The Official "Should/Will Metaknight be banned?" Thread (LISTEN TO THE SBR PODCAST!)

[da K.I.D.]

thank you
and the person who said my point of view is they made it omnipotent (forgot the name sorry
)
basically that's what they did but they let others be more diverse so there are advantages and disadvantageous otherwise the game would be horrible.

this guy actually believes that the creators knew everything that was going to go into the competitive metagame adn designed it intentionally that way...

...
...just...

just no

 

[Mocha19]

Ehh.. At this point I just want a decision to be made. I don't even care anymore. lol

 

[LuigiKing]

Howcome when I said this on the SAME PAGE in a huge, thread-winning type post, no one even mentioned it, and when Praxis says it, a bunch of people are like "Oh my god, I get it now, it's so simple when he says it, Old Sagat is Metaknight!"?

Haha, I was just skimming the topic, and I know praxis IRL so I read his post. I didn't even know you posted on the matter. Sorry

 

[BentoBox]

I share Mocha's opinion... this has been dragged on for much too long D:

 

[Punishment Divine]

IMO further discussion on this gets us nowhere. However, it's nice to keep the debates a'firin

As of right now the only thing we can do is react to the MK-less tournaments that are coming up within these next few weeks.

 

[Praxis]

Haha, I was just skimming the topic, and I know praxis IRL so I read his post. I didn't even know you posted on the matter. Sorry

I didn't see it till now either and looked back and found it T_T

 

[adumbrodeus]

I understand that.

So... Meta doesn't approach. >_> Yoshi still can't do anything vs Meta's dtilt and overall zoning.

In super-theory Marth could up b everything, and in super-theory Yoshi can pivot grab all aerial approaches by Meta. But we aren't super humans, and Meta doesn't have to rely on approaches that will get him grabbed.

Again, I agree, Which is why it's a slight advantage in Marth board terms, a 45-55.

Also, I think the dtilt is included in that, even though it's a poke, not an approach.


Also, the biggest point is, MK never has to approach, so why should he?

From there, his better zoning puts Yoshi in an inherently slight worse position.

 

[mariofanpm12]

Melee Marth+ Melee Fox= Meta Knight.

Mewtwo-Speed+Tripping-Priority= Everyone else.

We all know the answer here.

 

[PND]

man you guys are too worked up over this
my opinion= no "johns"
and if metaknight were unbeatable if the guy using it was pro
i dont think they'd make it on purpose
and metaknight is actually eaisily countered by some people
for instance lucario (projectile, strong, and powerful)
or captain falcon with his speed and power
normally i pick ike to deal with him or pikachu since down b gets a lot of MK's since MK needs to be close to attack
to beat MK its just common sense, which is "dont get hit"
which is hard i admit but its still common sense

post of the year. Someone give this guy an award.

 

[da K.I.D.]

I really, REALLY hope youre joking,
I still cant believe this guy says captain falcon has speed and power...
p.s. sarcasm STILL does not transfer over teh intarwebs

 

[Zankoku]

Melee Marth+ Melee Fox= Meta Knight.

Mewtwo-Speed+Tripping-Priority= Everyone else.

We all know the answer here.

Ban every character except Meta Knight. They all suck too much and skew the metagame when we should all actually be playing Meta Knight.

 

[da K.I.D.]

leaving him in IS banning everyone except him, its lol

 

[Tenki]

I really, REALLY hope youre joking,
I still cant believe this guy says captain falcon has speed and power...
p.s. sarcasm STILL does not transfer over teh intarwebs

Hey, Falcon DOES have speed and power.

He hurts.
He runs fast.
His jab is fast and sets up for stuff.

But...speed and power aren't exactly his problem though lol.

 

[PND]

Yes, I'm joking.

The only award that post should receive is a Darwin award.

 

[Zankoku]

leaving him in IS banning everyone except him, its lol

Then I don't see what the problem is. Unless you want to play a banned character. Cheater.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Hey, Falcon DOES have speed and power.

He hurts. he gets hurt 10x more than he hurts anybody else
He runs fast. and...? his kill moves still suck and are slow
His jab is fast and sets up for stuff. so does everybodys, snakes sets up for like a 5 frame kill move, falcon gets a grab with no garanteed followups

But...speed and power aren't exactly his problem though lol.

exactly

Yes, I'm joking.

