banjos, stating that the Gematsu Leak is all we have left.. when the leaker himself states this isn't the case just by saying there's DLC on the way.

There is definitely more to come. Nintendo would have made a release date for Wii U if there wasn't.

 

[NoiseHERO]

if we've landed on the info being old, and Sal saying he barely trusts this source... there's definitely gonna be some more inaccuracies left. But we can only wait to find out what.

I'm totally cool with DLC characters, but yeah falco, ness and falcon better be in the initial release.

There is definitely more to come. Nintendo would have made a release date for Wii U if there wasn't.

Actually they said wiiU version was coming out later for "bug fixing." I guess bugs that 3DS doesn't have to put up with.