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I know you were. I'm just stating my thoughts on Ike.
True, but I recall Pride and M2K used to play regularly (I think, might be someone else) before Pride quit brawl, and they usually had close sets. Plus I think anyone who is professional should know by know what Yoshi can and will do, no matter how underplayed he is.
Yes.
*bolding added
How do you figure, this was debated on a purely technical level by the boards, it wasn't something that tournaments were consistently showing (cause Yoshi is so underplayed...). They might be wrong, but it would be an issue of technical specifics, not an underplayed character having the surprise factor.
Quoted for truth.
Meh, I agree with you for the most part. IN GENERAL Snake has the advantage, definetly, I won't deny that. But at the pro level Metaknight always wins (M2K and DSF have developed playstyles that **** snake players). As far as potentialwise, if both players were as absolutely pro as possible, Metaknight would win every single time.
Donkey Kong should be that high, know why? All of his smashes come out fast, they can KO at really low percents, He's a heavy weight, all of his specials are extremely useful, and he does well in tournaments, Ike should stay where he is, Hes slow, has poor-ish? recovery, and is easily juggled around. Link does deserve to be higher up, His dair has extreme versatility, and his bombs are deadly, but his recovery is not that good.
Only on a n00b tier list would Ike be near Top tier.
lol, why should Ike be top tier? Or was that a joke?
Surprised? Everyone knew metaknight was gonna be at the top from the first month.
I think people were more surprised that MK wasn't in his own tier.
In low levels of play (aka where MKs jump into the ****) Snakes can easily eliminate MKs, it's the same for DK. But match-ups are in terms of the top levels of play, and at the top levels of play Snake is certainly NOT MK's toughest match-up by far.
Nah, it was Snake that everyone thought, then people started pointed out that MK was what was causing Snake to win, then people starting pointing out MK has the advantage in the match-up, and suddenly it was obvious MK was the one and only top tier.
Other fighting game communities do their tier lists in similar time frames. A Brawl tier list in 7 months is fine. Tier lists are supposed to evolve with the meta game. A tier list that reflects the current meta game is a good start.
The metagame is still evolving. This is the metagame in its current state.
Which, if I may say, is completely underdeveloped, it'd be a shame if this is its tops.
Which was my point...
If that were true Metaknight would be in his own tier and Sonic would not be so low.
Bias anyone? Who do you think doesn't deserve to be above Sonic (inb4Bowser)
Nobody. Sonic deserves to be lower than Falcon IMO. He's just bad. No kill moves, no priority, light, and no projectiles. The only thing he has going for him is speed, and speed alone a high-tier character does not make.
Lack of information causes you to develop an incorrect bias.
You only say this because you are a Sonic main. It's a common truth that the character you main is should be higher tier in your eyes. I am the same way with Kirby.
Wow. Lower than Falcon? Falcon have totally no combo ability while Sonic seems to have some. And even if he lacks killing power, Sonic deserves very well to be higher than Falcon. He is the trash character of brawl.
Sonic is horrible. And maybe I DID overstretch a bit by saying Falcon, I still think Sonic is utter garbage.
Not lower then Falcon but possibly lower then characters like link.
Bowser King
He's primarily a gimper, but he has downsmash, upsmash, fsmash, dair, and (I believe) bair.