The only award that post should receive is a Darwin award.

^^TRUFAX!!^^

@ankoku, yes i want to play a banned character, i want to play 5 as a matter of fact, and i dont think that that should be taken away from me, just because theres only one legal character

 

[LUVTOY77-ROGUE WIREFRAME]

Would R.O.B. be a good choice against Meta?

It seems like projectile-based characters would have the edge on MK--why don't they?

^Sorry if I sound ignorant--it's cuz I am. I haven't played many MK's.. skilled or not.

none of my friends have smash bros. brawl but one, who can never play, and I dnt get online much.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

run luvtoy run OS is coming.

I only say this because I don't know the specifics but OS will probably post 3000 words on it or just 3 words.

 

[DRaGZ]

R.O.B. gets ***** in the *** by MK.

 

[Overswarm]

Would R.O.B. be a good choice against Meta?

It seems like projectile-based characters would have the edge on MK--why don't they?

^Sorry if I sound ignorant--it's cuz I am. I haven't played many MK's.. skilled or not.

none of my friends have smash bros. brawl but one, who can never play, and I dnt get online much.

If you said this to me in real life I'd break your neck. >:[



MK is why I switched from ROB. ROB always has to use his up+b to recover in an intelligent fashion, and once MK hears the jets... he up+bs because ROB can't air dodge.

 

[LUVTOY77-ROGUE WIREFRAME]

Hey uhhh.. I was just uh kidding about that, no need to get feisty :l

But I see what you mean..

So are any projectile users even half-way decent against MK?

 

[JonBeBonanza]

he up+bs because ROB can't air dodge.

One of my favorite moves with R.O.B is his upB. As for not being able to air dodge, after you initiate upB you can attack, after you attack you can air dodge. What i catch alot of people off guard with (edgeguarders, roller, and spot dodgers) is the bair. After i upB i usually either fair or bair. Bair propels you forward, which is how i use it 95% of the time. Adding this with your upB can/may hit said edgeguarder (a.k.a MK) as well as give you some horizontal distance.

And IF they ban mk, will you switch to johnny5 again?

 

[memphischains]

i love ankoku

overswarm is cute

da kid is my secret biffle

tenki gives me wet dreams

teh umby is my secret secret biffle

and ankoku is hawt

 

[Overswarm]

One of my favorite moves with R.O.B is his upB. As for not being able to air dodge, after you initiate upB you can attack, after you attack you can air dodge. What i catch alot of people off guard with (edgeguarders, roller, and spot dodgers) is the bair. After i upB i usually either fair or bair. Bair propels you forward, which is how i use it 95% of the time. Adding this with your upB can/may hit said edgeguarder (a.k.a MK) as well as give you some horizontal distance.

And IF they ban mk, will you switch to johnny5 again?

Did you seriously just try to inform me that you can do an attack out of ROB's up+B?

 

[JonBeBonanza]

Did you seriously just try to inform me that you can do an attack out of ROB's up+B?

In a nutshell, i know you know (you wrote that guide thing) but still you say it like your HELPLESS after an upB, and you're really not.

 

[DRaGZ]

One of my favorite moves with R.O.B is his upB. As for not being able to air dodge, after you initiate upB you can attack, after you attack you can air dodge. What i catch alot of people off guard with (edgeguarders, roller, and spot dodgers) is the bair. After i upB i usually either fair or bair. Bair propels you forward, which is how i use it 95% of the time. Adding this with your upB can/may hit said edgeguarder (a.k.a MK) as well as give you some horizontal distance.

And IF they ban mk, will you switch to johnny5 again?

Do you think we don't know this? MK's options off-stage >>>>> R.O.B.'s options off-stage.

 

[Ryusuta]

R.O.B.'s aerials aren't going to do jack to protect him against Meta.

 

[Overswarm]

In a nutshell, i know you know (you wrote that guide thing) but still you say it like your HELPLESS after an upB, and you're really not.

Yes. Yes you are.


This isn't me using up+b from far off and then being hunky dory.

