I’m going to start this out briefly. I’m just going to copy paste a post I did just recently and delve a bit further.
What is this topic for? Not where MARTH or any other character is currently placed. In my opinion at this level of the metagame Marth is at a reasonably accurate spot. Where he is currently located is nothing to scoff at. We should be discussing on how to improve his position.
Let me start things off.
Here's the 'official' tier list up until Marth.
This character is known as Meta Knight. And there's really nothing we can do about it except continually evolving our metagame (and perhaps finding some super awesome technique) that will change this. I think this fact leads us to be below the 'rest' above us due to those characters having BETTER matchups with METAKNIGHT.
But what are we to complain? We're TOP of High Tier. A very respectable place with a lot of time on our hands to grow. I'd say without metaknight, Marth would most likely be in-between D3 and G&W. Just realise that the gap between character potential is not exceedingly large between where Marth is and many of those above him.
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Now what is going to make us go higher? Taking those EVEN matchups we have with higher tier characters and pushing it further into our favour. Is it possible? Let’s hope we can work something out before the other side does.
I’m now going to list my subjective opinion of all the characters below Marth that I believe is problematic for us. Marth needs to have his even matchups pushed more into his favour. Here’s the direction we need to move in. I’m listing all those in our same tier bracket and those below who are troublesome for us.
- Wario is not a huge problem for us. We do have grab release related things to tip us in our favour. The biggest issue with him is his super armour attacks. Marth has issues with these in my opinion.
- Lucario is probably around even with us or below. I don’t see him as a huge threat.
- donkey kong - DK has things that work against us. DK is a problematic character for me on numerous occasions. His many super armour attacks really do give huge issues. This match up I believe is potentially in dk’s favour. I think some or many would agree.
- diddy - diddy as a character is most likely below us. But with the use of bananas is a very large threat. He has the potential to even the match up or beat us. But right now he’s not a major issue.
- pikachu is not discussed. I’m under the opinion we don’t have problems with him as we can di out of his moves and swat his electric attacks. As well as having superior aerial priority.
- ice climbers - potential problems for everyone. But they just don’t have what it takes to beat an experienced Marth, so they should not be a threat to us.
- Kirby is not discussed much either. However, I think the matchup is potentially even or in Marth’s favour.
- Pit is not an issue at this time.
- Wolf shares invincibility frame attacks like we do, except his can’t really be punished with mistakes. Wolf can out camp us and I think is our biggest threat character in our same tier area. He definitely feels anti-Marth and many believe him to be anti-Snake as well. I’d say this is potentially in Wolf’s favour.
Middle;
- Zelda/Sheik - Zelda is not so flashy but can put a bee in our bonnet. I’m not certain of the match up. Sheik is seen to have the advantage in melee; and I have had issues with sheik players before. I think the matchup is around even for both, but I’m very open.
Low - PKMN trainer is three in one and as a whole is not advantageous against us. However Charizard has high damaging attacks with super armour that is comparable with DK, who I can gauge as potentially favourable in the match up, hence why I feel the trainer can also give us issues.
We as a community need to prove we can outclass all of the above to really push ourselves into the top tier. Are you manly enough to do it?
What is this topic for? Not where MARTH or any other character is currently placed. In my opinion at this level of the metagame Marth is at a reasonably accurate spot. Where he is currently located is nothing to scoff at. We should be discussing on how to improve his position.
Let me start things off.
Here's the 'official' tier list up until Marth.
Now as the Marth boards we have pretty much discussed all of those 'above' match ups in some space or form. We are definitely under the opinion we are EVEN or SUPERIOR in the match up compared to all those characters bar ONE.
This character is known as Meta Knight. And there's really nothing we can do about it except continually evolving our metagame (and perhaps finding some super awesome technique) that will change this. I think this fact leads us to be below the 'rest' above us due to those characters having BETTER matchups with METAKNIGHT.
But what are we to complain? We're TOP of High Tier. A very respectable place with a lot of time on our hands to grow. I'd say without metaknight, Marth would most likely be in-between D3 and G&W. Just realise that the gap between character potential is not exceedingly large between where Marth is and many of those above him.
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(End of previous statement)
Now what is going to make us go higher? Taking those EVEN matchups we have with higher tier characters and pushing it further into our favour. Is it possible? Let’s hope we can work something out before the other side does.
I’m now going to list my subjective opinion of all the characters below Marth that I believe is problematic for us. Marth needs to have his even matchups pushed more into his favour. Here’s the direction we need to move in. I’m listing all those in our same tier bracket and those below who are troublesome for us.
High:
- Wario is not a huge problem for us. We do have grab release related things to tip us in our favour. The biggest issue with him is his super armour attacks. Marth has issues with these in my opinion.
- Lucario is probably around even with us or below. I don’t see him as a huge threat.
- donkey kong - DK has things that work against us. DK is a problematic character for me on numerous occasions. His many super armour attacks really do give huge issues. This match up I believe is potentially in dk’s favour. I think some or many would agree.
- diddy - diddy as a character is most likely below us. But with the use of bananas is a very large threat. He has the potential to even the match up or beat us. But right now he’s not a major issue.
- pikachu is not discussed. I’m under the opinion we don’t have problems with him as we can di out of his moves and swat his electric attacks. As well as having superior aerial priority.
- ice climbers - potential problems for everyone. But they just don’t have what it takes to beat an experienced Marth, so they should not be a threat to us.
- Kirby is not discussed much either. However, I think the matchup is potentially even or in Marth’s favour.
- Pit is not an issue at this time.
- Wolf shares invincibility frame attacks like we do, except his can’t really be punished with mistakes. Wolf can out camp us and I think is our biggest threat character in our same tier area. He definitely feels anti-Marth and many believe him to be anti-Snake as well. I’d say this is potentially in Wolf’s favour.
Middle;
- Zelda/Sheik - Zelda is not so flashy but can put a bee in our bonnet. I’m not certain of the match up. Sheik is seen to have the advantage in melee; and I have had issues with sheik players before. I think the matchup is around even for both, but I’m very open.
Low - PKMN trainer is three in one and as a whole is not advantageous against us. However Charizard has high damaging attacks with super armour that is comparable with DK, who I can gauge as potentially favourable in the match up, hence why I feel the trainer can also give us issues.
We as a community need to prove we can outclass all of the above to really push ourselves into the top tier. Are you manly enough to do it?