This is me using up+b anywhere, and the moment the jet sound starts MK just uses his up+b to knock me out. He then floats back to teh stage to repeat.

I can up+b early, but then MK just waits for the aerial, then up+bs out of the lag. They all have lag.

I could up+b really really high and recovery like Snake does... except that uses all my fuel so I only get one shot. ROB falls slower than Snake and has a huge blind spot below and behind him. Regardless, even Snake doesn't generally recovery successfully this way... he normally just takes hits until MK screws up.


About the only thing you can do is jump, up+b, rising bair, repeat until you can drift to teh stage... but if MK hits you once after you are doing this, you're dead. This situation occurs every time MK knocks you off the stage.

You are helpless.

 

[Steeler]

in other words, mk's gimp game is ********.

 

[Ryusuta]

That's putting it succinctly.

 

[JonBeBonanza]

Ok ok i see what you're saying, and the solution to all this is banning mk?

 

[Ryusuta]

I still don't believe so, but that's the way things are looking, yes.

 

[JonBeBonanza]

I KNOW there's a way around it, we're just not thinking hard enough. And it doesn't help that OS, who seems to be a big part in bringing down mk, is maining mk.

BTW are you winning more since your conversion?

 

[da K.I.D.]

Hey uhhh.. I was just uh kidding about that, no need to get feisty :l

But I see what you mean..

So are any projectile users even half-way decent against MK?

since you admit that you dont know all that much ill be nice ot you, since a certain purple named somebody wont.

Projectile users dont fare well against MK because of a few reasons
1. hes small and therefore hard to hit with said projectiles.
2. hes, im pretty sure, the 4th fastest character in the game, below sonic, CF, and fox. so if he is getting hit from a distance he can close the gap very quickly.
2a. his dash attack and dash grab also propel him faster than his actual dash, and that helps when you need speed to get into your best range.
3. he can avoid linear, more laggy projectiles, like waddle dees, by gliding.
4. his tornado is uneffected by many projectiles

and I do believe that OS is winning more these days.


and for the record, basically in order to beat MK theres only 2 things we can do now
1. play every character that has a slight chance against him and hope that the player doesnt know the matchup, or
2. play Mk

guess which one is easier

 

[bigman40]

lol wow...Ever since I left this thread, it's become an argument on whther Yoshi is trash while getting everyone to agree to ban metaknight...

 

[Overswarm]

I KNOW there's a way around it, we're just not thinking hard enough. And it doesn't help that OS, who seems to be a big part in bringing down mk, is maining mk.

BTW are you winning more since your conversion?

Had a smashfest today. I lost a grand total of one set... and maybe 5 games total. We played from 4 to almost 11.

 

[Espy Rose]

I KNOW there's a way around it, we're just not thinking hard enough. And it doesn't help that OS, who seems to be a big part in bringing down mk, is maining mk.

BTW are you winning more since your conversion?

There is a way around it:

Ban MK.

 

[Ryusuta]

(I wish I could play OS's MK...)

 

[Overswarm]

(I wish I could play OS's MK...)

Come to the tournament in MI on Nov. 8th or the circuit event after that.

If MK isn't banned by January, I'm just not going to play Brawl anymore, so you won't get that chance again!

 

[LUVTOY77-ROGUE WIREFRAME]

since you admit that you dont know all that much ill be nice ot you, since a certain purple named somebody wont.

Projectile users dont fare well against MK because of a few reasons
1. hes small and therefore hard to hit with said projectiles.
2. hes, im pretty sure, the 4th fastest character in the game, below sonic, CF, and fox. so if he is getting hit from a distance he can close the gap very quickly.
2a. his dash attack and dash grab also propel him faster than his actual dash, and that helps when you need speed to get into your best range.
3. he can avoid linear, more laggy projectiles, like waddle dees, by gliding.
4. his tornado is uneffected by many projectiles

and I do believe that OS is winning more these days.


and for the record, basically in order to beat MK theres only 2 things we can do now
1. play every character that has a slight chance against him and hope that the player doesnt know the matchup, or
2. play Mk

guess which one is easier

thankyah for the kindness

Stupid masked blue Kirby....

His regular smashes--do they have priority over most projectiles as well?
I'm guessing they do.